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Iowa

Lots of hitting going on as Iowa put up 13 on Memphis.

Brett Jackson went 4-5 and raised his batting average by almost 30 points. Adrian Cardenas went 3-5 and really by this point should be here over DeWitt. Vitters went 2-5 and Dave Sappelt went 3-6 with a HR. 

Smokies

Logan Watkins had a great game going 2-5 with a HR and SB. Kevin Rhoderick is working on his 2nd straight year of dominance in the bullpen. Hopefully we see him sooner than later in Chicago. 

Daytona

Austin Kirk continues to have the best season of any SP in our system going 8 IP and allowing 2 ER. Kirk is sporting a 1.54 ERA but not striking a ton of guys out and does not have great stuff. Its hard to see him as anything other than a fringy 5th or most likely a bullpen arm. The Cubs decided to move Szrzrz to the 3 spot after his recent hot streak but he went 0-5. 

Peoria

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    Mercurial Outfielder

    Kramerica Industries would like to inquire about a possible sponsorship of Children Are the Future.

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    Mish

    @ Mish:

    As you can surmise from the numbers, Jackson has an intriguing mixture of power and speed. Listed at 6-2, 210, the 23-year-old left-handed hitter doesn’t have a poor tool: all of his tools are at least average. His arm is his weakest asset, with average strength but good accuracy. His power would rank about 60 on the 20-80 scale. His speed is also in the 60-range, although he may lose some of that as he gets older. He is a skilled stealer and an efficient baserunner, stealing bases at a 76% success clip in his minor league career. Defense is also a strength: he has experience at all three outfield spots but his speed and arm work very well in center.

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  3. gaius marius

    completely off-topic and i’m sure no one cares, but what do you fine people make of Pujols small-sample collapse?

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    dylanj

    just a weird baseball thing. I’m sure Albert will be Albert by the end of the year. Or it would be the craziest collapse of all time. I’ll take a wait and see approach

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  5. gaius marius

    dylanj wrote:

    wait and see approach

    prudent. stay the course. thousand points of light.

    it is interesting to see the deterioration though pitchf/x, though. he’s being exploited on the offspeed stuff. one has to wonder if that’s a consequence of getting to know pitchers, being patient and getting behind in the count (only 12 of his 96 AB went to 2-0, which is down from 18%; been 0-2 35 times, up from 22%) — or if this is the tipping point in a falloff from prime form that’s already a few years past, and they’ve started to exploit him cheating to catch up with the fastball.

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    mikeakaleroy

    @ Edwin:

    Cardenas played 3B at the iCubs game I went to. I was disappointed to not see Vitters, but Cardenas went 2-3 with a walk, run, and 4 RBI.

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    dylanj

    Cardenas will be a nice utility man. His glove sucks just about everywhere but his bat will play

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    josh

    @ gaius marius:
    My guess is that he’s suffering from aging-hitter-slow-start syndrome. Think D. Lee and A. Ram. It’s impressive that he went this long without having slow starts, but he’s probably going to start looking more human going forward. He’ll still have some awesome hitting streaks, though. He’ll probably end up with his best season yet.

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  9. Berselius

    @ gaius marius:

    I think it’s nothing to worry about either. FWIW he also slumped last April. The grim spectre hanging over Pujols is vague questions about his age, but even if he’s older it’s not like he aged 4 years in the past 6 months.

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    mb21

    @ gaius marius:
    I think he has a BABIP problem. If you go back to 2007 and 2008 he had 8 of the 12 months in which his BABIP was well above average. In 2009 it dropped to just 3 and only one of them stood out with regards to a typical .300 BABIP. In 2010 he had only 2 months with an above average BABIP. And the same thing last year. His BABIP has been in decline since the 2008 season and pretty much everything else has been in decline since the 2009 season. His BB Rate, ISO, OBP, SLG, his wOBA of course and even his baserunning is just plain bad at this point. Defensively he’s still been average or better for the most part. His BB/K has declined for several years. He’s clearly in decline, which isn’t surprising considering his age.

    He still has a .381 rest of season ZiPS, but combined with his terrible start he’s in the .350s and not even reaching 5 fWAR.

    It’s kind of funny. In about 5 years the Soriano signing won’t even be considered one of the 5 worst and it probably shouldn’t be now. Between the A-Rod, Lackey, Crawford, Pujols, Werth, Howard, and Fielder contracts Soriano’s won’t even be among the 10 worst. They say teams have gotten smarter about long-term contracts, but I think they’re dumber than ever. That’s especially true when you consider how many young players are locked up to team friendly contracts these days. The percentage of just plain stupid long-term contracts for free agents is at an all-time high. In 15 years some of the players I just named won’t even be in the top 5 worst contracts.

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    mb21

    Stewart has hit .161/.244/.236 over his last 221 plate appearances (2011 and 2012 seasons). Someone should compile a list of pitchers who have hit better than that.

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    josh

    @ mb21:
    I think this is one of the long-term side effects of the new CBA reaction that we will see. The Cubs may not have much to bargain with at the moment, but in a few years, a lot of teams are going to be saddled with players they locked up young who never reached expectations, or who were good five years ago. That’s why I think there will be some long-term averaging out after all these rushes to lock up the Aybars and Molinas and Vottos.

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  13. gaius marius

    @ mb21:

    it’ll definitely be the worst contract ever signed, imo. it’s as though these teams don’t think they have to pay the last five years of these contracts. the WAR he gives the Angels will probably be the most expensive WAR in history. Saint Louis showed their typical acumen in letting him go.

    the BABIP thing is particularly interesting this year with his LD% so high. but his ISO is completely gone as well. some chatter about how he’s barely driven a ball to the warning track this year. and no walks all of a sudden.

    some of this stuff makes me think of Sammy’s spectacular decline. when ageing players hit that tipping point, it can be gruesome.

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    mb21

    @ Berselius:
    There is some truth to players like him aging better, but the fact is that players like that are a leg injury away from being worthless (see Soriano). I’ve got a post coming up next week on Chicago Side that did a comparison between Soriano and Crawford in terms of their expected value over the life of their contracts at this point and there is almost no way that Crawford is even as valuable as Soriano. That part of the post was cut out so I’ll probably carry it over here at some point, but the bottom line is this: if the Soriano contract is a terrible one, the Crawford contract is even worse. There’s just no way around it. That will easily be Theo’s worst signing just as Soriano was Hendry’s worst. To make things worse, Lackey is much less valuable than Zambrano was and relative to what they were paid the Cubs got more value out of Fukudome than the Sox did Dice-K. I used those 3 Cubs because they were the 3 albatrosses the fans and media mentioned so often. Being able to compare Fukudome to Dice-K was a result of the contracts and not them being from Japan. Though one could easily argue the Sox weren’t as good at estimating value from Dice-K as the Cubs were for Fukudome.

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    mb21

    @ gaius marius:
    I think the Fielder one will top the Pujols one, but that’s just my opinion. I think Pujols will rebound this year. I’m not sure I can put all that much into 100 plate appearances, but the trend is obvious. Pujols is much, much slower and his BABIP has declined significantly. That’s not going to reverse itself over the long haul. It will bottom out at some point and we may not be far from that, but he’s not hitting for as much power either. His baserunning, which I always thought was awesome, is basically gone. He’s not that unlike Aramis Ramirez on the bases and he was one of the worst baserunners the last few seasons. I imagine his defense will begin to slip too. It’s kind of surprising it hasn’t.

    What’s remarkable to me is all the bad contracts signed in recent years. This tells me that sabermetricians are wrong about the long-term contract bonus that teams should be getting. They say 10% off for 3 years or more, but I’m think it’s probably more like 10% for 3 years, 12% for 4 and so on. There’s just no way that a 10 year deal should get the team the same bonus that a 3-year deal would. It also tells us something we already knew: projecting value 3, 4 or 5 years out is next to impossible. I could agree that so and so would project to be this good in 4 years if healthy and if this and if that, but outside of those qualifications I think it’s a waste of time.

    I like what the Phillies did with Cliff Lee and I think we’ll see more of that. You’d be better off paying someone $150 million over 5 years than $250 million over 10 years.

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    mb21

    @ Berselius:
    Oh yeah, I knew that and was mostly responding to those who have said what you said sarcastically.

    Tony Campana right now is fun to watch, but imagine if he tears his ACL. Done. Obviously Crawford has more skills than Campana, but leg injuries to players with speed is kind of like wrist injuries to players with power. Too bad for Crawford that he has both a wrist injury and a leg injury.

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    josh

    @ mb21:
    Juan Pierre has done an okay job being a primarily speed player. His year in Chicago was actually one of his top three seasons, according to fangraphs (by WAR). Not all speed players get injured.

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    EnricoPallazzo

    mb21 wrote:

    They say teams have gotten smarter about long-term contracts, but I think they’re dumber than ever.

    so what the fuck is the problem? why do teams keep doing this? i have to assume that they’ve figured out that even if they eat a large portion of the contract, the jump in initial ticket sales or tv rights or whatever will be enough to offset the shitty contract. but that doesn’t seem like it would be true.

    i just don’t get it…flop after flop and still you see teams signing these massive contracts. every time i see a huge contract turn out horribly, i think, “ok, great, that is one more example of why teams shouldn’t be signing 8-year $180m contracts. surely GMs are learning their lesson. payrolls will soon stabilize and some kind of sanity will return to mlb salaries.” which is obviously a stupid and naive way of thinking.

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    josh

    @ EnricoPallazzo:
    Fear of losing the contract, partly. The GM is under constant pressure to produce winning teams. If the Tigers don’t sign Fielder and he opts for a contract nearly as ridiculous elsewhere, the GM can congratulate himself on a job well done, but fan perception is that the team better damn well win the division that year, and if they don’t, they call for the GM’s head, and often get it.

    I think agents like Boras are really good at exploiting GMs’ fears. I have no evidence of that, though.

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    josh

    @ mb21:
    True. It’s probably a good enough reason not to sign a speed guy to crazy money. The injury angle is especially acute. Hamilton is injured 1/4 of every season, but still produces like crazy. Campana’s WAR would be -10 if he lost his speed.

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  21. Berselius

    It’s tough to evaluate GMs on those monster long term deals. Ownership is always going to play a role in those signings, as we saw with McDonough and Soriano, and I suspect similar things are true for players like A-Rod (Steinbrenner giving the finger to BOS), the Red Sox laying out big dollars for Lackey, Crawford, and Gonzalez, or the Angels going balls out for Pujols and Wilson. I don’t feel as comfortable applying sabermetric analysis to these megadeals because such outside influcences affect them. Also because they always look awful (dying laughing). The main power of sabermetrics is still around the margins.

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  22. Berselius

    mb21 wrote:

    That would be a SS with 609 PA and a .090 wOBA with league average defense and baserunning. (dying laughing)

    Why are we talking about Alcides Escobar? I thought this was a Cubs blog

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    josh

    @ Berselius:
    There has to be some level where the GMs, when push comes to shove, don’t trust the numbers, or feel that same hesitation. Where they, in other words, buy the agent’s bullshit.

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    WaLi

    @ Rice Cube:
    Brian Giles had a -4.1 WAR in 2009 in only 61 games. Yikes. This was after a 3.9 WAR season in 2008 too.
    Buddy Black is still managing the Padres.

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    josh

    Part of that negative would be defense, obviously, and the manager would argue that Campy is working real hard/best shape of his life/etc.

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    josh

    I don’t really get why any NL team would sign Thome. Seems like a nice guy, but if you put him in the field at all, he’s going to be hurt. Ozzie used to say he’d have to give him 3 days off after he played first. The guy just isn’t in game shape.

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    josh

    @ Rice Cube:
    When your case is based on human memory instead of verified data, you’re going to have stuff like that. People’s memory has been proven to change in the presence of new stimuli.

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    ACT

    @ josh:
    It’s bizarre. I guess there’s interleague play and playoffs, though. And Thome is a hit with local fans and really wanted to play there. And there’s the Howard injury.

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    josh

    That Dodger announcer was right, AJ Ellis is near the top in Pitches per plate appearance. He’s tied with Adam Dunn.

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    ACT

    @ Mobile Rice:
    Bronson’s plan against Campana: Start with a few breaking balls, follow that up with some breaking balls, and finish him off with a breaking ball.

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    Rice Cube

    It was a pretty quick play. Would have to watch the replay again, but I did think if he had tried for the out at second first they’d negate the run. Oh well.

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    Mercurial Outfielder

    Samardzjia is fucking rolling. A new victory for small sample size?

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    EnricoPallazzo

    @ Berselius:

    not arguing the defense but wouldn’t you trade a few SBs for a much lower CS? my initial comment pretty much meant that if campana loses what is arguably his biggest asset (SB/CS ratio) then he’s pretty much worthless.

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  34. Berselius

    @ EnricoPallazzo:

    Yeah, I know what you mean. This is just unjustified opinion, but I think you can relax the SB/CS stuff a bit for elite base stealers. Pitchers don’t worry too much about the average guy running, but having a terror on the basepaths = extra BSR-type stats as well as shit like pickoff errors.

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    ACT

    1. Great start by Samardzija
    2. Starlin’s over-aggressiveness on the bases continues to irritate me.

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    EnricoPallazzo

    @ Berselius:

    very true. there have been many times where i’ve seen pierre get to first and then make it to third through an unusual set of circumstances.

    i have a friend who loves juan pierre. he is always making the case that pierre’s numbers may not b e any good but he creates scoring opportunities for his teammates, which i think is certainly true, but i argue that he costs as many runs as he creates. anyway, yeah, i see your point. if you’re getting 45+ SB, then the ratio rules are definitely different.

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    ACT

    @ EnricoPallazzo:
    It was smoother than most, but he worked from 0-2 to a full count on the first batter (and strike three should have been ball 4), and a running snag by Reed saved what easily could have been a Votto double.

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    ACT

    There’s a very fine line between effectively wild Marmol and bad Marmol. Fortunately, he was on the right side of that line tonight.

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  39. Recalcitrant Blogger Nate

    @ ACT:

    the glass half-full perspective would be that he was in the zone with both the FB and SL, and he struck 2 batters out looking, meaning they were fooled by the movement

    /sss analysis

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    SkipVB

    If I knew what the Weyland Yutani Corporation was, I might insert a commercial like I did for SunnyD, but since I don’t, I guess they won’t get their full value of sponsorship.

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    SkipVB

    @ Berselius:
    Your kids still aren’t in bed YET? Weyland Yutani–the holding company that provides the high taste of the high fructose corn syrup of SunnyD.

    Apparently we also supplied some Weyland Yutani SunnyD to Barry Z tonight too.

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    Suburban kid

    I still can’t believe that Jeff “Shit Crap” Samardzija is in the rotation.

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    Mish

    MGL

    When a player accomplishes some milestone or attains some record or otherwise does something fairly or really rare, but it is mostly due to sheer luck, I don’t get the excitement. I’m talking about a no-hitter. I really don’t get the excitement. Jered Weaver is an excellent pitcher. An excellent pitcher is more likely to throw a no-hitter, especially one who allows a low BA (Nolan Ryan?) regardless of their walk rate. In fact, a high walk rate helps in some cases.

    Anyway, not allowing a hit in 9 innings is obviously a good performance but I just don’t get all the excitement. There are 1 and 2 hitters all the time, and they are nearly just as good. Every game has 3 or 4 balls that could have easily gone either way (hit or out) having virtually nothing to do with the pitcher.

    I just don’t get all the fanfare. I really don’t. Sure, it is fun to watch. I’m talking about teammates jumping around like they won the World Series and players hugging and crying. That kind of reaction is just not commensurate with the accomplishment in my opinion.

    Colon’s 38 strikes in a row was less likely than a no-hitter. I didn’t see anyone jumping around with that. You can come up with all kinds of goofy “records” that are reflective of a good performance and lots of luck, like a no-hitter. Big deal. I’m sure I am in a very small minority on this one, but hey…

    (dying laughing) I don’t thing mgl should comment on this issue until he throws a no-hitter.

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    mb21

    Mish wrote:

    (dying laughing) I don’t thing mgl should comment on this issue until he throws a no-hitter.

    You should definitely leave this as a comment over there.

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    Suburban kid

    @ Mish:
    I had three separate reactions to the highlighted quote:

    1. He sounds like a robot

    2. He sounds like MB

    3. He has a point. Game recaps didn’t even bother mentioning no-hitters as if they were special until the 1920s, IIRC.

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    bubblesdachimp

    Was really impressed with Shark last night.. Just fucking cruised….

    Also love me some Lahair

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    Suburban kid

    Some more potential sponsors for this series:

    Iowa Beef Packers
    Gotham Bus Co.
    Spacely Sprockets
    Mars Cheese Castle
    Captain Morgan
    UNICEF
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    WaLi

    @ bubblesdachimp:
    I think he is legit. He has looked damn good when he is on. Is he going to be a #1? No, unless he gets more consistent. But he will be a pretty good #3 if he can get his endurance up. He has got me excited for the season.

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  49. Aisle424

    Berselius wrote:

    I’m guessing Wells and Maine go back to AAAA

    I’m hoping Camp goes instead of Maine. Not that it matters much in the slightest.

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    bubblesdachimp

    @ Berselius:

    Play with 24….

    Lets see What Happens

    @ WaLi:

    Wali I agree. He has been spectacular in three starts terrible in 1 and got rather unlucky against St Louis as i remember watching.. I was of the opinion before the season of fuck it lets see what happens and this was a great decision to see what he has.

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    mb21

    I do agree with Tango said in the comments of that thread. A 0 hit, 3 walk performance by a pitcher is less impressive than a 1 hit, 0 walk performance. If we’re talking about how unimpressive a cycle is, I’d rather have 2 home runs and 2 singles. It’s still 10 total bases, but at least 2 of those hits resulted in runs.

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