How much is Pujols worth?

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There’s a very big image attached below. I think it mostly explains itself. I apologize for the poor formatting, but I didn’t care too much to make it that neat. The image contains numerous ways to estimate 7, 8 and 9 year contracts for Albert Pujols. I stuck with a -.5 WAR aging curve. I began with 5.5 WAR, increased it to 6 and then 6.5. I started with a $4.5 million win value and increased it by 5%, 7%, 10% and +0.5 million. See for yourself (click on the image to enlarge it).

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  1. binky

    josh and i are polar opposites. outside of a pair of epic breasts christina hendricks is pretty hideous imho.

    I’m not in love with Christina Hendrick. I don’t want to have her babies. She was just the first person I could think of to illustrate the point that I like women other people like, too, I just don’t think Kim is particularly attractive. I wouldn’t describe her as hideous. If her picture was on a page of other celebrities I could stare at to kill time, I would scroll past her and look for someone else without much thought. I find her to be, in the realm of attractive people, extremely generic.

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  2. AndCounting

    [quote name=josh]You’re my favorite OVblogger.

    mindfuck[/quote](dying laughing)
    (dying laughing)
    AC’s suspicions ——-> confirmed.

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  3. binky

    [quote name=AndCounting](dying laughing)
    (dying laughing)
    AC’s suspicions ——-> confirmed.[/quote]Exactly. The heart wants what the heart wants.

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  4. Rice Cube

    Batman and Robin was much much worse than Batman Forever. Regardless, Joel Schumacher is the devil for almost killing Batman forever.

    /see what I did there’d

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  5. Rice Cube

    What was the original Cardinals offer? 9 years for a smidge under $200MM? Then Aisley’s plan to do 7 years for $200MM probably tips the scales in the Cubs’ favor, if that’s the way they decide to structure it.

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  6. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Batman and Robin was much much worse than Batman Forever. Regardless, Joel Schumacher is the devil for almost killing Batman forever.

    /see what I did there’d[/quote]Truth Time: I don’t know if I’ve seen that movie. Is that the one with Val Kilmer?

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  7. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Truth Time: I don’t know if I’ve seen that movie. Is that the one with Val Kilmer?[/quote]Correct.

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  8. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Unless Josh is a seahorse.[/quote]This reminds me: I wonder if you lovely OVBlog folks have ever considered using the rainbow-vomiting unicorn as a design in your store.

    /horse

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  9. Rice Cube

    [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Hyman just tweeted other GMs firmly believe Cubs will trade Garza.[/quote]The bold part is funny.

    The trading Garza part is a bit perplexing if they really want to land Pujols. Unless they’re trading Garza for an innings-eater, moving Dempster to #1 starter and the rest of the package is position players to insert into the lineup (pipe dream)…

    Not that I know what the grand plan for 2012 is anyway (dying laughing)

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  10. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]The bold part is funny.

    The trading Garza part is a bit perplexing if they really want to land Pujols. Unless they’re trading Garza for an innings-eater, moving Dempster to #1 starter and the rest of the package is position players to insert into the lineup (pipe dream)…

    Not that I know what the grand plan for 2012 is anyway (dying laughing)[/quote]Because it’s a homophone of “hymen”?

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  11. AndCounting

    [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Hyman just tweeted other GMs firmly believe Cubs will trade Garza.[/quote]”Firmly believe” sounds like when Demi Moore strenuously objected in A Few Good Men.

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  12. AndCounting

    [quote name=josh]Because it’s a homophone of “hymen”?[/quote]No homophones around here. We’re all God’s children.

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  13. WaLi

    [quote name=josh]The fuck is the point of that? I can see equal or greater boobs free right now anywhere on the internet. Naked ones. Ones in the midst of sexual activity, even. Why do I need hers? Either she brings something to the fap table or she doesn’t. She doesn’t for me.[/quote]
    [quote name=josh]WHISKEY!!
    How many fucking times do I have to say this?[/quote]
    AH HA! We found the problem. Whiskey Dick.

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  14. WaLi

    [quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]I’ve now watched the first 3 episodes of Breaking Bad. It is, ahem, addictive.[/quote]How many people started watching Breaking Bad because of this blog?

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  15. binky

    [quote name=WaLi].[/quote]I like Breaking Bad. I mean, it’s no The Wire, but it’s a decent show. But as a rule, I tend to hate television.

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  16. dylanj

    so josh doesnt think like hot ladies drinks only in moderation and liked Batman Forever.

    I think its time for an eBeatdown

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  17. binky

    [quote name=dylanj]so josh doesnt think like hot ladies drinks only in moderation and liked Batman Forever.

    I think its time for an eBeatdown[/quote]I actually hated Batman Forever. For some reason I was thinking of The Dark Knight. You know, at the end, when there was that no-win situation (a prisoner’s dilemma). I like hot ladies. I don’t think Kim DeJesus is hot. Women I think are hot I like. And I only drink in moderation because I have a baby.

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  18. binky

    How did Batman Forever relate to the Whiskey Dilemma? I honestly can’t remember how it ended. I remember there was a Two Face there. I was thinking he fell into something. Riddler was there. Was Poison Ivy in that one?

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  19. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]How did Batman Forever relate to the Whiskey Dilemma? I honestly can’t remember how it ended. I remember there was a Two Face there. I was thinking he fell into something. Riddler was there. Was Poison Ivy in that one?[/quote]I think Two-Face made Batman choose whether he was saving Robin or Nicole Kidman. Batman decided to ultimately save both.

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  20. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I think Two-Face made Batman choose whether he was saving Robin or Nicole Kidman. Batman decided to ultimately save both.[/quote]That’s a bullshit solution.

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  21. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Obviously you save Nicole Kidman. Not even close.[/quote]He actually saved Nicole Kidman first and then went after Robin.

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  22. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]I actually hated Batman Forever. For some reason I was thinking of The Dark Knight. You know, at the end, when there was that no-win situation (a prisoner’s dilemma). I like hot ladies. I don’t think Kim DeJesus is hot. Women I think are hot I like. And I only drink in moderation because I have a baby.[/quote]For as much shit as we’ve given him in the last 24 hours, Josh has remained incredibly rational.

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  23. Rice Cube

    [quote name=GBTS]For as much shit as we’ve given him in the last 24 hours, Josh has remained incredibly rational.[/quote]He’s crying on the inside and plotting your demise.

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  24. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Are you sure?

    /josh’d[/quote]Nicole Kidman was definitely my #1 circa 1995. She’s kind of weird looking now with all the plastic surgery.

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  25. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]Nicole Kidman was definitely my #1 circa 1995. She’s kind of weird looking now with all the plastic surgery.[/quote]She’s got Joe Buck syndrome. You can project a movie on her forehead.

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  26. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]He’s crying on the inside and plotting your demise.[/quote]I’m just trying to figure out what GBTS might stand for.

    “Go Back To Scotland!”?

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  27. Suburban kid 2 or 288

    [quote name=AndCounting]No left-handed Marlon Byrds around here. We’re all God’s children.[/quote].

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  28. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Cool. Re: PED and the HOF:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/12/01/why-i-discount-ped-use-in-hof-evaluation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter%5B/quote%5DThat's an interesting point on Palmeiro. He also tested positive for amphetamines at one point. I don’t even see how amphetamines could be considered performance-enhancing. I’m not sure staying up all night is really going to help you play baseball better.

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  29. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]That’s an interesting point on Palmeiro. He also tested positive for amphetamines at one point. I don’t even see how amphetamines could be considered performance-enhancing. I’m not sure staying up all night is really going to help you play baseball better.[/quote]Not that I’ve ever taken them but I thought they were supposed to be a stimulant and also block pain receptors so you just keep working out longer because you don’t feel tired nor do you feel pain. More working out = stronger, but you also can’t detect muscle damage due to overexertion.

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  30. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Not that I’ve ever taken them but I thought they were supposed to be a stimulant and also block pain receptors so you just keep working out longer because you don’t feel tired nor do you feel pain. More working out = stronger, but you also can’t detect muscle damage due to overexertion.[/quote]I guess I could see that. When my brother was on meth, he just stayed up really late and tried to score more meth, but that’s probably not the same thing. I guess if he was taking them in the off-season they might provide those benefits. Seems counterproductive to be on a stimulant during a game, if only because they hurt your ability to focus, too, don’t they?

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  31. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]I guess I could see that. When my brother was on meth, he just stayed up really late and tried to score more meth, but that’s probably not the same thing. I guess if he was taking them in the off-season they might provide those benefits. Seems counterproductive to be on a stimulant during a game, if only because they hurt your ability to focus, too, don’t they?[/quote]I think the general rule with most drugs/medications is not to mix them. So if there was a lot of beer and fried chicken in the clubhouse, probably not a good idea to also take greenies. But if all the guy was doing was taking greenies and nothing else during the game I assume he’d just play very hard for a sustained period of time, like a scrappy white guy with heart.

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  32. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]I think the general rule with most drugs/medications is not to mix them. So if there was a lot of beer and fried chicken in the clubhouse, probably not a good idea to also take greenies. But if all the guy was doing was taking greenies and nothing else during the game I assume he’d just play very hard for a sustained period of time, like a scrappy white guy with heart.[/quote]If only I’d known the only thing standing between me and the hall of fame was taking some amphetamines.

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  33. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]If only I’d known the only thing standing between me and the hall of fame was taking some amphetamines.[/quote]Your bust would be glorious amongst the other legendary scrappy white guys with heart.

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  34. mb21

    [quote name=josh]Nicole Kidman was definitely my #1 circa 1995. She’s kind of weird looking now with all the plastic surgery.[/quote]Yeah, she reminds me of Courtney Cox who was also once quite attractive. Those days are LONG fucking gone.

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  35. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Your bust would be glorious amongst the other legendary scrappy white guys with heart.[/quote]I’d be happy with a PED that got me into graduate school.

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  36. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]I’d be happy with a PED that got me into graduate school.[/quote]Greenies may help you study later into the night.

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  37. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Greenies may help you study later into the night.[/quote]That’ll help if I actually get in.

    According to a certain Very Special Episode of Saved By the Bell I once saw, the greenies will backfire eventually, and Zack Morris will have to save me from myself.

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  38. binky

    [quote name=josh]That’ll help if I actually get in.

    According to a certain Very Special Episode of Saved By the Bell I once saw, the greenies will backfire eventually, and Zack Morris will have to save me from myself.[/quote]”I’M SO EXCITED! I’M SO EXCITED!!! I’M SO……..*Sob* SCARED!!

    They were “caffeine pills” but I think we all knew better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtuGoIIKGs

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  39. binky

    [quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Nice little roundup from Brett of Bleacher Nation on Theo’s meet the press after introducing DeJesus:

    http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/12/01/theo-epstein-speaks-about-the-cba-matt-garza-fielderpujols-rumors-sean-marshalls-role-and-more/

    As usual, Theo said nothing clarifying.[/quote]I really don’t think he has anything definitive to say. I mean, I don’t think he’s just being aloof. He wants to keep Garza, but doesn’t know if they can make other key signings, and maybe they’re better off trading Garza and punting next season. There’s so much up in the air, it’s hard to get pinned down into one strategy.

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  40. Smokestack Lightning

    [quote name=josh]I really don’t think he has anything definitive to say. I mean, I don’t think he’s just being aloof. He wants to keep Garza, but doesn’t know if they can make other key signings, and maybe they’re better off trading Garza and punting next season. There’s so much up in the air, it’s hard to get pinned down into one strategy.[/quote]
    My thought as well. I don’t think there is an in-stone plan set to pursue other than to get better by any means necessary. I think this thing is evolving by the day.

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  41. JMan

    [quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Nice little roundup from Brett of Bleacher Nation on Theo’s meet the press after introducing DeJesus:

    http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/12/01/theo-epstein-speaks-about-the-cba-matt-garza-fielderpujols-rumors-sean-marshalls-role-and-more/

    As usual, Theo said nothing clarifying.[/quote]I think we have to pay attention to Theo’s wording. He says Garza is LIKE a player they want to build around not definitive that Garza is the actual guy they want to build around. I know that’s being picky but this isn’t Hendry. Plus I think they aren’t going to announce they are shopping Garza as they want to keep all things close the vest while building as much value as possible.

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  42. Aisle424

    [quote name=JMan]I think we have to pay attention to Theo’s wording. He says Garza is LIKE a player they want to build around not definitive that Garza is the actual guy they want to build around. I know that’s being picky but this isn’t Hendry. Plus I think they aren’t going to announce they are shopping Garza as they want to keep all things close the vest while building as much value as possible.[/quote]
    This is absolutely a regime where words spoken to the media need to be taken as loosely as possible. He’s shown time and again he doesn’t like showing his hand. It’s a reputation that goes back to Boston, so taking carefully crafted words used when talking at a planned media session is hardly a window into Theo’s soul.

    But we can glean some information assuming it all isn’t blatant lies (which we can’t assume 100%, but that is true of almost anyone).

    I think Theo is basically saying that the Cubs would love to have Garza as part of the team, but not so much that he’s in some untouchable realm where he won’t move him if someone else perceives him to be worth more than the Cubs do and provides that kind of compensation.

    I mean, if the Nationals walked up and said they’d give us Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg for Matt Garza, you fucking do it and to hell with what you just told Paul Sullivan and his merry men.

    Theo is quite good at saying enough to satisfy the press who just want something to write, despite the fact they all know the answer is bullshit, and leaving himself all kinds of loopholes and outs for whatever his strategy is or becomes through mitigating circumstances.

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  43. binky

    [quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Per BO, Brewers willing to go 6/120 to keep Fielder.

    http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/142360796515672065%5B/quote%5DI'm liking Pujols, if he’s part of a bigger picture plan that especially includes strengthening the pitching staff, but I wouldn’t mind knowing what Fielder is really worth, too. I would assume that the -0.5 reduction of WAR per year is probably too light for him. For that matter, how do you predict WAR for a guy who has fluctuated year-to-years as much as Fielder?

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  44. binky

    [quote name=Aisle424]This is absolutely a regime where words spoken to the media need to be taken as loosely as possible. He’s shown time and again he doesn’t like showing his hand. It’s a reputation that goes back to Boston, so taking carefully crafted words used when talking at a planned media session is hardly a window into Theo’s soul.

    But we can glean some information assuming it all isn’t blatant lies (which we can’t assume 100%, but that is true of almost anyone).

    I think Theo is basically saying that the Cubs would love to have Garza as part of the team, but not so much that he’s in some untouchable realm where he won’t move him if someone else perceives him to be worth more than the Cubs do and provides that kind of compensation.

    I mean, if the Nationals walked up and said they’d give us Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg for Matt Garza, you fucking do it and to hell with what you just told Paul Sullivan and his merry men.

    Theo is quite good at saying enough to satisfy the press who just want something to write, despite the fact they all know the answer is bullshit, and leaving himself all kinds of loopholes and outs for whatever his strategy is or becomes through mitigating circumstances.[/quote]Exactly. If he can get an extra $5-10 million in value over what Garza is really worth thanks to market demands, then he might be able to get an MLB ready player back from the deal and fill a hole elsewhere more cheaply. Maybe it’s not ideal for 2012, but could be a better long-term deal.

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  45. JMan

    It’s nice to know we have a GM that will do what it takes to build a players value instead of telegraphing every move to the media.

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  46. mb21

    [quote name=JMan]It’s nice to know we have a GM that will do what it takes to build a players value instead of telegraphing every move to the media.[/quote]I agree that Theo is better suited for that than Hendry, but considering the amount of Garza trade talk I’m not necessarily sure Garza is an example of why Theo is better suited.

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  47. binky

    [quote name=mb21]I agree that Theo is better suited for that than Hendry, but considering the amount of Garza trade talk I’m not necessarily sure Garza is an example of why Theo is better suited.[/quote]The key difference for me is that they’re getting that info from the other GM’s, not Theo.

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  48. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]The key difference for me is that they’re getting that info from the other GM’s, not Theo.[/quote]Maybe that was part of his evil plan. Or the GMs could also be fooled by Theo’s poker face. Is he bluffing, or is he hiding a full house?

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  49. mb21

    [quote name=josh]The key difference for me is that they’re getting that info from the other GM’s, not Theo.[/quote]Well, it wasn’t like Hendry came out in November with a list of players he wanted to trade. Not once did he do that. I don’t remember a single player where Hendry stated anything like this: we’d really like to trade this guy. If you’re referring to guys like Sosa or Bradley that he helped run out of town, I’d point you to Nomar and Manny in Boston (and probably others).

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  50. Aisle424

    It seemed pretty stupid and over the top, but not enough to actually make it funny, which is why I had a hard time deciphering. Going through the comments makes me think it was a joke of some sort, but I don’t get it.

    Maybe it’s like when we ask if something is like a misting station. You had to be there.

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  51. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]The mafia killed him?[/quote]Being that the Marlins have aquariums behind the home plate area, he might just swim with the fishes, see…

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  52. binky

    [quote name=Aisle424]It seemed pretty stupid and over the top, but not enough to actually make it funny, which is why I had a hard time deciphering. Going through the comments makes me think it was a joke of some sort, but I don’t get it.

    Maybe it’s like when we ask if something is like a misting station. You had to be there.[/quote]Weird inside jokes on the interwebz? Impossibruuuuu!

    INTERNET! Y U NO LET ME IN ON JOKE!?

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  53. Berselius

    [quote name=josh]Three times in the FOX article on the subject, they point out that Heath Bell isn’t Pedro Martinez. Is this something that people have been confused about?[/quote]I’ve been too busy trying to work out the difference between Darwin Barney and David Ortiz. It’s like they’re the same player.

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  54. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]I’ve been too busy trying to work out the difference between Darwin Barney and David Ortiz. It’s like they’re the same player.[/quote]That’s because they have similar bodies and each of them has tremendous power.

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  55. Berselius

    Buster Olney said this morning that it’s a buyer’s market for closers. I guess Bell and Papelbon were discounts (dying laughing)

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  56. mb21

    I’ve not looked at Bell’s stats in a year or so, but 4/36 doesn’t sound too bad to me based on what I last knew. Is he much worse than he once was?

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  57. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]I’ve not looked at Bell’s stats in a year or so, but 4/36 doesn’t sound too bad to me based on what I last knew. Is he much worse than he once was?[/quote]
    He’s 34, and a relief pitcher. That’s enough for me.

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  58. Rice Cube

    [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Been bullshiting with Berselius on twitter. I think we should go after LoMO..[/quote]When is he supposed to come back? I thought he had or is going to have some kind of surgery.

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  59. mb21

    [quote name=bubblesdachimp]You dont do the twitter thing do you MB?[/quote]Kind of. I don’t talk about the Cubs too much.

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  60. bubblesdachimp

    darrenrovell darren rovell
    Sportsbook.com: Where will Pujols play his 1st game of ’12? Cards 1/3, Cubs 3/1, Yanks & Red Sox 6/1, Marlins 7/1.

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  61. binky

    [quote name=Berselius]http://harding.mlblogs.com/2011/12/02/post-rox-ask-cubs-for-dewitt-in-exchange-for-stewart/

    gut reaction: yes please[/quote]It seems like a relatively fair swap. Stewart has more power. Neither have been all that great defensively, according to UZR, for their careers. Will Stewart still be a power threat when he comes down out of the mountain air?

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  62. mb21

    [quote name=josh]It’s almost all Cubs stuff.[/quote](dying laughing) that’s because the posts here auto-publish. I did say a few Cubs things yesterday though. (dying laughing)

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  63. mb21

    [quote name=Berselius]http://harding.mlblogs.com/2011/12/02/post-rox-ask-cubs-for-dewitt-in-exchange-for-stewart/

    gut reaction: yes please[/quote]I’d do that trade, but I’m not as impressed with Stewart as you might be. I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade. A small one maybe.

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  64. Berselius

    [quote name=mb21]I’d do that trade, but I’m not as impressed with Stewart as you might be. I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade. A small one maybe.[/quote]
    I’m not trying to imply that he’s a difference maker. I just think he’s better than Blake DeWitt.

    I was about to argue that he’s also lot younger but then looked up DeWitt’s age and saw that he is also 26. I could have sworn he was 30-31 (dying laughing)

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  65. WaLi

    [quote name=Berselius]I’m not trying to imply that he’s a difference maker. I just think he’s better than Blake DeWitt.

    I was about to argue that he’s also lot younger but then looked up DeWitt’s age and saw that he is also 26. I could have sworn he was 30-31 (dying laughing)[/quote]It’s weird. Everyone (myself included) thinks DeWitt is an old guy. Play the kid!

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  66. ACT

    Anyway, the Bell deal (along with Soria, Broxton, and Papelbon) is yet another reminder that the Cubs really need to trade Marmol.

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  67. mb21

    [quote name=ACT]Anyway, the Bell deal (along with Soria, Broxton, and Papelbon) is yet another reminder that the Cubs really need to trade Marmol.[/quote]I’m surprised we haven’t heard more rumors about Marmol. Must be no interest on the Cubs part in trading him, which kind of sucks.

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  68. ACT

    Stewart is hard to read, since he played in Colorado and had a terrible 2011. I think he’s probably pretty close to DeWitt in talent, unless his 2011 struggles continue (was there an injury issue or something?)

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  69. binky

    [quote name=WaLi]It’s weird. Everyone (myself included) thinks DeWitt is an old guy. Play the kid![/quote]It’s the beard. When I was 16 I grew a goatee so I could buy nudie mags at the gas station. Never carded once. Power of the beard.

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  70. Aisle424

    BRef has Stewart’s 2nd most similar batter at the age of 26 as Shane Andrews. #3 is Steve Buechele.

    The new Cubs, same as the old Cubs.

    #1 is Mike Pagliarulo.

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  71. ACT

    So, on DeWitt vs. Stewart:

    Roughly same age, roughly same career value, Stewart is more expensive and is coming off injury/terrible 2011. Not sure why so many people like this trade.

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  72. dylanj

    That royals thing is a joke. The guy who runs it is probably the best writer SB has. He’s had some hilarious posts over the years.

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  73. Aisle424

    [quote name=ACT]So, on DeWitt vs. Stewart:

    Roughly same age, roughly same career value, Stewart is more expensive and is coming off injury/terrible 2011. Not sure why so many people like this trade.[/quote]
    I think Stewart had higher upside. He definitely has more power. He was a fantasy tease in his early years, where you’d ride a hot streak and you’d think he finally broke out, and then he’d just regress back to being basically worthless for long stretches.

    I don’t think deWitt ever had the highs of Stewart, only promise that maybe he’d eventually develop more power. I think we can say that ship has sailed.

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    [quote name=dylanj]That royals thing is a joke. The guy who runs it is probably the best writer SB has. He’s had some hilarious posts over the years.[/quote]
    I thought so, but I just didn’t get it. It wasn’t over the top enough to be clearly funny, so I’m just assuming I am missing a ton of inside jokes or something.

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  75. WaLi

    [quote name=Aisle424]The new Cubs, same as the old Cubs.
    .[/quote]Into the blue again, after the money’s gone
    Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground.

    Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was…
    Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was…Same as it ever was

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  76. binky

    [quote name=ACT]So, on DeWitt vs. Stewart:

    Roughly same age, roughly same career value, Stewart is more expensive and is coming off injury/terrible 2011. Not sure why so many people like this trade.[/quote]To be fair, it’s just a rumor. Perhaps there is more to the trade, if it actually gets done than a straight swap. Can Blake man third regularly?

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  77. mb21

    [quote name=Aisle424]I think Stewart had higher upside. He definitely has more power. He was a fantasy tease in his early years, where you’d ride a hot streak and you’d think he finally broke out, and then he’d just regress back to being basically worthless for long stretches.

    I don’t think deWitt ever had the highs of Stewart, only promise that maybe he’d eventually develop more power. I think we can say that ship has sailed.[/quote]DeWitt will never have power, but I’m skeptical Stewart’s power is going to leave Colorado with him. I’d want more than Stewart. He’ll be paid about $3 million. DeWitt will be paid about $1 million. A straight-up swap of these two is a poor trade for the Cubs.

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  78. dylanj

    it was kind of neat to see Epstein talk about DeJesus improving our base running. Obviously he’s seen how shitty its been the last few years

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  79. dylanj

    [quote name=Berselius](dying laughing)[/quote]
    Dressed in a heavy fisherman’s sweater and clutching a newly purchased diary of 1655 Connecticut Governor Thomas Welles, Crawford could not divine his fundamental motivation.

    and somehow the LA Times blog thought it was a real story and called him to confirm it. oh the internet

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  80. binky

    [quote name=ACT]Third base is Blake’s natural position, and his numbers are better there.[/quote]I guess power would be the main thing then.

    [quote name=mb21]DeWitt will never have power, but I’m skeptical Stewart’s power is going to leave Colorado with him. I’d want more than Stewart. He’ll be paid about $3 million. DeWitt will be paid about $1 million. A straight-up swap of these two is a poor trade for the Cubs.[/quote]Cash or prospects?

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  81. Suburban kid 2 or 288

    I’m still wondering why DeWitt wasn’t included in the various Cubs hitter projections and almost thought he was already traded or released.

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  82. WaLi

    [quote name=Suburban kid 2 or 288]I’m still wondering why DeWitt wasn’t included in the various Cubs hitter projections and almost thought he was already traded or released.[/quote]I’m still wondering when Sveum will join the Superfriends.. hint hint nudge nudge

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  83. Aisle424

    [quote name=WaLi]I’m still wondering when Sveum will join the Superfriends.. hint hint nudge nudge[/quote]
    There is a master plan in place. Patience.

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  84. mb21

    [quote name=Suburban kid 2 or 288]I’m still wondering why DeWitt wasn’t included in the various Cubs hitter projections and almost thought he was already traded or released.[/quote](dying laughing) didn’t even notice it. I don’t think I intentionally left him out so there may not be projections for him.

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  85. WaLi

    [quote name=Aisle424]There is a master plan in place. Patience.[/quote]
    [dying laughing cruelly] Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen

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  86. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=josh]It’s the beard. When I was 16 I grew a goatee so I could buy nudie mags at the gas station. Never carded once. Power of the beard.[/quote]
    Or maybe the brown fella behind the register just felt bad for the little white kid buying gay porn.

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  87. Dr. Aneus Taint

    [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Or maybe the brown fella behind the register just felt bad for the little white kid buying gay porn.[/quote]
    I’d neg rep that myself if I could.

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  88. binky

    [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Or maybe the brown fella behind the register just felt bad for the little white kid buying gay porn.[/quote]It was usually a robust woman. I lived in rural Nebraska/Iowa back in those days.

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  89. Dr. Aneus Taint

    btw, there’s more to those bullshit radio rumors out of Kansas about Mack Brown retiring this weekend than bullshit radio rumors out of Kansas. Mack is reportedly working on his exit strategy, which could be expedited under certain circumstances. In fact, word is that there is a theoretical perfect storm that could lead to Mack retiring after this season.

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  90. binky

    I’ve never bought gay porn, though the way I understand it “Playgirl” is more popular with gay men than it is with women.

    I would also buy cigarettes because I’m hardcore.

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  91. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]He’s Dominican, meaning he only GMs when it doesn’t matter.[/quote]That lack of hustle is going to kill him.

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  92. ACT

    [quote name=mb21]DeWitt will never have power, but I’m skeptical Stewart’s power is going to leave Colorado with him. I’d want more than Stewart. He’ll be paid about $3 million. DeWitt will be paid about $1 million. A straight-up swap of these two is a poor trade for the Cubs.[/quote]Yeah, but some people are saying a straight swap is a no-brainer for the Cubs. I don’t get it.

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    [quote name=ACT]Yeah, but some people are saying a straight swap is a no-brainer for the Cubs. I don’t get it.[/quote]I think those folks don’t realize that one guy is making more money than the other when they might suck equally despite one having more power potential.

    Now if the Rockies kicked in the difference in salary, that might be a bit easier to stomach, methinks.

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  94. binky

    The Astros are trying very hard to obtain Andrew Friedman. Sounds like the new owner is trying to emulate the Cubs (or, given their market, the Rays), only they’re doing it right away. I kind of wish Ricketts had started right away. I’m glad Theo happened now rather than not at all, but I don’t know why we had to wait through two shitty seasons first.

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  95. Rice Cube

    [quote name=josh]The Astros are trying very hard to obtain Andrew Friedman. Sounds like the new owner is trying to emulate the Cubs (or, given their market, the Rays), only they’re doing it right away. I kind of wish Ricketts had started right away. I’m glad Theo happened now rather than not at all, but I don’t know why we had to wait through two shitty seasons first.[/quote]Was there a Theo or Friedman-caliber candidate available when Ricketts bought the team? I assume Josh Byrnes was still floating around (forgot when he got fired).

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  96. 8volumesthick

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Was there a Theo or Friedman-caliber candidate available when Ricketts bought the team? I assume Josh Byrnes was still floating around (forgot when he got fired).[/quote]
    Pretty sure Byrnes was still in Arizona. July of 2010 he was fired

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  97. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]Was there a Theo or Friedman-caliber candidate available when Ricketts bought the team? I assume Josh Byrnes was still floating around (forgot when he got fired).[/quote]One could argue Theo wasn’t technically “available” this year. It doesn’t matter. Water under the bridge. Done now, moving on.

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  98. binky

    From MLBTR: “Colorado has asked the Cubs for Blake DeWitt in exchange for Stewart, but talks between the two clubs have since cooled.”

    I’m thinking for the reasons mentioned here. Also, they went on to say that the Rockies would like a pitcher too. Swap Dewitt and a pitcher for a more expensive Dewitt? No way.

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  99. Smokestack Lightning

    [quote name=josh]One could argue Theo wasn’t technically “available” this year. It doesn’t matter. Water under the bridge. Done now, moving on.[/quote]
    That would be a tough thing to argue, as it seems clear to me that Theo would almost certainly not have jumped ship two years ago. If the Red Sox hadn’t collapsed and punted Francona there would be no Theo now. If the Red Sox had collapsed but kept their wits about them (and Tito) there would be no Theo now. It took some of the stormiest seas in Red Sox history to sweep Theo away and off to the Cubs. No way Theo happens after the ’09 season. It was something of a miracle we got him this year.

    If Ricketts throws Hendry out two years ago we’re probably into year three of the Ned Colletti Era, and that’s likely a best case scenario.

    The two extra years of dogshit I had to endure so that now the Superfriends can run things is a price I’m very glad to have paid.

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  100. Smokestack Lightning

    Chris Capuano ——————-> ?????????????

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/chris-capuano-agrees-to-terms-with-unknown-team.html

    Not sure why Bowden was trying to scoop everybody on this one. If it’s Pujols or Fielder or Reyes, then sure, that they’ve come to terms with somebody is newsworthy. When it’s Chris Capuano, eh, why not wait the extra half hour and figure out who the team he’s agreed to terms with actually is.

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    [quote name=Smokestack Lightning]That would be a tough thing to argue, as it seems clear to me that Theo would almost certainly not have jumped ship two years ago. If the Red Sox hadn’t collapsed and punted Francona there would be no Theo now. If the Red Sox had collapsed but kept their wits about them (and Tito) there would be no Theo now. It took some of the stormiest seas in Red Sox history to sweep Theo away and off to the Cubs. No way Theo happens after the ’09 season. It was something of a miracle we got him this year.

    If Ricketts throws Hendry out two years ago we’re probably into year three of the Ned Colletti Era, and that’s likely a best case scenario.

    The two extra years of dogshit I had to endure so that now the Superfriends can run things is a price I’m very glad to have paid.[/quote]I don’t know. Maybe. Did he even try? In general, though, there must have been a GM that was available. Has Ricketts just been sitting there this whole time lusting after Theo and no one else? If so, then maybe you’re right. I was thinking more generally that he would have been able to get SOMEONE good, say, Friedman (I honestly have no idea if that’s any more realistic, just an example), by offering the President job he gave to Theo.

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  102. binky

    [quote name=Berselius]Apparently the Rockies would rather have Colvin. DeWitt should just hang em up now (dying laughing)[/quote]I wonder if this hurts Blake’s HOF chances. He should probably start his amphetamine regimen now.

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  103. GBTS

    I honestly don’t know without looking it up if Colvin or DeWitt is younger.

    That’s sad considering one is a “young prospect” and the other has been at the major league level for like 4 years.

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  104. WaLi

    [quote name=josh]I wonder if this hurts Blake’s HOF chances. He should probably start his amphetamine regimen now.[/quote]I’m pretty sure on of the questions the BBWA ask themselves while considering HOF candidates is “Have you ever been passed on for Tyler Colvin”. If the answer is Yes, then you are automatically disqualified.

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  105. Smokestack Lightning

    [quote name=josh]I don’t know. Maybe. Did he even try? In general, though, there must have been a GM that was available. Has Ricketts just been sitting there this whole time lusting after Theo and no one else? If so, then maybe you’re right. I was thinking more generally that he would have been able to get SOMEONE good, say, Friedman (I honestly have no idea if that’s any more realistic, just an example), by offering the President job he gave to Theo.[/quote]
    Someone good? Theo is better than someone good. Hendry was easily the best and most successful GM the Cubs had in my lifetime. I would consider him to have been, on the whole, a “good” GM. Theo is on another level.

    Seriously, fuck the last two years. We have one of the best front offices in the game right now. Sure, I would’ve loved if the Trib had canned Hendry after the 2005 season and gone out and thrown a net over Theo in his gorilla suit on Halloween, but they didn’t. Or better yet, seen what the Red Sox saw in him going into the 2003 season and stole him away while Lucchino and Henry were waiting on Beane, but they didn’t. It took however long it did to finally figure it the fuck out but the Cubs (under Ticketts) finally did. That it happened in 2011 rather in 2009 isn’t going mean shit two or three years from now when the Cubs are the class of the NL.

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  106. Suburban kid 2 or 288

    [quote name=8volumesthick]That point

    BTW DeWitt is 15 days older than Colvin[/quote]Holy shit, I thought Colvin was at least a couple years younger.

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  107. Suburban kid 2 or 288

    [quote name=Aisle424]There is a master plan in place. Patience.[/quote]Does it include Paul Lynde and/or Alice the housekeeper in the center square?

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  108. JMan

    So the Rockies want Colvin or DeWitt? I think I’d rather the Cubs keep DeWitt. Still the Cubs said defense was a big factor for the off-season. Not sure how Ian Stewart fits that mold. I think they are still hoping to land Headley.

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  109. binky

    [quote name=ACT]Caupuano isn’t terrible; he had a good strikeout rate last year and a decent walk rate.[/quote]He was also voted most likely to randomly acquire extra letters in his name by his AAA team.

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  110. binky

    [quote name=WaLi]I’m pretty sure on of the questions the BBWA ask themselves while considering HOF candidates is “Have you ever been passed on for Tyler Colvin”. If the answer is Yes, then you are automatically disqualified.[/quote]Hmm hm. I see. That’s definitely going to make it tougher for him.

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  111. Rice Cube

    [quote name=ACT]Caupuano isn’t terrible; he had a good strikeout rate last year and a decent walk rate.[/quote]Yeah, but when the batter connects, they really connect (dying laughing)

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  112. ACT

    [quote name=mb21]$50 million is too much for my liking for a guy who is 26 and played in a league that was about equal to A ball.[/quote]But… the video!

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  113. Snyds01

    The woman suffered a fracture to her correct ankle and was taken to the local hospital.

    do they mean right? silly English writing Spaniards

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  114. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/02/magic-johnson-stan-kasten-teaming-up-to-bid-on-the-dodgers/

    Someone should do a genetic profiling experiment on Magic Johnson to find out how he is still alive after contracting HIV. Those are some magical resistance genes he has.[/quote]The antiretroviral drugs have proven extremely effective for people who aren’t at the full AIDS stage. If you have the money, you can live a long ass time with HIV these days.

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  115. Snyds01

    Starlin Castro SS 21 Analysis: Castro is an extremely gifted hitter, leading the NL in hits (and at-bats) despite being the youngest regular in the circuit, and is going to come into more power over the next few years as he fills out. He has outstanding hand-eye coordination and the bat control you’d expect from that, keeping his hands inside the ball well and adjusting to off-speed pitches like a big-league veteran. He’s an average runner at best and not a high-percentage basestealer, so he’ll either have to improve his reads or stop making so many attempts. The biggest issue for Castro is that his lower half is already slow, and if he gets thicker and slows down further, it’ll guarantee he moves off short and could in theory keep him from second base as well, although his arm is strong enough to play anywhere on the field. He’s likely to keep posting .300 averages and should end up with 20-plus homers and slugging percentages around .500, perhaps even better if he can work on getting into better counts.

    no other cub is on the list.

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  116. Snyds01

    I lied…

    Other guys I like going forward, just not enough to rank in the top 50: Jose Altuve, Travis Snider, Jon Niese, Ben Revere, Michael Brantley, Jordan Lyles, Jason Kipnis, Mike Moustakas, Andrew Cashner.

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  117. binky

    [quote name=Rice Cube]

    I don’t think you paid them enough to not talk, MB.[/quote]I’m pretty sure they made that promise under duress.

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  118. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]I’m pretty sure they made that promise under duress.[/quote]Not to mention courts don’t enforce contracts to perform illegal activities.

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  119. binky

    [quote name=GBTS]Not to mention courts don’t enforce contracts to perform illegal activities.[/quote]Bored Judge in Need of an Amusing Anecdote for the Approaching Holidays: I’m going to hear this one out.

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  120. GBTS

    [quote name=josh]Bored Judge in Need of an Amusing Anecdote for the Approaching Holidays: I’m going to take a wait and see approach.[/quote].

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