We took a look at the Oliver projections for the Cubs hitters yesterday and realized how bad the offense currently is. The pitching projections are below:
| Name | IP | H | HR | K | BB | ERA | FIP | WAR |
| Matt Garza | 205 | 191 | 21 | 180 | 66 | 3.69 | 3.74 | 4 |
| Ryan Dempster | 205 | 207 | 23 | 183 | 78 | 4.36 | 4.01 | 2.4 |
| Carlos Zambrano | 200 | 198 | 19 | 157 | 88 | 4.34 | 4.19 | 2.4 |
| Randy Wells | 175 | 185 | 21 | 114 | 54 | 4.25 | 4.38 | 2.3 |
| Sean Marshall | 70 | 61 | 4 | 68 | 20 | 3.15 | 2.86 | 1.8 |
| Carlos Marmol | 70 | 50 | 3 | 90 | 43 | 3.63 | 3.03 | 1.4 |
| Jeff Samardzija | 65 | 61 | 7 | 52 | 35 | 4.51 | 4.62 | 0.6 |
| James Russell | 65 | 72 | 12 | 44 | 17 | 4.79 | 5.03 | 0.4 |
| Marcos Mateo | 10 | 10 | 1 | 8 | 4 | 4.78 | 4.10 | 0.1 |
| Casey Coleman | 15 | 15 | 1 | 9 | 6 | 4.70 | 4.07 | 0.1 |
| Andrew Cashner | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 3.92 | 3.20 | 0.1 |
| Chris Carpenter | 30 | 31 | 3 | 21 | 15 | 5.09 | 4.60 | 0.1 |
| Trey McNutt | 30 | 33 | 3 | 20 | 13 | 5.03 | 4.47 | 0.1 |
The FIP column has grey text because I calculated the FIP based on the stats necessary to calculate it. The Cubs have four above average starting pitchers according to Oliver. Makes you wonder why Theo and Jed Hoyer are insistent the team is such need of pitching. If they traded Carlos Zambrano they’d be in need and I still think that’s much more likely than not, but the Oliver projections thinks the Cubs are a far better at pitching. That doesn’t mean they’re very good. They aren’t necessarily bad, but they’re not good either.
Oliver only projects 5 innings for Cashner, but that has more to do with his injury last year than anything else. I have no idea why it’s projecting 200 innings for Zambrano. It’s been a few years since he threw that many innings.
I think Thoyer wants them to be very good at pitching since then your shitty hitting isn’t as big a problem since they won’t have to score as many runs.
Oliver is very optimistic about Z.
[quote name=Rice Cube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQEwJdhfddk[/quote]I forgot that was in the movie. I was thinking it was from the SNL skit.
Also, going back to the movie map, I’d put the Pelican Brief in Louisiana.
[quote name=Aisle424]Also, going back to the movie map, I’d put the Pelican Brief in Louisiana.[/quote]I think Louisiana, I immediately think Live and Let Die.
[quote name=Aisle424]Also, going back to the movie map, I’d put the Pelican Brief in Louisiana.[/quote]Interview with the Vampire?
[quote name=Aisle424]Also, going back to the movie map, I’d put the Pelican Brief in Louisiana.[/quote]NO! I got it. The most Cajun movie of all time: Hard Target.
[quote name=josh]Interview with the Vampire?[/quote]
That was my 2nd choice.
[quote name=josh]I think Louisiana, I immediately think Live and Let Die.[/quote]The Bond movie?
My Cousin Vinny is an epic win for Alabama. Even though I think they filmed it in Georgia.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/why-tim-tebow-just-might-be-the-second-coming-of-j
[quote name=Rice Cube]
My Cousin Vinny is an epic win for Alabama. Even though I think they filmed it in Georgia.[/quote]
Alabama has to be Forrest Gump, though Vinny is probably the better movie
[quote name=Rice Cube]
My Cousin Vinny is an epic win for Alabama. Even though I think they filmed it in Georgia.[/quote]
I probably would have picked Forrest Gump, but I can’t argue with My Cousin Vinny.
Pujols was offered a 9-year, $198 million contract by the Cardinals: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cardinals-rumors-pujols-dotel-romero.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29
The AAV puts him outside the top 10. The Cubs interest in Pujols may be more than just trying to get the Cardinals to increase their offer. 9/198 is only $22 million per year. I was (dying laughing) when I wrote “only” even though it’s accurate.
[quote name=Rice Cube]The Bond movie?[/quote]There’s a bunch of stuff set in New Orleans. It’s filmed in the Carribean too, but the New Orleans scenes are memorable.
[quote name=Aisle424]I think Thoyer wants them to be very good at pitching since then your shitty hitting isn’t as big a problem since they won’t have to score as many runs.[/quote]The same thing can be said for adding bats though. The more offense you provide the worse your defense and pitching can be. One of the things I don’t like about focusing on pitching so much is that it’s about 35-40% of the game. In baseball you have runs scored and runs allowed. Those are the two halves. The batters make up the entirety of the runs scored while pitching AND defense contributed to runs allowed.
Mostly though, let’s just say there’s a 2 WAR pitcher available and you’d have to pay him market value. There’s a 2 WAR hitter available at, let’s say 3rd base since the Cubs have a hole there, and you can get him for 75% of market value. I want that 3rd baseman.
[quote name=Aisle424]That was my 2nd choice.[/quote]Yeah, given the vampire craze that Anne Rice arguably started and her association with NO, it’s surprising that wasn’t given more weight. I guess a lot of it takes place in Europe, though, in that particular story.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/cubs-have-interest-in-rockies-third-baseman-ian-stewart
I should add that I feel like these pitching projections are overly optimistic. I could see Dempster being a 2 WAR pitcher or maybe even reaching his projection here, but I do not see Zambrano doing it and I especially don’t see Wells coming anywhere close.
[quote name=Berselius]Alabama has to be Forrest Gump, though Vinny is probably the better movie[/quote]
So much of Gump is set outside of Alabama though. And My Cousin Vinny is entirely about hick stereotypes, so it has that going for it…
[quote name=mb21]Pujols was offered a 9-year, $198 million contract by the Cardinals: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cardinals-rumors-pujols-dotel-romero.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29
The AAV puts him outside the top 10. The Cubs interest in Pujols may be more than just trying to get the Cardinals to increase their offer. 9/198 is only $22 million per year. I was (dying laughing) when I wrote “only” even though it’s accurate.[/quote]Would you up the 9-year offer to 210 or so, or would you still try to go 7 years?
[quote name=Mish]http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/cubs-have-interest-in-rockies-third-baseman-ian-stewart[/quote]Sounds like the Cubs are trying to make a steal.
The Evil Dead, while an awesome movie, isn’t really about Tennessee in any particular way, as the other movies are. It could be a dark an scary woods anywhere.
I’d trade Tyler Colvin for Ian Stewart. I wouldn’t trade much more than that.
[quote name=Mish]http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/why-tim-tebow-just-might-be-the-second-coming-of-j[/quote]I’m so damn tired of hearing about that guy. I simply DGAF.
[quote name=Aisle424]I can’t argue with My Cousin Vinny.[/quote]
Of course not. The Gambinis LIVE to argue.
[quote name=josh]Would you up the 9-year offer to 210 or so, or would you still try to go 7 years?[/quote]I’d try to go as few years as possible. I wouldn’t even mind a 5-year deal for $160 million deal or something like that.
[quote name=Mish]http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/why-tim-tebow-just-might-be-the-second-coming-of-j[/quote]So does this mean they’re going to crucify him on the goalposts at the end of the season, only to see him resurrected at the Super Bowl to lead the Broncos to victory?
/blasphemy
[quote name=josh]The Evil Dead, while an awesome movie, isn’t really about Tennessee in any particular way, as the other movies are. It could be a dark an scary woods anywhere.[/quote]That movie had to be somewhere though. In my opinion they could just put it in all 50 states and I’d consider it an accurate image.
[quote name=mb21]I’d try to go as few years as possible. I wouldn’t even mind a 5-year deal for $160 million deal or something like that.[/quote]If Pujols really wants long-term commitment I doubt he goes for that. You have to go at least 7 guaranteed with a couple of options to bring it to 9 or 10 overall with an opt-out clause thrown in to make him feel special.
[quote name=Rice Cube]If Pujols really wants long-term commitment I doubt he goes for that. You have to go at least 7 guaranteed with a couple of options to bring it to 9 or 10 overall with an opt-out clause thrown in to make him feel special.[/quote]The Phillies signed Lee because they offered more per year, but over fewer years. If you sign him for 5 years he can still sign another contract and get paid good money.
2012: 6 WAR
2013: 5.5
2014: 5.0
2015: 4.5
2016: 4.0
2017: 3.5
2018: 3.0
2019: 2.5
2020: 2.0
That’s another 4-year contract worth about $71 million.
So if you signed him for 5/165 and he then signs a 4/71 contract he’s earned $236 million over 9 years.
[quote name=Rice Cube]If Pujols really wants long-term commitment I doubt he goes for that. You have to go at least 7 guaranteed with a couple of options to bring it to 9 or 10 overall with an opt-out clause thrown in to make him feel special.[/quote]Yeah, I think you have to beat the Cards in terms of overall contract value to win this one. He’s thinking retirement money, no matter what he does at the end of the contract. I don’t see him or his agent willing to risk a 5/160 deal, because if he stinks in 5 years, he basically lost $40M.
[quote name=mb21]So if you signed him for 5/165 and he then signs a 4/71 contract he’s earned $236 million over 9 years.[/quote]Could be he goes for it. Bird in the hand, though. The agent probably wants the guaranteed money now, rather than banking on the long term.
http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/11/30/1130-hoyer-on-maddux-pena-z/
Hoyer interview items.
[quote name=mb21]That movie had to be somewhere though. In my opinion they could just put it in all 50 states and I’d consider it an accurate image.[/quote]True. There has to be a movie set in Memphis that would typify Tennessee better. I can’t think of a single one. Evil Dead it is then. Tennessee is known for woods.
[quote name=Rice Cube]So does this mean they’re going to crucify him on the goalposts at the end of the season, only to see him resurrected at the Super Bowl to lead the Broncos to victory?
/blasphemy[/quote]
If they crucified him sooner, he might have been resurrected as Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley.
So yeah.
I always hate when a projected ERA is different from the FIP. Unless it’s an extreme case like Mo Rivera, the projections should be about the same, I think.
[quote name=josh]True. There has to be a movie set in Memphis that would typify Tennessee better. I can’t think of a single one. [/quote]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097940/
[quote name=josh]Could be he goes for it. Bird in the hand, though. The agent probably wants the guaranteed money now, rather than banking on the long term.[/quote]I’m not convinced. Let’s say the Cubs offered Pujols a 1-year deal for $50 million. I’d be shocked if he didn’t sign that contract. I think part of it is AAV and part of it is the overall amount. It’s different for different players of course. I disagree with berselius that if the Cubs offered 7/198 that he’d still sign with the Cardinals. It would be surprising if he signed the 9/198 contract rather than the 7/198 contract. I think you have to beat the AAV, but you also have to consider the risk the player is taking. If he signs for $165, how likely is it he can make the additional $33 million after that 5-year contract? Players have huge egos. I’m betting that Pujols would sign a 5/165 contract and think that he could finish that contract still being a super star and then go on to get another $100 million contract.
The question, in my opinion, is whether a 5/165 contract is worth it. I don’t really know.
[quote name=ACT]I always hate when a projected ERA is different from the FIP. Unless it’s an extreme case like Mo Rivera, the projections should be about the same, I think.[/quote]I calculated the FIP, but I agree with you.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/11/30/mlbtrs-tim-dierkes-talks-chicago-cubs-trade-rumors/
[quote name=Rice Cube]
My Cousin Vinny is an epic win for Alabama. Even though I think they filmed it in Georgia.[/quote]
Outlaw Josey Wales beats the pants off of Jesus Camp for Missouri. Also, as an Oregonian, Stand by Me comes pretty close to Goonies.
[quote name=mb21]I’m not convinced. Let’s say the Cubs offered Pujols a 1-year deal for $50 million. I’d be shocked if he didn’t sign that contract. I think part of it is AAV and part of it is the overall amount. It’s different for different players of course. I disagree with berselius that if the Cubs offered 7/198 that he’d still sign with the Cardinals. It would be surprising if he signed the 9/198 contract rather than the 7/198 contract. I think you have to beat the AAV, but you also have to consider the risk the player is taking. If he signs for $165, how likely is it he can make the additional $33 million after that 5-year contract? Players have huge egos. I’m betting that Pujols would sign a 5/165 contract and think that he could finish that contract still being a super star and then go on to get another $100 million contract.
The question, in my opinion, is whether a 5/165 contract is worth it. I don’t really know.[/quote]I think 7/198 is worth a shot. He obviously didn’t jump all over 9/198, so he’s looking either for more per year or a change.
[quote name=8volumesthick]Outlaw Josey Wales beats the pants off of Jesus Camp for Missouri. Also, as an Oregonian, Stand by Me comes pretty close to Goonies.[/quote]What’s funny is that the novella that Stand By Me is based on is set in Maine, like all Stephen King books. I think I read that they set the movie in Oregon because they simply made a geographical mistake.
I think Thoyer wants to trade pitching due to lack of FA and absolutely drooling need for it across baseball. The can basically cash-in on Garza and maybe even Z to an extent but also Marmol. Each should bring pieces back that should be ready to make a big impact on 2013.
They can say they are wanting to compete in 2012 but 2013 is the real target. Maybe they get lucky and the players they acquire end up putting them in the race in 2012 but it isn’t expected.
Word is that Pujols offer is pegged at 9/198, which wouldn’t even put him in the top ten highest per year salaries (though it would be the third highest total), which I’m pretty sure is what he’s going for.
Fwiw, Goold, of the Post-Dispatch, says the Cubs interest in Pujols is “serious”.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cards-seek-clarity-in-pujols-talks/article_c72c6d5f-f67e-5b2e-97ce-1b28cc42b80e.html
I grow very weary of not being able to see the comments until they get to a certain number…(dying laughing)
Sorry for the repeat info. Again. Fuck.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]I grow very weary of not being able to see the comments until they get to a certain number…(dying laughing)
Sorry for the repeat info. Again. Fuck.[/quote]You could just register. It’s cheap, and the when they beat you in, the bruises hardly last very long at all.
[quote name=8volumesthick]Outlaw Josey Wales beats the pants off of Jesus Camp for Missouri. Also, as an Oregonian, Stand by Me comes pretty close to Goonies.[/quote]Or The Long Riders. Jesse James? That’s as Missouri as it gets.
[quote name=josh]What’s funny is that the novella that Stand By Me is based on is set in Maine, like all Stephen King books. I think I read that they set the movie in Oregon because they simply made a geographical mistake.[/quote]Wrong Portland?
[quote name=josh]I think 7/198 is worth a shot. He obviously didn’t jump all over 9/198, so he’s looking either for more per year or a change.[/quote]I think he wants more per year. That’s why I think you could get him for 5 years. Maybe even as “little” as $150 million.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Wrong Portland?[/quote]Right, something like that. Maybe I’m wrong. Google isn’t spilling the story. I was thinking Rob Reiner’s scouts misunderstood. It could have just been a consequence of the weather or something too.
Groundhog Day is my favorite movie on that map, by the way.
[quote name=josh]Right, something like that. Maybe I’m wrong. Google isn’t spilling the story. I was thinking Rob Reiner’s scouts misunderstood. It could have just been a consequence of the weather or something too.[/quote]For that matter, they may have just been trying to dissociate themselves from Stephen King. It was not originally billed as a movie based on a King story. I don’t know. I might have made it all up, given the utter lack of information I’m finding online.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]I grow very weary of not being able to see the comments until they get to a certain number…(dying laughing)
Sorry for the repeat info. Again. Fuck.[/quote]There are 3 options, the first two of which you could do.
1. Register and log in or connect with twitter, facebook or google
2. leave a comment immediately
3. turn off the cache, but that’s going to create problems on our end.
The page isn’t cached for registered users. Most of the people who visit the site aren’t registered and most of them don’t read the comments. During a busy time, having no cache could really slow down the site or use all available resources and be shut down. Most of the time it wouldn’t be an issue, but at certain times it would.
Is there a specific reason you don’t want to register or connect with twitter, facebook or google? I promise not to send naked pictures of myself. I might send naked pictures of others, but not me.
[quote name=mb21]I think he wants more per year. That’s why I think you could get him for 5 years. Maybe even as “little” as $150 million.[/quote]I could see that working. Unless the Nats offer him 10 years for $700 Million, or, worse, whatever they offered Jayson Werth.
[quote name=ACT]Groundhog Day is my favorite movie on that map, by the way.[/quote]That one or Clerks is my favorite.
[quote name=mb21]That one or Clerks is my favorite.[/quote]I’m not even supposed to be here today…
[quote name=josh]I could see that working. Unless the Nats offer him 10 years for $700 Million, or, worse, whatever they offered Jayson Werth.[/quote]I actually don’t care if the Cubs get Pujols or not. I just want them to drive the price up for the Cardinals. If they end up getting him that’s great. I’ll worry about the potential money issues down the road and I’ll sure as fuck enjoy watching him hit 40+ home runs per year over the next 3 or 4 years at Wrigley Field.
I suppose Napoleon Dynamite is by default? Because that movie fucking sucks balls. If Rosie O’Donnell made a homemade S&M film in Idaho, I’d still vote for that.
Nah, didn’t have one. Didn’t think it was necessary. Will do now. Thanks, prolly should have figured this out for myself. But I’m fat, drunk, and stupid.
[quote name=mb21]I promise not to send naked pictures of myself.[/quote]Don’t fall for it like we all did, Smokestack.
[quote name=GBTS]I suppose Napoleon Dynamite is by default? Because that movie fucking sucks balls. If Rosie O’Donnell made a homemade S&M film in Idaho, I’d still vote for that.[/quote]
Don’t be jealous that I’ve been chatting online with chicks all day.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Nah, didn’t have one. Didn’t think it was necessary. Will do now. Thanks, prolly should have figured this out for myself. But I’m fat, drunk, and stupid.[/quote]I don’t think we were ever clear about that. I actually don’t think we really knew until someone said something (maybe it was you).
You shouldn’t have the issue again. Without any comments you have to refresh the page until there’s a comment because the refresh comments list doesn’t show up until there’s one comment.
[quote name=GBTS]Don’t fall for it like we all did, Smokestack.[/quote]You requested those specific pics.
Was The Godfather on that list? If not, it’s useless.
[quote name=GBTS]I suppose Napoleon Dynamite is by default? Because that movie fucking sucks balls. If Rosie O’Donnell made a homemade S&M film in Idaho, I’d still vote for that.[/quote]My Own Private Idaho?
[quote name=Suburban kid]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097940/[/quote]Looks interesting.
[quote name=mb21]Was The Godfather on that list? If not, it’s useless.[/quote]When I think of the Godfather I don’t think of New York.
[quote name=GBTS]When I think of the Godfather I don’t think of New York.[/quote]Godfather may be a better overall movie than Taxi Driver, but Taxi Driver really captures the essence of the city.
[quote name=GBTS]When I think of the Godfather I don’t think of New York.[/quote]I don’t either, but it has to be on there. It’s one of the top 5 movies of all time. It’s like Evil Dead. Nobody thinks of Tennessee but it has to be there.
Maybe they can put “The Godfather” in Idaho then.
/GBTS irrational hate’d
[quote name=josh]Godfather may be a better overall movie than Taxi Driver, but Taxi Driver really captures the essence of the city.[/quote]I agree with this, but I’d rather Godfather be on there than Taxi Driver. It’s just a better movie. Taxi Driver was a great movie though.
[quote name=GBTS]I suppose Napoleon Dynamite is by default? Because that movie fucking sucks balls. If Rosie O’Donnell made a homemade S&M film in Idaho, I’d still vote for that.[/quote]10000x THIS. I hated that movie too.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Maybe they can put “The Godfather” in Idaho then.
/GBTS irrational hate’d[/quote]I think we need more states.Time to invade Mexico or Canada. Fuck it. Invade ‘em both.
[quote name=josh]What’s funny is that the novella that Stand By Me is based on is set in Maine, like all Stephen King books. I think I read that they set the movie in Oregon because they simply made a geographical mistake.[/quote]
Because it was set in Portland?
[quote name=josh]Yeah, but almost the entire movie is set in Minnesota, only the initial shady meeting takes place in Fargo. Besides, it features the Minnesota accent so explicitly, it has to be a Minnesota movie.[/quote]
North Dakota is pissed that you referred to it as a “Minnesota accent.”
[quote name=Berselius]10000x THIS. I hated that movie too.[/quote]My college girlfriend essentially forced me to watch it with her, claiming it was the funniest movie of all-time. I seriously contemplated breaking up with her for like three days.
[quote name=mb21]I think we need more states.Time to invade Mexico or Canada. Fuck it. Invade ‘em both.[/quote]Toronto could claim most movies these days.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Because it was set in Portland?[/quote]No, Castle Rock. I seem to recall a mixup though with the scouts involving Rob Reiner telling them to go to Portland. I’m just making this up as I go.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Maybe they can put “The Godfather” in Idaho then.
/GBTS irrational hate’d[/quote]Some of it was in Nevada. That’s close enough. Seriously, fuck that movie.
I watched about 15 minutes of Napoleon Dynamite before I turned it off.
The book was set in Castle Rock, Maine, but the movie was in Oregon.
[quote name=GBTS]Some of it was in Nevada. That’s close enough. Seriously, fuck that movie.[/quote]The horse in the bed scene was in Hollywood, right?. I mean, I’ve never seen Fast Times, honestly, but I’ll take the horse head scene over the entire Fast Times film.
[quote name=mb21]The book was set in Castle Rock, Maine, but the movie was in Oregon.[/quote]Exactly. In the beginning of the movie, Richard Dreyfus clearly says “I grew up in a town called Castle Rock, Oregon.” Maybe they meant it to be Maine, but liked Oregon as a filming location better, so they just changed the script.
http://www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/events/redeye-who-is-rahm-swanson-20111129,0,6369704.photogallery
[quote name=GW]North Dakota is pissed that you referred to it as a “Minnesota accent.”[/quote]I only know one guy from ND and he talks normal. But I suppose that’s selection bias.
I might draw some flak for this, but On the Waterfront, not Clerks, should be the movie for New Jersey.
Maltese Falcon or Vertigo for California.
David DeJesus ——-> Cubs
rosenthal says Cubs signed DeJesus.
[quote name=josh]I only know one guy from ND and he talks normal. But I suppose that’s selection bias.[/quote]
In my experience, the accent is much more pronounced among avowed north dakotans than minneapolis natives.
According to Rosenthal, DeJesus will be the right fielder.
This does not improve the lineup offensively.
DeJesus is a pretty decent defender, no?
[quote name=Aisle424]According to Rosenthal, DeJesus will be the right fielder.
This does not improve the lineup offensively.[/quote]it does if Colvin was to be the Right Fielder. I expect Soriano to be gone.
[quote name=Aisle424]According to Rosenthal, DeJesus will be the right fielder.
This does not improve the lineup offensively.[/quote]I don’t get it. Might as well keep Byrd, right?
[quote name=JMan]it does if Colvin was to be the Right Fielder. I expect Soriano to be gone.[/quote]I was figuring on LaHair getting most of the ABs in RF, but yeah, it is a step up over Colvin, for sure.
In looking at his stats, he wasn’t half bad until last year. If he goes back to his KC levels, the Cubs made a really nice signing.
that also eliminates the slim chance of Byrd moving to RF for Jackson.
I’ll write something about deJESUS if no one else is.
[quote name=dylanj]that also eliminates the slim chance of Byrd moving to RF for Jackson.[/quote]It doesn’t eliminate the chance of Byrd moving to LF
no movie captures Chicago, and all of Illinois, better than Transformers (dying laughing)
he was a still a 2 WAR player last year. What was the WAR aggregate for us from that position last year?
we got him for 5 mill a year. He’s been worth 10 mill a year for the last two via fangraphs.
Its a meh kind of move but by no means a bad one. 73 wins here we come.
[quote name=mb21]I’ll write something about deJESUS if no one else is.[/quote]
I’m starting one.
David DeJesus, eh…
[quote name=Aisle424]I’m starting one.[/quote]
Now I have to go to a meeting – go ahead and do what you want to do, MB)
I just hope they signed the pre-2011 version of DeJesus who was worth about 3/WAR/year.
i would guess we dont have room for Cespedes now
DeJesus sound like a decent signing, as long as he’s healthy.
[quote name=dylanj]i would guess we dont have room for Cespedes now[/quote]Cespedes and Brett Jackson are supposedly going to start the year in the minors anyway regardless of what they do, so I think it’s more of a prelude to dumping Soriano and trading Byrd.
[quote name=mb21]It doesn’t eliminate the chance of Byrd moving to LF[/quote]
weren’t there rumblings regarding the cubs considering Byrd a 4th outfielder?
[quote name=dylanj]i would guess we dont have room for Cespedes now[/quote]It could mean the opposite. He will likely need at least 1 year in the minors. DeJesus would be a place-holder and then take over for Byrd once he leaves after 2012.
However I am wondering where jackson spends 2012. Right now he is in AAA even if they trade Soriano as LaHair could end up there. But maybe they have no plans to use LaHair as a starter.
[quote name=Aisle424]Now I have to go to a meeting – go ahead and do what you want to do, MB)[/quote]I’ve got one about ready. About 20 minutes maybe
He’s good at defense and not bad with the bat. Sounds like a good acquisition for $5 million.
[quote name=ACT]He’s good at defense and not bad with the bat. Sounds like a good acquisition for $5 million.[/quote]Moneyball!
My instareaction Is a resounding meh. Seems like a fair deal.
I thought the point of Moneyball was to sign high on-base guys.
[quote name=ACT]I thought the point of Moneyball was to sign high on-base guys.[/quote]No, it was to exploit market inefficiencies.
In this case the market inefficiency is David DeJesus (dying laughing)
[quote name=Berselius]My instareaction Is a resounding meh. Seems like a fair deal.[/quote]
yeah, mine too. which is leaps and bounds better than my reaction to the similarly small grabow/miles type deals.
I think it’s better than the deal Marlon Byrd got a couple years ago, and that was decent.
Also, I can’t wait for the reaction from fans who wanted Colvin and other “kids” to get more playing time.
[quote name=ACT]I think it’s better than the deal Marlon Byrd got a couple years ago, and that was decent.[/quote]Pretty much. DeJesus is pretty much a lefthanded Marlon Byrd, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Theory = Cubs looking to shore up defense all over the field and then put Pujols in there with a bunch of OBP guys (hopefully) as their offensive plan. Defense = less runs, Pujols = big bat + butts in seats.
Does that work?
[quote name=ACT]Also, I can’t wait for the reaction from fans who wanted Colvin and other “kids” to get more playing time.[/quote]DeJesus is 32, he can still sit at the kids table as far as Cub fans are concerned.
[quote name=ACT]I thought the point of Moneyball was to sign high on-base guys.[/quote]I thought the point of the movie was to drag out an intentional walk in super-slow-motion for 2.5 hours and see if anybody will actually sit there and watch it all.
[quote name=Berselius]Pretty much. DeJesus is pretty much a lefthanded Marlon Byrd, not that there’s anything wrong with that.[/quote]“Lefthanded Marlon Byrd” ——> New euphemism for “homosexual.” (dying laughing)
new thread: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/cubs-sign-david-dejesus.html
[quote name=GBTS]“Lefthanded Marlon Byrd” ——> New euphemism for “homosexual.” (dying laughing)[/quote]And “Mark Grace” is an euphemism for heterosexual, correct?