Getting to Know: David DeJesus

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Name: David DeJesus

Position: Right Field

Batting Order Position: 1st? 2nd?

Bats/Throws: Left/Left

Opening Day Age: 32

Uniform Number: Well, 9 (KC) is currently taken by Blake DeWitt and 12 (Oakland) is Alfonso Soriano. Maybe 12 will free up soon?

Is David DeJesus on Twitter?: Yes he is.  Go ahead and give him a follow at @spideysabeast12. 

UPDATE: Looks like he changed his handle to @David_DeJesus3. If you already followed the Spidey one, it carries over, but now that link is dead.

Is his wife on Twitter?: Yes she is, and she is very excited about her hubby becoming a Cub:

I was born a cubs fan, and now im married to one!!!!!! 🙂 COULDNT BE MORE EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!

She can be found (on Twitter) at @KimDeJesus12

What the hell is this “Spidey” stuff?: According to his wife, Spidey is the nickname for their 18-month old son that David gave to him while she was pregnant.  (You won’t get this kind of critical information at BCB, folks.)

Is his wife hot? Um…. yeah. She is objectively pretty hot. Now you’re definitely clicking on that Twitter link, aren’t you?

Kimmy_DeJesus

Baseball-Reference.com’s Most Similar Batter: Marlon Byrd (weird, huh?)

Why we might like him: 

  • He knows how to take a walk.
  • He knows how to run the bases without making stupid outs all the damn time.
  • He knows how to catch and throw the ball without allowing the other team extra outs all the damn time.

Why we might hate him:

  • This probably means that Tyler Colvin’s time in Chicago is coming to an end. (While I don’t think that is a bad thing, I’m not looking forward to the teeth gnashing.)
  • He doesn’t hit for a heck of a lot of power and he’s reportedly going to be a corner outfielder, so that isn’t going to sit well with many fans.

If you rearrange the letters in his name you get: “DEAD SUDS JIVE”

What Cubs Blogosphere Thinks of Him:

Another allure? I get to say “Nobody F’s with the DeJesus” over and over again this year. I can’t wait until the first Enhanced Box Score where DeJesus has a good game… On the balance, it’s a solid move. Not earth-moving, but a good first step. I suspect it’s but one piece of a large, very exciting puzzle.

It’s not that I’m advocating bringing back Fukudome, for one he’s three years older, but it’s hard to see where this improves the team much from the last few years and when you’re at the bottom looking up, that should be the goal. But since this is just move #1 of what I presume to be quite a few more before the offseason ends, we’ll have to reserve some of the judgement on this to a later date. For one, they could be planning to trade Byrd and replacing him with DeJesus and I think that’s a bit of an upgrade. Soriano might be on his way out as well and you do need someone to play these outfield positions. Plus you have to save money somewhere if they do plan to make a run at Fielder or Pujols.

DeJesus will be 32 years old for the 2012 season and is coming off a down year in Oakland where he hit 240/323/376 (309 wOBA) on the year. In his seven seasons in Kansas City, DeJesus put up a line of 289/360/426 (342 wOBA), which looks better but is still only slightly above average for a corner outfielder. In fact, those numbers look awfully similar to a former red headed Cub left fielder that went on to have success in Japan this past season.


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  1. mb21

    I’m not sure I understand why people are looking at this compared to what Fukudome was without considering the savings. The Cubs essentially got Fukudome and paid half price.

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  2. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]I’m not sure I understand why people are looking at this compared to what Fukudome was without considering the savings. The Cubs essentially got Fukudome and paid half price.[/quote]Yeah, I didn’t get that either, but he did acknowledge the savings at the end that may or may not be a part of a grander plan.

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  3. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]I’m not sure I understand why people are looking at this compared to what Fukudome was without considering the savings. The Cubs essentially got Fukudome and paid half price.[/quote]Trying to understand the illogic of Cubs fans is like being placed in a round room and being told to piss in the corner.

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  4. Aisle424

    [quote name=josh]I don’t know. His wife isn’t really doing anything for me. She seems blandly attractive, I guess.[/quote]
    I’ll flag this one myself.

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  5. Aisle424

    [quote name=Snyds01]I just read the bcb thread about Aisley ripping rosenbloom…my head hurts from all the ignorance over there[/quote]
    That’s got to be over a year old.

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  6. Snyds01

    [quote name=Aisle424]That’s got to be over a year old.[/quote]
    it is, but my work blocks twitter and I heard you were doing a bit of flirting, so I thought Id search and see if I could find a way around the block…and found that

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  7. mb21

    [quote name=Aisle424]Yeah, I didn’t get that either, but he did acknowledge the savings at the end that may or may not be a part of a grander plan.[/quote]That’s the thing though, it’s obviously part of a grander plan. This is the first acquisition of the offseason. There’s nearly an entire offseason left. Even if this is all they do, I still think it’s a good deal.

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  8. Aisle424

    [quote name=Snyds01]it is, but my work blocks twitter and I heard you were doing a bit of flirting, so I thought Id search and see if I could find a way around the block…and found that[/quote]
    (dying laughing) I tried a little good-natured snark and she didn’t seem to get it.

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  9. mb21

    [quote name=Snyds01]I just read the bcb thread about Aisley ripping rosenbloom…my head hurts from all the ignorance over there[/quote]link?

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  10. Mercurial Outfielder

    Wow @ that Sandusky civil complaint. Molested the accuser 100 times. That’s horrifying. They should hang this fucker from a gibbet in Boston harbor.

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  11. Suburban kid

    I kind of see what josh is saying. She’s not not hot, but take away all the grooming and she’s not that not not hot.

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  12. Aisle424

    [quote name=Suburban kid]I kind of see what josh is saying. She’s not not hot, but take away all the grooming and she’s not that not not hot.[/quote]
    I’m not putting her on my Top 5 or anything, but she’s pretty damn hot.

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  13. Mercurial Outfielder

    Seeing as I’m so damn brick ugly that my face once made a donkey bray, I try and refrain from commenting on the attractiveness of others.

    Except for Paul Sullivan, who is so androdgenously ugly he gives inbreds a bad name

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  14. Berselius

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Seeing as I’m so damn brick ugly that my face once made a donkey bray, I try and refrain from commenting on the attractiveness of others.

    Except for Paul Sullivan, who is so androdgenously ugly he gives inbreds a bad name[/quote]
    Ah, so you’re the one who took this picture then

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  15. mb21

    [quote name=Suburban kid]I kind of see what josh is saying. She’s not not hot, but take away all the grooming and she’s not that not not hot.[/quote]Yeah, she’s not the hottest chick I’ve ever seen or even close to it, but she’s certainly much better looking than the average person.

    Everybody has different tastes though.

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  16. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Berselius]Ah, so you’re the one who took this picture then

    [/quote]No man on earth takes more awkward pictures than Lance Berkman. Ye gods.

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  17. Rice Cube

    I have to agree with the majority that Kim DeJesus is hot. Not super-hot, but definitely someone to whom I’d like to make an acquaintance.

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  18. mb21

    If the Cubs trade Tyler Colvin now, Jesus could wear #21. It’s about time someone who can play every day wore Sosa’s uniform number again. I think all the Cubs players should wear #21 from now on.

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  19. mb21

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I have to agree with the majority that Kim DeJesus is hot. Not super-hot, but definitely someone to whom I’d like to make an acquaintance.[/quote]I don’t have time for acquaintances. I only have time for something that takes 2 minutes. I”m a busy man.

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  20. mb21

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]No man on earth takes more awkward pictures than Lance Berkman. Ye gods.[/quote]I disagree. Here are two examples.

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  21. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]If the Cubs trade Tyler Colvin now, Jesus could wear #21. It’s about time someone who can play every day wore Sosa’s uniform number again. I think all the Cubs players should wear #21 from now on.[/quote]Yes. But only if they phonily hustle and hit home runs that are only self-serving and don’t help the team, and that are hit when the game doesn’t count.

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  22. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]I disagree. Here are two examples.

    [/quote]But that’s only one awkward photo. Berkman has taken a baker’s dozen of these things.

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  23. GBTS

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]But that’s only one awkward photo. Berkman has taken a baker’s dozen of these things.[/quote]I like how MO has basically asked MB if he can post more of those two without actually saying it. Ingenious.

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  24. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=GBTS]I like how MO has basically asked MB if he can post more of those two without actually saying it. Ingenious.[/quote]You forgot:

    /BOOM. Lawyered.

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  25. mb21

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]But that’s only one awkward photo. Berkman has taken a baker’s dozen of these things.[/quote]I’m going to go out on a limb and say that these two have more than one bizarre photo. (dying laughing)

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  26. Mish

    I guess I have the lowest standards here. I think she’s hot, without any caveats or warnings or disclaimers. No “well she’s not in my Top 5” or “if she didn’t have makeup…”, etc. Just. Hot.

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  27. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]I’m going to go out on a limb and say that these two have more than one bizarre photo. (dying laughing)[/quote]I think that’s a short limb. (dying laughing)

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  28. bubblesdachimp

    [quote name=GBTS]I hope the DeJesus’s know this blog is discredited.[/quote]I mean when you marry a broad that hot you know a lot of people going to focus on that

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  29. Aisle424

    [quote name=Mish]I guess I have the lowest standards here. I think she’s hot, without any caveats or warnings or disclaimers. No “well she’s not in my Top 5” or “if she didn’t have makeup…”, etc. Just. Hot.[/quote]
    My Top 5 is not easy to break into. Seeing as Jennifer Aniston has been on it since the concept of Top 5 lists became part of popular culture on Friends.

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  30. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Mish]I guess I have the lowest standards here. I think she’s hot, without any caveats or warnings or disclaimers. No “well she’s not in my Top 5” or “if she didn’t have makeup…”, etc. Just. Hot.[/quote]Yeah, but you’d fuck anything that moves.

    /standard troll response

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  31. Mish

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Yeah, but you’d fuck anything that moves.

    /standard troll response[/quote]
    No, that’s pretty much true.

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  32. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]If the Cubs trade Tyler Colvin now, Jesus could wear #21. It’s about time someone who can play every day wore Sosa’s uniform number again. I think all the Cubs players should wear #21 from now on.[/quote]I know there’s about a 95% chance that you’re joking, but I really hate that they just give Sosa’s number away like that.

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  33. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    [quote name=Mish]I guess I have the lowest standards here. I think she’s hot, without any caveats or warnings or disclaimers. No “well she’s not in my Top 5” or “if she didn’t have makeup…”, etc. Just. Hot.[/quote]I’d put her picture in the Superfriends over Crane Kenney

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  34. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]I’d put her picture in the Superfriends over Crane Kenney[/quote]I’d put Lance Berkman in there instead of Kenney.

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  35. Aisle424

    [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]The way HOF voters have treated Raines is unconscionable.[/quote]
    Yeah, I’m hoping that the absence of any good new first ballot guys will make it easier to look at Raines and say, “He WAS pretty fucking good!”

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  36. binky

    [quote name=Aisle424]At some point, if you get too many Faget points on a post, the green goes away.[/quote]I think the function died. Too many people disliked me and broke the internet. Serves you all right.

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  37. binky

    I’m sorry Kim DeJesus and her dead eyes and manface don’t do anything for me. I’ll try to revise my standards of beauty to better conform to averages from here on out.

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  38. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=jtsunami]By my count, josh will not be eating dinner until Spring Training.[/quote]If “dinner” is what you like to call it, then, yeah.

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  39. Hipster Ricketts

    [quote name=josh]I’m sorry Kim DeJesus and her dead eyes and manface don’t do anything for me. I’ll try to revise my standards of beauty to better conform to averages from here on out.[/quote]Some of us are connoisseurs, josh. The others just don’t understand.

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  40. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=Hipster Ricketts]Some of us are connoisseurs, josh. The others just don’t understand.[/quote]

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  41. mb21

    [quote name=Aisle424]At some point, if you get too many Faget points on a post, the green goes away.[/quote]I changed something awhile back and it caused that. Now I can’t remember what I changed. (dying laughing)

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  42. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    [quote name=GBTS]https://twitter.com/#!/NotTomRicketts/status/142004737653489664

    (dying laughing)[/quote]
    “@KimDeJesus12
    @NotTomRicketts @bleedcubbieblue hahah uh oh! I smell trouble!”

    (dying laughing)

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  43. Aisle424

    [quote name=mb21]Josh has gotten a lot of negative faget points in this thread. Poor guy.[/quote]
    It’s the only way he’ll learn.

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  44. Mercurial Outfielder

    [quote name=mb21]Josh has gotten a lot of negative faget points in this thread. Poor guy.[/quote]The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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  45. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]Josh has gotten a lot of negative faget points in this thread. Poor guy.[/quote]Shouldn’t all his posts that have been negatively fageted turn the color of shame?

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  46. binky

    [quote name=mb21]Josh has gotten a lot of negative faget points in this thread. Poor guy.[/quote]Y’all can’t hurt me. I’ll go stare at pictures of Christina Hendricks and everything will be all right. You can have Kim DeJesus.

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  47. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Y’all can’t hurt me. I’ll go stare at pictures of Christina Hendricks and everything will be all right. You can have Kim DeJesus.[/quote]Christina Hendricks is also hawt.

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  48. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    [quote name=Twitter]Frank Thomas signs Big Hurt Beer 12/8 from 6p-8p / Grand Champagne Tasting 12/15 5p-8p $20 @BinnysBev Bolingbrook.[/quote](dying laughing)

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  49. mb21

    [quote name=mb21]I changed something awhile back and it caused that. Now I can’t remember what I changed. (dying laughing)[/quote]It’s fixed now.

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  50. mb21

    [quote name=josh]Y’all can’t hurt me. I’ll go stare at pictures of Christina Hendricks and everything will be all right. You can have Kim DeJesus.[/quote]I’ll take Christina Hendricks too. Hendricks plus DeJesus would be pretty awesome.

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  51. C: BTFTC

    [quote name=mb21]I’ll take Christina Hendricks too. Hendricks plus DeJesus would be pretty awesome.[/quote]Clearly, you are Inspector Dreyfus to josh’s Jacques Clouseau

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  52. Kurt

    [quote name=mb21]I’ll take Christina Hendricks too. Hendricks plus DeJesus would be pretty awesome.[/quote]I will kill you with my racist bible.

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  53. Aisle424

    Al has weighed in:

    Two years? I thought new management was trying to get away from deals like that for players who were past their primes.

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  54. Mish

    Two years? I thought new management was trying to get away from deals like that for players who were past their primes.

    WTF. Does this guy cover baseball?

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  55. Al Yellon

    [quote name=Mish]WTF. Does this guy cover baseball?[/quote]I am interested in sports and have many strong opinions about them.

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  56. C: BTFTC

    [quote name=cdw]Glad this finally made it over here. You former ACBers have gotten lazy.[/quote]Shut it, Brainy Smurf. Maybe it’s phenomenology.

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  57. binky

    [quote name=Mish]Uh, yeah, that’s the point.[/quote]Yeah, it is the point. if we’re touching our weiners, Kim ——> No chubby; Christina ——–> Chubby. I have no other measure of hotness. It’s neither objective nor rational.

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  58. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Yeah, it is the point. if we’re touching our weiners, Kim ——> No chubby; Christina ——–> Chubby. I have no other measure of hotness. It’s neither objective nor rational.[/quote]You should just brown-bag her then and look at her boobs.

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  59. eccles2

    U guys are a gaggle of pigtizzles. Lee Tammers, MAry Gerdle and I said so many tiems as we wrote and sang Cubs songs in the bleachers while MB21 made and used many incorrect numbers incorrectly.

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  60. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]You should just brown-bag her then and look at her boobs.[/quote]The fuck is the point of that? I can see equal or greater boobs free right now anywhere on the internet. Naked ones. Ones in the midst of sexual activity, even. Why do I need hers? Either she brings something to the fap table or she doesn’t. She doesn’t for me.

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  61. mb21

    [quote name=josh]It’s not like we’re seriously discussing who our life partners or even who our actual sexual partners could be.[/quote]Yeah, those women are so much uglier than my wife.

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  62. binky

    [quote name=mb21]Yeah, those women are so much uglier than my wife.[/quote]Uglier, prettier, it doesn’t really matter. Since we’re reducing them to sexual objects, I can’t get anything going for Kim DeJesus. I can acknowledge that her breasts are large, judging by the outfits she wears (maybe she has high quality bras, it’s sometimes hard to tell) and that her body is physically fit. To me, those things alone don’t constitute “hot” measured by fappiness. I’m not really looking to upgrade or cheat on my wife. I don’t think she’s interested in letting me pursue Christina Hendricks as a sexual partner. So it’s pretty much just me looking at women and gut reaction deciding if i am attracted to them or not. Kim, not. I don’t see why that means I have “too high” of standards. I don’t want to think about her while I touch myself That’s pretty much all it means.

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  63. josh penis

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I think you and your penis are overthinking this, Josh (dying laughing)

    To each their own.[/quote]Fuck you.

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  64. mb21

    Josh, by the way, you don’t have to explain yourself. You don’t like her. I’m sure each of us find women hot who others don’t. Just how it goes.

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  65. mb21

    There, we need to round this thread out with some more search terms that will lead a bunch of freaks to this thread. (dying laughing)

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  66. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]There, we need to round this thread out with some more search terms that will lead a bunch of freaks to this thread. (dying laughing)[/quote]Too late.

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  67. cdw

    Looks like you guys don’t need an SEO consultant. I feel manipulated into finding this place. Disingenuous. There is only passing discussion of Aliens dressed as hitler raping Rob G’s son while Kurt sits in the corner of BCB fingering the cyst on his anal glands.

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  68. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I think you and your penis are overthinking this, Josh (dying laughing)

    To each their own.[/quote]I was banned for life, and a political movement started specifically to challenge whether I was justified.

    I felt like I had to defend my position, or at least get a refund on my subscription fee by mentioning keyword “masturbation.”

    Jenna Jameson hot nude pics. Sorry, just helping out the SEO there.

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  69. Al Yellon

    [quote name=josh]I was banned for life, and a political movement started specifically to challenge whether I was justified.

    I felt like I had to defend my position, or at least get a refund on my subscription fee by mentioning keyword “masturbation.”

    Jenna Jameson hot nude pics. Sorry, just helping out the SEO there.[/quote]The political discussion will stop NOW.

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  70. Bobby Valentine

    [quote name=ACT]Wow, these Venezuelan players have ads all over their uniforms.[/quote]There had better not be any for sunflower seeds.

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  71. binky

    [quote name=ACT]Or maybe every player on one team is named “Coca-Cola.”[/quote]I see that happening in the US, eventually.

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  72. New Gingrich

    [quote name=josh]I see that happening in the US, eventually.[/quote]It’s easier than relaxing these pesky child labor laws.

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  73. binky

    I meant branding on the shirts, but also, everyone named Coca-Cola. Like in Jennifer Government, a book I’ve never read.

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  74. Boobs McGee

    [quote name=Rodrigo]There’s a lot of talk about women this thread… Especially for a bunch of fagets.[/quote]I agree.

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  75. Aisle424

    She has gone from around 600 followers when the day started to 1200 as of right now. She really has no idea what sort of creepiness she’s in store for.

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  76. Al Yellon

    [quote name=Aisle424]She has gone from around 600 followers when the day started to 1200 as of right now. She really has no idea what sort of creepiness she’s in store for.[/quote]/heavy breathing

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  77. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Aisle424]She has gone from around 600 followers when the day started to 1200 as of right now. She really has no idea what sort of creepiness she’s in store for.[/quote]I’m sure that she knows how smoking hot she is and can probably handle Mish.

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  78. Jay

    Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
    Mother mother fuck. Mother mother fuck fuck. Mother fuck mother fuck.
    Noise noise noise.
    1 2 1 2 3 4
    Noise noise noise.
    Smokin weed, smokin weed.
    Doin’ coke, drinkin beers.
    Drinkin beers, beers beers.
    Rollin’ fatties, smokin blunts.
    Who smokes the blunts? We smoke the blunts.
    Rollin’ blunts and smokin um’

    15 bucks, little man, put that shit in my hand.
    If that money doesn’t show then you owe me owe me owe.
    My jungle love.
    Oh e oh e oh.
    I think I wanna know ya know ya … yeah, what.

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  79. Jay

    What do you look so shocked for, man? Fat bastard does this all the time. He thinks just ’cause he doesn’t say anything, it’ll have some huge impact when he does open his fuckin’ mouth

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  80. DamageControlFreak

    [quote name=Smokestack Lightning]It’s not often I agree with Rick Morrissey, but man, every fucking word on this:

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/9164137-419/cubs-should-ignore-stop-sign-go-for-albert-pujols.html%5B/quote%5D
    I find it easy to disagree with him here. His only argument is “I want Pujols, just sign him for whatever money”.
    Well, I don’t think so.

    1. Big dollar contract = big risk.
    It’s beyond me how someone could even consider the possibilty that Pujols (or anyone else for that matter) could maintain a value of $30 million/year over the course of a 8 yr contract. So if people are already factoring in overpaying him over the course of the contract… well, to what end exactly?

    2. The Cubs have so many holes that need to be fixed. The Cubs offense was actually kinda league average last year, while in runs allowed they ranked 14th. Right now, the Cubs don’t even have personnel to man a major league worthy starting rotation.
    So there’s a lot to be done and I’d see them spending money around wisely (like DJesus) on 5 or 6 players rather than just adding one big bat that kills any financial flexibility for the next decade.

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    that kills any financial flexibility for the next decade.

    It’s not like the Cubs are the Pirates here. Even if Pujols is being paid $30mm/yr that’s still only roughly 20% of the payroll.

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  82. WaLi

    [quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXKAtpLm4I[/quote]I can’t view YouTube videos at work, but I rec’d this because I know exactly what it is going to be…

    …A montage of boobs. amiright?

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  83. mb21

    [quote name=DamageControlFreak]I find it easy to disagree with him here. His only argument is “I want Pujols, just sign him for whatever money”.
    Well, I don’t think so.

    1. Big dollar contract = big risk.
    It’s beyond me how someone could even consider the possibilty that Pujols (or anyone else for that matter) could maintain a value of $30 million/year over the course of a 8 yr contract. So if people are already factoring in overpaying him over the course of the contract… well, to what end exactly?

    2. The Cubs have so many holes that need to be fixed. The Cubs offense was actually kinda league average last year, while in runs allowed they ranked 14th. Right now, the Cubs don’t even have personnel to man a major league worthy starting rotation.
    So there’s a lot to be done and I’d see them spending money around wisely (like DJesus) on 5 or 6 players rather than just adding one big bat that kills any financial flexibility for the next decade.[/quote]I didn’t read the article, but Pujols is worth a lot of money. How much money is the question and I know we’ve ran that total here recently, but I can’t remember for sure. I want to say around 8 years and $225 million. I don’t want the Cubs to overpay for Pujols, but if they can sign him to a contract he’s worth at this moment then I’m all for it. It also has nothing to do with his name for what it’s worth. I’d be all for signing any play available if the contract is worth it.

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  84. Berselius

    [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]If SF wins its remaining NFC games (ARI, SEA and STLx2) —–> No. 2 seed[/quote]
    That’s a redundant statement (dying laughing)

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  85. mb21

    [quote name=Jay]Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
    Mother mother fuck. Mother mother fuck fuck. Mother fuck mother fuck.
    Noise noise noise.
    1 2 1 2 3 4
    Noise noise noise.
    Smokin weed, smokin weed.
    Doin’ coke, drinkin beers.
    Drinkin beers, beers beers.
    Rollin’ fatties, smokin blunts.
    Who smokes the blunts? We smoke the blunts.
    Rollin’ blunts and smokin um’

    15 bucks, little man, put that shit in my hand.
    If that money doesn’t show then you owe me owe me owe.
    My jungle love.
    Oh e oh e oh.
    I think I wanna know ya know ya … yeah, what.[/quote](dying laughing)

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  86. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Berselius]That’s a redundant statement (dying laughing)[/quote]
    Dear Berselius,

    Parity.

    Sincerely,

    Pete Rozelle

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  87. binky

    [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]So josh is a faget?[/quote]I have no particular homosexual history, if that’s what you’re asking. I would rate a 0 on the Kinsey scale.

    If you’re asking if I’m a troll, I prefer the term “sociologist.” I still don’t think think Kim is attractive, but I probably didn’t need to mention it.

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  88. binky

    [quote name=Mish]Without masks/makeup:

    [/quote]I’m disappointed that they had all those incarnations of Warwick Davis and left off Willow.

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  89. DamageControlFreak

    [quote name=Berselius]It’s not like the Cubs are the Pirates here. Even if Pujols is being paid $30mm/yr that’s still only roughly 20% of the payroll.[/quote]Saying they will have no flexiblity left is obviously grossly exaggerated, but 30% locked for 8 yrs is still way too many eggs in one basket for my taste. I’d rather see two dozen DeJesus-type deals for that kinda money.

    [quote name=mb21]I didn’t read the article, but Pujols is worth a lot of money. How much money is the question and I know we’ve ran that total here recently, but I can’t remember for sure. I want to say around 8 years and $225 million. I don’t want the Cubs to overpay for Pujols, but if they can sign him to a contract he’s worth at this moment then I’m all for it. It also has nothing to do with his name for what it’s worth. I’d be all for signing any play available if the contract is worth it.[/quote]I guess I’m just not Baseball economy savvy enough to get it. Nobody can know what he’s worth since nobody knows how he will perform 3, 5 or even 8 years from now.
    To me, it would be logical to try to quantify that risk and discount the perceived value accordingly.
    Besides. judging from how other $100 million contracts have panned out, it seems teams generally don’t have a great judgment when handing out these contracts. In a way the team who ends up signing a big free agent is not neccesarily the cleverest, but maybe just the one with the least amount of realistic thinking.
    To be fair, none of these objections have anything to do with Pujols himself. Me just not like monster contracts.

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  90. binky

    [quote name=DamageControlFreak]I guess I’m just not Baseball economy savvy enough to get it. Nobody can know what he’s worth since nobody knows how he will perform 3, 5 or even 8 years from now.
    To me, it would be logical to try to quantify that risk and discount the perceived value accordingly.
    Besides. judging from how other $100 million contracts have panned out, it seems teams generally don’t have a great judgment when handing out these contracts. In a way the team who ends up signing a big free agent is not neccesarily the cleverest, but maybe just the one with the least amount of realistic thinking.
    To be fair, none of these objections have anything to do with Pujols himself. Me just not like monster contracts.[/quote]Projecting how a player will perform in the future is exactly the point of these sorts of statistics. Saying we can’t “know” is beside the point. You weigh what his projected value is in terms of win will be versus what that amount of wins is worth to you. Obviously there is risk. There is also reward. You make the best deals you can based on the information you have. It makes no sense to scream and run everytime someone wants to get paid. You have to make the offers you think will net you the value a player is expected to project. It turns out the projections tend to line up with reality in statistically large enough set that they are useful. Risk is included. Besides, if you sign 12 David DeJesus’s where to they play? What value does DD have at first base? Are there even 12 DD’s available to sign or trade for, one at each position? You have to work within the bounds of what is available and what is realistic.

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  91. binky

    I think Cubs fans have been trained to shy away from monster contracts because past GMs made poor decisions when giving them out. In the hands of a capable staff, there is no reason a monster contract can’t be a good thing for a baseball team. Just ask the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. Those teams don’t win every year by accident.

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  92. Rice Cube

    [quote name=GBTS]http://petzrawr.posterous.com/baseketball-came-so-close-to-predicting-what[/quote]That’s uncanny.

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  93. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I didn’t at first because I’ve always done “55378008” but then I figured it out and chuckled.

    /funsucker[/quote]

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  94. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]Just ask the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. Those teams don’t win every year by accident.[/quote]Pssht. Only two World Series in the past five years.

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  95. binky

    [quote name=GBTS]Pssht. Only two World Series in the past five years.[/quote]They only win the World Series when it doesn’t matter.

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  96. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]They only win the World Series when it doesn’t matter.[/quote]That should be the new Cubs Way. They should just tell everyone in the organization that it doesn’t matter. That level of apathy should generate at least ten World Series championships.

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  97. Aisle424

    [quote name=Rice Cube]That should be the new Cubs Way. They should just tell everyone in the organization that it doesn’t matter. That level of apathy should generate at least ten World Series championships.[/quote]

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  98. GBTS

    [quote name=Aisle424]I don’t care what anybody says. Zambrano is a badass motherfucker and I want him on my team. He got drilled in the face and it barely phased him.[/quote]Zambrano, so upset that he gave up a line drive in an exhibition game, took his anger out on the baseball and tried to break it with his face.

    /sullivan’d

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  99. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mf3Bypyk8[/quote]Mr. GorillaCock should e-mail that to the Ricketts as the new Cubs locker room motivational speech.

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  100. Rice Cube

    [quote name=GBTS]Zambrano, so upset that he gave up a line drive in an exhibition game, took his anger out on the baseball and tried to break it with his face.

    /sullivan’d[/quote]It was kind of annoying to read all the comments about how that line dirve would’ve knocked some sense into him, but I guess he deserves some of it.

    I really like how his initial reaction wasn’t “ouch” but rather “Hey, where’s the ball? Oh there it is…” and made the out. I applauded.

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  101. mb21

    [quote name=DamageControlFreak]I guess I’m just not Baseball economy savvy enough to get it. Nobody can know what he’s worth since nobody knows how he will perform 3, 5 or even 8 years from now.
    To me, it would be logical to try to quantify that risk and discount the perceived value accordingly.
    Besides. judging from how other $100 million contracts have panned out, it seems teams generally don’t have a great judgment when handing out these contracts. In a way the team who ends up signing a big free agent is not neccesarily the cleverest, but maybe just the one with the least amount of realistic thinking.
    To be fair, none of these objections have anything to do with Pujols himself. Me just not like monster contracts.[/quote]Is that bolded part true though? I’m going to spend a few minutes looking into it. My initial reaction is that $100 million contracts to pitchers have almost always ended badly. Then again, most longterm contracts to pitchers end badly. I don’t think that’s true for hitters, but I’m not sure so I’m going to look.

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  102. mb21

    Here are $100 million players (bolded players contract has expired):

    1. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17)
    2. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
    3. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10)

    4. Joe Mauer, $184,000,000 (2011-18)
    5. Mark Teixeira, $180,000,000 (2009-16)
    6. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
    7. Manny Ramirez, $160,000,000 (2001-08)
    . . Matt Kemp, $160,000,000 (2012-19)
    9. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20)
    10. Adrian Gonzalez, $154,000,000 (2012-18)
    11. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15)
    12. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17)
    13. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)
    14. Johan Santana, $137,500,000 (2008-13)
    15. Alfonso Soriano, $136,000,000 (2007-14)
    16. Vernon Wells, $126,000,000 (2008-14)
    . . . Barry Zito, $126,000,000 (2007-13)
    . . . Jayson Werth, $126,000,000 (2011-17)
    19. Ryan Howard, $125,000,000 (2012-16)
    20. CC Sabathia, $122,000,000 (2012-16)
    21. Mike Hampton, $121,000,000 (2001-08)
    22. Jason Giambi, $120,000,000 (2002-08)
    . . . Matt Holliday, $120,000,000 (2010-16)
    . . . Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15)
    25. Carlos Beltran, $119,000,000 (2005-11)
    26. Ken Griffey Jr., $116,500,000 (2000-08)
    27. Kevin Brown, $105,000,000 (1999-2005)
    28. Carlos Lee, $100,000,000 (2007-12)
    . . . Albert Pujols, $100,000,000 (2004-10)

    The A-Rod contract was undoubtedly a good one. Derek Jeter performed quite well, but wasn’t as valuable as he was paid. Part of that was that the value per win hasn’t increased in several years. Manny’s was definitely a good one. The same is true for Helton. Mike Hampton’s sucked, but he’s a pitcher so you can’t let that get in the way of signing a position player to that kind of contract. Jason Giambi’s contract looked very bad in the end. Beltran produced just barely above what he was paid so it was a good contract. Junior’s was a pretty bad contract.

    So that’s 4 good contracts (A-Rod, Manny, Helton, Beltran), an OK one (Jeter), and two poor ones (Giambi, Junior).

    I’d actually say, considering the amount of risk and what teams can’t possible know that these elite stars have not only produced well, but have produced at a level matching or exceeding their pay at a greater rate than the average ballplayer does.

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  103. mb21

    I missed Pujols’s contract too. So that’s 5 good ones, a decent one, and two bad ones. Only 2 of the 8 ended up being bad contracts.

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  104. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Mr. GorillaCock should e-mail that to the Ricketts as the new Cubs locker room motivational speech.[/quote]if they’re willing to bring me in, I’ll deliver it personally before every game

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  105. Rice Cube

    [quote name=mb21]I missed Pujols’s contract too. So that’s 5 good ones, a decent one, and two bad ones. Only 2 of the 8 ended up being bad contracts.[/quote]Pujols’ contract was a crazy discount though. Whoever signs him next is going to have to pay the interest.

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  106. Rice Cube

    [quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]if they’re willing to bring me in, I’ll deliver it personally before every game[/quote]You could be better than Ichiro before All-Star Games.

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  107. ACT

    I think the main reason for being wary of huge contracts is not the average projection over the long term, but the spread of projections. A player is far more likely to underperform his projection (e.g., by having a significant injury or decline early on) than to outperform over many years. In other words, a player might be worth the contract, but if he falls short, he could fall way short.

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  108. mb21

    I agree, ACT, but I also don’t want the Cubs to avoid the best players in baseball because of the risk. The Royals and Pirates have to avoid those risks. The Cubs can afford it and they should be active in pursuing the best players. They’ll come at a high cost and with great risk, but one 6-WAR player is better than two 3-WAR players.

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  109. mb21

    I ran a whole bunch of various parameters into a 7-year projection for Pujols and am going to publish the results in an hour or so.

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  110. cdw

    [quote name=mb21]I ran a whole bunch of various parameters into a 7-year projection for Pujols and am going to publish the results in an hour or so.[/quote]Pujols tease

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  111. AndCounting

    I’ve heard so many Cubs fans dismiss Fielder/Pujols as ridiculous targets for the Cubs because of the enormous contracts. They’re like people who have given up on love. We can’t let what happened with Sori stop us from trying to find the right person. He’s out there somewhere. We don’t have to settle for DeJesus.

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  112. binky

    [quote name=mb21]I agree, ACT, but I also don’t want the Cubs to avoid the best players in baseball because of the risk. The Royals and Pirates have to avoid those risks. The Cubs can afford it and they should be active in pursuing the best players. They’ll come at a high cost and with great risk, but one 6-WAR player is better than two 3-WAR players.[/quote]It’s a matter of trying to be as smart as you can be about the risk, with the information you have.

    Looking at Griffey’s first year with the Reds. 5.1 fWAR. they must have been shitting themselves imagining how good they had made out.

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  113. Aisle424

    My problem with going 8 or 9 years on Pujols (or anyone right now) is that the reward that could come from the signing is diluted by the general crappiness of the team. Pujols could come here and be his normal self, but will that impede the teams’ ability to put a team around him that can elevate to the next level?

    If we were a 6 WAR player away from being a contender, I’d say go for it, but we are more than that.

    I would love for the Cubs to offer him a deal for something like 7 years, but with an opt-out after the 5th, and with the vesting options for an 8th and 9th year.

    If he’s awesome, the Cubs are going to win a lot of games over the next 5 years, revenues will be through the roof and they can afford to extend him.

    If he give decent value, but not other-wordly, maybe he opts out and we let him go because it is 5 years from now and hopefully our farm system can replace a 37 year old version of him by then. Or he sticks with it since he’s on pace to meet his vesting options and we get a guy who may end up being a little expensive at the end, but overall totally worth it.

    If he sucks, we have him for 7 years instead of the 8 or 9 that a guaranteed contract would put us on the hook for.

    I could see him going for it, because the Cubs can offer the same guaranteed money as the Cards, but over a shorter period with an option to earn even more, so that would appeal to his ego. Plus if he continues to be mega awesome, he can push for an even bigger tail end of the contract when the time comes.

    Meanwhile the Cubs minimize their risk if he’s terrible (which I doubt he would be, but this is the Cubs we’re talking about). They have the money in the future since Soriano is the only big money left on the books after this year.

    They’d be paying Pujols about what they paid Lee and Ramirez combined, which wasn’t the end of the world in a vacuum, but they were also paying Soriano, Fukudome, Dempster, Lilly, Milton/Silva, and Zambrano.

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  114. binky

    To me, if they sign Pujy, they are looking to contend in the near future. I would see Pujols as a piece to include a couple more DeJesuses to get on base and play defense and all that. MB’s plan of going after Darvish or another young pitcher would be a necessary piece as well, I think. I could see them assembling a winning team around Pujols within a couple years. I think it moves the timetable up.

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  115. binky

    [quote name=dylanj]this thread only proves that Josh doesn’t like anything.

    That and alien porn[/quote]WHISKEY!!

    How many fucking times do I have to say this?

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  116. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]WHISKEY!!

    How many fucking times do I have to say this?[/quote]If someone was about to set all the whiskey in the world on fire, and he told you the only way he wouldn’t do it was if you banged Ms. DeJesus while he murdered Christina Hendricks, what would you do?

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  117. Rice Cube

    [quote name=GBTS]If someone was about to set all the whiskey in the world on fire, and they told you the only way they wouldn’t do it was if you banged Ms. DeJesus while he murdered Christina Hendricks, what would you do?[/quote]Diabolical…

    Edit: WWJD (what would josh do)?

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  118. mb21

    [quote name=AndCounting]I’ve heard so many Cubs fans dismiss Fielder/Pujols as ridiculous targets for the Cubs because of the enormous contracts. They’re like people who have given up on love. We can’t let what happened with Sori stop us from trying to find the right person. He’s out there somewhere. We don’t have to settle for DeJesus.[/quote]I understand the concern. If they sign Pujols and he gets injured the Cubs are in a lot of trouble. I think it’s a risk worth taking (not necessarily Pujols, but other contracts like that).

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  119. AndCounting

    The drum Theo’s beating right now is starting pitching. According to everyone covering the Cubs at this very moment.

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  120. Rice Cube

    [quote name=AndCounting]The drum Theo’s beating right now is starting pitching. According to everyone covering the Cubs at this very moment.[/quote]Translation: No clue what the plan is so let’s make something up.

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  121. mb21

    My concern with waiting to sign players until you’re contenders is that if you do that you’ll never be contenders. I also understand what 424 is saying, but if you sign Pujols you’re going to contend soon. Perhaps not in 2012, but soon.

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  122. Smokestack Lightning

    My problem with going 8 or 9 years on Pujols (or anyone right now) is that the reward that could come from the signing is diluted by the general crappiness of the team. Pujols could come here and be his normal self, but will that impede the teams’ ability to put a team around him that can elevate to the next level?

    My thought is that if Theo lands Pujols, it means we’re running higher payrolls for the next few seasons and that money won’t be an issue to land additional players to get this team contending.

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  123. Rice Cube

    [quote name=GBTS]Reminds me of the end of Batman Forever.[/quote]Ah, so you were also wondering why the Batsuit had nipples.

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  124. binky

    [quote name=GBTS]If someone was about to set all the whiskey in the world on fire, and he told you the only way he wouldn’t do it was if you banged Ms. DeJesus while he murdered Christina Hendricks, what would you do?[/quote]Let it burn. Honestly, I don’t even really like whiskey that much.

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  125. GBTS

    [quote name=mb21]Just. WOW.[/quote]That’s the one that makes me think its fake. I don’t know if it’s possible for someone to have knowledge of Van Gogh and his ear, and yet be stupid enough to mistake it for Vince Vaughn.

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  126. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]Let it burn. Honestly, I don’t even really like whiskey that much.[/quote](dying laughing)

    He is consistent, can’t fault him for that.

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  127. AndCounting

    [quote name=josh]I loved that movie.[/quote]Josh’s standards can no longer be described as “high” per se.

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  128. binky

    [quote name=AndCounting]Josh’s standards can no longer be described as “high” per se.[/quote]You’re my favorite OVblogger.

    mindfuck

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