Theo Epstein on the closer by committee in 2003

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Prior to the season, Jim Leyland expressed why he doesn't want to use a closer by committe. I appreciated his honesty.

And you automatically understand — and this sounds kind of selfish, but I told you this all along — there is no question that it makes it a hundred times better when you have a closer that is a closer — and a good one — because it takes a lot of pressure off the manager.

We can (talk) all we want, but I can tell you right now that if we have to mix-and-match, it will be a second-guessing-haven delight. Because if you use Coke, well, why didn't use Benoit? If you used Benoit, well, why didn't you use Villarreal, if he's on the team? If you use Villarreal, why didn't you use Alburquerque? He was fresh. I'm supposed to know how to use my pitching, so that doesn't bother me. But when you don't have a closer, you're open game."

GW bolded that portion of Leyland's comment.

In 2003 the Red Sox briefly tried a closer by committe and here's what Theo Epstein has to say about it a decade later.

"We felt like if we could have acquired a closer that was a lot better guy, we would have gone with conventional roles and tell everyone the roles in the 'pen and avoided some of the controversy," Epstein said. "Since we couldn't we let Urbina walk, we let [Cliff] Floyd walk that winter. We were lowering payroll, we wanted to spread some of the remaining money around and we wanted to get draft picks. We felt like the best plan was to get a bunch of good arms and see what happened. It was bad execution because a few of the guys we got didn't perform early so it became a huge controversy. In hindsight we were a little naive how big a story it was going to become and how it was going to take on a life of its own in a detrimental fashion."

Since bullpens are so volatile, you can never really count on every guy having as strong a season as you expect. In such a short amount of playing time like relievers get, even a really good reliever can have a bad season. A bad reliever can have a good season.

A closer by committee, if tried over a long period of time, would surely result in a few more wins, but it can be a disaster in any one season. A disaster that's not necessary on the field, but in the dugout and executive booth. There's no doubt that having set roles in the bullpen makes a manager's job easier, both on the field and off. It's especially easier off the field when the second guessers come out.

"It's just a balancing act," Epstein said. "If you have a manager who buys into it and relievers who buy into it, the way Jim Leyland does at times, finds the right matchup. If you have a great left-handed set-up guy and you have two or three left-handers up in the ninth inning they can close that day, you don't have to make a big production of it. One lesson learned is the less said about it the better. You assemble the most talent you can in the bullpen and let your manager figure it out and hopefully not be bound to make in-game decisions that don't make sense just because of convention.

"This happens all the time. What does it tell you that it happens more often when the game is more important? It probably shows it's probably the best strategy to help you win games, but it's also more difficult to manage publicly and internally over 162."

A decade ago I thought that bullpens would be used in this fashion today, but it's probably never going to happen.

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  1. josh

    Do other sports have this much trouble of nitpicking and ego? Could you imagine a marathon runner being stopped every mile and asked about every step he made in that segment? Are we totally incapable of looking at the bigger picture?

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  2. Rice Cube

    The Cubs at this point are trying a closer-by-committee by default since they are apparently not telling Marmol when he’s gonna be the closer (dying laughing)

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    dmick89

    @ josh:
    I don’t know. I would imagine that any sport with a large following would have a lot. I think the primary difference between baseball and other sports like football is the number of games. I think it would be even worse if there were 162 games per season in the NFL. Everybody would be dead, but that’s another issue.

    We have a short memory. By the time an NFL team plays again, people have forgotten about the last dumb thing the coach did. In baseball, those can add up over a few days.

    I don’t know. That’s the best I can come up with.

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    dmick89

    @ Rice Cube:
    You did a great job. I dislike the draft in all sports. It would also be a hell of a lot more exciting for the fans to do away with it. Instead of picking a player or two that ranks at the top, we could be talking about the Cubs, or some other team, acquiring more than one. It would be awesome.

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    dmick89

    @ Berselius:
    Haven’t had time to read all that he’s written, but it’s only going to get worse with the Ricketts family spending half a billion to renovate Wrigley. We know it will end up costing more than that. This team essentially has only one to contend over the next decade: get luckier than shit.

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  6. josh

    @ dmick89:
    To me, this comment exemplifies the fatal flaw of this approach. It isn’t really about player freedom, there’s an inherently selfish motivation. And a failure to consider the larger ecosystem of baseball. I see baseball shrinking or dying under a total free market system. Some mutual cooperation/sacrifice benefits the sport as a whole.

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  7. Notryno

    The 49ers believe No. 18 pick Eric Reid has the ability to be an “all-around safety.” “He can play high, he can play low, he’s done a lot in the back half, and he’s done a lot moving up into the box,” GM Trent Baalke said. “We felt he inserted strong and played the type of ball that we wanted to see out of safety.” CSN Bay Area’s Matt Maiocco believes the Niners will be disappointed if Reid can’t earn a starting job opposite Donte Whitner “decisively.” Reid should have what it takes to beat out Craig Dahl.
    — rotoworld

    Did we draft a safety or a rapist?

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  8. Notryno

    A member of the Cowboys staff told a reporter that he was “baffled beyond belief, to put it lightly” regarding the Travis Frederick pick. I’m telling you, Jerry Jones thought they were in the third round.

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  9. Notryno

    Jason Garrett reportedly had his head in his hands when DAL picked Frederick. Scouts were apparently arguing with Steven Jones before the pick.

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    dmick89

    1. CF: Dave Sappelt
    2. SS: Starlin Castro
    3. 1B: Anthony Rizzo
    4. LF: Alfonso Soriano
    5. C: Welington Castillo
    6. RF: Scott Hairston
    7. 3B: Cody Ransom
    8. 2B: Darwin Barney
    9. SP: Scott Feldman

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  11. Negative Faget Point Bandit

    dmick89 wrote:

    1. CF: Dave Sappelt
    2. SS: Starlin Castro
    3. 1B: Anthony Rizzo
    4. LF: Alfonso Soriano
    5. C: Welington Castillo
    6. RF: Scott Hairston
    7. 3B: Cody Ransom
    8. 2B: Darwin Barney
    9. SP: Scott Feldman

    What is the Dallas Cowboys’ draft board.

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  12. Rice Cube

    Not sure what he said, but…

    Matt garza ‏@Gdeuceswild Protected account 1h
    @bleedcubbieblue I appreciate your support, but lets keep your snide comments quiet! Way to be a supportive fan! #douche

    (dying laughing)

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  13. Rizzo the Rat

    Rizzo now has more home runs than the Marlins. (Yes, I’ll keep doing this until a clear winner emerges.)

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  14. Rizzo the Rat

    The Marlins are trying to save money by not running that home run display they have out in center field (they’ve only hit 1 home run at home all year).

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  15. Rizzo the Rat

    @ dmick89:
    Eh, believe it or not, the Cubs are third in the league in homers, even though some of their top sluggers like Valbuena, DeJesus and Shierholtz are on the bench.

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  16. WaLi

    This year Rizzo has an OPS of .623 vs RHP and 1.110 vs LHP

    Last year it was .892 v RHP and .599 v LHP

    4 of his HR came off the 1st pitch where he is sporting a 1.736 OPS

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    dmick89

    This was apparently the tweet from Alvin that got Garza all upset:

    Al Yellon ‏@bleedcubbieblue Maybe they can actually teach him how to field RT @mickgillispie: Great to see Matt Garza talking PFP’s with the Smokies pitchers

    I think Garza overreacted a bit. Al isn’t the only one who thought that.

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    dmick89

    Can someone explain to me why people are upset about a business owner demanding a change be made? A lot of things can be said about Loria, but the fact that he meddles isn’t really a strike against him. What business owners don’t meddle?

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  19. SVB

    @ dmick89:
    I don’t think it is the meddling as much as people think he’s an outright liar and betrayed the public trust by getting the ballpark built and then selling off his team’s on-field assets.

    Steinbrenner meddled all the time, but he put a winner on the field. I don’t remember if he got public money for Yankee Stadium renovation, but he didn’t gut the team after.

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