The Cubs are reportedly close to signing Doug Davis to a minor league deal. Davis has been considerably better throughout his career than most people realize. Baseball Reference uses Rally’s WAR calculation and has him at nearly 22 rWAR. Fangraphs has him at 23.5 fWAR. Last season he threw only 38.1 innings in the big leagues for the Brewers. He threw a small number of innings in the minor leagues as well, but had to miss most of the year because of a condition with his heart. He also had surgery on his elbow.
This is only a minor league deal and the truth is that if Doug Davis can return to the form he showed from 2003 to 2009, he’s a pretty good pick up for this team. His career FIP is basically league average (4.43). The ERA is also about league average and the same with xFIP. This is his age 35 season and he’s coming back from surgery and complications with his heart so even expecting him to be average is a stretch.
Marcel and ZiPS each projected a 4.42 FIP from Davis this season. If Wells and Cashner return on time, Davis is nothing more than depth. If one has a setback, Davis could see action with the Cubs. I know I’ve underrated Davis over the years and still have trouble figuring out how the ridiculously boring and time consuming Davis has given the Cubs so much trouble over the years. Only the A’s and Nationals have hit Davis worse than the Cubs have over his career. The A’s and Nationals faced Davis 9 different times while the Cubs have faced him 18 different times in the regular season.
Davis doesn’t turn this team into contenders, but for a team that thinks they are, this is about as solid a pick-up the team could have made for presumably little money.
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Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Soooo… Kind of like the White Carlos Silva?
Sans insanity, of course.
BradleyWoodrumQuote Reply
Well, this sure as hell beats Ramon Ortiz. And is better than a Jeff Russell, Jeff Stevens, Marcos Mateo combo too.
Hector VillanuevaQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Sammy Fuld is…..
fundamentally sound
a throwback
gutsy
hustles
OK we get it, he’s a white guy
by Kooter on Apr 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions
I’ll flag this one myself.
[/quote]Good work, Al! Phew, my precious Caucasian sensibilities were almost stung by that racist banter!
BradleyWoodrumQuote Reply
Maybe it’s because the Marcel tag was right below it, but I originally read that as “presumably little monkey.”
AndCountingQuote Reply
It’s too bad the Cubs were so set on getting rid of Gorzelanny. He would have come in handy right about now.
melissaQuote Reply
Calcaterra with Len:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/12/hbt-daily-talkin-cubs-with-len-kasper/
MishQuote Reply
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]It’s too bad the Cubs were so set on getting rid of Gorzelanny. He would have come in handy right about now.[/quote]
Correct.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]It’s too bad the Cubs were so set on getting rid of Gorzelanny. He would have come in handy right about now.[/quote]
I was annoyed that they traded Gorzelanny too. But, after the Garza trade it was kind of inevitable. Don’t forget that when the trade was made there was supposedly tons of pitching depth with Wells, Silva, Coleman, Jay Jackson, and Cashner all fighting for the 4th and 5th spots.
Silva being even worse than expected and Jackson getting hurt make it seem worse.
Burgess already has 4 HR in A+. If he turns into a legit prospect, the trade will have been a good one.
Hector VillanuevaQuote Reply
Josh Vitters hit a home run yesterday.
Michael Burgess hit his fourth. Why isn’t he at AA again?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Hector Villanueva ]I was annoyed that they traded Gorzelanny too. But, after the Garza trade it was kind of inevitable. Don’t forget that when the trade was made there was supposedly tons of pitching depth with Wells, Silva, Coleman, Jay Jackson, and Cashner all fighting for the 4th and 5th spots.
Silva being even worse than expected and Jackson getting hurt make it seem worse.
Burgess already has 4 HR in A+. If he turns into a legit prospect, the trade will have been a good one.[/quote]Isn’t Burgess a pitcher?
BradleyWoodrumQuote Reply
[quote name=Brad at Cubs Stats]Isn’t Burgess a pitcher?[/quote]
Methunk he was an OF.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Brad at Cubs Stats]Isn’t Burgess a pitcher?[/quote]Oh, nm. I was thinking of the throw-in pitcher from the Garza trade. Didn’t realize we were talking the Gorzo trade.
BradleyWoodrumQuote Reply
[quote name=BWoodrum]Soooo… Kind of like the White Carlos Silva?
Sans insanity, of course.[/quote]
I’ll flag this one myself.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Brad at Cubs Stats]Isn’t Burgess a pitcher?[/quote]
Someone doesn’t read his Vine Line.
Aisle424Quote Reply
The interesting thing about Carlos Silva is that he took a minor league deal with the Yankees but wouldn’t stick around with the Cubs. I think he actually chose wisely even if he’s still a dick.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Hector Villanueva ]I was annoyed that they traded Gorzelanny too. But, after the Garza trade it was kind of inevitable. Don’t forget that when the trade was made there was supposedly tons of pitching depth with Wells, Silva, Coleman, Jay Jackson, and Cashner all fighting for the 4th and 5th spots.
[/quote]
I’m not saying Gorz should have started before Wells or Cashner but he certainly would have been better to keep around than some of the garbage (JefF7 for example) that’s currently in the bullpen. Gorz had shown in the past he could transition fairly easily from bullpen to starter and back and he’s a decent lefty which they also lack.
melissaQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]The interesting thing about Carlos Silva is that he took a minor league deal with the Yankees but wouldn’t stick around with the Cubs. I think he actually chose wisely even if he’s still a dick.[/quote]
This makes total sense to me. It’s easier to go be in the Yankees minor league system than to be demoted from the Cubs.
I would much prefer to leave my company and take a lesser position elsewhere than to suffer the ignominy of being demoted.
Hector VillanuevaQuote Reply
[quote name=melissa]I’m not saying Gorz should have started before Wells or Cashner but he certainly would have been better to keep around than some of the garbage (JefF7 for example) that’s currently in the bullpen. Gorz had shown in the past he could transition fairly easily from bullpen to starter and back and he’s a decent lefty which they also lack.[/quote]
Clearly Gorz is a decent MLB pitcher. My only point was that they didn’t give him away, and they didn’t really need him either.
Hector VillanuevaQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]The interesting thing about Carlos Silva is that he took a minor league deal with the Yankees but wouldn’t stick around with the Cubs. I think he actually chose wisely even if he’s still a dick.[/quote]If what he wants is to start in the majors, he chose poorly. It could happen in NY, I guess, but he’d probably be starting today if he had been less oblivious to the limits of his talent.
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]The interesting thing about Carlos Silva is that he took a minor league deal with the Yankees but wouldn’t stick around with the Cubs. I think he actually chose wisely even if he’s still a dick.[/quote]
I think some guys just have to have the reality of a situation smack them in the face. Remember when Shawon Dunston didn’t want to move to the outfield when he was with the Cubs? he insisted he was still a shortstop. Well, the Cubs couldn’t keep paying him veteran salary to keep getting hurt while trying to play shortstop, so they let him go (or traded him or however it went). Then, all of a sudden, there was Shawon as the 4th outfielder for the Giants because nobody would let him be their shortstop.
I think Silva probably thought he could get a starting gig somewhere as soon as the Cubs released him, so he said fuck you to going to Iowa. When it turned out the minors were the best anyone was offering, he took the gig with the Yankees.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Methunk he was an OF.[/quote]
Absolutely correct.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]If what he wants is to start in the majors, he chose poorly. It could happen in NY, I guess, but he’d probably be starting today if he had been less oblivious to the limits of his talent.[/quote]Honestly, I expect the Yankees to call Silva up in a matter of weeks. Their rotation is ugly this year.
BradleyWoodrumQuote Reply
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jKRM9gJWSNE/TY1n8JMJAkI/AAAAAAAAMX4/q5q9fFJInF8/s1600/ohsalad.gif
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]If what he wants is to start in the majors, he chose poorly. It could happen in NY, I guess, but he’d probably be starting today if he had been less oblivious to the limits of his talent.[/quote][quote name=Hector Villanueva ]This makes total sense to me. It’s easier to go be in the Yankees minor league system than to be demoted from the Cubs.
I would much prefer to leave my company and take a lesser position elsewhere than to suffer the ignominy of being demoted.[/quote]
(dying laughing)
I knew I didn’t phrase that right at all.
I don’t think the Cubs handled the Silva thing very well and neither did Silva. But considering the divergent paths of each organization and the fact that the Yankees don’t appear very happy with Phil Hughes for the time being, seeing Silva on the big league Yankee roster doesn’t seem completely farfetched to me.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jKRM9gJWSNE/TY1n8JMJAkI/AAAAAAAAMX4/q5q9fFJInF8/s1600/ohsalad.gif[/quote]
You could do a similar mashup with yogurt commercials.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube](dying laughing)
I knew I didn’t phrase that right at all.
I don’t think the Cubs handled the Silva thing very well and neither did Silva. But considering the divergent paths of each organization and the fact that the Yankees don’t appear very happy with Phil Hughes for the time being, seeing Silva on the big league Yankee roster doesn’t seem completely farfetched to me.[/quote]
Too bad they didn’t want to trade Hughes for Silva (dying laughing)
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]You could do a similar mashup with yogurt commercials.[/quote]
Yogurt is a funny motherfucker. Fruit on the bottom, hope on top.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Too bad they didn’t want to trade Hughes for Silva (dying laughing)[/quote]
I actually wanted Mark Prior just for nostalgia.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
Doug deal sealed.
/gordotweet
Suburban kidQuote Reply
KG:
Last sentence sure is insightful.
MishQuote Reply
Any word if that Android app is ready for download?
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Any word if that Android app is ready for download?[/quote]It looks like it is. Now all I need to do is upgrade my Zack Morris phone.
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Any word if that Android app is ready for download?[/quote]
It would be better if it were, yes?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]It looks like it is. Now all I need to do is upgrade my Zack Morris phone.[/quote]Link?
/lazy Latin
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Link?
/lazy Latin[/quote]Scroll up. Right sidebar.
AndCountingQuote Reply
Unless you’re on your phone and it’s not showing up.
http://www.noticeorange.com/r/ObstructedView
AndCountingQuote Reply
Maybe I’m just a dumb hick, but there’s no download link once you get to that page.
GBTSQuote Reply
I still can’t get Obstructed View on this fucking phone!
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Maybe I’m just a dumb hick, but there’s no download link once you get to that page.[/quote]
Right click, then save as.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Right click, then save as.[/quote]
Don’t presume to tell me what to click.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Right click, then save as.[/quote]That just saves the aforementioned HTML page with no download link.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]That just saves the aforementioned HTML page with no download link.[/quote]
Hmm… Try CTRL + F4.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Hmm… Try CTRL + F4.[/quote]That only works on your phone, since you bought it from here
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]That just saves the aforementioned HTML page with no download link.[/quote]Is that not good enough?
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]That only works on your phone, since you bought it from here
[/quote]
Weird. Someone has altered the sign on the machine from which I purchased my phone.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
I’ll flag that one myself.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]I’ll flag that one myself.[/quote]
-1 faget point
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Common Man at TPA looked at last 15 WS winners to see who had “tainted” titles (i.e. someone accused of PEDs in Mitchell Report, Canseco’s book, or was actually caught). Only the White Sox of 2005 had no one linked:
http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2011/04/fifteen-years-of-tainted-titles.html
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Common Man at TPA looked at last 15 WS winners to see who had “tainted” titles (i.e. someone accused of PEDs in Mitchell Report, Canseco’s book, or was actually caught). Only the White Sox of 2005 had no one linked:
http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2011/04/fifteen-years-of-tainted-titles.html%5B/quote%5D
So since it wasn’t the same team every year that won and most of the winners used, we can probably just assume just about everyone was using to some extent and just move the fuck on until the time machine is completed.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]So since it wasn’t the same team every year that won and most of the winners used, we can probably just assume just about everyone was using to some extent and just move the fuck on until the time machine is completed.[/quote]
Can we still use a DeLorean?
/showing my age
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Rice Cube]Can we still use a DeLorean?
/showing my age[/quote]
Hey, that was a recent movie I enjoyed.
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]Hey, that was a recent movie I enjoyed.[/quote]
Is it like a recent movie?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
No edits. No truncation.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Hmm… Try CTRL + F4.[/quote]
Back in my day, it was ALT+F4
XoomwaffleQuote Reply
[quote name=Xoomwaffle]Back in my day, it was ALT+F4[/quote]
Recent.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]No edits. No truncation.[/quote]
What is really funny is Al’s response helped cover the fact that Crane Kenney searches for inspiration for Wrigley at Six Flags.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Aisle424Quote Reply
Soon there will be a spinning tea cups (cubs?) ride on the concourse.
MishQuote Reply
[quote name=Mish]Soon there will be a spinning tea cups (cubs?) ride on
the concourseWaveland and Sheffield.[/quote]Not enough room inside, the spinning tea cups would bring the house down.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=Jame Gumb]No edits. No truncation.[/quote]
Where is garbage like that posted?
WaLiQuote Reply
Shep (Chicago)
Hi Bruce… any chance that Tyler Colvin has an opportunity to win the RF, or is he simply a fill-in for Kosuke? I know 21’s not an All-Star yet, but it seems like no one is until they have an opportunity to be one.
i love this question
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]Shep (Chicago)
Hi Bruce… any chance that Tyler Colvin has an opportunity to win the RF, or is he simply a fill-in for Kosuke? I know 21’s not an All-Star yet, but it seems like no one is until they have an opportunity to be one.
i love this question[/quote]
No question is stupid until given the opportunity to be one.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]Link?
/lazy Latin[/quote]I don’t think it is ready yet. I just checked and it doesn’t appear to be in the store. There’s an image on the sidebar with a link to the app. You should see a button that says install on that page if you click through whenever it’s ready.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]Is that not good enough?[/quote]I know, what’s the deal? These people are picky when it comes to apps. We didn’t say it would work. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Where is garbage like that posted?[/quote]Google tells me this is the link of that interview. The entire site is just utter nonsense: http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/3/12/1368720/bcb-interview-tom-ricketts-and
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]
[/quote]There should be a hole in that shelf for 1906. If you post the best winning percentage in history and don’t win a title, you lose.
mb21Quote Reply
CK: We’ve got something else coming that you’ll like. When I was out at Six Flags last year with my kids, I took them out there in the summer and they had these misters, which were interesting. They were like a stainless steel column that you can walk up to and they sense your presence and they mist.
BCB: Is it like a misting station?
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]Where is garbage like that posted?[/quote]
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com.
Have fun!
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Google tells me this is the link of that interview. The entire site is just utter nonsense: http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/3/12/1368720/bcb-interview-tom-ricketts-and%5B/quote%5D
I refuse to go to that website anymore. I got the banhammer for calling out their fearless leader.
WaLiQuote Reply
Tom Ricketts- We are going to serve Goose Island this year at Wrigley. Ice cold, fresh Goose Island Beer. Fans will love it
Al- So its like beer?
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=WaLi]I refuse to go to that website anymore. I got the banhammer for calling out their fearless leader.[/quote]So he’s still busy banning people on a regular basis?
mb21Quote Reply
Tom Ricketts- We decided to an improved security system at wrigley. We are using new advanced cameras.
Al- So are they like a camera of some sort?
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=mb21]So he’s still busy banning people on a regular basis?[/quote]
Not sure, this was over a year ago.
WaLiQuote Reply
Tom Ricketts- We have decided that all vendors will wear bright blue jerseys. They are made of cloth, are the color blue and and cannot be more plain- all vendors will wear them.
Al- So are they a type of jersey?
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]Tom Ricketts- We have decided that all vendors will wear bright blue jerseys. They are made of cloth, are the color blue and and cannot be more plain- all vendors will wear them.
Al- So are they a type of jersey?[/quote]
Are they like fagets?
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
Tom Ricketts-We’ve decided that when fans get too unruly or make racist comments toward players, then we won’t allow them to come back to the park.
Al-So it’s like a banning?
PerkinsQuote Reply
Tom Ricketts- My family is owner of the team. I am the chairman. I run the team’s day to day.
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
dylanjQuote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]Tom Ricketts- My family is owner of the team. I am the chairman. I run the team’s day to day.
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?[/quote]
Did I run?
/Marlon’d
melissaQuote Reply
http://hirejimessian.com/2011/04/12/the-millars-tale/
Hilarious.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=dylanj]Tom Ricketts- My family is owner of the team. I am the chairman. I run the team’s day to day.
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?
al- So are you the owner?[/quote]
That was a good one too.
Dr. Aneus TaintQuote Reply
the misting station just sums up everything about Al. hilarity
dylanjQuote Reply
lineup today vs RHP Brett Myers
Castro
Barney
Byrd
Ramirez
Pena
Soriano
Soto
Colvin
Russell
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]lineup today vs RHP Brett Myers
Castro
Barney (BAH)
Byrd
Ramirez
Pena
Soriano
Soto (*tear*)
Colvin
Russell[/quote]
Barney did pretty good against shoddy pitching but I don’t think he’s going to do so hot against Myers.
Rice CubeQuote Reply
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=MVP-2011
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=DPOY-2011
It’s been a good run, but I think it’s time to put Jack Ramsay down.
GBTSQuote Reply
Barney is on pace to hit .400 this season so I’m good with him hitting 2nd. (dying laughing)
mb21Quote Reply
I like the DOug davis signing. He always kills us. This stops him from killing us
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
If the Cubs signed everybody that killed them they’d have a 795-man roster.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]If the Cubs signed everybody that killed them they’d have a 795-man roster.[/quote]It would essentially be the Cubs vs. Ross Ohlendorf every day.
GBTSQuote Reply
[quote name=GBTS]It would essentially be the Cubs vs. Ross Ohlendorf every day.[/quote]Cubs lose.
mb21Quote Reply
If it was Cubs vs. Carlos Silva every day, they might break .500.
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I like the DOug davis signing. He always kills us. This stops him from killing us[/quote]While I really don’t like the idea of signing ex-Brewers pitchers, I’m just glad it’s not Dave Bush, Manny Parra, Chris Capuano or Jeff Suppan.
Glendon Rusch was enough, thanks.
Suburban kidQuote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I like the DOug davis signing. He always kills us. This stops him from killing us[/quote]
Otherwise known as the Blauser Theorem.
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]Otherwise known as the Blauser Theorem.[/quote](dying laughing)
A direct descendant of the Howard Johnson Doctrine.
GBTSQuote Reply
Nothing will ever top the Rodney Myers Theorem
mb21Quote Reply
[quote name=mb21]Nothing will ever top the Rodney Myers Theorem[/quote]
The Al Yellon Proposition?
BerseliusQuote Reply
[quote name=Berselius]The Al Yellon Proposition?[/quote]Nothing to see here.
mb21Quote Reply
The Cubs just e-mailed this to me:
“If you need to purchase extra tickets to additional games, please contact me and I’ll be happy to assist you, based on availability. While there is limited availability or no availability for some of our marquee games, I can still help you secure additional tickets for many games throughout the season.”
For $10?
WenningtonsGorillaCockQuote Reply
Coming soon to boost sales at Wrigley:
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]
For $10?[/quote].
[quote name=Cubs ticket rep]Deal![/quote].
Suburban kidQuote Reply
I would bet he is like 9-1 against us
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I would bet he is like 9-1 against us[/quote]
Amusing, but false…just 9-8.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=davisdo02&year=Career&t=p
Rice CubeQuote Reply
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I would bet he is like 9-1 against us[/quote]
You’re half right. 9-8. 3.55 ERA 1.20 WHIP in 18 games.
Aisle424Quote Reply
Hmmmm we hit him up recently
bubblesdachimpQuote Reply
Josh Hamilton —-> Broken right shoulder —–> out 6-8 weeks
Aisle424Quote Reply
Aisle424Quote Reply
[quote name=Aisle424]You’re half right. 9-8. 3.55 ERA 1.20 WHIP in 18 games.[/quote]He has allowed the lowest OPS vs the Cubs of any team he’s faced 10 or more times. overall, only 2 teams were worse. He carved the Cubs up for a long time, but I think bdc is right. I think the Cubs had his number in recent years.
I hate watching Doug Davis pitch. He’s as slow as Steve Trachsel on that mound and I have no idea why MLB allows that stuff. They’d have a lot more fans if they worried more about speeding up the game than they do performance enhancing drugs.
mb21Quote Reply
Cue the mb21 MLB stupidly puts their players in danger for the sake of tradition post in 3, 2, 1…
AndCountingQuote Reply
[quote name=AndCounting]Cue the mb21 MLB stupidly puts their players in danger for the sake of tradition post in 3, 2, 1…[/quote]At least there’s no flag pole in the field of play. (dying laughing)
game thread up: http://obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/games/chicago-cubs-at-houston-astros-4-12-11.html
mb21Quote Reply