Last October, center fielder Daniel Carbonell Arredondo and infielder Orlando Perez Darias defected from Cuba. As far as I can tell, their defection has yet to be reported in the American press. Carbonell played for Camaguey in the Cuban National Series from the 2009-10 season through ’12-13. He was suspended last August prior to his successful defection. Carbonell is currently residing in Mexico has scheduled a workout with fifteen clubs next month. The Yankees and Blue Jays have already expressed interest.
Perez was a reserve infielder for Industriales in ’11-12, but failed to accumulate any statistics.
Racing Against the Clock
In order to sign with an MLB team as a free agent, Cuban defectors must first establish residency in a foreign country and then gain clearance from the US Treasury department. If Carbonell doesn’t complete this process by July 2nd, he will no longer be considered a professional by Major League Baseball.
For the last two years, Cuban defectors have been considered professionals and eligible for free agency as long as they were 23 years old and had played in Cuba’s Serie Nacional for at least three seasons. Starting in July 2014, in yet another bit of CBA capriciousness, players need to have played at least five seasons in order to qualify. Carbonell, even though he started in the Series at 18 years old, will no longer fit the bill.
In all signing periods following the 2013- 2014 signing period, Cuban players only will be exempt if they are 23 years of age and have played as a professional in a Cuban professional league for a minimum of five seasons.
If not approved before July 2nd, his signing bonus will count against a team’s allotted bonus pool in the 2014-2015 international free agency signing period, limiting the amount that teams may be willing to spend. Approval times vary. Yasiel Puig managed it in just a few months after his defection, but it can take considerably longer, particularly if there are any complications with paperwork.
Daniel Carbonell Stats
| Tm | Age | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | SB | CS | R | RBI | HBP | BB | SO | GIDP | SB% | lgSB% | |
| 2010 | Cmg | 19 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.50 |
| 2011 | Cmg | 20 | 199 | 174 | 51 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 39 | 19 | 2 | 19 | 28 | 2 | 0.60 | 0.52 |
| 2012 | Cmg | 21 | 222 | 195 | 53 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 2 | 38 | 23 | 6 | 16 | 38 | 3 | 0.82 | 0.53 |
| 2013 | Cmg | 22 | 96 | 87 | 27 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 16 | 15 | 2 | 5 | 21 | 1 | 0.60 | 0.53 |
| 2013.5 | Cmg | 22 | 127 | 111 | 32 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 24 | 13 | 6 | 10 | 11 | 1 | 0.75 | 0.49 |
| Totals | 645 | 568 | 163 | 28 | 4 | 9 | 24 | 10 | 119 | 70 | 16 | 50 | 98 | 7 | 0.71 | 0.52 |
| Age | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | OPS+ | BB% | K% | lgBB% | lgK% | |
| 2010 | 19 | 1 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | – | 0 | 0 | 9 | 12 |
| 2011 | 20 | 199 | 0.293 | 0.367 | 0.368 | 0.075 | 78 | 10 | 14 | 10 | 11 |
| 2012 | 21 | 222 | 0.272 | 0.344 | 0.374 | 0.102 | 87 | 7 | 17 | 9 | 12 |
| 2013 | 22 | 96 | 0.310 | 0.358 | 0.506 | 0.196 | 141 | 5 | 22 | 9 | 12 |
| 2013.5 | 22 | 127 | 0.288 | 0.378 | 0.405 | 0.117 | 101 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 11 |
| Totals | 645 | 0.287 | 0.359 | 0.398 | 0.111 | 94 | 8 | 15 | 9 | 11 |
Carbonell is an athletic center-fielder whose calling card is his speed.
He is very fast, much faster than Yasiel Puig.
His success rate on stolen bases is much higher than league average, but he didn’t run as much as one might expect, with only 34 attempts during his time in Cuba. On the whole, his numbers are less impressive than some previous defectors, but there are a few things to keep in mind:
- Due to the length of the Cuban season, and Carbonell’s relative youth in starting there we have a limited sample to work with, about one full season’s worth of plate appearances at the MLB level.
- Cuba’s season starts shortly after the MLB season ends and runs through May. What I list as the 2012 season started in November of 2011 and ran through May of 2012. I’ve chosen to use MLB’s age conventions; so while Carbonell is listed as 22 for 2012, he was actually only 21 until nearly the end of that season.
- In 2012, in an attempt to reduce offensive levels, Cuba raised the pitcher’s mound and shifted to a less-lively baseball. The bulk of his numbers in Cuba came in this environment.
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Given his age and athleticism, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs take a chance.
For more cuban defector profiles, go here. I’ll have more on Carbonell and comparisons to other recent defectors in the coming weeks.
Comments
No, this guy doesn’t do it for me. It feels like his upside is Junior Lake’s upside, and Lake is a lot closer to realizing that. The BP footage didn’t impress, and those Cuban samples are neither good enough or large enough to really impress. This feels like a $300-500k offer. I’m not at all convinced the hit tool plays at MLB.
JQuote Reply
J wrote:
That’s probably the right neighborhood. Dariel Alvarez and Hank Urrutia were around $800k; they were both older and less athletic.
GWQuote Reply
Seems like a 4th OF to me. I’d give him a low-6 offer but wouldn’t lose sleep if he didn’t take it.
MylesQuote Reply
The fuck? http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/phillies-accused-ben-wetzler-of-ncaa-rules-violations/
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@ Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect:
yeah, total dick move by the phils. he must have really pissed someone off in the negotiation process.
GWQuote Reply
GW wrote:
He must have asked how the Ryan Howard deal is working out for them.
Berselius, Cubs #12 prospectQuote Reply
Either defensive scheme is becoming less important or I’m beginning to realize that it’s not that important. It’s more about having a style and getting the best players on the field.
For example, the difference between the 3-4 and a 4-3 Under look is basically nothing. In a true 3-4, the NT lines up over the center. In a 4-3 Under, he shades to the gap between the center and the strong-side guard.
And while I’m typing my comment, this happens:
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The writing is on the wall for Bostic.
And I’ve read enough to do a new mock for the Bears.
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Bostic had a rough first year but jesus, he’s a better talent than Shea McClellin. MLB is incredibly hard for a rookie to play.
MylesQuote Reply
Top priority during free agency has to be bringing back Melton. Then on to addressing their needs with starters at every defensive position.
It’s difficult to do these mock off-seasons without knowing what the coaches know about player development. In CHI’s case, I’d like to know about the development of Khaseem Greene, Bostic, Cornelius Washington and David Bass. To me, that’s a developmental 3-4 LB core and it’s possible that they think drafting a DT completes their front 7.
Going by my pre-draft opinions of those guys, I’m going to say CHI should try to sign an impact starter at DE/OLB or S. I think the other positions can be fixed in the draft.
Brian Orakpo, Michael Bennett, Michael Johnson
Jairus Byrd, TJ Ward, Malcolm Jenkins
I’m going to predict they get Michael Bennett and draft accordingly…
14 S CALVIN PRYOR LOUISVILLE
51 CB KYLE FULLER VIRGINIA TECH
82 DT DAQUAN JONES PENN STATE
113 CB BASHAUD BREELAND CLEMSON
144 S MARQUESTON HUFF WYOMING
That off-season, imo, turns the Bears defense from one of the three worst in the NFL last year to maybe the best in the division.
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Assuming no FA additions…
14 DE KONY EALY MISSOURI
51 S ED REYNOLDS STANFORD
82 CB TERRANCE MITCHELL OREGON
113 DT CARAUN REID PRINCETON
144 CB ANTONE EXUM VIRIGNIA TECH
Drop off from Bennett to Ealy and Pryor to Reynolds, but not much else.
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@ Myles:
It’s hard when you’re QBing the defense, but didn’t Briggs do that? Other than that, it’s pretty instinctive. To be honest, though, I didn’t watch enough of CHI to know why Bostic didn’t fare well.
All I know is that comment points to concern. CJ Mosly, Yawin Smallwood, Borland, Skov and Christian Jones just became draft candidates for CHI.
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@ Like You Care:
Wow advanced stats hated Bostic. Didn’t realize he did that bad.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=LB
WaLiQuote Reply
This is a website you should visit for Cubs Spring Training Stuff. Tim Sheridan puts out pretty great stuff.
http://boysofspring.com/
MylesQuote Reply
@ WaLi:
The key going forward is why, though. Was he physically outmatched? Mental lapses? Missed assignments?
CHI fans who watched will know if he’s salvageable, but the coaching staff doesn’t seem to think so.
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I didn’t even realize Bostic’s stock had fallen so quickly. I figured he was just a rookie playing too soon.
EdwinQuote Reply
In my opinion, Bostic has the physicality and athletic ability to play the position. He’s fast as hell and he hits like a hammer. That being said, he has unbelievably bad gap discipline and combine that with the terrible defensive line the Bears had and he was constantly out of position. I think he was abused on cut back runs and I think teams knew that and ran a lot of misdirection and cut back runs. This is just my opinion though.
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@ Mucker:
Melton returning and swapping Peppers with Bennett/Ealy will help that. The rest is on him, and that can be a tough thing to overcome. If he’s blowing his assignment because he’s too aggressive, that can be fixed.
The other thing, as you know, is “vision.” It’s why Frank Gore is still productive. LBs have to play gaps just like RBs do (especially on zone runs).
So I’d defer to Mucker on whether Bostic is the answer at MLB. He seems athletic enough to move outside if they drafted CJ Mosley.
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Next we’ll see the Phillies return Carbonell to Cuba.
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J wrote:
I gotta agree. We spent a ton on Jorge Soler and Geraldo Concepcion, both relatively inexperienced, and neither seems to have panned out. I think, as far as IFA are concerned, the Cubs should choose the experienced guy with less upside.
I’m happy the Cubs have avoided the urge to impulse buy this offseason. In 2012, we gave 4 years and 40+ million to Edwin Jackson plus 5.5 million to Scott Baker. Baker had 3 starts in all of 2013. Edwin Jackson broke the single-inning record for wild pitches in an inning and lead the NL in losses.
There must have been a temptation to repeat those mistakes and speed up the process, and I think he made the right decision. Even if Jackson and Baker matched career years, the Cubs would have won about nine more games, still more than 10 games under .500.
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Figures the Wifi signal is stronger at the front of the plane. Fucking class discrimination alive and well at 32,000 feet.
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Pezcore wrote:
I don’t know that I’d say Soler hasn’t panned out given that he’s still registering as a top prospect. And I don’t think we can properly evaluate Concepcion until he fully recovers from his bout with mono.
JasonQuote Reply
@ Like You Care:
I think if he had a better D line in front of him, then he wouldn’t have been so exposed and could grow into the position. I do believe he’s too aggressive. A LBs first step should always be forward but with him it seems his first 5 steps are always forward.
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@ Sk on a plane:
lmao
WaLiQuote Reply
@ Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect:
Where was “Some pliers, motha fucka!”?
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@ Mucker:
Seems like some coaching and offseason DLine attention should do the trick.
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@ Jason:
Well, the good news is that his horrid start got him removed from the 40-man, and the Cubs quickly signed him to a minor league deal so there is no pressure to rush him to the majors.
I thought for a while that the Cubs would be able to outright the guy somewhere down the line — I didn’t expect it to happen this soon.
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“But Ricketts fell far short of explaining where the fifth-highest revenues in the sport are being spent as the baseball operation — which killed an offseason by setting aside $20 million in 2014 budget to make the run at Japanese free agent Masahiro Tanaka that ultimately couldn’t compete with the New York Yankees — deals with a decade-low payroll.”
Anyone have any clue what the fuck this means? Tanaka’s posting fee that they didn’t pay “killed an offseason”?
GBTSQuote Reply
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/25702821-419/ricketts-answers-dont-explain-cubs-lower-payroll-spending.html
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@ GBTS:
I’m guessing he means that they had to hold back that money until Tanaka was decided when they could have been spending back at, say, the winter meetings.
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GWQuote Reply
Capuano —-> Red Sox ($2.25 million)
GWQuote Reply
GBTS wrote:
So, the author thinks we should spend 45 million on Edwin Jackson again?
PezcoreQuote Reply
Is the guy in the headline pic wearing a crop top?
akabariQuote Reply
GW wrote:
You’ve really killed it with the international coverage over the last year, GW. Just some fine work that you’ve done.
I re-read a bunch of your articles on this last evening and this morning after an unfortunate event led me to the ER and an overnight hospital stay. I know I’ve complimented you on this before, but I really think it’s deserving.
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@ Pezcore:
You’ve got to start spending at some point. We can, and should, argue whether a specific deal was necessary, but this idea that you can easily go from 65 to 95 wins in one year is unlikely. I keep hearing they have to wait until so and so is at the big league level. Maybe, but what if they just aren’t that good? Considering that is probably the most likely outcome of these prospects, I think it’s been paid less than the necessary attention it should be.
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I hear a lot of local radio that defends the lack of spending. I do think that at some point you have to try to create a winning culture for your prospects to move into. As was said above, teams typically don’t go from 65 to 95 wins. I think there’s value in putting young players in situations that matter. Anyone who watched the Cubs in the ’07 and ’08 playoffs should realize that the tension gets to players and being on the Cubs is harder than being on other teams. You need cool-ass veterans who don’t crumble under pressure like everyone who has put on a Cubs uniform in the last 100 years.
If signing Ubaldo or Ervin Santana to 4/$50m actually hinders this teams payroll in 2016, then god help us all. We’ll never get past the Cards or Dodgers if that’s the case.
JQuote Reply
Well Johnny Manziel didn’t quite make it to 6 feet (5116), but his hands are probably the biggest of the QBs at 9 7/8.
For reference, Blake Bortles’ (6050, 232 lbs.) measured 9 3/8.
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I just try and look ahead, and I figure that even if Baez and Bryant come up around the same time and are both 4 WAR players, if they’re replacing two 1 WAR players, it’s only a 6 net WAR improvement. So if the True Talent Level of team is 72, then they’re still only at 78 wins, which is closer, but it still means they need to spend a ton in FA just to be in contention. It’s not like Baez and Bryant get called up, they sign a FA or 2, and suddenly they’re favorites to win the division.
Granted, that’s pretty flimsy napkin math I’m doing, but I feel like if the Cubs wait for their farm system to turn them into an 80-85 true talent level team before adding signifigant FA, they’ll either never get there and find themselves in a holding pattern of “tanking”, or they won’t get there until 2017.
EdwinQuote Reply
Edwin wrote:
Essentially exactly how I feel.
MylesQuote Reply
@ Myles:
I really like what you did in your Quiet Optimism post. I think it’d be interesting to try and forecast the Cubs for 2015 and 2016. I fully understand the lack of reliablility of such an exercise, but I’d be interested in finding out how likely/unlikely it would be for the Cubs to contend in 2016 with at least some type of modeling behind it, instead of the “Prospects should be up by then, and a couple FA will be signed”.
EdwinQuote Reply
New Boise Hawks hats are kind of cool
Berselius, Cubs #12 prospectQuote Reply
@ all re: Cub spending
I think the common sense understanding of the ST article and Ricketts’ odd quotes is that
internally the Cubs “budgeted” a figure for a major signing, like Tanaka, but knew they could
not compete with LA or NY. That way, the PR department could say “gosh, golly, we set aside
a lot of money to sign Tanaka, but could not pull the trigger.” It is sort of the same logic that
a Union soldier on the front lines of Pickett’s Charge telling his commander that he is saving his
bullets for later “in case he needs them.”
I believe the mish-mash explanations from the Cubs in regard to spending is mostly a cover
because the true intent was never to spend more money on payroll. The Cubs may have had a top 5 revenue, but that has been declining because attendance has been lower. The Cubs just refinanced their purchase debt, so that still comes with $35 million plus in debt service and probably more restrictive loan covenants on baseball spending. In addition, the Cubs have doubled their administrative costs under Ricketts, who also bought lots of land around Wrigley Field that has associated costs.
When Ricketts bought the Cubs, it was under the family understanding that the business had to be self contained – – – no further capital infusions. High payrolls, dead money contracts and losing teams more likely results in losses rather than profits. Adding to these financial pressures is Ricketts own mindset that he believes the rooftops are taking away revenue from “his” team; that the neighborhood bars around Wrigley are taking away “his” drinking customers in the hours before games start. At some point I think we will see Ricketts show up at Cub convention, unshaven, fiddling with marbles in one hand, and complaining about missing strawberries.
TheStealthGMQuote Reply
Adolfo —> considering retirement after 2014
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TheStealthGM wrote:
(dying laughing)
I wonder how Theo feels about the situation. He’s never going to be honest to the media and his half-ass attempt to say they may “book” some of the available dollars this offseason for later was funny. I’m very skeptical of an MLB or any sports owners not spending money so that he can spend it later. If you set aside $30 million and it doesn’t get spent, next year’s payroll is not going to be higher by that $30 million.
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@ dmick89, Sweatpants Guru:
>Go down to Chase
>Open savings account with $30 Million Dollars for a “Christmas Fund”
>Make like $15 in interest before next year
>????
>Profit!
akabariQuote Reply
@ Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect:
Is the red supposed be a trail of blood left by the raking of talons? Seems a little graphic for a baseball hat.
EdwinQuote Reply
Mucker, must read: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
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Fulfilling my baseball quota: http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/2/21/5431592/mlb-starting-lineups-rotations-al-west
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To make it relevant, I did the same for the Cubs…after I looked up the roster. They weren’t as funny, so I just put the ones that weren’t boring.
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alberto cabrera bread and butter
james macdonald church
travis wood silicon valley bank
INF
luis valbuena bat flip
OF
ryan sweeney natasha lampson
matt szczur al yellon showed penis
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@ Like You Care:
(dying laughing)
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ORLY?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaWbSufCcAAs981.jpg[/img]
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btw,
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bahw5vbCcAEAlyn.jpg[/img]
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@ Like You Care:
Wow. Did that really just slip by the people putting that together? Just wow.
dmick89, Sweatpants GuruQuote Reply
@ Like You Care:
Call me crazy, but I fucking hate Krispy Kreme. Thin, overly sweet, and just…ugh.
I feel like they give away so many at the store because they know no one will eat them the moment they aren’t hot anymore.
I’d rather eat a gas station doughnut.
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@ Like You Care:
You know, I agree with that guy. Although Clowney could probably play 4-3 DE, putting him anywhere other than 3-4 OLB pass rusher should be a crime. I don’t see any LT in the league that can get out wide fast enough to block him from the 9 technique. I can’t wait for him to play in the NFL. I’m going to watch him on every snap.
MuckerQuote Reply
@ dmick89, Sweatpants Guru:
Maybe they were all too busy eating Krispy Kreme wheat donuts.
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@ akabari:
Little chocolate donuts. That’s it.
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@ Mucker:
Or just a wide-9 DE. Like I said yesterday, though, I don’t think scheme matters as much as philosophy anymore. Look at SF. Their base defense consists of (what they played in college):
NT: DT
5-Tech: DE, DE
OLB: DE, MLB
ILB: MLB, OLB
CB: CB, FS
S: SS, SS
I’ve also said HOU should take Clowney just to put him next to Watt. What do you do on offense when your LT has Clowney over his left shoulder and Watt over his right? Run counters away from them all game? Split ’em up and you have 80% of your oline blocking two guys.
Keep Matt Schaub with that defense and tell him he’ll be fine if he can lead the offense to a couple of FGs and not throw an INT.
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aggy WR might have jumped Sammy Watkins as top WR just by being measured. If he runs what I think he’ll run, he’ll go early.
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HOU passing on Clowney and the Rams taking him scares the shit out of me. They’ll line up Clowney, Robert Quinn, Chris Long and Michael Brockers and it won’t really matter who else.
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Lucchino keeps finding new ways to troll (dying laughing)
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/21/larry-lucchino-wants-bud-selig-to-stay-on-after-2014/
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@ Like You Care:
Clowney and Watt on the same team would be so much fun. I don’t think the HOU front office has the balls to weather fan discontent and keep Schaub though – this is the same team that fired Kubiak something like 5 years too late. He’s a much better QB than he was last year.
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@ Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect:
It will be interesting for sure. This is the team that passed on the perfect fit in Vince Young for Mario Williams.
What will be really interesting to me is what happens if HOU takes Clowney and then Derek Carr lasts through the first round.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/21/sources-browns-nearly-traded-for-jim-harbaugh/
OK, then.
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@ Like You Care:
Wow
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I agree that Krispy Kreme donuts suck dick
Suburban kidQuote Reply
Javier Baez breaks windows.
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhCUo0fCEAAoSE3.jpg:large[/img]
GWQuote Reply
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg9glEyCAAAfUJ6.jpg[/img]
GWQuote Reply
@ GW:
That smile suggests he sees something he can hammer.
Or that an ice cream truck just drove across the outfield.
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/21/dodgers-sign-erisbel-arruebarruena-to-five-year-deal/
Seems like a lot of money for a guy who seems to be all glove. You hear anything about this guy, GW? Apologies in advance for not reading every word if this was in an earlier post.
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@ Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect:
yep. been meaning to write him up, but i’m trying to come up with my own Cuban defensive metric, which may be a fool’s errand.
maybe i’ll post his offensive stats. (spoiler alert: not too promising)
GWQuote Reply
Berselius, Cubs #12 prospect wrote:
Too bad Harry isn’t around to announce this name!
Alllrright, Steve, up next is, um, Airy’sball Arruu…Arruuba…Arruuba–ba-ba. Well, Aruba is up and that’s the second strike by him now….
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@ Like You Care:
[img]http://www.ilyke.net/uploads/2012/04/26/sub/3646-large-3646-3982239_700b.jpg[/img]
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new shit:
http://obstructedview.net/commentary-and-analysis/erisbel-arruebarruena-stats-aledmys-diaz-and-alexander-guerrero-comps.html
GWQuote Reply
@dmick89,
It is more interesting that the $30 million figure is about the same amount for
last amounts of dead money contracts for 2014 ($14.5 million) and current players who will be free agents in 2015 ($16.0 million).
I project the 2015 base payroll to be around $56.3 million, which is getting close to crazy Marlins territory.
TheStealthGMQuote Reply
I see Soriano I don’t know what you guys are talking about. When you consider his speed and those hands id pay him more than either SS can’t hit v
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@ J:
Check out his new video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3OpgaDQpI0&feature=youtu.be
Jason KleinQuote Reply
Carbonell is the real deal. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3OpgaDQpI0
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@ J:
Carbonell is the real deal. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3OpgaDQpI0
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