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  • AL Scout on A-Rod: I can’t believe anyone would be interested

    Every single year we hear about this. Player makes lots of money. Same player isn't worth what he's paid. Not even close. People say this player can't be traded. Every. Single. Year.

    Yet every single year these players are traded. Carlos Zambrano was traded last year. The Red Sox traded a bunch of untradeables earlier this year. Milton Bradley was traded. Alfonso Soriano was on his way to the Giants before he declined to accept the trade.

    The question isn't whether somebody is tradeable. It's how much money the team will have to send and what can they get in return. Alex Rodriguez is tradeable. It's absurd to suggest he isn't. Here's what A-Rod has done over the last four3 years.

    • 2009: 3.9 rWAR, 4.4 fWAR, 5 WARP
    • 2010: 3.9 rWAR, 3.8 fWAR, 4.9 WARP
    • 2011: 3.7 rWAR, 4.2 fWAR, 2.8 WARP
    • 2012: 2.0 rWAR, 2.2 fWAR, 1.2 WARP

    Not surprisingly, he hasn't gotten worse over those years, but he's also probably better than he was in 2012 and even if he wasn't, that's still roughly league average production. There are a lot of teams who would like to add league average production at 3rd base.

    Considering his wrist injury, the Yankees would probably have to throw in more money than they otherwise would have to, but they could still easily trade A-Rod.

    Let's say A-Rod is only a 2.5 WAR player next year and gets worse by .5 per year. So that's 2.5, 2.0, 1.5, 1.0 and 0.5 WAR over the next 5 years. A-Rod will pass 660 home runs next year so he will get some or all of the marketing bonuses. I'm not sure how that's set up. It's hard to imagine he'd get $30 million just for hitting 660 home runs when he's still a long way from the record set by Barry Bonds. If I had to guess, this is what I'd estimate.

    • 660: $5 million
    • 700: $5 million
    • 750: $5 million
    • 762: $5 million
    • 763: $10 million

    Unless he's injured he'll hit 660 next year. There's a decent change he never gets to 700. At the most I'd say there's $10 million in marketing bonuses so let's go ahead and add that in for fun. He's owed roughly $124 million over these 5 years and that includes the bonuses.

    $124 million over 5 years would buy you a player that would provide about 20 WAR. We have A-Rod projected to provide just 7.5. That's about $45 million in value, which means the Yankees would have to throw in the remainder of the $124 million ($79 million) and they'd get nothing in return. If they wanted a prospect they'd probably  have to throw in a total of about $85 million leaving close to $40 million for the other team.

    I don't know if these numbers are all that accurate, but you get the point. A-Rod is tradeable and it's silly to suggest otherwise.

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    80 Responses to “AL Scout on A-Rod: I can’t believe anyone would be interested”

    1. Suburban kid 1 Suburban kid says:

      Terrapin Station was an LP I recently enjoyed.

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    2. mb21 2 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      LP (dying laughing)

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    3. Rizzo the Rat 3 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Heh, BaPro did a subscriber-only piece on immovable players: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18700

      They even acknowledged that some of the players have been traded (e.g., Carl Crawford). But there’s no way in hell they’ll be traded again.

      Carl Crawford’s contract was tradeable two months ago, but the nouveau riche Dodgers may have been the only team that would take on $102.5 million owed over five seasons to a 31-year-old outfielder who’s been worth a total of 0.6 WARP over the past two years and underwent Tommy John surgery in August. Now that they have him, he’s likely in LA to stay.

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    4. mb21 4 mb21 says:

      Rizzo the Rat wrote:

      But there’s no way in hell they’ll be traded again.

      It’s annoying. Every damn season we hear about this and every damn season some of the untradeable players are traded. It’s absurd.

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    5. mb21 5 mb21 says:

      There’s a shitload that I don’t know about baseball, but I can guarantee two things.

      1. There is no such thing as an untouchable player
      2. There is no such thing as an untradeable player

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    6. Berselius 6 Berselius says:

      mb21 wrote:

      1. There is no such thing as an untouchable player

      Well, except for Jeff Baker and Darwin Barney

      /Hendry

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    7. mb21 7 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      If you find the Yardbarker widget on the sidebar you’ll see an article about why the Cubs should give Barney a multi-year contract. I read the first couple paragraphs and then gave up. While I might be a bigger Barney fan than anyone here, I’m not sure signing him to an extension makes a lot of sense. If defense wasn’t underrated then I’d agree, but he’s probably going to get less through arbitration than an offensively minded player of the same value.

      For fun awhile back I ran the numbers and came out with something like 5 years and $10-12 million. If the Cubs do that I’ll be happy, but I wouldn’t spend a lot of time trying to get to get it done. Barney is quite valuable and probably will be the Cubs 2nd baseman for the next 4 years or so, but it’s a big risk and not worth it.

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    8. mb21 8 mb21 says:

      Berselius wrote:

      Well, except for Tony Campana

      /Thoyer

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    9. mb21 9 mb21 says:

      There’s also an article from Rant Sports on the YB widget: It’s official: the Cubs are a second-rate organization.

      Wasn’t this made official like 4 decades ago?

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    10. Berselius 11 Berselius says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      Probably because no one started a ribbon campaign to raise awareness.

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    11. Suburban kid 12 Suburban kid says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’m pretty sure mustard is in the public domain.

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    12. Berselius 13 Berselius says:

      Heath Bell ——–> Arizona
      Chris Young – + $$ ———> Oakland
      Yordy Cabrera —> Marlins

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    13. Rizzo the Rat 14 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Berselius wrote:

      Heath Bell ——–> Arizona

      He was one of the “immovable” players in that BaPro article I linked earlier.

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    14. Rice Cube 15 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      Was that a fat joke?

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    15. 16 akabari says:

      So we’re going to use the word “untouchable” multiple times in one thread and no one has made a Koyie Hill joke yet? You guys are slacking.

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    16. Suburban kid 17 Suburban kid says:

      @ akabari:

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    17. josh 19 josh says:

      I was proud of myself for remembering to turn on the game at 6:30 today. You can pretty much fill in the gaps of how that went.

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    18. josh 20 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      I have to admit I’m skeptical. But HOF is more about long term sustained success and [intangibles].

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    19. SVB 21 SVB says:

      AC finally found his car. Now if only he weren’t missing…

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    20. Suburban kid 23 Suburban kid says:

      @ SVB:
      I found AC, dylan and gw here:

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    21. Rice Cube 24 Rice Cube says:

      Via BN:

      http://www.nctimes.com/blogsnew/sports/padres/padres-insider-expect-decisions-soon/article_474fe9b0-77d4-51e3-8301-d6d098eb1021.html

      The Padres have dropped their compensation claim against the Chicago Cubs regarding the Cubs signing general manager Jed Hoyer and assistant general manager Jason McLeod away from the Padres last winter.

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    22. Rizzo the Rat 25 Rizzo the Rat says:

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    23. Rice Cube 26 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:

      The one he fired through the pizza box was pretty good.

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    24. mb21 27 mb21 says:

      josh wrote:

      I have to admit I’m skeptical. But HOF is more about long term sustained success and [intangibles].

      I’m skeptical of anybody that age reaching the HOF. There are just so many things that can go wrong.

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    25. Suburban kid 29 Suburban kid says:

      @ mb21:
      I kind of thought Aviles was too valuable to go in this deal too.

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    26. mb21 30 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      And apparently they will be sending another player too. It’s ridiculous.

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    27. Rice Cube 31 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I was not aware of another player being involved. That is very ridiculous.

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    28. Suburban kid 32 Suburban kid says:

      Holliday out with back problems.

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    29. Suburban kid 33 Suburban kid says:

      I’m a have to leave this to you RC. Best of luck bro. I’m outta here.

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    30. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

      Panda!

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    31. Rice Cube 35 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:

      I liked the part where the Giants scored first. I didn’t like the part where they only scored one.

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    32. Berselius 36 Berselius says:

      Vogelsong is on tonight, damn

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    33. Berselius 37 Berselius says:

      Belt just missed that one

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    34. Rice Cube 38 Rice Cube says:

      STOP STRIKING OUT GODDAMMIT

      (dying laughing)

      Could have so many more runs…

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    35. Rizzo the Rat 40 Rizzo the Rat says:

      This game is going great so far.

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    36. Rice Cube 41 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      I’d be happier with 5 or 6 more runs.

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    37. Rice Cube 42 Rice Cube says:

      Vogelsong —> NLCS MVP if they can advance

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    38. Rice Cube 43 Rice Cube says:

      That was a recent 13-pitch at-bat I would have enjoyed more had it resulted in a hit, but still enjoyable.

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    39. SVB 44 SVB says:

      I like how Pinetar’s video link shows a banner about the Chattanooga CW station, while having a Fox logo in the top right.

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    40. SVB 45 SVB says:

      Tim McCarver on Giants bullpen: Just goes to show you how hard it is to replace a closer. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing). Let’s see: Rafael Soriano (to his credit, he did say Soriano was an exception, but forgot that Soriano was the 3rd string closer), Fernando Rodney for god’s sake, Aroldis Chapman, Wilton Lopez (HOU), Kenley Jansen, Steve Chisek (MIA), Tyler Clippard for much of the season, Ernesto Frieri, etc. etc.

      I guess the only good thing about Tim McC being the analyst is that it keeps Joe Morgan out of the chair.

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    41. Rice Cube 46 Rice Cube says:

      I like the part where they’re counting on Ryan Theriot to deliver an insurance run.

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    42. Rice Cube 47 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Well fuck, shut me right up didn’t he.

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    43. Berselius 48 Berselius says:

      Can’t wait to hear Theriot’s post game quote that he’s on the right side of this rivalry

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    44. SVB 49 SVB says:

      I’m thinking it’s too bad Josh’s FOR MEN forum post is missing now. The Giants could stand reviewing the suggestions there.

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    45. Rice Cube 50 Rice Cube says:

      /dies

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    46. SVB 51 SVB says:

      Well crap. Now I’ll have to make a decision. Baseball, or debate.
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    47. Berselius 52 Berselius says:

      @ SVB:

      Not to mention the Bears pantsing Detriot tomorrow on MNF

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    48. Rice Cube 53 Rice Cube says:

      @ SVB:
      @ Berselius:

      Baseball.

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    49. SVB 54 SVB says:

      @ Berselius:
      Well, if I cared about NFL, I’d root for Detroit. They are the Cubs of the NFL after all. I don’t have other Chicago allegiances in pro sports, being from Michigan and Ohio.

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    50. GBTS 55 GBTS says:

      SVB wrote:

      Well, if I cared about NFL, I’d root for Detroit.

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    51. SVB 56 SVB says:

      @ GBTS:
      If it makes you feel any better, when I first picked an NFL team to root for, I picked Denver, because Craig Morton got splattered all over the field by Dallas in whatever Superbowl that was. Apparently the Broncos didn’t have an O-line.

      What I remember is that I admired a guy who could take that kind of abuse and still get up, and that the new orange shag carpet my folks put in the basement was pretty comfy, but smelled funny.

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    52. Suburban kid 57 Suburban kid says:

      I listened to the first few innings on the radio – and I didn’t even mind hearing Jon Miller’s breathless play by play. Evil was stopped for one more day.

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    53. WaLi 58 WaLi says:

      So I guess Lance Armstrong was stripped of his 7 Tour de France titles (again? I thought this happened already) despite having not failed a drug test*. Seems that the evidence against him are all witness testimonies.

      *I do think he took PEDs based on what someone said here: If everyone else in cycling is cheating, then the only way for Armstrong to compete is to cheat.

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    54. Berselius 59 Berselius says:

      Good chance tonight’s game 7 will be rained out

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    55. Rice Cube 60 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      Extreme elation or profound disappointment —> slightly delayed

      :(

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    56. GBTS 62 GBTS says:

      Okay, am I crazy, or are the new Rule 4 Draft rules not anywhere in the new CBA?

      http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/2012-16CBA.pdf (Link opens PDF)

      The only mention of signing bonus pools and penalties for going over those pools is in regards to the international amateur signings. I don’t see anything in there that changes the Rule 4 Draft.

      WTF?

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    57. GBTS 63 GBTS says:

      @ Berselius:
      Good, I’m going to a birthday dinner tonight that will be attended by a huge Cardinals fan. Won’t have to battle him for the remote to watch MNF.

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    58. Mish 64 Mish says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I went to college too soon. (dying laughing)

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    59. Rice Cube 65 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      Picture-in-picture?

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    60. mikeakaleroy 66 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Is that even still a thing?

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    61. Rice Cube 67 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      I noticed that too, it seems like that entire section was left out or they just assumed everyone knew about it.

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    62. Rice Cube 68 Rice Cube says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:

      I have no idea (dying laughing) I still have a dinky not-so-HDTV :D

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    63. GBTS 69 GBTS says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Did you send this from 1998?

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    64. mikeakaleroy 70 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      @ GBTS:
      My Picture-in-Picture:

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    65. Rice Cube 71 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      Probably :(

      /no dinner

      @ mikeakaleroy:

      I admire your expert use of disposable income.

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    66. GBTS 72 GBTS says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:
      RC’s picture in a picture:

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    67. mikeakaleroy 73 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      @ GBTS:
      My pic was a grab from someone elses house. When I used to do it (and I did), it looked more like GBTS’s picture..It was a decent 19″ tv with cable split to a 9″ tv. Play Madden on one, watch football on the other.

      /cool story bro’d

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    68. GBTS 74 GBTS says:

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      I don’t know why this is so funny.

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    69. WaLi 75 WaLi says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:
      I used to have the same setup. My friend was living with me for a little bit and he had a TV and I had a TV, so I set up two TV’s in the living room, one to whatever football game was on TV and the other streaming a football game from the laptop, then the laptop streaming whatever else was on, football or basball. It was nice.

      Then a buffalo wild wings opened up a block away so it became unecessary. The food sucks, but it is a fun place to watch a game if it is the only option in town.

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    70. mb21 76 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      (dying laughing)

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    71. mb21 77 mb21 says:

      Who are the top free agents this offseason?

      /too lazy to put the list together (dying laughing)

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    72. JonKneeV 78 jtsunami says:

      This is a little old, but not sure if you guys have seen it:

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18680
      (Len Kasper as a guest writer talking about his career and SABR)

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    73. Rice Cube 79 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      Greinke, Josh Hamilton, probably Anibal Sanchez and Brandon McCarthy, maybe Mike Napoli and then a whole mass of crap.

      /one fan’s opinion

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