OV Pic of the Day: Matt Holliday is a Cobra Kai

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Sweep the leg!

PoD_7-30-11

I understand the play was technically legal because he could reach the bag, but look at where he started his slide and notice he is also throwing an elbow at Starlin’s ribs.

They should absolutely drill him in his fucking ear. If LaRussa wants to retaliate, let him.  The Cubs have absolutely nothing to lose.


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  1. binky

    I’ve always hated Matt Holliday. He’s every asshole baseball player I’ve ever met combined (not to say there aren’t some that are good guys).

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  2. Rice Cube

    This should have been followed by a Ryno/GBTS-gif of Miyagi coming by to do the Japanese-rub on Starlin’s leg.

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  3. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]You know what else is admirable? Selflessly sacrificing your personal goals so the team can improve.[/quote]Keeping his ginger ass out of other people’s business would also be admirable.

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  4. ACT

    I understand the play was technically legal because he could reach the bag, but look at where he started his slide and notice he is also throwing an elbow at Starlin’s ribs.

    Does anyone know the exact wording of the rule? Maybe I should stop being lazy and look it up myself…

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  5. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]I’ve always hated Matt Holliday. He’s every asshole baseball player I’ve ever met combined (not to say there aren’t some that are good guys).[/quote]I don’t know much about him, but that slide is an abomination, but I expect nothing less from a Larussa-led team.

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  6. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Keeping his ginger ass out of other people’s business would also be admirable.[/quote]

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  7. Rice Cube

    Holliday did this either in 2009 or 2010 when trying to take out Theriot. That time he was so far out of the baseline that they called him out and awarded a double play to the Cubs despite Theriot’s wayward throw.

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  8. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    They should absolutely drill him in his fucking ear. If LaRussa wants to retaliate, let him. The Cubs have absolutely nothing to lose.

    +1, rec’d, LSA, bologna and cole slaw sandwiches

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  9. shadasrevenge

    My thoughts exactly. It’s one thing to get your ass kicked, it’s another thing entirely to sit down and take it like this team has over the past two days. The time to do it was in his next AB, but instead Russell walked him and then gave up a homer.

    I don’t give a damn who does it, or how long the suspension is. I don’t care if Pena sucker punches him at 1st base. Someone grow a sack.

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  10. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I don’t know much about him, but that slide is an abomination, but I expect nothing less from a Larussa-led team.[/quote]I don’t know him either. Maybe he’s a real nice guy in real life. I’d probably be ashamed of myself for my swears after meeting his kids or whatever. It’s irrational, but I just don’t like him.

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  11. Berselius

    They should absolutely drill him in his fucking ear. If LaRussa wants to retaliate, let him. The Cubs have absolutely nothing to lose.

    +1 LSA Rec’d NAMBLA

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  12. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]I don’t know him either. Maybe he’s a real nice guy in real life. I’d probably be ashamed of myself for my swears after meeting his kids or whatever. It’s irrational, but I just don’t like him.[/quote]
    He’s bald, so maybe you don’t like him because he looks like Lex Luthor and by association must be evil.

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  13. binky

    [quote name=shadasrevenge]My thoughts exactly. It’s one thing to get your ass kicked, it’s another thing entirely to sit down and take it like this team has over the past two days. The time to do it was in his next AB, but instead Russell walked him and then gave up a homer.

    I don’t give a damn who does it, or how long the suspension is. I don’t care if Pena sucker punches him at 1st base. Someone grow a sack.[/quote]Does anyone on this team seem like they care? Besides Dempster, of course. He cares.

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  14. shadasrevenge

    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]+1, rec’d, LSA, bologna and cole slaw sandwiches[/quote]
    Only if the bologna sandwiches come in wax paper.

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  15. mb21

    I understand the play was technically legal because he could reach the bag, but look at where he started his slide and notice he is also throwing an elbow at Starlin’s ribs.

    I went over this on The Book Blog with Tango a lot, but put yourself in Holliday’s position right there. The elbow up is a natural act to protect oneself from injury. It’s the same thing we see with home plate collisions. The runner goes at the catcher like a defensive back making a tackle because it’s the position in which will cause the least amount of injury.

    I think Holliday needlessly went in too high, but I don’t think it was a dirty play.

    As for hitting him at the plate, the best way to handle it in my opinion is to wait until Holliday is headed to 2nd on a similar play tomorrow, next series or next year and when turning the double play throw it right at his face.

    Wasn’t it Jeter who went in standing to 2nd a few years ago and the SS just threw it right at his face and it hit him? Or was it Jeter who threw it? I’m pretty sure Jeter was involved.

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  16. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]He’s bald, so maybe you don’t like him because he looks like Lex Luthor and by association must be evil.[/quote]I don’t know. I’m neutral toward Quade. I’m leaning toward just hating anything associated with Tony LaRussa.

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  17. binky

    [quote name=mb21]I went over this on The Book Blog with Tango a lot, but put yourself in Holliday’s position right there. The elbow up is a natural act to protect oneself from injury. It’s the same thing we see with home plate collisions. The runner goes at the catcher like a defensive back making a tackle because it’s the position in which will cause the least amount of injury.

    I think Holliday needlessly went in too high, but I don’t think it was a dirty play.

    As for hitting him at the plate, the best way to handle it in my opinion is to wait until Holliday is headed to 2nd on a similar play tomorrow, next series or next year and when turning the double play throw it right at his face.

    Wasn’t it Jeter who went in standing to 2nd a few years ago and the SS just threw it right at his face and it hit him? Or was it Jeter who threw it? I’m pretty sure Jeter was involved.[/quote]I hope Jeter got hit right in his smug face.

    Jesus, I think I’ve had too much Cubs for one day. They should really stop broadcasting on FOX. Tim McCarver really fucking pisses me off.

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  18. binky

    [quote name=mb21]Too bad the Pirates suck.[/quote]Not anymore!

    Speaking of Lyle Overbay, I remember Dave Kaplan or Jim Memelo pushing for Overbay. One was really big on Overbay, the other on Dunn. So, I’m just saying, that maybe Jim Hendry isn’t as completely stupid as he sometimes seems.

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  19. mb21

    [quote name=ACT]Does anyone know the exact wording of the rule? Maybe I should stop being lazy and look it up myself…[/quote]I don’t believe there is any rule that specifies how a runner can or cannot slide into a base. The touching the bag with your hand is used because in order for the runner to be called out, or for it to be illegal, he must be out of the basepath. At the point of the bag that would be far enough way that you could not touch it.

    so technically, Holliday was not out of the basepath and there is no rule regarding taking a fielder out. What he did was well within the rules of the game.

    There is no obstruction because the double play cannot be assumed, but players generally don’t slide like Holliday did. I think he realized too late that he needed to slide.

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  20. binky

    I don’t see how the Cubs improve except by really rebuilding their minor leagues and signing a big name free agent. No one wants our crappy aged veterans. they have no clout, no one to trade, nothing that looks good right now. When they win the series next year, it’s going to feel soooooo sweet.

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  21. mb21

    424, I’m surprised you didn’t seize on that play as being yet another excuse as to why they lost. We can now add hard slide into 2nd base while SS forgets ball is still in play to the list of excuses.

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  22. binky

    [quote name=mb21]
    There is no obstruction because the double play cannot be assumed, but players generally don’t slide like Holliday did. I think he realized too late that he needed to slide.[/quote]Or, he fully realized that a big gorilla running at Castro would be a visual block, and a last-minute slide would be a body tackle to take out the short stop and allow Pujols to score. I saw the play and the replay, but not what happened after. Why the hell didn’t Castro throw home?

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  23. shadasrevenge

    In the still shot above, it looks like Holliday is already past the bag. By the time he lands and perhaps reaches back to tag the bag, he won’t be able to reach it.

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  24. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Or, he fully realized that a big gorilla running at Castro would be a visual block, and a last-minute slide would be a body tackle to take out the short stop and allow Pujols to score. I saw the play and the replay, but not what happened after. Why the hell didn’t Castro throw home?[/quote]
    Castro was Albert Belle’d…but Holliday had the decency to slide instead of flat out clotheslining Starlin.

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  25. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Castro was Albert Belle’d…but Holliday had the decency to slide instead of flat out clotheslining Starlin.[/quote]It was the cleanest dirty slide ever. I mean it was clean, but Holliday knew what he was doing. Maybe give Castro another couple years of experience and he anticipates that kind of a move better.

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  26. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]It was the cleanest dirty slide ever. I mean it was clean, but Holliday knew what he was doing. Maybe give Castro another couple years of experience and he anticipates that kind of a move better.[/quote]
    I think I was happy that he held on to the ball, but was also surprised that he didn’t get up right away. After thinking about it, he landed pretty hard and probably was disoriented. He was kind of in no-man’s land since Barney had run off to back up 1B so nobody could help him.

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  27. binky

    According to the Rockies announcer guys, the Ubaldo trade is official official. The docs cleared him already, I guess.

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  28. binky

    [quote name=GBTS]http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17486581

    That ———-> Crushed.[/quote]he’s got one of the weirdest swings. It’s amazing he can do anything but hit homeruns and strike out.

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  29. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ZappBrannigan]http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17487557

    You can see Kosuke in the pile with a big cheesy grin. I’d be smiling too if I escaped the stankfest that is the 2011 Chicago Cubs[/quote]
    Kosuke hit the sac fly that tied the game, although he could have won the game with a base hit. Guess it didn’t matter after all.

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  30. ZappBrannigan

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Kosuke hit the sac fly that tied the game, although he could have won the game with a base hit. Guess it didn’t matter after all.[/quote]
    Yeah. I’m hoping the Indians can make a nice run. Would be nice to see Kosuke make the playoffs. That goes with any other Cub that is lucky enough to get traded to a team that isn’t as awful and actually has a chance of winning something.

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  31. binky

    [quote name=ZappBrannigan]Yeah. I’m hoping the Indians can make a nice run. Would be nice to see Kosuke make the playoffs. That goes with any other Cub that is lucky enough to get traded to a team that isn’t as awful and actually has a chance of winning something.[/quote]I agree. Go Kosuke. I’ve been pulling for the Indians. They aren’t perfect, but that’s part of their charm.

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  32. GBTS

    Al, how do you explain the teams play last September?? Mind Boggling!!!!!

    by muffman on Jul 30, 2011 10:32 PM CDT reply

    (dying laughing)

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  33. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]They won 6-3 in the 11th.[/quote]
    I remembered the Holliday slide a lot more than the end result of the game.

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  34. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I remembered the Holliday slide a lot more than the end result of the game.[/quote]To be fair, that one was way more flagrant. Holiday learned from his past mistakes. Often, apes in the wild are observed learning from incidents that happened years ago. Diane Fossey wrote an interesting paper on it. Not unprecedented.

    Side note: who was playing second in that clip?

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  35. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]To be fair, that one was way more flagrant. Holiday learned from his past mistakes. Often, apes in the wild are observed learning from incidents that happened years ago. Diane Fossey wrote an interesting paper on it. Not unprecedented.

    Side note: who was playing second in that clip?[/quote]
    I assumed it was Jeff Baker.

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  36. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I assumed it was Jeff Baker.[/quote]Guy looked brown to me. I think it’s that guy they had briefly who is now with Texas, maybe. Can’t remember his name.

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  37. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Guy looked brown to me. I think it’s that guy they had briefly who is now with Texas, maybe. Can’t remember his name.[/quote]
    Andres Blanco. Possible.

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  38. ACT

    Derrek Lee was traded to Pittsburgh for minor league first-baseman Aaron Baker. I don’t know much about him other than that his hitting numbers are decent, but he’s 25 and playing in an A+ league.

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  39. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Andres Blanco. Possible.[/quote]That has to be 2009 at the earliest. I saw Ankiel in that clip.

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  40. binky

    I like the Indians, but I wonder if they’ll ever change to a less racist logo. The Indian caricature painted bright red is a little painful.

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  41. ACT

    [quote name=josh]I like the Indians, but I wonder if they’ll ever change to a less racist logo. The Indian caricature painted bright red is a little painful.[/quote]Absolutely. I find it hard to root for a team whose team mascot is “Chief Wahoo.”

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  42. ZappBrannigan

    [quote name=ACT]Absolutely. I find it hard to root for a team whose team mascot is “Chief Wahoo.”[/quote]
    Ever read “1491”? Fantastic book. Also completely unrelated to baseball.

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  43. binky

    [quote name=ZappBrannigan]Ever read “1491”? Fantastic book. Also completely unrelated to baseball.[/quote]Haven’t read it, but I’ve heard some of the theories. I live in Champaign, so I still see a lot of “Save the Chief” Bumper stickers. Dudes, let it go.

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  44. ZappBrannigan

    [quote name=josh]I’m going to have to check that book out.[/quote]
    It’s a pretty convincing thesis- a nice synthesis of years of academic study over a variety of different fields regarding Native Americans. It really helped me put some pieces together as far as connecting how antiquated a lot of American and European thought still is about native peoples in the Americas.

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  45. Aisle424

    As for hitting him at the plate, the best way to handle it in my opinion is to wait until Holliday is headed to 2nd on a similar play tomorrow, next series or next year and when turning the double play throw it right at his face.

    This would be a perfectly acceptable alternative. As long as they make clear that they aren’t going to be his bitch-boys that he can spike and elbow at will.

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  46. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]424, I’m surprised you didn’t seize on that play as being yet another excuse as to why they lost. We can now add hard slide into 2nd base while SS forgets ball is still in play to the list of excuses.[/quote]
    The excuses just keep piling up. The weather was also pretty hot and we’re still missing Marcos Mateo due to injury.

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  47. ZappBrannigan

    [quote name=Aisle424]This would be a perfectly acceptable alternative. As long as they make clear that they aren’t going to be his bitch-boys that he can spike and elbow at will.[/quote]
    I really hate retaliation… 90% of the time I’d say it’s dangerous and completely ineffective. This circumstance is one of the few I’d advocate for it… do it clean, and send a clear message. Castro has had enough shit this year, getting shat on by Quade, you’d hate to see the club not stand up for him on a play like this. Bean Holliday hard with a fastball and see if it happens again to Castro… nope.

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  48. Suburban kid

    I think the reason Pena isn’t being traded is because if they did that they would have no one to play first. Colvin can’t do it now, and while Baker is OK for a game or two, they probably think they can’t play him there for two full months. If Pena has as little trade value as MB suggests, then it makes sense to leave him there just to cover the position for the rest of the year.

    Cubs are awesome.

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  49. mb21

    [quote name=Aisle424]The excuses just keep piling up. The weather was also pretty hot and we’re still missing Marcos Mateo due to injury.[/quote]If the Cubs get him back soon they still have a shot. Marco Mateo is the kind of game changing middle reliever that teams dream of.

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  50. mb21

    [quote name=ZappBrannigan]I really hate retaliation… 90% of the time I’d say it’s dangerous and completely ineffective. This circumstance is one of the few I’d advocate for it… do it clean, and send a clear message. Castro has had enough shit this year, getting shat on by Quade, you’d hate to see the club not stand up for him on a play like this. Bean Holliday hard with a fastball and see if it happens again to Castro… nope.[/quote]I’m not a fan of retaliation either and I think hitting Holliday at the plate is a perfect example that. however, when he’s headed to 2nd on a potential double play his face is right in front of first so throw it right there. The closeness of him to that ball is going to send shockwaves through his system and he’ll learn not to do that shit.

    But if you insist on hitting a batter, hit Albert Pujols. Hitting Holliday lets him off too easy in my opinion. Throw a few up around Pujols’ head and let Albert talk to Holliday about it.

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  51. mb21

    Hitting Holliday lets him off too easy in my opinion.

    That’s coming from someone who didn’t think the play was dirty. He was clearly out of the baseline in 2009, but not this time.

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  52. mb21

    [quote name=Suburban kid]I think the reason Pena isn’t being traded is because if they did that they would have no one to play first. Colvin can’t do it now, and while Baker is OK for a game or two, they probably think they can’t play him there for two full months. If Pena has as little trade value as MB suggests, then it makes sense to leave him there just to cover the position for the rest of the year.

    Cubs are awesome.[/quote]Agreed. As easy as it is to say the Cubs should trade everyone and call up anyone to replace them, it’s not how any MLB team operates. As for Pena’s trade value, we saw what the Pirates got for Lee and Pena is only slightly better at this point in their careers. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Pirates offered the Cubs the same thing they gave up for Lee.

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  53. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]Agreed. As easy as it is to say the Cubs should trade everyone and call up anyone to replace them, it’s not how any MLB team operates. As for Pena’s trade value, we saw what the Pirates got for Lee and Pena is only slightly better at this point in their careers. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Pirates offered the Cubs the same thing they gave up for Lee.[/quote]
    The Astros are pretty much clearing the decks of anybody they can trade. Granted Bourn and Pence bring more in return than Pena, but it’s more of an endictment that the Cubs won’t even listen to deals involving Marshall or Marmol or Soto.

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  54. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=Aisle424]The Astros are pretty much clearing the decks of anybody they can trade. Granted Bourn and Pence bring more in return than Pena, but it’s more of an endictment that the Cubs won’t even listen to deals involving Marshall or Marmol or Soto.[/quote]

    Looks like Bourn just got traded to ATL. I was surprised to see that he is well on his way to a 3rd straight 4+WAR season. I hope he helps ATL.

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  55. binky

    [quote name=mb21]Agreed. As easy as it is to say the Cubs should trade everyone and call up anyone to replace them, it’s not how any MLB team operates. As for Pena’s trade value, we saw what the Pirates got for Lee and Pena is only slightly better at this point in their careers. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Pirates offered the Cubs the same thing they gave up for Lee.[/quote]Exactly what I was thinking. Plus, why water down the minors further with nobodies?

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  56. bubblesdachimp

    Bubbles is finished with seasons 1 &2 of breaking bad +episode 1 season 3

    Will be caught up by next sunday

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  57. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]If the Cubs get him back soon they still have a shot. Marco Mateo is the kind of game changing middle reliever that teams dream of.[/quote]
    They need to contact LAA. I think I saw something on MLBTR yesterday saying they were looking for a 6th-7th inning type pitcher (dying laughing)

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  58. mb22

    [quote name=Aisle424]The Astros are pretty much clearing the decks of anybody they can trade. Granted Bourn and Pence bring more in return than Pena, but it’s more of an endictment that the Cubs won’t even listen to deals involving Marshall or Marmol or Soto.[/quote]The difference is that the Cubs are going to try to contend next year while the Astros aren’t. I’m not saying it’s the best idea I’ve ever heard. I don’t think it is, but the decisions have be viewed from the perspective of what the teams are trying to accomplish. We can debate all day whether or not they should try to do that. I was for it after 2009. I saw no reason for the team to try to contend in 2010 and even last offseason they could have traded a few guys. As it is now, though, the only player the Cubs have who has top prospect value is Starlin Castro and you’re not going to trade him.

    Soto is way too inconsistent for any team to give up much to acquire. Carlos Marmol is similar and he’s making close to what he’s worth anyway so he has little value beyond what he’s being paid. Sean Marshall, among the relievers, easily has the most value. Matt Garza has a lot of value. Garza and Marshall are really the only two players who have much value in a trade.

    I never got the trade value pieces done, but a somewhat educated guess on the order of the Cubs in value is something like this: Castro, Garza, Soto (if teams think he’s as good as his projections; if not, he’s much lower), Marshall, Byrd, Ramirez, Marmol, Pena and so on.

    Byrd’s surplus trade value is probably about $2-3 million. Marshall’s is probably a tough higher.

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  59. jherky

    In regards to Holliday trying to sweep the legs, I’ve always wanted to see the shortstop/2nd baseman just shove a knee into the baserunner’s groin or stomach when they “fell down.” This would have been a perfect opportunity.

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  60. mb22

    If there’s one thing that really does irritate me about the deadline with regards to the Cubs it’s that they don’t appear to have any interest in trading Marshall. That makes little sense to me. I could understand it if you planned to move Marmol so he could take over the closer’s role, but he has some decent value and teams have a tendency to overpay for relievers. Even if the Cubs wanted to contend next year they should look into dealing Marshall (or Marmol). Marshall would bring more in a trade so I’d go with that. The other players just don’t have enough value for me to get upset. The time for a complete rebuild was after 2009. Doing it now accomplishes little. They wouldn’t be better off in the minors and they wouldn’t have a better chance to contend in 5 years than they do now.

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  61. Mercurial Outfielder

    I can’t wait until Candy Maldonado and Rodney Myers get here next season. Once the Feliz Heredia deal is complete and Les Lancaster is healthy, this team should contend.

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  62. Berselius

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I can’t wait until Candy Maldonado and Rodney Myers get here next season. Once the Feliz Heredia deal is complete and Les Lancaster is healthy, this team should contend.[/quote]
    I need a new Kevin Tapani type to root for. Also, I hear Matt Stairs is available.

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  63. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Berselius]I need a new Kevin Tapani type to root for. Also, I hear Matt Stairs is available.[/quote]Mike Bielecki will be the key to the rotation.

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  64. Berselius

    (dying laughing), George Ofman just tweeted that the Rangers tried to deal for Marmol but the Cubs said they weren’t interested.

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  65. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Berselius](dying laughing), George Ofman just tweeted that the Rangers tried to deal for Marmol but the Cubs said they weren’t interested.[/quote]Hey, we’re trying to win games here.

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  66. GBTS

    [quote name=Berselius](dying laughing), George Ofman just tweeted that the Rangers tried to deal for Marmol but the Cubs said they weren’t interested.[/quote]

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  67. ZappBrannigan

    I really like that Bourn trade for Atlanta. Shaffer had struggled pretty hard against major league pitching so far and Bourn seems completely legit. 5th in the NL in WAR so far this year, plus young and pretty well cost controlled. Great move for the Braves.

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  68. bubblesdachimp

    He’s an upgrade primarily because St. Louis had no one who profiled as even a fringe-average regular at the position — Tyler Greene can play it but can’t hit, Daniel Descalso can hit but can’t play it and Ryan Theriot can’t do anything but make stupid outs on the basepaths. It will probably save the Cardinals a few runs over the rest of the season, maybe enough between the glove and bat to add up to another win.

    From Keith Law.

    (dying laughing)
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    [quote name=Rice Cube]Houston is having a true fire sale it seems.[/quote]Not that it’s a bad idea, but it’s going to be interesting seeing how the team does the rest of the season. If you thought they were horrible before…

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    [quote name=ACT]Not that it’s a bad idea, but it’s going to be interesting seeing how the team does the rest of the season. If you thought they were horrible before…[/quote]
    Goodbye, #1 pick *sniffles*

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    Astros lineup today

    1. Jose Altuve, 2B

    2. Clint Barmes, SS

    3. Jason Bourgeois, CF

    4. Carlos Lee, 1B

    5. Jason Michaels, RF

    6. J.D. Martinez, LF

    7. Chris Johnson, 3B

    8. Carlos Corporan, C

    9. Brett Myers, P

    (dying laughing). That’s how you lock down the #1 pick

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    I’m watching the game on mlb.tv (it’s the free game of the day). Amazingly, the Astros are almost beating the Brewers (they’re only down 2-0).

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    [quote name=ACT]Astros are tied![/quote]
    The Cubs might gain yet another game on #1 pick! (dying laughing)

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  74. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Jered Weaver ejected for throwing at someones head just after giving up a homer, meanwhile his team has been no-hit thru 7 by Verlander. I like a little WWF in my MLB.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Jered Weaver ejected for throwing at someones head just after giving up a homer, meanwhile his team has been no-hit thru 7 by Verlander. I like a little WWF in my MLB.[/quote](dying laughing) I just watched the video. Not even remotely subtle.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Jered Weaver ejected for throwing at someones head just after giving up a homer, meanwhile his team has been no-hit thru 7 by Verlander. I like a little WWF in my MLB.[/quote]Tony Larussa has already instructed his pitchers to throw at any LAA players.

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    Texas sends their #3 and #19 prospects for Adams.

    I’ve never really looked at Mike Adams stats closely, but wow. He’s better and cheaper than Bell.

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    Apparently TEX checked in on Marmol and Hendry said “not interested in discussing”. Given that the #3 and 19 prospects were possibly available, you;d have to be delusional not to at least discuss.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Apparently TEX checked in on Marmol and Hendry said “not interested in discussing”. Given that the #3 and 19 prospects were possibly available, you;d have to be delusional not to at least discuss.[/quote]Especially with Marshall here to step in this year, and Carpenter and possibly Cashner to step in next season. The Cubs behavior at the deadline is wholly inscrutable. It’s almost made me curious to see what happens this offseason.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Especially with Marshall here to step in this year, and Carpenter and possibly Cashner to step in next season. The Cubs behavior at the deadline is wholly inscrutable. It’s almost made me curious to see what happens this offseason.[/quote]

    I think I’m done following the Cubs closely if they don’t make changes at the top this offseason. It’s Ricketty’s 2nd year, and there are simply too many smart minds in the game to not hire one/some with the amount of resources the Cubs have. I’m not saying Hendry is awful either; but the Cubs have been so far behind on sabermetric valuations for so long, there’s no reason whatsoever that Ricketts couldn’t hire any slew of intelligent people, from Friedman to Ng, to Zrusnchemklcjsioeck whose contract is up.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]I think I’m done following the Cubs closely if they don’t make changes at the top this offseason. It’s Ricketty’s 2nd year, and there are simply too many smart minds in the game to not hire one/some with the amount of resources the Cubs have. I’m not saying Hendry is awful either; but the Cubs have been so far behind on sabermetric valuations for so long, there’s no reason whatsoever that Ricketts couldn’t hire any slew of intelligent people, from Friedman to Ng, to Zrusnchemklcjsioeck whose contract is up.[/quote]
    I think the bloom is off the rose for Jack Z right now, given how shitty the Mariners have been

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    [quote name=Berselius]I think the bloom is off the rose for Jack Z right now, given how shitty the Mariners have been[/quote]
    The bloom may be off the rose in the sense that his teams have sucked, but he built a team quickly on a philosophy of taking advantage of market inefficiencies. He’s continued to make stealthy acquisitions and signings, even the Fister deal was a win for him. I’d much prefer him to what the Cubs have in place now. He has some solid players to build around: Felix on a cheap extension, Ackley, Pineda, Guitierrez. Much better shape than the Cubs.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]I think I’m done following the Cubs closely if they don’t make changes at the top this offseason. It’s Ricketty’s 2nd year, and there are simply too many smart minds in the game to not hire one/some with the amount of resources the Cubs have. I’m not saying Hendry is awful either; but the Cubs have been so far behind on sabermetric valuations for so long, there’s no reason whatsoever that Ricketts couldn’t hire any slew of intelligent people, from Friedman to Ng, to Zrusnchemklcjsioeck whose contract is up.[/quote]If Ricketts puts a “stat guy” in the GM spot, it will be Ari Kaplan, so be careful what you wish for.

    I don’t foresee changes. Maybe Quade gets axed, but I feel that will be the extent of it. I’m convinced this club will become mroe and more like the Cubs of the 90’s. They wallow around the .500 mark most seasons, and maybe blunder themselves into the playoffs a couple times, a la 1989 and 1998. I think we’re in for a decade of sustained mediocrity. Nothing as bad as this year and nothing as good as 2008. Just a whole lot of false dawns and painfully ordinary baseball.

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    [quote name=mb22]I think Jack Z is good at drafting, ridiculously fucking bad at GM’ing.[/quote]
    Yes, this

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]The Cubs behavior at the deadline is wholly inscrutable. It’s almost made me want to stop being a fan and therefore never see what happens this offseason.[/quote]/SK’d

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Apparently TEX checked in on Marmol and Hendry said “not interested in discussing”. Given that the #3 and 19 prospects were possibly available, you;d have to be delusional not to at least discuss.[/quote]Adams is way more valuable than Marmol, although I read that the package would have been the same for Heath Bell, FWIW.

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    Adams is four years older than Marmol, but still under team control for another year. I guess when you have elite relievers who aren’t racking up saves, there’s no hurry to sign them to extensions.

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  88. Rice Cube

    Is there a way to switch from the desktop version back to the mobile version? I accidentally clicked “desktop” on my iPhone and now I can’t switch back. Thanks.

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  89. GBTS

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Is there a way to switch from the desktop version back to the mobile version? I accidentally clicked “desktop” on my iPhone and now I can’t switch back. Thanks.[/quote]

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  90. ACT

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I have to say that I’m disappointed that the Astros are going to lose today (dying laughing)[/quote]It would be great if they did what the Cubs did at the end of last season (after Nady took over 1B, Hill at C, and Coleman and Samadzija were getting starts).

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    The Braves sent two top 25 prospects for Bourn. I actually though he might fetch a top 10ish guy, he’s still has one more year of arb. Oh well, at least they were denied Marlon Byrd first. (dying laughing)

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  92. GBTS

    I’ve been looking at Cotts all afternoon, can someone who understands player service tell me why Starlin Castro is still arb eligible in 2016? I thought that because they called him up so early last season he would hit free agency that year.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]Is there a way to switch from the desktop version back to the mobile version? I accidentally clicked “desktop” on my iPhone and now I can’t switch back. Thanks.[/quote]
    That happened to me once. I think you can clear your Safari cache on the settings page. Look into cache and you’ll find your answer.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Apparently TEX checked in on Marmol and Hendry said “not interested in discussing”. Given that the #3 and 19 prospects were possibly available, you;d have to be delusional not to at least discuss.[/quote]That’s an organizational rank. That’s not the 3rd and 19th best prospects in baseball.

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  95. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb22]That happened to me once. I think you can clear your Safari cache on the settings page. Look into cache and you’ll find your answer.[/quote]
    Doesn’t seem to be working. I recall seeing a “switch back to mobile” button at some point but it’s not there. Not a big deal though, I’ll live, thanks.

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    [quote name=GBTS]The Braves sent two top 25 prospects for Bourn. I actually though he might fetch a top 10ish guy, he’s still has one more year of arb. Oh well, at least they were denied Marlon Byrd first. (dying laughing)[/quote]That kind of tells you what Aramis Ramirez is worth. Bourn has a year and a half left on his contract, has been worth about 10 more WAR over the last 3 years than Ramirez and he got only one guy in the Braves top 10? Bourn makes $4.4 million this year so there’s only about $1.5 million left this year plus about $6-8 million next year.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]Doesn’t seem to be working. I recall seeing a “switch back to mobile” button at some point but it’s not there. Not a big deal though, I’ll live, thanks.[/quote]I couldn’t find a switch back to mobile link when it happened to me. Clearing the cache solved the problem though.

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  98. GBTS

    [quote name=mb22]That kind of tells you what Aramis Ramirez is worth.[/quote]Every Cub player is priceless, actually. (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=GBTS]I’ve been looking at Cotts all afternoon, can someone who understands player service tell me why Starlin Castro is still arb eligible in 2016? I thought that because they called him up so early last season he would hit free agency that year.[/quote]You have to have 6 years of service time before you can file for free agency. Except for the super-2 players, you need 3 years of service time to be eligible for arbitration. Castro was called up in early May so he didn’t get a full year of service time last year. 172 days is a full year and there are 183 days in a season.

    He’s an auto-renewal player in 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. There’s a chance he’s a super 2 and eligible for arbitration in 2013. That will depend on other arb-eligible players. He’s then arb-eligible in 2014, 2015 and 2016. He’s eligible to file for free agency after 2016.

    This assumes he’s never optioned back to the minors at which point his service time clock stops.

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  100. GBTS

    Got it. Castro is listed as Arb 4 in 2016, wasn’t sure what that meant, since I know it’s three years for arb and six years for free agency.

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  101. GBTS

    [quote name=bubblesdachimp]You would think this team was heading toward 95 wins instead of 95 losses[/quote]They’re soaring like the Hindenburg.

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  102. Mercurial Outfielder

    Wow. Carlos Guillen is a royal crown asshole. No wonder Weaver went headhunting. If I was the guy that got thrown at, I’d have gone in the dugout and slapped Guillen in his stupid fucking gob.

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    [quote name=GBTS]Apparently Weaver was chirping all day, which prompted The Flip.[/quote]Hitting the HR was enough. Yapping afterwards is just being a shithead. I bet Leyland gave Guillen an earful.

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    [quote name=GBTS]Got it. Castro is listed as Arb 4 in 2016, wasn’t sure what that meant, since I know it’s three years for arb and six years for free agency.[/quote]They can’t know if he’s a super 2 and will have 4 years of arbitration yet. He’s a borderline candidate based on the recent past so it’s a decent assumption, but we won’t know until the end of next season whether or not he’s a super 2.

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  105. Berselius

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Doesn’t seem to be working. I recall seeing a “switch back to mobile” button at some point but it’s not there. Not a big deal though, I’ll live, thanks.[/quote]
    This happened to me last week and I remember seeing the mobile site link at the bottom of the page

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  106. mb22

    I just chose the Desktop version and then to get back I deleted the cache, browsing history and cookies and it works fine again.

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  107. Rice Cube

    Well, it’s about time to order some OVShop stuff…hope you guys still have that water bottle available!

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  108. Mercurial Outfielder

    Olin Kreutz ——–> not the Bears

    Smart move, methinks. Kreutz has not been the same since his ankle surgery. Solid player for a long time, but best not to invest money in a player who is only going to get worse, and with at least two other teams bidding for his services, was likely going to be expensive.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Olin Kreutz ——–> not the Bears

    Smart move, methinks. Kreutz has not been the same since his ankle surgery. Solid player for a long time, but best not to invest money in a player who is only going to get worse, and with at least two other teams bidding for his services, was likely going to be expensive.[/quote]
    Agreed. It sounds like the guy the Bears got from Seattle is a slight upgrade.

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  110. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Rice Cube]http://marlonbyrd.mlblogs.com/2011/07/31/731-thats-how-the-game-is-played/

    What do you think?[/quote]Eh. Marlon’s smart enough to not call out a fellow player.

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    I”m excited to see what the Packers offense can do next year with Grant and Finley back. I’m a little puzzled by re-signing Jones though. I guess he’s Driver’s heir apparent. I’m kind of surprised that Driver didn’t retire after getting a SB ring.

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    [quote name=Berselius]Agreed. It sounds like the guy the Bears got from Seattle is a slight upgrade.[/quote]Spencer has had some injury issues, but he’s a solid OL when healthy. Probably a bit worse as a pass blocker, but a better run blocker.

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    [quote name=Berselius]I”m excited to see what the Packers offense can do next year with Grant and Finley back. I’m a little puzzled by re-signing Jones though. I guess he’s Driver’s heir apparent. I’m kind of surprised that Driver didn’t retire after getting a SB ring.[/quote]It was already the best offense in the division, and any other team in the division would love to have Jones as their 3rd WR. I love GB’s personnel work.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It was already the best offense in the division, and any other team in the division would love to have Jones as their 3rd WR. I love GB’s personnel work.[/quote]
    He has a rep among Packers fans for dropping too many passes, but otherwise he’s good. I was surprised to see the news because I thought he had already signed with Minnesota earlier in the week.

    Apparently the Packers were going to let him go, but Rodgers and Driver lobbied TT to bring him back.

    I’m definitely worried about the o-line though – they lost Colledge from an already shaky line. You never know what you’ll get from Clifton’s ankle either.

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    [quote name=Berselius]He has a rep among Packers fans for dropping too many passes, but otherwise he’s good. I was surprised to see the news because I thought he had already signed with Minnesota earlier in the week.

    I’m definitely worried about the o-line though – they lost Colledge from an already shaky line. You never know what you’ll get from Clifton’s ankle either.[/quote]Yeah, that OL is a problem, but they’ve managed to scheme the offense to compensate.

    Jones does drop his share and he’s a fumbler, but he’s also blazing fast, big, and runs excellent routes. With all the slants and hitches GB runs, he’s exactly the kind of guy Rodgers needs in the slot.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]http://marlonbyrd.mlblogs.com/2011/07/31/731-thats-how-the-game-is-played/

    What do you think?[/quote]I tended to agree with Byrd in the first place so I’m glad he wrote that. I wish Sullivan would have published Ramirez’s comments, too, but he only wanted to tell the story of it being a dirty play and Ramirez said it was clean.

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    [quote name=mb21]I tended to agree with Byrd in the first place so I’m glad he wrote that. I wish Sullivan would have published Ramirez’s comments, too, but he only wanted to tell the story of it being a dirty play and Ramirez said it was clean.[/quote]
    Dirty or not, if you’re going to play the That’s The Way The Game Is Played card, the way the game is played is to drill Holliday or some other Cardinal. Just sayin.

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    [quote name=mb21]I tended to agree with Byrd in the first place so I’m glad he wrote that. I wish Sullivan would have published Ramirez’s comments, too, but he only wanted to tell the story of it being a dirty play and Ramirez said it was clean.[/quote]Did anyone else publish Ramirez’ full comment? I haven’t seen it anywhere.

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    Sounds like Hendry will be trying to do some waiver deals, but the comments here on Peña seem to confirm my worst fears, namely that Peña is being considered as an option for next year. This does not sound like a man who plans to be going after a premium FA next season: http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/6072

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  120. mb21

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Did anyone else publish Ramirez’ full comment? I haven’t seen it anywhere.[/quote]I haven’t seen it either.

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    [quote name=Berselius]Dirty or not, if you’re going to play the That’s The Way The Game Is Played card, the way the game is played is to drill Holliday or some other Cardinal. Just sayin.[/quote]That’s fine. I don’t really care either way. They could go tell Holliday to slide like that every single time he’s on base and I wouldn’t care. I won’t be watching the games anyway. (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]These fucking beat guys…[/quote]It doesn’t fit their story. I actually think Sullivan will have Ramirez’s quote tomorrow now that Byrd wrote a blog about it. Sad that it took a blog entry from a player, but that’s probably what it takes.

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    [quote name=GBTS]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/31/bernstein-bears-break-kreutz-addiction/

    (dying laughing)[/quote]That Bernstein column is spot-on.

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  124. GBTS

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]That Bernstein column is spot-on.[/quote]Money quote: “It never felt right that a shaky offensive line seemed so desperate to retain a mediocre center.”

    LSA. My feelings exactly.

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    [quote name=GBTS]Money quote: “It never felt right that a shaky offensive line seemed so desperate to retain a mediocre center.”

    LSA. My feelings exactly.[/quote]Yep. Same thing happened when they let Mike Brown go. Players pissed and moaned, and then the D ended up being better off not having to depend on him.

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  126. GBTS

    $50 says Dempster after the game talks about how honorable it was to strike out Matt Holliday instead of plunk him.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yep. Same thing happened when they let Mike Brown go. Players pissed and moaned, and then the D ended up being better off not having to depend on him.[/quote]What year did Brown leave? I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but my lying eyes tell me the Bears have been seriously weak at the safety position for years now.

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    [quote name=GBTS]What year did Brown leave? I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but my lying eyes tell me the Bears have been seriously weak at the safety position for years now.[/quote]2009. They’ve been spotty there for a while, but that was true when Brown was here, too. But much like Olin, fans and players regarded Brown as some sort of talisman, and the reasons for keeping him had nothing to do with football and everything to do with “leadership” and “toughness,” and other such nonsense. When I say the defense was better off for it, I think it got rid of the all-too-prevalent notion that the defense couldn’t succeed without Brown in the game.

    FWIW, with Harris back in his natural position and Wright at FS, I think the Bears will be solid at S.

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    (dying laughing)

    My brother, on the Paul McCartney concert: “The Cubs somehow manage to overcharge fans to come to Wrigley and watch aging performers past their prime when the team isn’t even in town.”

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  130. Rice Cube

    No arm brace or cast on Wainwright, wonder when he’ll be cleared to throw. Seems to have pretty good motion on that yawn though.

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    [quote name=GBTS](dying laughing)

    My brother, on the Paul McCartney concert: “The Cubs somehow manage to overcharge fans to come to Wrigley and watch aging performers past their prime when the team isn’t even in town.”[/quote]On a related note, Jim Hendry has announced that the Cubs will not be listening to offers for Paul McCartney.

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  132. Ryne Sandberg

    [quote name=GBTS]$50 says Dempster after the game talks about how honorable it was to strike out Matt Holliday instead of plunk him.[/quote]And he would be right.

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  133. binky

    [quote name=Ryne Sandberg]And he would be right.[/quote]The Ryne Sandberg I remember would have been old school and definitely behind a plunking.

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  134. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Ryne Sandberg]And he would be right.[/quote]The real Ryne Sandberg would have this as his profile pic:

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  135. GBTS

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]On a related note, Jim Hendry has announced that the Cubs will not be listening to offers for Paul McCartney.[/quote]He was offered two John Lennons and cash, but we’re trying to have a concert here.

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    [quote name=Berselius](dying laughing), I just noticed that Reed Fucking Johnson is leading off against a RHP.[/quote]Quaderiffic.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Quaderiffic.[/quote]They should have Soriano lead off. I mean, fuck it, this season is a wash, maybe he’ll get his numbers enough to get someone interested. He always hit better lead off.

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    [quote name=josh]They should have Soriano lead off. I mean, fuck it, this season is a wash, maybe he’ll get his numbers enough to get someone interested. He always hit better lead off.[/quote]It really doesn’t matter where you bat Soriano…or Reed, for that matter. but it does make Quade and Hendry look like lying sacks of shit for saying Colvin was brought up to play everyday and then you start Reed in RF in a game where Colvin would’ve had the platoon advantage.

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  139. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Wheels are coming off for Westbrook here.[/quote]At least I can semi-enjoy 1 out of 3 games still. That’s something.

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  140. GBTS

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Wheels are coming off for Westbrook here.[/quote]Did he reach ball 2 in an at bat?

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    [quote name=GBTS]Did he reach ball 2 in an at bat?[/quote]
    He walked Koyie Hill to start the rally and walked Pena to force in a run. I was rather disappointed, I really wanted to see a perfect game (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=GBTS]Did he reach ball 2 in an at bat?[/quote]He walked Peña and Ramirez.

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  143. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=GBTS]In case it wasn’t obvious, GBTS —-> smarter than the rest of us.[/quote]
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  144. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]Byrd hit the first pitch for a 2-run single. So you know, sometimes deep counts are overrated.[/quote]Ari Kaplan approves this message.

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    [quote name=josh]Byrd hit the first pitch for a 2-run single. So you know, sometimes deep counts are overrated.[/quote]
    Luckvariance smiles on Byrd tonight.

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  146. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Luckvariance smiles on Byrd tonight.[/quote]In general, it’s good to be able to work long counts, but it’s also good to be able to know when he’s going to throw his best pitch first. I think Byrd was looking fastball to shoot the other way and did it. Hitting isn’t ALL luck.

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  147. binky

    [quote name=GBTS]In case it wasn’t obvious, GBTS —-> not watching.[/quote]It’s a good game, so far. I’m trying to take it one game at a time and ignore the bigger picture for now. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Two months of baseball left, and even if they’d traded everyone, it wouldn’t matter until next year, I’ll take what good comes my way.

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  148. binky

    Why are there so many funny pictures of Berkman in the world. Is he just really free about his image or is there some kind of subculture obsessed with him?

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  149. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]Why are there so many funny pictures of Berkman in the world. Is he just really free about his image or is there some kind of subculture obsessed with him?[/quote]I think it’s just me. I’ve hated that fat fuck ever since he writhed around on the ground pretending to have been hit in the head, and then jumped right up and jogged to first when the ump awarded him the base.

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  150. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I think it’s just me. I’ve hated that fat fuck ever since he writhed around on the ground pretending to have been hit in the head, and then jumped right up and jogged to first when the ump awarded him the base.[/quote]He’s like John Kruk, except you can’t help but hate him.

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  151. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Ah, the #2/#3 pick is probably just as good.[/quote]
    Probably. Baltimore’s been sucking ass so Cubs may slip from #2 as well.

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  152. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]What the hell kind of hit was that? That should become Koyie’s signature hit. Basehit at the eyes.[/quote]
    Beer league softball tomahawk chop hit.

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  153. binky

    [quote name=ACT]Lies![/quote]Sorry, I should have prefaced that by admitting I was a spy for the Player’s Union.

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  154. JMan

    Can someone explain to me why Wandy Rodriguez’s contract is so bad? He’s not the greatest pitcher but having a #3 type pitcher locked in at 10/13/13(option) doesn’t seem all that terrible.

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  155. Rice Cube

    [quote name=JMan]Can someone explain to me why Wandy Rodriguez’s contract is so bad? He’s not the greatest pitcher but having a #3 type pitcher locked in at 10/13/13(option) doesn’t seem all that terrible.[/quote]
    I thought the feeling was that it was a decent contract.

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  156. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=ACT]Fact: all MLB hitters have the same talent. All those stats you see merely document random variation.[/quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o

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  157. Berselius

    [quote name=JMan]Can someone explain to me why Wandy Rodriguez’s contract is so bad? He’s not the greatest pitcher but having a #3 type pitcher locked in at 10/13/13(option) doesn’t seem all that terrible.[/quote]
    It’s a good contract, I think most of the complaints are about the Astros extending him this year then frantically trying to cut payroll by moving him.

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