
I honestly should have gone to bed already, but a trade has happened involving the best pitcher on the block:
The Dodgers are acquiring two-time AL Cy Young winner Tarik Skubal from the Tigers for three prospects, a source told MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand. Detroit is getting outfielder Zyhir Hope (L.A.’s No. 5 prospect and MLB’s No. 25), right-hander River Ryan (No. 7, MLB No. 68) and right-hander Brady Smith (Dodgers’ No. 17). The clubs have not confirmed the trade.
I only did the headline facetiously as any club probably could have beaten that package if they wanted to, and also generally MLB dot com doesn’t post something if it isn’t going to happen, and since this is a Passan bomb, it’s inevitably going to be announced. The Dodgers did what any team going for it should do, albeit they have a tougher stomach for absorbing salary and giving up prospects.
We do know that the Cubs have been transparent about the need for pitching, and while the farm system isn’t tops in the game, they should have had the pieces to match or beat the Dodgers if Jed wanted to. That they didn’t push in suggests they have an alternative plan (hopefully a good one). What’s more surprising is how Milwaukee didn’t match or beat this offer. But I’m sure we’ll have a more comprehensive postmortem on this and other trades at a more decent hour, possibly on the upcoming pod.
Hope was of course part of the package to bring Michael Busch to the Cubs
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Let’s go Detmers I guess
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I can’t tell if the Marinières are white flagging it or if I just haven’t been paying attention to their rotation
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berselius,
I believe it was essentially a salary dump, but Mariners guys like Kirby are apparently also available so who knows
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Given the Dodgers were already a super team, this feels less decisive than if the Brewers had acquired Skubal.
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Rice Cube,
(dying laughing)
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berselius,
I assume he’s being silly but I honestly don’t know anymore
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I’ll say MLB does not need a salary cap, they need to prevent the Dodgers from hoarding revenue and having weird advantages that no other team seems to have
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Rice Cube,
I would change the luxury tax calculation such that teams can’t amortize deferred money over the full payment term and have to count it for the years the player will actually be playing baseball. I don’t have an issue with deferred money for cash flow, but teams shouldn’t be able to use it as a loophole as the Dodgers have done.
Not sure if that’s coming out clearly, but if a player signs a $700MM contract for 10 years that pays out over 20, the luxury tax hit should be $700MM over 10 years.
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Perkins,
I would find that acceptable
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Love too have total silence on the cubs radio stream, only broken up by the ad break inserts
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Rice Cube,
Weird advantages = good execs on this one, no salary cap would have made a serious difference here
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Bombed my Grid but this was easy
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Apparently Colin Rea is the best pitcher in baseball or something.
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(dying laughing)
Sorry.
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andcounting,
damn maybe we could flip him for Skubal
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lazily quoting Calcaterra
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Jamo —–> BJs
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berselius,
I like all of this, but I would add to it this other layer of annoyance: if the offers of prospects from other teams were similar, why would the Tigers choose the Dodgers? Because that is what Skubal wanted? No way. Because the Dodgers winning another World Series bolsters public support of a salary cap? That theory I believe. And it sucks.
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Great series so far. This is fun.
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Nico is far and away the worst Cub at not challenging when he should. Cost them at least a run.
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Damn, should have challenged ball four
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andcounting,
My questions are 1) were the offers from other teams comparable? and 2) if other teams didn’t make comparable offers, is that because Skubal’s camp floated that his preference is to sign with the Dodgers in the offseason and the opportunity he buys another team this year isn’t worth the cost of acquisition?
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Perkins,
Heh, at least option 2 implies that teams expect that there will be a 2027
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You’d think they have some kind of SOP where anything close in a critical late game situation is worth a challenge.
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Perkins,
On question 1 I think we’ll get a pretty definitive answer from whatever deal they ultimately make for a starter. On the second part I have to wonder how any team (other than the Dodgers, I guess) would seriously consider prospective 2027 free agent signings in their trade deadline decisions right now. I would bet the Brewers aren’t looking too far past early November in their strategy at the moment.
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The lack of mega trades less than 24 hours to the deadline is impressive
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Passan gonna stealth bomb us while I’m taking a shower, Cubs in ninja mode again
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Gausman ———> Cubs
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dmick89,
Wonder if there’s more, the rumored return seems light
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Bleh
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I didn’t have my sights set too high and figured the cubs would target useful but non flashy guys but this barely qualifies
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They can still grab Jose Quintana 2.0 from the angels
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Rice Cube,
Seems right to me. Southisene is a top 30 prospect in the system and has looked good so far. 13th at MLB. Bateman is 27th. Both hitting really well this year. Southisene is also quite good at D, from what I saw at Myrtle Beach.
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BVS,
I meant light in terms of Cubs cost, they still have most of the system left to unload on even more
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Rice Cube,
Ah. Gotcha. Saving El Jaguar and Hartshorn for Soriano.
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Not sad to see Mahle go to Braves. I think he’s basically way past peak but seemed like the kind of guy Jed would target.
Gaussman only some past peak. (dying laughing)
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Gausman has a 3.51 FIP this season so maybe playing in front of the Cubs defense will help his results.
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Perkins,
Peterson probably called him, now Pitch Lab has to try to emphasize the ground ball pitches
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I wonder if the Cubs will issue 34 to Gausman. Feels like they’ve been keeping it out of circulation since Lester, and Wood before that.
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Easy
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Perkins,
Thinking he gets a different one because 34 is relatively sacred
Hmmm, Jose Soriano to Toronto
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Rice Cube,
Good move by both, BJs lose a rental SP to us, get a confrollable SP from LAA. They give up a top SS prospect which LAA uses to backfill Neto when he is traded.
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Brooks Raley to Philadelphia. Kinda wanted him back for sentimental reasons as the last active player from the 2012-13 Cubs. Who’d have guessed he’d be the last man standing of that group when it had Rizzo, Castro, and Hector Rondon? Also the last active player to have played with Alfonso Soriano.
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BVS,
I still call him Boo Radley in my head, (dying laughing), I think that was a CubbieJulie-ism
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BVS,
I feel like there’s a universe in which Starlin Castro is still playing ball and has 2500+ hits. If I had a nickel for every 2010s Cubs middle infielder whose career ended after committing domestic violence, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
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Perkins,
I just feel like they could be not domestically violent but apparently that’s hard or something
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Perkins,
Maybe they were coaching each other
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BVS,
They did play together for at least one season and Rizzo has been pretty transparent about how Castro used to mentor the younger players all the time so…
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You’d certainly hope so. I just assume the majority of professional athletes are not very good people. Of the guys on the 2016 team, the only one I’m reasonably confident I’d get along with is Kyle Hendricks.
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The Rangers suddenly became sellers and this shit is going allll the way to 5 PM.
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andcounting,
This is one wild game of chicken
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Cerami (BN) says the Cubs got Reid Detmers, waiting for Passan bomb confirmation
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Rice Cube,
Potentially false alarm but there might still be legs…3 hours left
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Giggles
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Pirates grabbed Luke Weaver…I believe there is one more Cubs-Pirates series to go, when I shall get the Sammy Sosa bobblehead in September
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Pirates being buyers is certainly a choice.
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Hmm!
Previously cromulent, probably a PTBNL/cash/prospect way down the charts deal given this season
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Passan agrees on Garrett. Feinsand says no on Detmers, but he means nothing.
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andcounting,
And by he, I mean Feinsand.
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The Brewers get May and Romero from the Cardinals? That’s rude.
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Wow at the Os trading Adley
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Find someone who loves you as much as Jed loves acquiring recently injured pitchers
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andcounting,
Sound like Jesse Rogers also says no in Detmers, YMMV if he too means nothing
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Bert better bump that hosting bill (dying laughing)
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This is fun
Seems a bit wild but gets the Ks
Also BN might be broken, site seems down
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Ah it isn’t just me then, Bert must be thrilled
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Interesting! I am fine with this
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Wonder if the Zeferjahn deal was discussed as a larger deal including Detmers and that’s how we got the conflicting reports of a deal being done for Detmers.
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Oh wow. Varsho to Houston.
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dmick89,
It’s possible, which is why I admire that Passan waits for full details before the bomb and the other guys seem to be a tad too trigger happy
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Rice Cube,
They let my Moises go?!??
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The Cubs still need another good starter.
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andcounting,
Alas yes, but he wasn’t going to crack that lineup at this point…seems a good use of resources, even if we all enjoyed Mo
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Mo also probably wasn’t going to stick at catcher in the Cubs organization. Maybe not any organization. Too bad because I loved watching him swing the bat.
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Uh
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Rice Cube,
Let’s hope Rojas doesn’t become the next PCA. That’s a steep price for a likely rental.
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Perkins,
They traded Gleyber for essentially a rental once, sometimes you just go for it and worry about 2032 later
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Looks like BN had to retract the Detmers thing, it’s all good
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Rice Cube,
And I think Holmes has a 2027 option, so there’s some chance he exercises it or the Cubs work out an extension.
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I’m kind of surprised the Cubs managed to keep Shaw. I figured he’d be dealt for pitching
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When will Holmes return from his injury?
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Perkins,
There probably won’t be a 2027 season.
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dmick89,
Sounds like he made a final rehab start, so I’d expect soon. I also am not betting on a 2027 season (at least a full one), but I’m trying to maintain some optimism.
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dmick89,
That’s an offseason thing methinks…depending on when 2027 season actually starts
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That Mets trade. Hwoa.
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Legit happy Jed didn’t fall asleep this year so we have stuff to talk about (dying laughing)
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Does Brown go back to the bullpen when he returns?
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dmick89,
I think that’s the plan, he’s running out of time to really ramp up to start again
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Five minutes…(plus stoppage time for all the backlogged reports to come out)
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I’d bet they also don’t want to risk reinjury for Brown with a starter’s workload.
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Oh, Angles
They didn’t have to trade them but what could have been
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heck yeah on clay holmes, bummed about detmers not happening
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My dombrowski-ness is meh over Rojas. For every PCA there’s 20 Hak-Ju Lees
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and (dying laughing) at Hoyer trading for another injured pitcher
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berselius,
These ones are at least rehabbing!
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Mize to Padres in a buzzer beater.
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andcounting,
Don’t tell Jose Altuve (dying laughing)
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Luke Little DFA is on the transactions page
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No Detmers is a bummer but this is probably the best trade deadline since Hoyer took over as POBO.
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I guess Marquee reported that Detmers didn’t pass medical review?
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Rice Cube,
Our long nightmare is over
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andcounting,
Oh shit
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Still some (dying laughing) but a rough day to be Bert Taylor. Looking forward to the BN Pod postmortem of the shitshow (dying laughing)
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andcounting,
I didn’t see that, wonder if anyone writes that up
Go Cubs
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Every time I see Pages come to bat I think that Mike Schur needs to sue him for stealing Mose Schrute’s beard
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Why tho
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Ffs edman again
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I hope every single Dodgers player tears an ACL before the postseason.
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At least the dodgers didn’t trade for Geno Suarez
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Boyd forgot to make his sacrifice to the BABIP gods today, though he should be ashamed of the pitch to Edman
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Seiya!
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Seiya!
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Pitcher’s duel.
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andcounting,
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berselius,
(dying laughing)
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Upon further review, Boyd pickoff claims another victim
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Cubs and Dodgers have some absolutely epic replay challenges. That’s was one I recently enjoyed.
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Cubs legend KA
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Fuck yeah, Alcantara.
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So many good Kevin gifs
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Jed Hoyer in the booth three pitches earlier said he predicted the Jaguar would homer today. (dying laughing)
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andcounting,
Jed extension imminent
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Jed Hoyer with the stealth homage to Jim Hendry, mentioning that they’ve been trying to trade for Gausman since he was on the Orioles. His personal Brian Roberts
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Rice Cube,
This is a family broadcast, sir
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Kelly!
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Kelly!
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Hmmm, a two-run homer every inning is a pretty good strategy
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berselius,
They should have thrown Gausman in with Arrieta and Strop.
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Fortunate
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Props to the Marquee broadcast for issuing a Jeff Garlin warning
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Come on guys, stick with the plan!
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Touchdown, Cubs!
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Thanks Kyle (dying laughing)
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Shitty sequence of events with Dansby getting thrown out after Happ’s ball 4 was called a strike.
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Still amazed at PCA’s new plate approach.
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Busch!!!
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Brewers lost btw
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berselius,
I was at that game! Hendricks exiting to a reprise of “Sweet Emotion” was a hell of a moment.
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New shit you can listen to –> https://www.obstructedview.net/podcast/dreamcast-131-pitch-meeting/
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