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Eh. 2016 wasn’t that long ago. Let’s not get all worked up over winning all the time.

David Ross is rumored to be the new Cubs manager, according to anonymous sources attending the press conference introducing him as the new Cubs manager.

Lester Strode is out as bullpen coach, which bothers Bruce Miles. Word is he was offered a different position with the team.

You should probably take a drink every time you shrug while reading Cubs news.

Cole Hamels is gone.

Anthony Rizzo is not.

Yu Darvish is not.

The last surprising development in Cubs world was probably the signing of Craig Kimbrel, which worked out unsurprisingly well. So I’m just going to go ahead and stop this nonsense.

After one more tidbit:

Javy was born. (Don’t shrug at that. You can still drink to that, though.)

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  1. BVS

    So regarding those core 4 trades, mlbtr rumor of the day has it being Contreras.

    Of the 4, I think he’d rank 4th for me to trade, although I get the argument that Caratini could take over.

    26th man on the roster could be a 3rd C like D’Arnaud or Lucroy. That would spell Caratini to be DH/OF or Caratini at 1b.

    If KB wins the grievance, I assume he’ll be gone, if not, I think I could argue that Baez or Rizzo should be traded before Contreras or Bryant. Rizzo is older and 1B don’t seem to age as well. For all his value in leadership and clutchiness, he seemed to be a GB/GIDP machine especially later. I’d be tempted to move Schwarber to 1b.

    I love Baez in field and on bases, but I suspect he’ll have the steepest dropoff of all, possibly from an injury caused by a head first slide. Also I’m not convinced that the swing at everything approach will work forever. Contreras has better BB% numbers and slightly better K% iirc.

    Realmuto netted a starting rookie C and a highly rated P prospect, and a team top 20 P prospect for a year less of control than Contreras. Both P at A level. Also some IFA money to Miami. If that’s the return, I’d be tempted to keep everyone for another season. I’d think the Cubs would want a MLB ready player at SP, OF, or MI and prospects that are higher than A ball.

    It’ll be interesting to watch. I don’t see a clear answer.

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  2. BVS

    andcounting,

    None really. Theo talked about “real change.” Rumors from Cub beat reporters about KB being traded especially if the Cubs lose a year of control. Other rumors come from deductions that if overall salary isn’t increasing much, then a trade must happen. Appears there is only 20-30 million for FA signings after you cut Russell.

    I’d probably resign Strop late in the off season for $3M if he’s healthy and Kintlzer for $5M if they’d settle for that. I’d let Cishek walk since Joe probably wore him out. Maybe look at Will Harris too. Plus Scooter or Didi for 2b and an OF.

    I admit that I probably have too much allegiance to our roster.

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    andcounting

    BVS,

    Me too. I think there might be a causative relationship between the two. Biting your nails obviously causes Cub fandom.

    I do hate the idea of losing any of my favorite players, which is why I’m glad making that call isn’t my job. If they had to trade one of them, I’d ask who among them would other teams most likely overpay for? I think that’s definitely Kris Bryant.

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  4. BVS

    andcounting: Me too. I think there might be a causative relationship between the two. Biting your nails obviously causes Cub fandom.

    At least my obsession/habit is under control enough that the nail biting is limited to my fingers. Game 7 didn’t push me beyond that, so I think I’m clear.

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  5. WaLi

    dmick89,

    Me too 🙁 I guess him and Ross got into a spat years ago too? I wouldn’t think that would be a determining factor in sending a player out but it probably doesn’t help Ross say keep him as opposed to someone like Rizzo.

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  6. dmick89

    WaLi,

    Considering Willson’s age at the time and lack of experience, I think that could and should be overlooked. Apparently Ross was kind of an asshole when he was a young guy too so I’d like to think he could move on from that and evaluate the players based on how much they help the team win and not how much they help the manager’s ego.

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  7. WaLi

    Rizzo the Rat,

    Pretty damning shit. What would the punishment be though? Similar to the Patriots when they were caught cheating, draft picks and fine? Maybe put an asterisk on their 2017 WS.

    If every team is cheating like this, there wouldn’t be the noise surrounding the need to change up signals when playing the Astros. I think every team cheats to some degree but this seems to be a step above others.

    Rizzo the Rat,

    Makes so much sense that the Brewers would be included.

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  8. berselius

    EnricoPallazzo: you fuckers are gonna use this as an excuse to not make any new posts until february

    Don’t tell me what excuse to use, I can refuse to make any new posts until February on my own (dying laughing).

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  9. dmick89

    WaLi,

    I don’t know what you can do, but I’d favor a rule that clearly states any team that electronically steals signs gives up their two most recent first round picks as well as the next three first round picks. Along with that, the team should surrender its five best position players and five best pitchers under the age of 30. There’s probably nothing else a team can do that can have as large an impact on a game as stealing signs in this manner. The penalty should effectively make any Mlb team the equivalent of a minor league team in need of a massive rebuild. One last thing, each and every front office and on-field personnel who took part in the sign stealing should be banned for life. Fuck em.

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  10. Rizzo the Rat

    dmick89,

    It’s different this time. Last time they bought high on a player who had a lot of downside. Now it would be buying low on a player with some upside.

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  11. berselius

    Scott Boras assures us that Kris Bryant is open to an extension assuming the Cubs are willing to pay more than anyone else. Glad he cleared that up.

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  12. Ryno

    WaLi,

    Garrett ——————————-> suspended indefinitely
    Ogunjobi –> 1 game
    Pouncey ————> 3 games
    Rudolph (QB, not reindeer) –> fined

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  13. Smokestack Lightning

    Cubes and Javy apparently working on an extension.

    I wish I could be more excited about it, given all the things he does well. But I hate high Ks with low walks almost as much as I hate too-many groundballs, and he’s all of those things.

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  14. EnricoPallazzo

    Perkins: If they don’t quickly get better at developing players

    Honest question – Are the cubs legitimately awful at player development? Or are there just a few teams that are super good at it and thus the cubs look shitty in comparison (but are actually on par with the rest of the league?

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  15. dmick89

    The Brewers had a .534 OPS against Darvish this season. It was .397 last year and somehow he made just as many starts against them (2) as he did in 2019. Yelich is really just insulting his teammates. Everyone can hit Darvish except for the clowns I play with. You guys suck.

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  16. Perkins

    EnricoPallazzo,

    I think they’ve regressed – they haven’t fully developed a starting pitcher as long as this front office has been in place – they can take some credit for Arrieta (and maybe Hendricks), but those guys were close or in MLB already.

    On the positional side, I don’t know if it’s poor development or just rushing people to MLB to plug holes (e.g., Happ, Hoerner).

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  17. Rizzo the Rat

    In the first link of the Astros' front office to the sign-stealing scandal, Kevin Goldstein, a special assistant to Houston GM Jeff Luhnow, suggested in an email scouts spy on dugouts before the playoffs — and potentially use cameras to get signs. News: https://t.co/fmr3kB1KhQ

    — Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) November 17, 2019

    Well that’s a twist.

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  18. Rizzo the Rat

    I guess the real reason the Astros hired all those Baseball Prospectus writers was to advise them on how to cheat.

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  19. Smokestack Lightning

    AN ASTROS SCOUT: the Dodgers are a strong team

    JEFF LUHNOW: then I will have to do a crime

    SCOUT: I mean we have a good team too

    LUHNOW: a crime I shall do

    SCOUT: let’s just play the games and see what happens

    LUHNOW: crime time

    — Mike Gianella (@MikeGianella) November 17, 2019

    (dying laughing)

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