OV Pic of the Day: This Woman Wasn’t Born the Last Time the Cubs Won the World Series

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Sometimes I think the Cardinals take the idea that Dave Duncan is a miracle worker with pitching reclamation projects a bit too far.

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At one hundred years old, she wasn’t born yet when the Cubs last won the World Series or when Albert Pujols learned to drive.  We’re looking into reports that Hendry is in talks to sign her to a 3-year deal to shore up the bullpen.


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  1. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=JMan]Is that Julian Tavarez’ mother?[/quote]I think it’s actually Julian Tavarez.

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  2. binky

    That’s a good pic. I was kind of half-expecting a pic of some Cubs fans texting or doing something besides watching the game. That’s pretty much what I was doing.

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  3. Rice Cube

    I actually read the AP caption that this was the old lady’s first ever first pitch to realize a life-long dream, so that was pretty cool.

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  4. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=JMan]so he was steroid user?[/quote]No way. If he’d have used steroids, he’d have been super amazingly awesome, because we all know steroids are magic pills that make everyone hit eleventy dozen homers.

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  5. Aisle424

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I actually read the AP caption that this was the old lady’s first ever first pitch to realize a life-long dream, so that was pretty cool.[/quote]
    When she was a teenager during the Great Depression, she would tell anyone who would listen that all she wanted to do was to throw out a ceremonial first pitch at a Cardinals game.

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  6. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Aisle424]When she was a teenager during the Great Depression, she would tell anyone who would listen that all she wanted to do was to throw out a ceremonial first pitch at a Cardinals game.[/quote]She practiced every day with the warm potato she held in her hands to keep warm.

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  7. melissa

    [quote name=Aisle424]When she was a teenager during the Great Depression, she would tell anyone who would listen that all she wanted to do was to throw out a ceremonial first pitch at a Cardinals game.[/quote]
    Shut her right up. Finally.

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  8. mb21

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I just don’t see it that way. I think he wants years. Almost all guys his age want years, especially in MLB, where the contracts are guaranteed.[/quote]
    Why would they want years instead of money? Either way, it’s not a clear cut case in which we know Ramirez won’t accept arbitration. Not to mention, there’s no way you even consider offering arbitration since if he accepted you’d end up paying him more than you would if you just picked up the option.

    There are three options the Cubs have with Ramirez: trade him, pick up the option or let him walk. I’d prefer trade, but Ramirez has no-trade rights so it’s up to him. Of the remaining two options, I’d rather they let him walk.

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  9. melissa

    A couple of weeks ago when all the Aramis trade talk first started his agent said that if he agreed to a trade, he wanted the option waived. I assumed that was because Aramis thinks he can get a multi-year deal at the end of the season. The agent also said that he probably wouldn’t agree to a trade until his family left Chicago around August 10. If Hendry can’t work out a deal that he likes and Aramis agrees to, I believe the Cubs should offer him arb at the end of the year. It seem obvious to me that Aramis thinks he can get a 2 or probably 3 year deal considering he will be the best 3rd baseman available and he’s been hitting pretty well. If* his agent was being truthful about him wanting the option waived then there is no reason for me to believe he would accept arb if offered.

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  10. mb21

    You guys must think Ramirez is going to get twice as much as he’s worth on the free agent market and that’s just not likely.

    Regardless of that, you’re never ever going to decline an option and then offer arbitration if you may end up paying more to the player than you would have if you just exercised the option. The only way the Cubs offer arbitration is if the Cubs and Ramirez have an agreement that he’ll decline it and I don’t know why he would.

    Ramirez and his agent can talk multi-year contract all they want, but they have to find a team that’s actually willing to pay him the kind of money that would justify declining arbitration.

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  11. melissa

    [quote name=mb21]You guys must think Ramirez is going to get twice as much as he’s worth on the free agent market and that’s just not likely.
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    I don’t think that but he and his agent seem to believe he can get a 2 or 3 year deal. I also don’t know why the agent would say that Aramis would insist the option is waived if that weren’t true. There really is no leverage for him to gain by saying such a thing, imo. He already has 10/5 rights so he doesn’t need an excuse to decline a trade.

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  12. mb21

    On June 1st Ramirez had a .289/.346/.395 line after batting .241/.294/.452 in 2010. I think we jumped to conclusions about him being done and now people are doing the exact opposite. Over his last 883 plate appearances (since the beginning of 2010), he’s hit .266/.316/.474 with terrible base running and terrible defense (-18 Total Zone). Since 2010 he’s been worth .8 rWAR. He’s been worth 2.2 WAR since 2009.

    I don’t know if he’s the best 3rd baseman available this offseason or not, but that says a lot more about the other 3rd basemen that are available than it says about Aramis Ramirez.

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  13. mb21

    [quote name=melissa]I don’t think that but he and his agent seem to believe he can get a 2 or 3 year deal. I also don’t know why the agent would say that Aramis would insist the option is waived if that weren’t true. There really is no leverage for him to gain by saying such a thing, imo. He already has 10/5 rights so he doesn’t need an excuse to decline a trade.[/quote]The reason he said this is because he wants to choose his next team after being traded. It’s understandable. He’ll go play for a contender this year for 2 months (maybe), but after that he’s picking his place of employment.

    I think we’re looking too much into Ramirez’s and his agent’s comments. Let’s look at the facts. Ramirez took significantly less money to stay with the Cubs. Twice! There has never even been one rumor about him being unhappy with this organization, his manager, coaches, front office or anybody associated with the team. He’s been with the Cubs since July 2003 so that’s a long time. If he was unhappy with anything, it’s likely we’d have heard about it, but we haven’t. So we not only have evidence that Ramirez likes the Cubs by taking less money not once, but twice, there’s never been anything said about him being unhappy.

    Now let’s look at the projections. He’s basically a 2 WAR player.in the NL and worth about $9.6 million dollars using 5% inflation. He’s old. Here’s what we get.

    2012: 2 WAR
    2013: 1.5 WAR
    2014: 1 WAR

    2012: $9.6 M
    2013: $7.6 M
    2014: $5.3 M
    Total: $22.5 M

    Or if he accept arbitration, we get this:

    2012: $17.5 M (buyout plus arbitration)
    2013: $7.6 M (free agent contract)
    2014: $5.3 M
    Total: $30.4 M

    $8 million more if he accepts arbitration over 3 years.

    Then we’re in the same place next year. We have a guy who was making $15.5 million and he’s once again a free agent. He’ll have 10/5 rights next year so probably won’t accept a trade. Then we offer him arbitration again. And again. Until he’s so bad that we know for sure no team is going to sign him. How much do we spend in the meantime?

    At some point you have to NOT offer arbitration.

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  14. melissa

    [quote name=mb21]The reason he said this is because he wants to choose his next team after being traded. It’s understandable. He’ll go play for a contender this year for 2 months (maybe), but after that he’s picking his place of employment.
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    You seem to believe that he would accept arb because that’s the most money available, for one year, but he doesn’t want anyone picking up his option even though it would guarantee him about the same money. If he declines the option there is no guarantee he will be offered arb so he’s taking a risk even though it would guarantee his ability to pick his employer. I think that if he’s willing to take the risk of declining the option then he’s willing to take the risk of declining arb. It’s possible he doesn’t want the option picked up because he wants to pick his employer but it’s also possible he doesn’t want it picked up because he wants a multi-year deal. I guess we’ll have to take a wait and see approach. (dying laughing)

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  15. melissa

    [quote name=mb21]

    At some point you have to NOT offer arbitration.[/quote]
    I agree but I don’t think that it’s this year. Offering him arb this year doesn’t mean you have to offer it to him in the future. As things stand right now, I would take the risk and offer him arb. Considering how the Cubs have operated the last couple of years I really doubt they will offer him arb if they keep him.

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  16. mb21

    Melissa, where did his agent say this about his option? It’s hard for me to believe that if his agent actually said that there would be any confusion about his contract.

    The point I’m making is that it’s not a simple decision. You don’t have to believe that Ramirez will accept arbitration, but the numbers obviously show that it’s in his interest to do so. I have no clue what the man would decide. None. I know there’s more money on the table for him if he accepts arbitration. Because of that, you have to concede the possibility he accepts and whether or not it’s in the Cubs interest to take that risk and pay him that money.

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  17. mb21

    [quote name=melissa]I agree but I don’t think that it’s this year. Offering him arb this year doesn’t mean you have to offer it to him in the future. As things stand right now, I would take the risk and offer him arb. Considering how the Cubs have operated the last couple of years I really doubt they will offer him arb if they keep him.[/quote]But the point is that we’ll be having this same discussion next year and the year and the year after that. At some point it becomes a good idea to not offer arbitration. It’s not always a bad decision to not do so. Not offering arbitration to Harden was probably a poor decision, but the Cubs may have known he’d accept. In that case, there was no reason to offer it given their financial situation. As for Kevin Gregg, I do not give a shit about that one. It’s Kevin Gregg and if there was any chance he’d have accepted, there was no reason to offer arbitration.

    I’d also add that Rich Harden signed for $6.5 million in 2010 with the Rangers. He made $7 million in 2009 with the Cubs. If you offer him arbitration he more than likely accepts. He earned less money in free agency than he would have if they offered arbitration. Kevin Gregg got a measly $2 million in 2010 after making $4.2 million. If they offer arbitration to him, he’s making $4.5 million or more in 2010, or more than twice as much as he made on the free agent market.

    I hated both decisions at the time, but both decisions were the right ones. I also didn’t like that Harden wasn’t traded, but I also don’t want Jim Hendry to just take it in the ass just because. If some team isn’t willing to pay what Harden’s value was, you don’t trade him. Are you ever going to sell a dollar for less than a dollar?

    Looking at this more in depth, you were right about using the recent past as an example of why they won’t offer arbitration. They won’t because Ramirez will get less on the free agent market.

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  18. mb21

    If the Cubs offer Ramirez arbitration and he accepts, their payroll next year is up to $116 million and they added all of 2 wins. They’re now a 75-win team.

    The only way the Cubs do anything other than decline his option and decline to offer arbitration is see if he wants to work out a 2-year deal in which he folds that $2 million buyout into the new contract. Maybe a 2-year $12 million deal paying him $4 million in 2012. Ramirez can probably get more on the free agent market so I doubt he’d agree to that.

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  19. Rice Cube

    I’m sure you guys have heard Jim Hendry basically say that rebuilding is not a viable option, so expect another half-assed contender next season unless they actually can sign Pujols/Fielder and Sabathia. Even then…not very confident.

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  20. Berselius

    Delayed reply from yesterday

    [quote name=mb21]You can’t blame the front office if Ramirez said he won’t accept a trade. As Hendry said, that’s Ramirez’s right. He’s earned it, but there’s nothing the Cubs can do about it.[/quote]
    No way MB. We all know that Jim Hendry throws around NTC like pieces of candy. Nevermind 10-5 rights (dying laughing)

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  21. Rice Cube

    http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/07/30/730-rebuild-retool-reboot/

    Are the Cubs in rebuilding mode? Yes and no.

    “There are certain people who won’t be back and there are a whole lot of people we should be happy with — young players, two kids in the middle,” GM Jim Hendry said Friday. “We’re hoping Tyler Colvin gets back to where he was. Marlon Byrd’s been a fine player here and he has another year on his contract.

    “You have a bullpen of a lot of guys coming back who are very good,” he said. “Everybody should be encouraged by the year Jeff Samardzija has had and where he’s going and the year James Russell has had since moving back into the bullpen. Sean Marshall will be here, Carlos Marmol will be here.

    “You always need some kind of rebuilding when you’re in fifth place but you certainly don’t look at it like, ‘Oh, we’re not going to compete.’ When somebody says, ‘Blow the place up and start over and do it right,’ well, OK, does that mean we should get rid of the people who are really young and real good? I’ve said this a hundred times, wasn’t Pittsburgh 20 games under a year ago, and Cleveland? All you need is for your young people to get better and make the right moves, and why couldn’t we be right back in it?”

    The Cubs did fall to 22 games under .500 after Friday’s 9-2 loss to the Cardinals.

    “We’re having a bad year, and there’s no way around it, no excuses for it,” Hendry said. “Nobody picked us to be in the first three this year but we felt by now, we’d be at .500. If we were .500 a week ago, it would’ve got you two or three back. We didn’t do our part. Excuses or no excuses, injuries or not injuries, we haven’t played to the level we should have.”

    At the start of this road trip vs. NL Central teams, Mike Quade said he felt the Cubs still had a chance to get back in the race.

    “I respect his optimism,” Hendry said. “There are a lot of teams above you. You don’t want Mike hanging his head and saying, ‘We can’t do something, we can’t do this.’ I’m sure in his heart he believes we can have a good couple months like he had last year at the end and hopefully we will. You’ve got a lot of people in front of you in the standings and you’re a lot of games behind. I wouldn’t want him to say, ‘Hey, we’re all done and let’s get the guys ready for next year.’”

    Actually doesn’t sound too bad here.

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  22. mb21

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I’m sure you guys have heard Jim Hendry basically say that rebuilding is not a viable option, so expect another half-assed contender next season unless they actually can sign Pujols/Fielder and Sabathia. Even then…not very confident.[/quote]I do expect they’ll sign one of Fielder or Pujols and probably trade for a starter. I don’t think that will be enough by itself so the Cubs will need to get lucky, but they’ll be in a much better position this time next year than they were this year or last year.

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  23. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]I think it’s hilarious that LAA still has a hard on for acquiring Ramirez.[/quote]It is kind of funny.

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  24. mb21

    Actually doesn’t sound too bad here.

    I agree. He basically said what makes sense for this team and the market they’re in. They aren’t going to rebuild. As much as I wanted them to in recent years, it’s not happening. If the NL Central is as bad next year as it is this year, I actually think the Cubs can contend even if they just end up getting Fielder and a number 2 starter. They’ll need some luck.

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  25. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/5717/deadline-deal-unlikely-for-cubs

    In separate sessions with the media, both Hendry and Ramirez said that for now, the third baseman is staying with the Cubs and won’t be involved in any trade discussions. The truth of the matter is the Cubs most likely would want to approach Ramirez on an extension after this season. Both sides have a mutual option for an extension for 2012 at $16 million. If the team holds on to Ramirez, it will have five weeks to negotiate a new contract before baseball’s free agent period starts following the World Series.

    Say what you want, apparently the Cubs are at least open to giving Ramirez what has to be a 2-3 year deal. I at least hope the 3rd year is a club option. The fact is, that Ramirez is the 8th most valuable 3B in the majors this year= http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0

    I think he’s likely to get at least 2 years on the open market. I’m no mathematician, but the reduced run scoring environment has to have effected the value of replacement level in recent years, and I’m thinking some re-calculating needs to be done. League avg. wOBA has dropped from .332 to .319 in the last 1.5 seasons. Perhaps defensive standards have increased to offset that, however. Despite the value of a win that we can calculate, and the number of wins we can calculate for Ramirez, 30 teams have to employ someone to play 3B next year, and Aramis Ramirez is the best one available. He’s going to get paid, especially the way he’s hit the last 6 weeks. His WAR figures don’t correctly reflect the positional scarcity in my opinion.

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  26. mb21

    Nate, WAR uses league average wOBA so it’s relative to the league each and every year. Here’s a rough formula:

    (wOBA – lgwOBA) / 1.15 * PA / 10.5 = Batting Wins Above Average.

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  27. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=mb21]Nate, WAR uses league average wOBA so it’s relative to the league each and every year. Here’s a rough formula:

    (wOBA – lgwOBA) / 1.15 * PA / 10.5 = Batting Wins Above Average.[/quote]
    Well, I guess that shows I don’t know much about the nuts and bolts of the numbers. I still think that Ramirez is clearly the best available FA 3B, so he’s going to get a decent contract.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/2012-mlb-free-agents.html

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  28. mb21

    Has that been true in the past? It seems like it would be, but I don’t think it is.

    Here are the 1st base free agents from a year ago:

    First Basemen
    Lance Berkman NYY *
    Russell Branyan SEA
    Adam Dunn WAS
    Jason Giambi COL
    Troy Glaus ATL
    Aubrey Huff SF
    Nick Johnson NYY *
    Paul Konerko CWS
    Mark Kotsay CWS
    Derrek Lee ATL
    Adam LaRoche ARZ
    Mike Lowell BOS
    David Ortiz BOS *
    Lyle Overbay TOR
    Carlos Pena TB
    Mike Sweeney PHI
    Jim Thome MIN
    Ty Wigginton BAL

    Berkman was the best available and even after one down season he didn’t make all that much. And he only got a 1 year deal, right?

    Was Pena the 2nd best? He got a contract that deferred half his $10 million salary.

    Third Basemen
    Garrett Atkins FA
    Adrian Beltre BOS *
    Geoff Blum HOU
    Miguel Cairo CIN
    Jorge Cantu TEX
    Eric Chavez OAK *
    Pedro Feliz STL
    Bill Hall BOS *
    Brandon Inge DET
    Maicer Izturis LAA
    Melvin Mora COL
    Nick Punto MIN *
    Aramis Ramirez CHC *
    Miguel Tejada SD
    Chad Tracy FLA
    Omar Vizquel CWS

    Beltre got a huge contract, but he was ridiculously good.

    It would be interesting to look at the last 5 or 10 years and see how much the best player at each position got. Don’t know if it would be of any use.

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  29. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=mb21]Has that been true in the past? It seems like it would be, but I don’t think it is.

    Here are the 1st base free agents from a year ago:

    First Basemen
    Lance Berkman NYY *
    Russell Branyan SEA
    Adam Dunn WAS
    Jason Giambi COL
    Troy Glaus ATL
    Aubrey Huff SF
    Nick Johnson NYY *
    Paul Konerko CWS
    Mark Kotsay CWS
    Derrek Lee ATL
    Adam LaRoche ARZ
    Mike Lowell BOS
    David Ortiz BOS *
    Lyle Overbay TOR
    Carlos Pena TB
    Mike Sweeney PHI
    Jim Thome MIN
    Ty Wigginton BAL

    Berkman was the best available and even after one down season he didn’t make all that much. And he only got a 1 year deal, right?

    Was Pena the 2nd best? He got a contract that deferred half his $10 million salary.

    Third Basemen
    Garrett Atkins FA
    Adrian Beltre BOS *
    Geoff Blum HOU
    Miguel Cairo CIN
    Jorge Cantu TEX
    Eric Chavez OAK *
    Pedro Feliz STL
    Bill Hall BOS *
    Brandon Inge DET
    Maicer Izturis LAA
    Melvin Mora COL
    Nick Punto MIN *
    Aramis Ramirez CHC *
    Miguel Tejada SD
    Chad Tracy FLA
    Omar Vizquel CWS

    Beltre got a huge contract, but he was ridiculously good.

    It would be interesting to look at the last 5 or 10 years and see how much the best player at each position got. Don’t know if it would be of any use.[/quote]

    Adam Dunn 4/56M
    Paul Konerko 3/38M
    Aubrey fucking Huff 2/22M
    Ortiz was an option year for 12M that got exercised. Berkman was vocal that he wanted a 1yr deal to restore his value last offseason. That could have been posturing, but he was hurt and bad last year. Is there any doubt he will get more than 1 year this offseason?

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  30. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Boras was also vocal that Pena wanted a “pillow contract” this season to restore value.

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  31. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Brandon Inge also received a 2 year extension last offseason, only to suck so badly this year that he was DFA to AAA.

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  32. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Rectangle. America. Monday. Megaphone. Butthole.[/quote]

    ??

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  33. melissa

    [quote name=mb21]Melissa, where did his agent say this about his option? It’s hard for me to believe that if his agent actually said that there would be any confusion about his contract. .[/quote]

    If a team wanted Ramirez, his agent said they would have to agree to let him decline the option or allow him to make it a player option. Because of that, Kinzer isn’t optimistic about a potential deal.

    This was from 7/19 when the agent was saying the option would need to be declined by whoever acquired him: http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/6781999/chicago-cubs-aramis-ramirez-says-staying-put-now

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  34. melissa

    The Cubs have a $16 million option on Ramirez for 2012 that becomes automatic, plus another $1 million if he’s traded. Kinzer, though, said Ramirez would prefer to have that option dropped if he’s traded, making him a free agent after the season. He’d be the second player to decline a guaranteed option for big bucks in 2012 in a trade, as Francisco Rodriguez made a similar move to become a free agent after the season following his trade to Milwaukee. “Most teams wouldn’t have a problem with that,” Kinzer said. “They would be renting a player for the rest of the season. That’s all stuff we’d have to look at.”

    This was all from about 2 weeks ago and I don’t know why Aramis would have changed his mind since then. I guess this was brought up by local media now because the non-waiver deadline was approaching but Aramis was never planning on leaving before July 31. I think it was made clear that if he was dealt it wouldn’t be until August and he wants the team picking him up to decline the option. Of course we are only left to speculate as to his reasons.

    http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/30695883

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  35. JMan

    We also may have to consider that Ramirez is finally feeling healthy again. He did hurt his shoulder again last year(dislocated?). It also needs to be taken into consideration when dealing an extension since it’s likely to happen again over the next 2-3 years.

    I don’t know if they’ll trade for a starter but if they can lock up Fielder or Pujols quickly they’ll likely attract guys like Carpenter or CJ Wilson without having to gruesomely overpay.
    I’m also going to look at how long the contracts are they dole out aside from Fielder/Pujols as they’ll get long contracts. I seriously believe the Cubs feel with whom they drafted and signed from the INT’L pool they think they can go young in 3 years.

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  36. mb21

    Here’s what we know the Cubs are doing: they’re going to try to contend in 2012. Does Aramis Ramirez and his $16 million contract make sense? I think we all agree it does not so it’s then fairly obvious (at least to me) that you can’t offer arbitration. If I’m not willing to pay Ramirez $16 million I’m not going to take a chance I end up paying him $17-18 million.

    I’ll also give the Cubs a little credit here seeing as the most recent players they did not offer arbitration to received less money on the free agent market than they would have with the Cubs.

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  37. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]That’s interesting, but Ramirez loses his 10 and 5 rights if traded and considering he has all the leverage I’d ask for that.[/quote]I think he feels, or his agent feels, that he can get more money in total on the FA market. Seems to me his thought process is that he can make $17 mil for one year, or make 40 mil for 4 or 5 years.

    With that said, I think the line you’re arguing is exactly what the Cubs are thinking, which why we’re hearing rumors about an extension. If the Cubs decide to keep Ramirez, Hendry will try to avoid arb AND avoid paying that option by signing Ramirez to an extension, for the reason you’ve articulated above. It’s the smart money move for the Cubs if and only if they plan not to trade Ramirez.

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  38. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]

    I’ll also give the Cubs a little credit here seeing as the most recent players they did not offer arbitration to received less money on the free agent market than they would have with the Cubs.[/quote]
    Yes, this.

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  39. Berselius

    [quote name=JMan]

    I don’t know if they’ll trade for a starter but if they can lock up Fielder or Pujols quickly they’ll likely attract guys like Carpenter or CJ Wilson without having to gruesomely overpay. [/quote]
    I’d rather not get Carpenter. He’s a great pitcher but he’s a walking injury risk, and getting older.

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  40. mb21

    Ramirez isn’t going to get $40 million on the free agent market. I’ll bet $40 million on that. (dying laughing)

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  41. mb21

    I think the smart money move is letting Ramirez walk. Based on recent players the Cubs have not offered arbitration to, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. My guess is that the Cubs don’t offer arbitration and Ramirez gets less money than he’d have gotten if he stayed with the Cubs. I’d be shocked if he got more. It would be one of the worst contracts of the offseason if he gets more than that in 2012.

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    [quote name=mb21]I get that game, too. Anytime the Cardinals are on FOX they’re on in this area. Weird.[/quote]
    Maybe it’s because that game has big ramifications for the Royals division title race (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=Berselius]Holy shit, 5 runs in the first? What team is this?[/quote]Buck was going on about how shitty Soriano is at the exact moment he hit the 3 run bomb.

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]Buck was going on about how shitty Soriano is at the exact moment he hit the 3 run bomb.[/quote]
    Why can’t that shut that jack-hole right up?

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    [quote name=Bottleasmoke][/quote]Twenty-fucking-five to one, my gambling days are done
    I bet on a horse called the ‘Bottle Of Smoke’ And my horse won

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]Buck was going on about how shitty Soriano is at the exact moment he hit the 3 run bomb.[/quote]That’s like the Reds announcer a year or two ago talking about how not clutch Edwin Encarnacion seconds before he hits a walk-off home run.

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    [quote name=Suburban kid][quote name=Bottleasmoke]
    Twenty-fucking-five to one, my gambling days are done
    I bet on a horse called the ‘Bottle Of Smoke’ And my horse won[/quote]
    Gotta love it when a long shot pays off, but I won’t gamble on the Cubs, the saving grace of that relationship is my ability to say “well, at least I didn’t bet any money on them.”

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    [quote name=Bottleasmoke]Why can’t that shut that jack-hole right up?[/quote]Because Joe Buck remains blissfully untroubled by the facts of the matter.

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    [quote name=Berselius]looking like Furcal ———> STL[/quote]Big vote of confidence for Theriot, that.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Because Joe Buck remains blissfully untroubled by the facts of the matter.[/quote]That’s it.

    To be fair, he was actually saying Soriano was a bad contract and he hadn’t performed, not that he “sucked”, and I just liked the humor of the situation. But Buck does seem “untroubled” by his general cluelessness and atrocious hair and dress sense.

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    [quote name=mb21]Ramirez isn’t going to get $40 million on the free agent market. I’ll bet $40 million on that. (dying laughing)[/quote]4 yrs/10 per. I could see an AL team being that foolish. I’m not saying it will happen, I’m just saying every indication from Ramirez’ camp seems to indicate this is their line of thinking.

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]That’s it.

    To be fair, he was actually saying Soriano was a bad contract and he hadn’t performed, not that he “sucked”, and I just liked the humor of the situation. But Buck does seem “untroubled” by his general cluelessness and atrocious hair and dress sense.[/quote]Joe Buck thinks this is the worst thing to every happen:

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]4 yrs/10 per. I could see an AL team being that foolish. I’m not saying it will happen, I’m just saying every indication from Ramirez’ camp seems to indicate this is their line of thinking.[/quote]
    I could see the Angels doing it.

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    [quote name=Berselius]I could see the Angels doing it.[/quote]Yeah. That’s who I have in mind. I can see them giving him a backloaded 3-4 year deal worth ~10/12 per on avg. I also think that’s about what any extension Hendry gives him will look like. He is the only solid option at 3B in the FA market, and he’s got a lot of leverage here.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]4 yrs/10 per. I could see an AL team being that foolish. I’m not saying it will happen, I’m just saying every indication from Ramirez’ camp seems to indicate this is their line of thinking.[/quote]What I read is that some AL teams see him as a DH. If so, he’s not even worth over 3 years what he’d get next year with the Cubs. I don’t see any team signing a 33 year old defensively challenged 3rd baseman who runs the bases as bad as anyone in baseball, and is coming off a horrible season just a year ago to that kind of a deal.

    The average player gets a contract in value equal to his projected value. for Ramirez that’s about $22 million over 3 years.

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    [quote name=Berselius]I could see the Angels doing it.[/quote]I don’t think any team is going to sign him for that kind of money. The fact the Cubs think they may be able to get him back for a couple years really tells us everything we need to know about his free agent value in my opinion.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah. That’s who I have in mind. I can see them giving him a backloaded 3-4 year deal worth ~10/12 per on avg. I also think that’s about what any extension Hendry gives him will look like. He is the only solid option at 3B in the FA market, and he’s got a lot of leverage here.[/quote]
    I hope some other team does it so I can laugh at them.

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    [quote name=mb21]What I read is that some AL teams see him as a DH. If so, he’s not even worth over 3 years what he’d get next year with the Cubs. I don’t see any team signing a 33 year old defensively challenged 3rd baseman who runs the bases as bad as anyone in baseball, and is coming off a horrible season just a year ago to that kind of a deal.

    The average player gets a contract in value equal to his projected value. for Ramirez that’s about $22 million over 3 years.[/quote]Dunn got a contract worth almost 15 per, and he’s worse than Ramirez at pretty much everything. If Ramirez hits FA, it’s likely someone will overpay for him.

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    [quote name=ACT]Watching Lopez pitch is painful.[/quote]I still can’t believe this roster. It’s so damn shitty.

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    [quote name=dylanj]that was just fucking dirty.[/quote]Yeah, really no call for that. I doubt Quade plunks him, though. It would just ignite a war, because The Genius can’t ever take anything lying down, and would surely respond by hitting a Cub, and with the way injuries have piled up for this team, it would probably be Castro and it would break his hand or something.

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  61. Suburban kid

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Fack. My stream is dead. Anyone got a stream option?[/quote]You want to stream epic shit?

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]You want to stream epic shit?[/quote]I want to watch Albert Pujols smash baseballs.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Dunn got a contract worth almost 15 per, and he’s worse than Ramirez at pretty much everything. If Ramirez hits FA, it’s likely someone will overpay for him.[/quote]2/18 with a club option. And whichever team ends up signing him to that will have overpaid.

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  64. Suburban kid

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I want to watch Albert Pujols smash baseballs.[/quote]Well he leads off the next inning. You can have my MLB.TV sub if you’re desperate.

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]Well he leads off the next inning. You can have my MLB.TV sub if you’re desperate.[/quote]I wouldn’t want to impose.

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    [quote name=Suburban kid]Well he leads off the next inning. You can have my MLB.TV sub if you’re desperate.[/quote]What about all the people that paid full price for mlb.tv?

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    [quote name=mb21]What did Holliday do?[/quote]Went in late and spikes high on Castro. Plus he already slides like a fucking lummox.

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    [quote name=dylanj]took the most illegal slide ive seen and spiked the shit out of castro. dirty dirty play[/quote]Could he grab the bag?

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    [quote name=mb21]Could he grab the bag?[/quote]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?

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  70. Suburban kid

    [quote name=mb21]What about all the people that paid full price for mlb.tv?[/quote]Like me?

    I’m like Al giving away bleacher tickets to college students.

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    [quote name=dylanj]he started his slide after he was past 2B. I dont think he could have touched it if he tried to[/quote]He had a better chance of grabbing the 3B bag once his slide was finished. (dying laughing)

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    I like Russell coming out of the bullpen. He seems to have slid into the swingman role nicely.

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  73. ACT

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Baker should never face a RHP ever again.[/quote]True fact: Darwin Barney’s career numbers against RHP’s are just as bad as Baker’s.

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    [quote name=ACT]True fact: Darwin Barney’s career numbers against RHP’s are just as bad as Baker’s.[/quote]Sounds like the perfect makings for a moroon at 2B next year.

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    [quote name=GBTS]This team fucking blows.[/quote]I’m beginning to think this team is worse than the 2006 team.

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  76. GBTS

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m beginning to think this 2011 team is ironically worse than the 2006 team.[/quote].

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  77. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=ACT]I’m amazed how much trouble Cubs pitchers have with Theriot.[/quote]He’s tearing the Cubs a new asshole today.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]So I heard on the radio that Matt Holliday tried to assassinate Castro.[/quote]Not assassinate, just tried to amputate his legs at the knee.

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    [quote name=ACT]Well, that was embarassing.[/quote]This team never fails to plumb new depths of shittiness.

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  80. Rice Cube

    Looked like Castro went down hard but not so hard that he couldn’t have kept Pujols to third base…at the same time, he might have gotten the wind knocked out of him or something. I dunno. People seemed to be complaining about it a bit. Rough spot for Starlin there.

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  81. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=ACT]http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17460093[/quote]
    Bean the mother fucker. Let them police themselves. If Holiday is willing to play the game in a way that shows no concern for the fact that he may injure another player, he deserves to be pitched to in a way that reflects a lack of concern for whether he gets injured.

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  82. Mercurial Outfielder

    I thought Peña bitching at the ump while a run scored was the highlight of the game, personally.

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  83. ACT

    At the very least, they need to get the ball to another infielder. Pujols had a ton of time to come home, so they had to do something besides just lying there.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Bean the mother fucker. Let them police themselves. If Holiday is willing to play the game in a way that shows no concern for the fact that he may injure another player, he deserves to be pitched to in a way that reflects a lack of concern for whether he gets injured.[/quote]If it were any other team, I might agree. But with the Cardinals, you have to be careful, because Larussa is a fucking child, and he would surely have responded in kind. I think Quade took the right tactic here in what was probably a response designed to protect his players from any further harm.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Bean the mother fucker. Let them police themselves. If Holiday is willing to play the game in a way that shows no concern for the fact that he may injure another player, he deserves to be pitched to in a way that reflects a lack of concern for whether he gets injured.[/quote]Man, I really don’t want the Cubs to get involved in a beanball war. Nobody wins those.

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  86. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Now.
    I need to get away from the computer for a while and have some dinner. I will be back later. Have at it.

    Join us for complete MLB coverage at SB Nation’s Baseball Nation
    by Al Yellon on Jul 30, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions

    (dying laughing)
    (dying laughing)

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  87. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]At the very least, they need to get the ball to another infielder. Pujols had a ton of time to come home, so they had to do something besides just lying there.[/quote]
    It seemed like Barney didn’t run to Castro right away so that wasn’t an option. I’m sure this will be all Castro’s fault somehow.

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    [quote name=ACT]At the very least, they need to get the ball to another infielder. Pujols had a ton of time to come home, so they had to do something besides just lying there.[/quote]Where the fuck is the 2B on that play? Castro gets sawed off, Peña’s bleating at the ump, and the 2B is nowhere to be found, and the fans are after Castro? WTF?

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    I don’t understand why Larussa gets to act like a fucking playground bully. Bean the player, if Larussa retaliates, just bean back. Eventually TLR will get suspended or fined for a a game or 2.

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    [quote name=ACT]Man, I really don’t want the Cubs to get involved in a beanball war. Nobody wins those.[/quote]Exactly. I think almost any other manager would have realized that after that fucking bush league slide from Holliday, retaliation was in order, but Larussa would have just started beaning right back.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]I don’t understand why Larussa gets to act like a fucking playground bully. Bean the player, if Larussa retaliates, just bean back. Eventually TLR will get suspended or fined for a a game or 2.[/quote]No, prob both managers get fined/suspended, and you probably lose a pitcher for a a game or two, as well. Larussa is a walking talking piece of shit, and he’s obviously rubbed off on turdburgler Matt Holliday.. I’d rather the Cubs not stoop to his level.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Jimenez———–> Indians[/quote]What’s the return for COL?

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]What’s the return for COL?[/quote]

    Looks like Pomeranz, Alex White, and others included. It’s not final, just “moving towards a deal” and White was scratched from his minor league start

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder] you probably lose a pitcher for a a game or two, as well.[/quote]That would be a perfect opportunity to use Grabow, if only he could throw hard enough to hurt someone.

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    [quote name=ACT]That would be a perfect opportunity to use Grabow, if only he could throw hard enough to hurt someone.[/quote](dying laughing), or be accurate enough.

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  96. Mercurial Outfielder

    From MLBTR:

    The Pirates inquired on Carlos Pena but sensed the Cubs weren’t motivated to trade him, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. The Bucs are not sure that Pena’s predecessor, Derrek Lee of the Orioles, is an upgrade for them. I think he would be.

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  97. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]From MLBTR:[/quote]

    wtf. Even if they saved 1M which they could allocate towards signing draft picks, seems worth exploring.

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    D Jeter struck out looking.
    C Granderson singled to center.
    M Teixeira walked, C Granderson to second.
    R Cano singled to left, C Granderson scored, M Teixeira to second, M Teixeira to third on throwing error by left fielder N Reimold.
    N Swisher safe at first on error by shortstop J Hardy, M Teixeira scored, R Cano to second.
    A Jones doubled to deep left center, R Cano scored, N Swisher to third. 0 3
    R Martin singled to right, N Swisher scored, A Jones to third.
    E Nunez singled to center, A Jones scored, R Martin to second.
    B Gardner reached on infield single to pitcher, R Martin to third, E Nunez to second.
    D Jeter singled to right, R Martin and E Nunez scored, B Gardner to second, B Gardner to third, D Jeter to second advancing on throw.

    7 Runs, 7 Hits, 2 Errors

    That’s just 1 out, and there are still 2 runners in scoring position.

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]wtf. Even if they saved 1M which they could allocate towards signing draft picks, seems worth exploring.[/quote]It’s strange. You’d think if they traded anyone, he’d be dealt. Unless they don’t plan to go after Pujols or Fielder and will instead extend Peña.

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  100. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s strange. You’d think if they traded anyone, he’d be dealt. Unless they don’t plan to go after Pujols or Fielder and will instead extend Peña.[/quote]
    I don’t see any scenario where they contend next year and have Pena as the 1B. What 1B are available after 2012? Vitters? (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]I don’t see any scenario where they contend next year and have Pena as the 1B. What 1B are available after 2012? Vitters? (dying laughing)[/quote]I think we should never underestimate the capacity of this org to do something bizarre.

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    [quote name=ACT]2 more runs score on a Teixeiera Double, Yanks lead 9-0 in the first.[/quote]Make that 12 goddamn first-inning runs. Wow.

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    I guess it’s officially official that the Cubs aren’t trading Pena. For some reason I can’t fathom.

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    [quote name=ACT]http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17460093[/quote]Holliday could reach 2nd base so it’s legal.

    I’m guessing the next time Holliday is in that situation that Castro is going to throw it right at his face. All part of the game.

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    [quote name=ACT]At the very least, they need to get the ball to another infielder. Pujols had a ton of time to come home, so they had to do something besides just lying there.[/quote](dying laughing) I had to watch it a 2nd time to even notice they did nothing about the run coming home.

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    [quote name=mb21](dying laughing) I had to watch it a 2nd time to even notice they did nothing about the run coming home.[/quote]It’s appalling. Castro’s been taken out, Barney is nowhere to be found, and Peña is giving the ump an earful, and not one of them seems to notice that Pujols is trotting home.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]I guess it’s officially official that the Cubs aren’t trading Pena. For some reason I can’t fathom.[/quote]Yeah, even if they plan to sign FA and contend next year, Peña can’t be in those plans, because the easiest and quickest upgrade is at his position.

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    [quote name=mb21](dying laughing) I had to watch it a 2nd time to even notice they did nothing about the run coming home.[/quote]
    I think the guy who was most likely going to be able to get to Castro was Samardzija. Pena was at 1B waiting for a relay and just walking there, while Barney had run back to back up Pena behind 1B. Ramirez was pretty much stuck at 3B to try to hold Pujols to 3B (fat lot of good that did).

    Castro was kind of messed up but I doubt he could hear anything over the crowd noise…not sure what the deal is but I can’t blame him too much even though I think he should’ve gotten up faster.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s appalling. Castro’s been taken out, Barney is nowhere to be found, and Peña is giving the ump an earful, and not one of them seems to notice that Pujols is trotting home.[/quote]I don’t think Peña started arguing with the ump until later. It looks to me as though he was pointing to Pujols. And, of course, Samardzija was yelling at Castro.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s strange. You’d think if they traded anyone, he’d be dealt. Unless they don’t plan to go after Pujols or Fielder and will instead extend Peña.[/quote]As much as I’d like the Cubs to make changes, the reality is they have a bunch of players that have zero value on the trade market. If they were going to rebuild, they missed their opportunity. They don’t have a roster in which they can just blow up. They won’t get anything in return. Pena’s trade value last i looked was about -$4 million. It’s probably a little better these days, but not all that much. I’m guessing that brings in a Grade ZZZZ prospect, aged 47 and older.

    If the Cubs were actually going to have a fire sale then I might care who they trade, but the guys somewhat available are useless on the trade market. If we start talking Marmol, Marshall, Soto, and Garza then I’m interested. But that isn’t happening. No chance. Trading Carlos Pena is the equivalent of trading Bobby Scales. (dying laughing)

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    [quote name=ACT]I don’t think Peña started arguing with the ump until later. It looks to me as though he was pointing to Pujols. And, of course, Samardzija was yelling at Castro.[/quote]That’s the part I thought was funny. Samardzija was just yelling at Castro to get up and do something with the ball and he didn’t. It was weird.

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    It probably doesn’t matter since Pena’s contract is relatively cheap and they’ll pretty much just let him go anyway if they try to sign Fielder/Pujols.

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    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, even if they plan to sign FA and contend next year, Peña can’t be in those plans, because the easiest and quickest upgrade is at his position.[/quote]Yeah, 1st base is the position to improve most next year with the available free agents.

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    [quote name=mb21]That’s the part I thought was funny. Samardzija was just yelling at Castro to get up and do something with the ball and he didn’t. It was weird.[/quote]The crowd was going wild; it may have been hard to hear.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]It probably doesn’t matter since Pena’s contract is relatively cheap and they’ll pretty much just let him go anyway if they try to sign Fielder/Pujols.[/quote]He’s a free agent after the season so my guess is they do go after one of those guys.

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    [quote name=ACT]The crowd was going wild; it may have been hard to hear.[/quote]He was only 50 feet away or less. Regardless of whether or not he heard it, how do the Cubs not get the ball to someone who can keep the runner at 3rd?

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    [quote name=mb21]He was only 50 feet away or less. Regardless of whether or not he heard it, how do the Cubs not get the ball to someone who can keep the runner at 3rd?[/quote]
    He landed pretty hard…I know that’s not an excuse but I’m just trying to think of it from his point of view.

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    Trading Carlos Pena is the equivalent of trading Bobby Scales.

    I understand that logically this is probably true, but there are teams out there like the Pirates that are in need of a bat like his and in a fairly unique position of being able to actually get to the post-season. That would seem to boost the value of someone like Pena.

    Maybe I’ve been a fan of a team that does stupid shit for the wrong reasons for too long, but I can’t imagine that Pena has no value at all right now. I follow a number of Pirates fans on Twitter and they all think the Cubs are retarded for not trading Pena to them.

    If the Cubs simply made Pena available, the clamoring for the Pirates to DO SOMETHING might push their management into overpaying. I just don’t understand steadfastly insisting he’s not being traded.

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    I understand that logically this is probably true, but there are teams out there like the Pirates that are in need of a bat like his and in a fairly unique position of being able to actually get to the post-season. That would seem to boost the value of someone like Pena.

    Even if you boost his trade value, you still end up with nothing. The most optimistic projection system would have him with a surplus trade value of $0 so even if there’s a boost, it’s still not enough to get the Cubs anything more than Lyle Overbay in return.

    To me it’s about getting legitimate prospects back. Arguments could easily be made that the Cubs should trade Pena, but what are they going to get in return? Nothing of any value now or in the future. So it’s very hard for me to be at all upset that the Cubs won’t trade someone for a player or two who have as much chance of providing value to the Cubs as you or I do.

    For what it’s worth, 424, the idea of Pirates fans calling the Cubs retarded is kind of funny. If there’s been one organization over the last 20 years more retarded than the Cubs, it’s the Pirates. (dying laughing)

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  120. mb21

    If the Cubs simply made Pena available, the clamoring for the Pirates to DO SOMETHING might push their management into overpaying. I just don’t understand steadfastly insisting he’s not being traded.

    That’s bizarre, but I also assume a lot of that is just talk.

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    [quote name=mb21]That’s bizarre, but I also assume a lot of that is just talk.[/quote]Good god I hope this is all a negotiating ploy by Hendry. Absolutely NOTHING they are doing right now makes sense. Protecting Byrd AND Pena? insanity.

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  122. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    The A’s got Lars Anderson in return for Rich Harden from the Red Sox. I wish the Cubs would have engaged with Boston about someone, I wouldn’t mind giving Lars a chance to be the 1B

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  123. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    Furcal——–> Cardinals. Terry-ott——-> benchy

    I was hoping Brewers would get Furcal. I still hope they win the NL central. I think Cards may basically have it wrapped up though. Pittsburgh is almost as pathetic as the Cubs, having done nothing at all. I guess there’s nothing they can do about the fact that the Cubs refuse to trade Peeeenyua though. (dying laughing)

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  124. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Furcal——–> Cardinals. Terry-ott——-> benchy

    I was hoping Brewers would get Furcal. I still hope they win the NL central. I think Cards may basically have it wrapped up though. Pittsburgh is almost as pathetic as the Cubs, having done nothing at all. I guess there’s nothing they can do about the fact that the Cubs refuse to trade Peeeenyua though. (dying laughing)[/quote]
    I heard the Pirates’ contingency plan at 1B was Derrek Lee, not sure from where though.

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  125. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I heard the Pirates’ contingency plan at 1B was Derrek Lee, not sure from where though.[/quote]

    Wouldnt mind that, altho I think Pena is better at this point. I’d just enjoy seeing Pitt. in a place to add anything at the deadline, altho obviously they shouldn’t be trading their whole system over.

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  126. Rice Cube

    It’s April in Cleveland for Kosuke.

    Well, not really, just a sac fly, but he finally did something good on offense!

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  127. ACT

    I don’t think the Cards have it wrapped up at all. The fact is, midseason trades generally have a pretty small impact (1-2 wins). Anything can happen in the remainder of the season.

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  128. binky

    I haven’t read the comments yet, but the best part of the game, from what I saw, was Castro tagging Theriot in the balls. Who’s with me?

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  129. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]I haven’t read the comments yet, but the best part of the game, from what I saw, was Castro tagging Theriot in the balls. Who’s with me?[/quote]
    Somewhere there has to be photographic or video evidence of this. It must be shared.

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  130. binky

    It was the first inning on the caught stealing. Castro caught the ball and Theriot was still like 8 feet from the base. Theriot slid, and Castro’s swipe tag was all balls.

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  131. binky

    Sounds like the Indians won the Ubaldo Jiminez lottery. I can’t find a picture of the tag in question. It got buried in a mass of homeruns and Cubfail.

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  132. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]It was the first inning on the caught stealing. Castro caught the ball and Theriot was still like 8 feet from the base. Theriot slid, and Castro’s swipe tag was all balls.[/quote]Trib should have game photos posted this evening. I’d be surprised if they don’t have it.

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  133. mb21

    [quote name=JMan]Good god I hope this is all a negotiating ploy by Hendry. Absolutely NOTHING they are doing right now makes sense. Protecting Byrd AND Pena? insanity.[/quote]If the Cubs want to contend next year they need to keep Byrd.

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  134. binky

    I’ve been thinking as far as trades. It doesn’t make any sense to populate the minor leagues with a bunch of crappy players. That taxes the coaching staff. If they can’t get anything good for their guys, then they might as well keep them. They have to put someone out there next year. If next year is a waste, maybe we start seeing some return on the current minor leaguers and a better free agency and shoot for 2013.

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  135. binky

    I mean, getting rid of guys as punishment or something is just going to come back to bite the team in the ass in the next couple of years.

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  136. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]If the Cubs want to contend next year they need to keep Byrd.[/quote]Unless Colvin can get himself straightened out. I think he’s going to get every chance to do so for the remainder of the season. But yeah, they can’t afford to open up a hole in the OF if they want to contend next year.

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  137. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]I’ve been thinking as far as trades. It doesn’t make any sense to populate the minor leagues with a bunch of crappy players. That taxes the coaching staff. If they can’t get anything good for their guys, then they might as well keep them. They have to put someone out there next year. If next year is a waste, maybe we start seeing some return on the current minor leaguers and a better free agency and shoot for 2013.[/quote]But keeping Peña around when at least one team clearly wanted him seems really strange, especially if they’re going after Fielder or Pujols.

    What I really worry about is that this means they won’t go after either and will keep Peña instead.

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  138. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Unless Colvin can get himself straightened out. I think he’s going to get every chance to do so for the remainder of the season. But yeah, they can’t afford to open up a hole in the OF if they want to contend next year.[/quote]What about Castro in center? I’ve been less and less impressed with him as a short stop. I think the position requires too much thinking or something. He seems unsure in a lot of ways there. I know we have no influence over that, but I could see freeing up that position for a move like that.

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  139. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]But keeping Peña around when at least one team clearly wanted him seems really strange, especially if they’re going after Fielder or Pujols.

    What I really worry about is that this means they won’t go after either and will keep Peña instead.[/quote]True. Peña seems okay. He’s not fantastic, but he does all right, and he’d be a lot cheaper than Pujols or Fielder. If they keep him, I think that’s a sign they’re looking past next year.

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  140. ACT

    [quote name=Rice Cube]You guys see that D-Lee might be Pittsburgh’s new 1B?[/quote]Yup; I hope he turns this season around. He finished strong the last two years, so it’s a possibility.

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  141. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]What about Castro in center? I’ve been less and less impressed with him as a short stop. I think the position requires too much thinking or something. He seems unsure in a lot of ways there. I know we have no influence over that, but I could see freeing up that position for a move like that.[/quote]Way too soon to move him off short. And I really don’t know what you mean by it requiring too much thinking.

    He’s just 21, and he needs to do a bit of polishing on his approach at the plate, too. No need to jerk him around in other respects. Let him get comfortable and then decide which way you want to go.

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  142. ACT

    [quote name=josh]What about Castro in center? [/quote]Is there any data on shortstops moving to center? When Robin Yount moved there, he did poorly, according to TZ and FRAA. Then again, he was 30.

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  143. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Rice Cube]You guys see that D-Lee might be Pittsburgh’s new 1B?[/quote]Yeah, apparently the O’s are anxious to dump his salary and PIT really want a better bat at 1B.

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    [quote name=josh]Who was at 1B for Pittsburgh up to this point? Overbay?[/quote]
    I think it’s a platoon of Overbay and Pearce right now. I thought Garrett Jones would play there every now and then, but I don’t think that’s happened lately.

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  145. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Way too soon to move him off short. And I really don’t know what you mean by it requiring too much thinking.

    He’s just 21, and he needs to do a bit of polishing on his approach at the plate, too. No need to jerk him around in other respects. Let him get comfortable and then decide which way you want to go.[/quote]He just makes a lot of dumb mistakes, like missing that throw in from Soriano today. It was a bounced throw, but he was casual about it and didn’t try to stop it. I can see why Quade gets irritated with him occasionally. There are a lot of things that a short stop has to do, like remember where to stand, where to go, what throws to cut off, all that kind of stuff. I guess I’m just frustrated in general. He’ll settle in more, hopefully, next season.

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  146. Rice Cube

    If they stick Castro in CF, that forces Brett Jackson to a corner so I’m not too cool with that idea.

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  147. binky

    [quote name=ACT]Ubaldo’s apparent last start as a Rocky (Rockie?) ended after only 1 inning of work (4 runs, 4 walks, 2 K).[/quote]If it makes you feel any better, the Rox are winning now.

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  148. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]If they stick Castro in CF, that forces Brett Jackson to a corner so I’m not too cool with that idea.[/quote]Yeah, I guess. Like I said, I’m just frustrated with his play at Short today.

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  149. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=josh]He just makes a lot of dumb mistakes, like missing that throw in from Soriano today. It was a bounced throw, but he was casual about it and didn’t try to stop it. I can see why Quade gets irritated with him occasionally. There are a lot of things that a short stop has to do, like remember where to stand, where to go, what throws to cut off, all that kind of stuff. I guess I’m just frustrated in general. He’ll settle in more, hopefully, next season.[/quote]Well, those are the growing pains of a young player like Castro. He’s never going to be Ozzie Smith-type defender, and he was never going to be. But I think he will get better. When/if Jackson gets called up, we’ll see the same sort of thing from him. I just think it’s been so long since the Cubs had an actually young rookie, that Cub fans have forgotten all about the growing pains. (dying laughing)

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  150. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Yeah, I guess. Like I said, I’m just frustrated with his play at Short today.[/quote]
    Might be bad instincts or bad coaching. The play involving Holliday wasn’t all his fault though in my opinion. That was rough.

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  151. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Rice Cube]If they stick Castro in CF, that forces Brett Jackson to a corner so I’m not too cool with that idea.[/quote]I wonder when we’ll see Jackson up here.

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  152. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Might be bad instincts or bad coaching. The play involving Holliday wasn’t all his fault though in my opinion. That was rough.[/quote]No. Matt Holliday’s stupid Gorilla ass can go fuck itself.

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  153. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I wonder when we’ll see Jackson up here.[/quote]
    I actually don’t think they should bring him up until September.

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    [quote name=Rice Cube]Might be bad instincts or bad coaching. The play involving Holliday wasn’t all his fault though in my opinion. That was rough.[/quote]I really wish they’d have kept Trammell around.

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  155. JMan

    so i really am curious to see what the Cubs have in store for this off-season. It needs to be better than the offseason prior to ’07.

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  156. Rice Cube

    So I don’t recall if anyone said this, but by not trading Pena, I was thinking that they can potentially have him as a contingency plan in case there’s no way they land Pujols or Fielder.

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  157. binky

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I really wish they’d have kept Trammell around.[/quote]The team is so bad fundamentally, you start to wonder if the coaching is ineffective, but it’s probably unfair.

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  158. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    O-Cab——–> San Francisco Giants of California, Northern Division

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  159. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]So I don’t recall if anyone said this, but by not trading Pena, I was thinking that they can potentially have him as a contingency plan in case there’s no way they land Pujols or Fielder.[/quote]But, if they signed him, they might not have money to sign P/F. If he signs with someone else while the Cubs are negotiating, you’re stuck with Lyle Overbay or someone.

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  160. binky

    [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]O-Cab——–> San Francisco Giants of California, Northern Division[/quote]Really? I thought the Indians were buying? Maybe they figured they had too many Cabreras?

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  161. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]But, if they signed him, they might not have money to sign P/F. If he signs with someone else while the Cubs are negotiating, you’re stuck with Lyle Overbay or someone.[/quote]
    In that case I’m not sure what the plan is.

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  162. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]Apparantly, the Indians were watching Ubaldo’s last start and were unimpressed.[/quote]
    …but put the trade through anyway?

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