Various reports are suggesting the Cubs discussions about Matt Garza are heating up. I’m not sure that’s really news. I would assume trade discussions for just about anybody on the Cubs is heating up. If it ever cooled down in the first place. Apparently the Blue Jays, Yankees and Red Sox are interested though the Blue Jays are showing the most interest. The Cubs reportedly want a great deal in return and are targeting pitchers.
5:12pm: The Cubs and Blue Jays continue to discuss a Garza deal, Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio and ESPN.com tweets. The Cubs seem to be prioritizing young starting pitching in talks about Garza, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. One executive told Heyman that the Yankees and Blue Jays have what it takes to acquire Garza.
12:53pm: Trade talks for Cubs starter Matt Garza are heating up, writes David Kaplan of Comcast Sportsnet Chicago. Kaplan says the Blue Jays, Yankees, and Red Sox are involved, but the Cubs’ asking price is “incredibly high.”
Snyds01 had a comment in the last thread worth reposting here.
They mention that all three pitchers have 4 control years left, and I am sure there is a value designated to those years, and Garza has 2.
Gonzalez and an organizational filler pitcher (24y/o in A+) got the A’s the Nat’s 3,4 and 9 (#72 on 2011 top 100) prospects and a major league bullpen arm (first season).
Latos got the Pads the Reds 3 (#73 on 2011 top 100),4 and 10 prospects as well as a major league starter who was worth -1.0 WAR last year.
Cahill and a major league reliever (Breslow) got the A’s the D-backs 4th prospect (#33 on 2011 top 100) a first year reliever and a first year RF.
So what does this equate to as a good package for Garza based on what has been paid for Latos, Cahill and Gonzalez? To me it appears a top 100 prospect and a player with about one year of service time is a good place to start.
I think it’s safe to say that Garza is worth half of what Gonzalez and Latos have been worth. I hope the Cubs can get more in return, but I wouldn’t expect it. It sounds as if they’re asking for that much, but asking and receiving are two different things.
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RodrigoQuote Reply
[quote name=Rodrigo].[/quote]False.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]False.[/quote]
Sorry. Sometimes I can’t see comments on a new thread until I post.
RodrigoQuote Reply
Should have specified- when I use my iPhone.
RodrigoQuote Reply
So 2012 is Garza’s age 28 season and he only has the two arb years left. Could actually make an argument that Gio and Latos are better pitchers. All the pitchers you listed in the article are younger than Garza. I’d like to think he’s worth a ton, but realistically I’d be surprised if Garza brought back more than one or two mid-level pitchers back.
I know Cubs fans are going to flip shit if Garza doesn’t bring back a truckload of prospects.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Wow, Texas offense is miserable. First time I’ve really watched them this season.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Wow, Texas offense is miserable. First time I’ve really watched them this season.[/quote]It’s okay. They’re playing Cal.
/alma mater’d
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rodrigo]Sorry. Sometimes I can’t see comments on a new thread until I post.[/quote]I think it’s whenever you aren’t logged in.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]So 2012 is Garza’s age 28 season and he only has the two arb years left. Could actually make an argument that Gio and Latos are better pitchers. All the pitchers you listed in the article are younger than Garza. I’d like to think he’s worth a ton, but realistically I’d be surprised if Garza brought back more than one or two mid-level pitchers back.
I know Cubs fans are going to flip shit if Garza doesn’t bring back a truckload of prospects.[/quote]I tend to agree with this. I think they could one top prospect, but that’s about it.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I tend to agree with this. I think they could one top prospect, but that’s about it.[/quote]Kind of depressing to know that the Cubs’ best trade chip can’t really bring back all that much.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Kind of depressing to know that the Cubs’ best trade chip can’t really bring back all that much.[/quote]I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised by what they get in return, but I’m guessing they get a good prospect and a couple with high ceilings, but the type that have something negative standing out (think Vitters OBP).
mb21Quote Reply
Who is the Blue Jays catcher? I wonder if they could get Travis d’Arnaud plus another good prospect for Garza and Soto. I would think so.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Who is the Blue Jays catcher? I wonder if they could get Travis d’Arnaud plus another good prospect for Garza and Soto. I would think so.[/quote]Right now I think they have JP Arencibia starting. He’s got power but his OBP is kinda abysmal. I was looking at Sickels’ top 20 list for Toronto and any number of their pitchers are attractive targets.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
I want Kyle Drabek. I don’t know much about him to be honest, but I was a HUGE fan of his father when I was a kid. Drabek and Saberhagen were two of my favorite pitchers when I was young.
mb21Quote Reply
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/11/30/2601596/toronto-blue-jays-top-20-prospects-for-2012
Drabek’s no longer on the list (probably he’s penciled in to the rotation) but there’s a bunch of names on there that I looked up the minors stats to and they’re pretty impressive.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I think it’s whenever you aren’t logged in.[/quote]Or whenever there aren’t any comments yet.
fang2415Quote Reply
Think Garza can get this guy?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=molina001nes
This guy is a bunch younger but apparently has good stuff:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=synder001noa
Or this one:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hutchi002and
I don’t know that you can go wrong with any of those, assuming Toronto thinks it’s fair. Obviously they’re just prospects, but still good to look at.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=fang2415]Or whenever there aren’t any comments yet.[/quote](dying laughing) that too
mb21Quote Reply
Does anyone think Garza would be worth Montero in return? I’d do that, unless there is some indication that Montero won’t be able to play 1b or won’t actually hit.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Does anyone think Garza would be worth Montero in return? I’d do that, unless there is some indication that Montero won’t be able to play 1b or won’t actually hit.[/quote]This isn’t directly relevant, but I feel like with A-Rod an injury risk they’d want to keep Montero around for depth on offense even though Montero can’t exactly play 3B…however, Russell Martin can, so they could either put Martin at 3B for a bit and Montero at C, or Montero at DH with Martin at C and someone like Eduardo Nunez at 3B. Somehow I just don’t see the Yankees wanting to part with Montero anyway.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]This isn’t directly relevant, but I feel like with A-Rod an injury risk they’d want to keep Montero around for depth on offense even though Montero can’t exactly play 3B…however, Russell Martin can, so they could either put Martin at 3B for a bit and Montero at C, or Montero at DH with Martin at C and someone like Eduardo Nunez at 3B. Somehow I just don’t see the Yankees wanting to part with Montero anyway.[/quote]
haven’t thought of it like that. I forgot that Posada is gone, so technically Montero is their DH. I would prefer the Cubs acquire young position players, but I suppose pitching will do.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]It’s okay. They’re playing Cal.
/alma mater’d[/quote]Yeah…it was only a matter of time.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised by what they get in return, but I’m guessing they get a good prospect and a couple with high ceilings, but the type that have something negative standing out (think Vitters OBP).[/quote]If the marshall deal is an indication of what to expect I will likely be very happy.
I’m with you and hope Drabek is included. Killer stuff.
JManQuote Reply
Did anyone ever find out what Randy Wells did with the grounds crew?
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Did anyone ever find out what Randy Wells did with the grounds crew?[/quote]
Just some horseplay and snapping of towels. Move along.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate] I would prefer the Cubs acquire young position players, but I suppose pitching will do.[/quote]
At least until we nail down the ninth starter.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]It’s okay. They’re playing Cal.
/alma mater’d[/quote]
Yeah. It’s OK. The difference between it being OK and decent is Mack Brown’s unwillingness to pile on. The difference between it being OK and good is a QB hitting those throws Ash missed last night (Goodwin down the sideline, Davis inside the 10, etc.).
If Ash progresses like he should (hell, he was at his high school prom 7 months ago), we have a decent shot at a BCS bowl next year.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Did anyone ever find out what Randy Wells did with the grounds crew?[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
begets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DlfEQ7cyk
Trace ElliotQuote Reply
WTF?
Same guy who first reported that Pujols was close to signing with the Angels. Of course, technically, GMs should be fielding calls for all players. I imagine they’d ask for the Moon (that’s not a metaphor; I mean actual ownership of the Moon).
MishQuote Reply
I thought someone said a week or so ago that Longoria wanted a trade because the Rays don’t spend enough to win. Seems kinda odd given how good they are; even tho they don’t spend money, they sure are damn competitive.
Recalcitrant Blogger NateQuote Reply
I’m sure they’re fielding calls, but can’t imagine some team giving up what it would require to get him.
mb21Quote Reply
GBTSQuote Reply
I think Alvin is retarded.
mb21Quote Reply
GBTSQuote Reply
Now that needs to go on a shirt.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]WTF?
Same guy who first reported that Pujols was close to signing with the Angels. Of course, technically, GMs should be fielding calls for all players. I imagine they’d ask for the Moon (that’s not a metaphor; I mean actual ownership of the Moon).[/quote]He also thinks today is the day Garza is traded.
JManQuote Reply
[quote name=Trace Elliot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
begets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DlfEQ7cyk%5B/quote%5D
Wells’s incessant hillbilly guitar routine drove the grounds crew to violence.
Yep, Theo probably won’t have him back.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=JMan]He also thinks today is the day Garza is traded.[/quote]If this really happens, then I might start believing in the Church of Scott Swaim.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
new shit: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/poll-what-should-the-cubs-do-with-matt-garza.html
mb21Quote Reply