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  1. BVS

    I just woke up from this crazy dream. I was an inn keeper, and there were these three brothers: Larry, Darryl, and Darryl; and the Cubs won the World Series, and someone killed the Hope Monster….

    Wait! Those last two are true! Unless I’m still dreaming.

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  2. dmick89

    Smokestack Lightning: I don’t think you send Fowler off because of Almora, who has earned exactly zero in my mind. And I’d be surprised if Soler is considered a big part of this team for 2017 too.

    Agree to disagree on Chapman. I’m just as fine with Jansen, but want no part of Melancon and would rather at that point save the cash and turn the keys back over to Rondon or give Strop a try.

    I’m also fine with the rotation as-is for 2017, tho at some point Theo will need to find a replacement for Arrieta.

    The problem with Jansen or Melancon is that they cost a draft pick on top of what the Cubs already gave up to get Chapman. If the front office believes that Chapman is a reasonable risk off the field, I think they go after him. I don’t want to give up a shitload at the break next year and I don’t see this organization giving up a draft pick and paying a shitload of money for a reliever.

    I’m also fine with the rotation as is. Montgomery will get plenty of starts as someone is likely to get injured. You generally need 6 to get through the season so I don’t see a need to move Hammel. I also agree on Almora and Soler. I’m also not convinced Baez needs to play every day yet. Even if he does, I think the Cubs can work it out so that he’s basically in the role Zobrist had with the Rays. Fowler and Heyward could use some more days off (especially for Heyward vs. lefties).

    As for Chapman not being on the mound when this ended, I wasn’t going to remember this game for who was on the mound when it ended. I’ll not even remember that Monty was on the mound in three weeks. I was rooting for the Cubs, not any individual player.

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  3. dmick89

    Here’s what I’m going to remember about this series: good starting pitching by the Cubs, shaky relief work, that grand slam by Addison, game winning hit by Zobrist and the best team in baseball winning it all (that doesn’t happen often enough).

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  4. Myles

    dmick89:
    Here’s what I’m going to remember about this series: good starting pitching by the Cubs, shaky relief work, that grand slam by Addison, game winning hit by Zobrist and the best team in baseball winning it all (that doesn’t happen often enough).

    I’m going to remember the look on Bryant’s face as he threw it to Rizzo at the end of the game.

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  5. Ryno

    Myles,

    This.

    I know we’re supposed to hate on Joe Buck, but his call gives me chills. Could be the subject matter, but still.

    I can’t think of a singular play in the World Series that will always stand out to me. In fact, I think the Montero grand slam in the NLCS will be the first one that comes to mind. It was at that moment that I started to think this team could be different.

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  6. Smokestack Lightning

    Ryno: In fact, I think the Montero grand slam in the NLCS will be the first one that comes to mind. It was at that moment that I started to think this team could be different.

    This.

    I began wavering a bit on my can’t-fool-me-Cubs pessimism when they came back game 4 against the Giants, but the Miggy slam was the big shove into some very scary territory.

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    josh

    I have no idea what I’ll remember. I’ll remember sitting in my shop, pacing nervously. Using my excess energy to finish the seat of the chair I’m working on. IDK. I listened to it, so I’ll remember Pat’s voice cracking when he called the victory. Fireworks in the distance.

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  8. Rice Cube

    I saw Myles’ comment on previous thread before I saw this, but I would give Schwarber a shot to catch in spring training before banishing him to the OF forever.

    Also, may the NL adopt the DH soon.

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  9. dmick89

    josh: I’ll remember sitting in my shop, pacing nervously.

    I watched last night’s game on three different TVs. I started down in the basement and then when the 2-run wild pitch occurred, I went into the living room and after the Davis home run I went upstairs to the guest bedroom where I paced around the room until it ended.

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  10. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89: I watched last night’s game on three different TVs. I started down in the basement and then when the 2-run wild pitch occurred, I went into the living room and after the Davis home run I went upstairs to the guest bedroom where I paced around the room until it ended.

    I was pretty okay until the seen-coming-from-a-mile-away-fuck-you-Joe Chapman implosion.

    Then I got, let’s say, a little weird for a while.

    Thank god for that rain delay.

    I don’t remember this, but according to my wife, when they got the last out, I said, “Fuck you, Cubs,” and then stared at the TV motionless for about ten minutes.

    I think I was rebooting.

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  11. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89:
    Myles,

    He’s still in denial about who the best team in baseball was.

    I’m sure he’s crowing this morning about how the playoffs are a crapshoot, anyone can win.

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    josh

    I’ve watched a few times, and I think Bryant’s expression was a grimace of concentration, not a smile for an easy play (because it wasn’t). Or I don’t know, maybe a bit of both.

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    josh

    I loved when Rizzo got to third on the Zobrist double and just has his hands on his head. Then he kind of looks around and goes “Oh my god”

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  14. Perkins

    So we’re all pretty confident that Kyle Schwarber will be around for a few years, right? Because I’m going to get a jersey and I’m leaning toward Schwarber.

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  15. Smokestack Lightning

    josh:
    I’ve watched a few times, and I think Bryant’s expression was a grimace of concentration, not a smile for an easy play (because it wasn’t). Or I don’t know, maybe a bit of both.

    It was a smile. Don’t wreck shit. You have been warned.

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  16. Myles

    Perkins:
    So we’re all pretty confident that Kyle Schwarber will be around for a few years, right? Because I’m going to get a jersey and I’m leaning toward Schwarber.

    Absolutely. I want a Hendricks and a Schwarber.

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  17. Perkins

    josh,

    I was initially thinking KB or Rizzo, but Schwarber and I share a birthday (a few years apart) and we both came back from complete ACL tears in a short time to get to do something important (World Series for him, deploy to Afghanistan with my unit for me). There’s more of a personal connection there. Though I’ll never understand that show choir business. (dying laughing)

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  18. SK

    Perkins,

    I need to get a Hendricks shirsey for my son, but when I checked last week they didn’t exist, and I’d have to get it made custom. I wonder if that glitch has been fixed by now.

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  19. Perkins

    josh:
    I loved Hendricks this season. Wish Joe had let him go deeper last night. But whatevs. Hope he continues to do well.

    Yeah, it’s a shame the ump blew that strike 3 call in the 5th. Probably would have seen Hendricks go 6 or 7. Though Joe may have pulled him anyway because of the third time through the order penalty.

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  20. Perkins

    dmick89: That seems like something Hendricks would have done.

    I honestly can’t see him getting that revved up about anything. Guy seems like he has ice water in his veins and I love it.

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  21. cerulean

    Perkins:
    So we’re all pretty confident that Kyle Schwarber will be around for a few years, right? Because I’m going to get a jersey and I’m leaning toward Schwarber.

    I really want Scwarbryzzobrist jersey.

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  22. SK

    David Ross can’t unretire now. Not only could he never top his final season and series, his whole life has now utterly peaked. (In a deeply satisfying way, I’m sure.)

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  23. Perkins

    A great weight was lifted from my shoulders when I realized that I didn’t care who won if it wasn’t the Cardinals
    Enjoy the win, Cubs fans!


    (except Al Yellon – I hope this victory tastes like ashes in your mouth, you unhappy curmudgeon)

    Posted by As You Van Slyke It on Nov 3, 2016 | 10:05 AM

    (dying laughing)

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  24. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89:
    Melancon was traded midseason so he won’t cost a draft pick. I’d be fine with that.

    Eh, I suppose. But he won’t be cheap. And honestly, I don’t think he’s much better, if at all, than Rondon (obviously I’m speaking of Rondon before he went down). Just as soon save that Tanaka money and wait for something better.

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  25. BVS

    dmick89:
    Here’s what I’m going to remember about this series: good starting pitching by the Cubs, shaky relief work, that grand slam by Addison, game winning hit by Zobrist and the best team in baseball winning it all (that doesn’t happen often enough).

    This, and a lead off home run by Fowler, but in 30 years I might have a hard time remembering if it was Fowler or Alfonso Soriano.

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  26. cerulean

    I haven’t forgiven Joe, but I am not forgetting that he is from California and looks like JJ Abram’s dad (all white people with 50s retro glasses look the same), so he has a penchant for creating “entertaining” conflict with unbelievable resolutions.

    I mean seriously. All that can’t have happened.

    Therefore, baseball is rigged. They pulled out all the stops to keep it from dying. Because baseball is dying.

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    josh

    I was going to say they should extend Zobrist, but then I realized they signed him for 4 years, so I amend that and say let’s go ahead and re-sign Dex.

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  28. Edwin

    I’m a little bitter that teams with Ramirez, Soriano, Zambrano, and Lee didn’t get to experience this kind of success, but oh well.

    Did anyone catch when Joe Buck was describing Kipnis growing up a Cubs fan watching “Sandberg and Grace” that he may have missed a player? I feel like there was another player in the mid to late 90’s who was a big part of the Cubs, who could maybe have even been considered the face of the Cubs.

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  29. Perkins

    If the Cubs are going to bring Sosa back into the fold, now is the time. Cubs fans have to be all out of fucks to give. It’d be great to see him and Zambrano and Wood and Ramirez and Soriano Lee at the parade.

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  30. BVS

    From MLB.com. I remembered thinking that Bryant was locked in last night on the bases, but wowwee.

    Bryant worked his way to third before tagging up and sprinting home on Addison Russell’s sacrifice fly that traveled only 232 feet to shallow center field. Statcast™ tracked 103 instances this year where a fly ball of less than 235 feet was caught by an outfielder with a runner on third and less than two outs, and players successfully tagged up just nine times (8.7 percent).

    Bryant showed off his impressive wheels again in the fifth when he scored from first on an Anthony Rizzo hit-and-run single in 8.7 seconds, which is the fastest first-to-home time recorded by any Cubs player in the Statcast™ era (2015-16).

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  31. BVS

    Perkins,

    If friggin Pete Rose and ARod can be on the Fox broadcast team, then Sosa can be in a parade.

    I say bring them all. Any ex Cub can be in the parade. Let it stretch from the Skyway bridge to Milwaukee.

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  32. Smokestack Lightning

    Rice Cube:
    Smokestack Lightning,

    Considering his team also killed the Cubs once upon a time I felt it was rather magnanimous of him to put a hex on Cleveland.

    Here’s what they did to Theo and his family.

    Game 7 brought out the best and worst in the Cubs and Indians and everyone whose emotional attachment to the organizations coursed through Progressive Field, where 38,104 people packed themselves, including Epstein, his wife, Marie, and their son, Jack. They sat in the stands, ready to witness the Cubs claw back from a three-games-to-one deficit. Passions ran deep for the Indians, too, with their 68-year championship famine and the prospect of blowing what felt like an insurmountable advantage after Game 4 palpable. Early in the game, two fans sitting near Epstein were harassing him and his family. He asked them to stop. They refused. He summoned security. Before being escorted out, a woman doused Epstein and his son with a cup of beer.

    People… smh…

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  33. Mucker

    Edwin:
    I think the big question on everybody’s mind now is:Did the beat writers ever all get their shot and a beer?

    Speaking of unanswered questions, did we ever find out who actually owns the Cubs?

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    josh

    BVS,

    Yeah, after the game, he said he thought that’s where they were going to pitch to him, so I’m sure that helped, but he executed as perfectly as you can in that situation. He’s such a fun player to watch.

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  35. Smokestack Lightning

    josh:
    My son was born a few minutes before midnight (Central time) on November 2, 6 years ago. COINCIDENCE??!?!

    Yes.

    Big if true.

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    josh

    Smokestack Lightning,

    No one wins a WS without some good luck.

    But as critical as they are of Chapman, do you trust Rondon or Strop in that spot right now? Those guys are throwing sliders that don’t slide. At least Chapman had some break on his. IDK. Given that he was out of gas, I thought he did okay, but maybe it was luck.

    Maybe it’s all luck.

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  37. Perkins

    josh,

    I’d have trusted Strop maybe. He’s looked pretty good at times since he came back from his injury. Rondon definitely needs to get back to himself over the offseason.

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    josh

    Perkins,

    You gotta hand it to Theo/Jed. Through a completely unassailable process they were able to somehow luck into a few players for which there were no guarantees and then win all the games.

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    josh

    dmick89,

    I mean, seriously. Zobrist’s bat is a tick faster or slower (or later or sooner) then that ball is fielded or goes foul. Ben did what he wanted to do, but it took a bit of luck to miss the glove. Both bullpens were spent. We got to miller, they got to Chapman. It was a grudge match and the Cubs came out on top.

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  40. Rizzo the Rat

    In retrospect, I like how the Cubs got themselves into (and out of) serious trouble in each series, even though I was rooting for clean sweeps at the time.

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  41. Perkins

    josh:
    Perkins,

    You gotta hand it to Theo/Jed. Through a completely unassailable process they were able to somehow luck into a few players for which there were no guarantees and then win all the games.

    Based on some of Theo’s comments, I’m convinced he’s actually a time lord who perceives reality in five dimensions. So they may have been more of a sure thing than we’d think.

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  42. Rizzo the Rat

    josh:
    I loved Hendricks this season. Wish Joe had let him go deeper last night. But whatevs. Hope he continues to do well.

    Removing Hendricks from the game when he had a healthy lead and was one out away from qualifying for a win seemed pretty cold-blooded to me. Of course, it’s possible that Chapman would have stolen the win for himself in any case.

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  43. Rizzo the Rat

    I also thought that any advantage gained from bringing Lester in against a lefty would be offset by the downgrade in catcher offense, but then Ross hit a homer off the best pitcher in baseball, so what do I know?

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  44. Rizzo the Rat

    I love how Ross hit a home run in his final regular season home game and also in his final professional game overall. I’m really going to miss that man, which is something I never thought I’d say at the end of the 2015 season.

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  45. BVS

    dmick89: OV could put together a baseball team and score more runs off Tomlin than the Cubs did that game. (dying laughing)

    Perkins and his bionic knee better be ready because he and Rice Cube (iirc) might be the youngest guys on the team.

    I’ll play left as long as the SS comes out pretty far to get relays and the CF is fast. Otherwise my best talent is accepting HBP, which should be ok with Tomlin pitching.

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  46. Perkins

    BVS: Perkins and his bionic knee better be ready because he and Rice Cube (iirc) might be the youngest guys on the team.

    I’ll play left as long as the SS comes out pretty far to get relays and the CF is fast. Otherwise my best talent is accepting HBP, which should be ok with Tomlin pitching.

    I was a HBP machine one year in little league. I can crowd the plate like Anthony Rizzo. (dying laughing)

    Also I can pitch. Mostly four and two seam fastballs and a straight change. But I top out around 80, so we might be in trouble.

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  47. Ryno

    Re: Sammy Sosa

    People seem forgiving if there’s an apology given.
    But he doesn’t seem interested in that.
    Posted by Al Yellon on Nov 3, 2016 | 3:45 PM

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  48. BVS

    Meanwhile, IT security monitors note a huge uptick in “CubsWin2016” passwords. …

    You might want to rethink your admin password, dmick.

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  49. Ryno

    oog,

    He’ll be easy to find. Just look for the guy in a “Can’t Argue With You Today” T-shirt humping Tom Ricketts’ leg and growling at Theo Epstein.

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