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  • Series Preview: Chicago Cubs (18-32) at San Francisco Giants (27-24)

    The Cubs start a ten game road trip with a visit to Pac Bell Park (or whatever the hell they're calling it these days). At least this series, unlike most west coast series, will only have one super late game (tonight's). Unfortunately the Cubs will miss Tim Lincecum, who seems to have transformed into a lesser pitcher. Maybe Jeff Samardzija secretly did a hair transplant with him in the offseason, Face/Off style.

    Team Overviews

    NL Ranks in parens

      Cubs Giants
    wOBA .304 (14th) .306 (12th)
    BSR 4.1 (1st) 2.1 (6th)
    UZR 9.9 (5th) -7.7 (12th)
    DRS 3 (5th) -12 (9th)
    SP FIP 4.26 (14th) 3.66 (7th)
    RP FIP 4.54 (16th) 3.07 (1st)

    N.b.: the Rockies are a whopping -52 runs below average on defense this year by DRS. Yowza.

    I guess I should take back what I said about this team at least having good starting pitching compared to the 2006 team. Though a lot of that damage to the Cubs standing happened during the roughly 231 HRs that were hit in the Padres series, where the wind was howling out every game.

    Position Players

    Melky Cabrera is having a huge year at the plate, posting a .373/.417/.550 line. He's getting just a little help from a .413 BABIP, but at least he's hitting for power beyond any grounders with eyes. Still, he's Melky Cabrera. I laughed the other day when I read an article discussing the new free agent compensation rules that suggested he might get ~$15m a year. This is a guy with only 9 career WAR over 6 seasons and change. I can't wait until the Royals offer him that contract (dying laughing). Aside from Cabrera, the other offensive leaders on the Giants include OF Gregor Blanco (5.8 wRAA), former Cub Angel Pagan (7.6 wRAA), Buster Posey (6.0 wRAA), and the injured Kung-Fu Panda (6.2 wRAA). Those guys look like a pretty good core to the offense, but remember that their team wOBA is .306. Everyone else in the lineup has been bad terrible – those five players are the only ones who have posted above average offensive production. The worst offender are middle infielders Brandon Crawford and Manny Burriss, who have posted -17.8 wRAA between them. Ryan Theriot (Ryan Theriot!) and his -6.8 wRAA is the current designated offensive black hole at 2b.

    Defensively Blanco and Posey are pretty good, while Pagan, Theriot, and Cabrera have the biggest negatives. Pagan, Burriss, and Blanco all have double digit steals, while noted speedster Ryan Theriot has zero steals to one CS, and actually has a (barely) non-negative BSR number.

    Injuries

    The Giants are missing three key contributers. 3B Pablo Sandoval is out with a broken hand and could be back in a few weeks. 2B Freddy Sanchez had shoulder surgery in March and having trouble throwing. There's no timetable for his return, and Bochy is already suggesting the possibility he might be out all year. Brian Wilson's Beard's wearer had TJS in April and is donezo for the year.

    Castillo and Soto are still out for the Cubs, and I haven't heard news on either of them lately. Castillo's injury was supposed to only put him out for a week, and he can be activated later this week. Soto is out for another 2 weeks, at least. Soriano is still having trouble with his leg but he's still playing in every game.

    Pitching Matchups

    ERA, FIP, xFIP, ZiPS FIP listed for each pitcher

    Friday: Paul Maholm, LHP (4.62, 5.56, 4.67, 4.33) vs Madison Bumgarner, LHP (3.14, 3.67, 3.73, 3.26), 9:15 PM CT

    Maholm had a tough time finding the zone in his last start against the hapless Pirates offense. It also marked the first time in over a month that he failed to get double digit grounders in a start. For the most part his problem this year has been with home runs, so pitching in the Giants spacious park should be a nice break for him.

    Bumgarner had a monster year in 2011, which was his first full season. He posted a 2.67 FIP (3.10 xFIP) and struck out 191 batters. Not too shabby. His strikeout rate has regressed and then some to 6.41 K/9, but he's still doling out remarkably few free passes and has been inducing plenty of grounders. He's been knocked around a bit in his last four starts, giving up 17 runs.

    Saturday: Matt Garza, RHP (4.22, 4.32, 3.70, 3.66) vs Ricky Nolasco and Felix Pie, RHP (2.79, 2.94, 3.59, 3.25), 6:15 PM CT (FOX)

    Giving up five homers in his last two starts didn't do Garza's FIP any favors, and as the 13 runs didn't help his ERA either. I thought his velocity had been down the past few starts, but according to the pfx data on fangraphs it's only down maybe 1 mph from the start of the year.

    Cain picked up right where he left off last year, and is striking out even more batters (and walking less) than last season. He's an extreme flyball pitcher, but he's always done a great job at suppressing HRs (playing in so many NL west park helps too).

    Sunday: Travis Wood, LHP (5.94, 7.83, 4.51, 4.21) vs Barry Zito, LOL (3.41, 4.60, 5.21, 4.59), 3:05 PM CT

    Zito has managed to produce meh numbers instead of terrible this year, but it looks like most of it is a factor of luck and sequencing. Zito is a very hittable fly ball pitcher and he's had luck with balls in play and out of play this season. A start in which he doesn't give up a HR is a notable start.

    Speaking of home runs, Travis Wood pitches were flying out of Wrigley earlier this week. He gave up four homers to the Padres offense on a day where the wind was howling out. Hopefully we see the Travis Wood that looked pretty good in Houston instead of that version.

    Monday: Jeff Samardzija, RHP (3.09, 3.00, 3.16, 4.09) vs Ryan Vogelsong, RHP (2.36, 3.75, 4.48, 4.10), 2:45 PM CT

    I forgot all about Vogelsong when we were discussing how unusual Samardzija's transformation was. Vogelsong was also a high potential pitcher who sucked for years in both the minors and in the majors with the Pirates, then suddenly turned it around and had huge season (and at the age of 34, no less!). He's apparently pitched especially well from the stretch, if his 80+ LOB% post-transformation is to be believed. The biggest part of his transformation last year was a drop in his walk rate from the not so good 4+ per nine earlier in his career to the much more palatable 3 per nine. He's walking batters more in line with his career numbers this year, though.

    Samardzija's transformation has been a little different, because aside from throwing strikes he's also striking out a lot more batters. He was the only Cubs starter to throw a good game against the Mighty Padres, pitching into the 8th inning before being pulled. He was efficient for most of the game, for the first 5-6 innings he was only averaging 10 pitches per inning.

    Berselius
    He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.
    Berselius

    223 Responses to “Series Preview: Chicago Cubs (18-32) at San Francisco Giants (27-24)”

    1. Rice Cube 1 Rice Cube says:

      Maybe Jeff Samardzija secretly did a hair transplant with him in the offseason, Face/Off style.

      Well played.

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    2. Berselius 2 Berselius says:

      Tonight’s….interesting….lineup vs LHP Bumgarner

      CF Campana ———->Cubs win
      SS Castro
      3B Mather
      LF Adolfo
      RF Reedz
      1B Baker
      2B Barney
      C Clevenger ———> Cubs win x2
      P Maholm

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    3. Rizzo the Rat 3 ACT says:

      That’s 8 no-hit, 5-walk, 120-pitch innings for Johan.

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    4. Rice Cube 4 Rice Cube says:

      No-hitter through 8. 120+ pitches.

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    5. Rizzo the Rat 5 ACT says:

      Where’s MGL to tell us not to get excited? I mean, he’s walked 5 batters; that’s much less impressive than a 2-hit, no walk game.

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    6. Rice Cube 6 Rice Cube says:

      Seems a bit unwise to let him keep going but maybe they just watch his pitch count more closely in the next one.

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    7. Rice Cube 7 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      He does have seven strikeouts so it’s not all luck.

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    8. Berselius 8 Berselius says:

      MGL:

      That’s not that much cheese

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    9. GBTS 9 GBTS says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Not to mention he got a gift “foul ball” on a ball that left a fucking divot on the foul line.

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    10. SVB 10 SkipVB says:

      @ GBTS:
      Hey GBTS–this is for you, since you seem to be paying the most attn to fantasy scenarios (and no one will read comments on the last thread now).
      What do you think about trading Furcal straight up for Tommy Hanson in a weekly Head to Head fantasy league? I have Asdrubal Cabrera at SS so Furcal is excess. The trade partner also has Dan Haren, Josh Johnson, Beachy, Morrow, and Johan Santana. I originally offered Furcal for Johnson since Tulo went on the DL for him.

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    11. SVB 11 SkipVB says:

      Congrats to Santana. 134 pitches though…

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    12. GBTS 12 GBTS says:

      @ SkipVB:
      I’d probably do it. I don’t really trust Furcal to play the whole season, and if you don’t really need him then you might as well turn him into something else. I know Hanson isn’t exactly a model of durability but I’ve always liked him.

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    13. Rizzo the Rat 13 ACT says:

      Santana barely touched 90 all day.

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    14. SVB 14 SkipVB says:

      @ ACT:
      Doing his Maddux imitation

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    15. Rizzo the Rat 15 ACT says:

      Could be another no-hitter tonight! RT @SFGiants Cubs lineup: Campana, Castro, Mather, Soriano, Johnson, Baker, Barney, Clevenger, Maholm— Ben Badler (@BenBadler) June 2, 2012

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    16. SVB 16 SkipVB says:

      @ ACT:
      Obviously Ben Badler hasn’t looked at Campana’s +/- or Clevenger’s stats. (dying laughing)

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    17. SVB 17 SkipVB says:

      SkipVB is excited! I get to watch the Cubs live on TV for the first time tonight. Previously my only viewing was a pixelated Pinetar link (I assume the pixels were due to my lousy internet connection).

      First impression. Soriano doesn’t look as slender as I remember.

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    18. Pezcore 18 Pezcore says:

      @ SkipVB:

      Not tonight. Fat Tony is a lefty, and Steve Clevage is also a lefty. Why are they returing against Lefty Madison Bumgardener?

      Why are they in the lineup suddenly on the one day right handers are more useful?

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    19. Berselius 19 Berselius says:

      @ SkipVB:

      I’m not as fantasy baseball-y as I used to be, but I’d make that trade in a heartbeat. Furcal is not good.

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    20. Rice Cube 20 Rice Cube says:

      Well, at least the Cubs won’t be no-hit.

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    21. Rizzo the Rat 21 ACT says:

      Last pitch of the no-hitter:

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    22. Rizzo the Rat 22 ACT says:

      Why did Starlin stop dead in his tracks before he reached second on that steal attempt?

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    23. SVB 23 SkipVB says:

      Baltimore 6 game losing streak —–> Fantasy over

      @ ACT:
      I’m still wondering about that too.

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    24. Rizzo the Rat 24 ACT says:

      Best I can tell, he had a sudden bout of amnesia and forgot where he was.

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    25. GBTS 25 GBTS says:

      @ Berselius:
      He’s certainly due for some regression, and I’m sure he’ll find himself on the DL at some point. His ZIPS for the rest of the season isn’t terrible though.

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    26. SVB 26 SkipVB says:

      Maholm’s throw to Barney might be his best throw so far.

      @ SkipVB:

      Less excited now. :(

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    27. SVB 27 SkipVB says:

      @ GBTS:
      He’s the number 1 SS in our H2H league this year. Which is surprising. I’m happy to trade him and sell high, but my hesitation was over how inconsistent Hanson has been and if his shoulder will hold out.

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    28. josh 28 josh says:

      I missed most of the game. I see Maholm gave up a double to Theriot and that he is no longer in the game. I can only assume Sveum put him down. Hope it was a clean shot to the brainpan.

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    29. GW 30 GW says:

      By the way, who the fuck is Dominican Eugenics in Bizarro Fantasy Baseball, and how the fuck does he or she have a 25 point first place lead in a roto league?

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    30. josh 31 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      That’s awesome. No-hitters are exciting, especially that last inning.

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    31. SVB 32 SkipVB says:

      @ josh:
      Except for MB (dying laughing)

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    32. Rice Cube 33 Rice Cube says:

      No complete game for Bumgarner. Obligatory comeback.

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    33. Rice Cube 34 Rice Cube says:

      (dying laughing)

      Figures.

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    34. josh 35 josh says:

      Ah the traditional 9th inning comeback. Good times.

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    35. SVB 36 SkipVB says:

      Barney’s on deck. Could it be?

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    36. Rice Cube 37 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      What does the Hope Monster say about this?

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    37. josh 38 josh says:

      This is the weirdest fucking team I’ve ever seen. What is up with their 9th innings? They’re going to get some kind of record in futile comebacks.

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    38. josh 39 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      This is the Hope Monster’s main mode of messing with us this year.

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    39. josh 40 josh says:

      Nice baserunning by Stewart.

      By that, I meant the opposite.

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    40. Rice Cube 41 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:

      I guess you don’t want to make an out at 3B if the pitcher actually fielded it well and the SS covered 3B, but I felt like he should’ve went.

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    41. Rice Cube 42 Rice Cube says:

      Hopefully this is not a bunt situation.

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    42. josh 43 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’m just listening, but Pat and Keith both thought he should have gone.

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    43. josh 44 josh says:

      Time for the traditional game-ending double play.

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    44. josh 45 josh says:

      Another futile comeback. This is like the inverse of 2008.

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    45. Rice Cube 46 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      ALMOST.

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    46. SVB 47 SkipVB says:

      @ josh:
      On TV they said the Cubs had scored more runs in the 9th than any other inning (37 I think) and outscored opponents by something like 37-17. Too bad the comebacks have to be with 5 run deficits all the time.

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    47. Rice Cube 48 Rice Cube says:

      I think the Giants are one of the few teams that still haven’t been shut out all season.

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    48. 49 Doogolas says:

      Vitters homered AND walked today

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    49. Suburban kid 50 Suburban kid says:

      .

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    50. SVB 51 SkipVB says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      trying to get the last post of the thread in again? (dying laughing)

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    51. Suburban kid 52 Suburban kid says:

      @ SkipVB:
      Is it that obvious?

      Actually, I just posted a random, slightly amusing picture for the hell of it, but it’s not displaying.

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    52. mb21 53 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      Must have been a hot linked image or something.

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    53. SVB 54 SkipVB says:

      Fun no-hitter facts now that the Mets finally have their first:
      San Diego still doesn’t have one (whew, glad we played them already this week). 43 years and counting.

      The Mets went 8019 games without one, but that didn’t beat the streak of 8945 games by the Phillies from 1906-1964.

      All current MLB parks that have been around at least 10 years have had two or more no-hitters thrown in them with the exception of Camden Yards and the Rockies’ park, with one each–by Hideo Nomo for the visiting team (Red Sox, Dodgers). Those were Nomo’s only two no hitters.

      Family is away for the weekend. Can you tell?

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    54. mb21 55 mb21 says:

      So it sounds like Santana got a gift foul call last night and shouldn’t have had a no-hitter. Anyone see it?

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    55. Rice Cube 56 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      There’s a replay on MLB.com and I saw it a couple times. It hooked around the 3B bag and hit chalk. I’m pretty sure that makes it a fair ball.

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    56. Suburban kid 59 Suburban kid says:

      @ ACT:
      Don’t suggest what he might do.

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    57. bubblesdachimp 60 bubblesdachimp says:

      Jorge Soler=====> FA

      Go Cubs Go

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    58. Suburban kid 61 Suburban kid says:

      bubblesdachimp wrote:

      Jorge Soler=====> FA

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      Who?

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    59. SVB 62 SkipVB says:

      @ ACT:
      @ mb21:
      yes, it was totally a gift call.
      5 walks and 134 pitches. My guess is that by the end of the season this no-hitter won’t be one of the top 5 most dominant pitching performances. Maybe it isn’t now, but I don’t know where you get that stat. I rely on MB for that! (dying laughing)

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    60. 63 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Dierkes says the spending restrictions from the new CBA don’t kick in until July 2, so the Cubs aren’t handicapped by any rules in their pursuit of Soler.

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    61. GBTS 64 GBTS says:

      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21935599&topic_id=17807232

      This is why there hasn’t been a no-hitter at Wrigley in 40 years.

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    62. 65 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I want to get the MLEs on Soler, but I can’t find stats for him anywhere.

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    63. 67 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:

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    64. Suburban kid 68 Suburban kid says:

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    65. Rizzo the Rat 69 ACT says:

      @ SkipVB:
      His game score was only 4 points higher than his last game (which was also a complete game shutout, but without any walks).

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    66. Rizzo the Rat 70 ACT says:

      Santana’s game score was 90, which would give him the sixth-best game score of the year: http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/topperformers/_/type/pitching

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    67. mb21 71 mb21 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      I want to get the MLEs on Soler, but I can’t find stats for him anywhere.

      The only MLE I know about with regards to Soler is this one: stay the fuck away! Let some other team make that mistake. The Cubs already blew money on one guy who played the equivalent of A ball last season. I wouldn’t even give Soler one-third of the money the Cubs gave that guy. That guy has an ERA over 7, FIP over 5.5 and a sucK rate of just 5 per 9. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa650876&position=P

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    68. 72 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      But Soler is much younger and much more well-regarded. KG or KLaw (IIRC) said he has top-10 talent. Hell, he can’t be worse than Reggie Golden. (dying laughing)

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    69. Pezcore 73 Pezcore says:

      @ mb21:
      Soler has yet to play professional baseball. Concepcion is slowly getting better :

      Concepcion in April: (0-2, 19.36 ERA in 2 starts)
      Concepcion in May: (1-2, 4.73 ERA in 6 starts)

      He’s been the victim of errors, but Concepcion threw a May 15th 6-inning shutout and has 3 starts in May where he has allowed <2 ER and gone 4+ innings. It was very, very stupid for Thepstien to try him out as a Starter at such a high level when he only has two working pitches. The guy should not have been starting in full-season until the quirks were worked out in his changeup.

      I know you are looking at peripherals but I’m having trouble calling Geraldo Concepcion a bust yet. I think he’s been the victim of some bad decisions by Peioria’s infield and by Thepstien. I still think he’ll be a quality LOOGY at the ML level someday.

      Stats of Said Geraldo

      tl;dr: He should have spent some time in Boise first.

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    70. 74 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Hooray! I finally get a Cubs game on FOX!

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    71. Pezcore 75 Pezcore says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      The money matters less than the structure of the contract. I don’t think this raw “kid” should have to be in the majors in 4 years or take up a 40-man roster spot. I do think 30+ Million is way too much, but I’m more worried about the spot, or losing him after his first season.

      Secondly, Thepstien is giving up an extra year of contract by starting Concepcion full season. Do you really think they’re going to let Soler start in short-season or rookie ball?

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    72. Pezcore 77 Pezcore says:

      @ ACT:

      He will be starting soon if the back three of the Saawx rotation continue to suck.

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    73. GBTS 78 GBTS says:

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    74. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Pezcore:
      Concepcion and Cespedes both got MLB deals, so I’d expect the same for Soler. I hope the Cubs start him low, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him thrown straight into AA.

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    75. 81 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      That looks like the unholy love child of Fozzie Bear and Rowlf the Dog.

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    76. Pezcore 82 Pezcore says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      If they weren’t willing to do it with Concepcion, there is no way they’ll do it with Soler, even though in theory he should be more raw than Concepcion is.

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    77. GBTS 83 GBTS says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      We need to make that the Rally Bear or something.

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    78. GBTS 84 GBTS says:

      http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/superior_court_judge_says_nazi.html

      “If I have to give up my Nazism, then so be it.”

      (dying laughing) Yeah, that might help.

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    79. 85 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      They will have to bring back JUlio Zuleta to wake up the bats, because that thing will make them faint from sheer terror.

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    80. GBTS 86 GBTS says:

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    81. 87 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      That is truly terrifying.

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    82. GBTS 88 GBTS says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Well you’re gunna be seeing a lot of it.

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    83. mb21 89 mb21 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      But Soler is much younger and much more well-regarded.

      He’s not even a month younger. Concepcion was born 2-1-92 and Soler was born 2-25-92. At least Concepcion played professional ball. Soler never has. I said when the rumors first started that I wouldn’t give either of them a million bucks and the idea of either of them getting MLB contracts is laughable. They should just give me one. It will prove to be as worthy as giving either of them one.

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    84. 90 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      For some reason I thought Soler was only 18 or 19 and Concepcion was 23 or 24. So much for my memory. (dying laughing) I still don’t mind the Cubs tossing some money around the last year they have the chance to do it.

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    85. mb21 91 mb21 says:

      Pezcore wrote:

      Soler has yet to play professional baseball. Concepcion is slowly getting better :

      Concepcion in April: (0-2, 19.36 ERA in 2 starts)
      Concepcion in May: (1-2, 4.73 ERA in 6 starts)

      We could break it down a lot of ways to make it look better than it is, but he’s been terrible so far. He’s even been worse than I expected him to be. I was expected 4.5ish FIP in the low minors. He’s walking more than he strikes out. Even Koyie Hill could go 3-3 against him.

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    86. mb21 92 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’d much rather they throw that $30 million at Josh Hamilton, Cole Hamels or Zack Greinke. I’d rather they throw it at Ryan Theriot, Koyie HIll, John Grabow and Neifi Perez too.

      If you can get Soler for $5 million or less, fine. Go for it. It’s silly, but it’s not ridiculous.

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    87. 93 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Is it possible the Cubs enter the bidding just to drive up the price for someone else? I realize that’s a dangerous game, but perhaps you win the deal by hamstringing your competitor rather than by signing Soler.

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    88. SVB 94 SkipVB says:

      @ ACT:
      Thanks for posting the link.

      So not even in the top 5 now. And scanning the list, the next game with 5 baserunners was number 12, then number 20. No-hits counts for more than no walks as hits are weighted at twice the value of walks. Suppose that kind of makes sense if the hits are extra bases. OTOH, a single with no one on is the same as a walk, no?

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    89. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Well, Koyie did go 4-5 against an old bandsaw, so…

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    90. SVB 96 SkipVB says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Ouch. That’s just wrong. (dying laughing)

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    91. mb21 97 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      I wouldn’t give them their children back under any condition. They marked their children for life with those stupid fucking names. That should be enough to never give them custody again.

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    92. mb21 98 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I really think the Cubs want him and I think it has more to do with the new rules than anything else. I think this front office was taken by surprise at the new rules and they’re overreacting to it by signing anyone and everyone to MLB contracts for shitloads of money.

      You sign a kid from the Dominican for $2 million and it’s a lot of money and a huge risk. More likely than not you get nothing in return. At what point do you say the risk isn’t worth it? $3 million? Obviously there’s a limit because we’ve never seen Dominican kids signing for the kind of money Soler is going to get. So why is the limit different? Why have they decided spending X amount for a Dominican is crazy stupid, but they haven’t for this guy?

      I don’t give a shit about the circumstances. This is a guy with no professional experience, he’s 20 years old, and if some other team or teams want to get retarded with their offers let them. Just maybe they get lucky. More than likely they’re going to look as dumb as they do now.

      We saw what Cubs fans thought about the HUGE contract given to Milton Bradley. At least Bradley was somewhat of a competent player at the MLB level. This guy will be playing in the low minors.

      I would much rather lock Starlin Castro or Matt Garza up than this shit.

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    93. 99 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      It’s hard to disagree with any of that.

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    94. GBTS 100 GBTS says:

      Marlon Byrd has a .245 OBP and a .246 SLG.

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    95. 101 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      Not in the best shape of his life.

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    96. Pezcore 102 Pezcore says:

      @ mb21:

      I agree with you about Soler. I think Concepcion should’ve been handled differently, especially given his questionable status as a starter. There is no reason to have him start at Peoria. He needed to start in Low-A or Rookie league until he got that changeup down location wise. You can’t start with two plus pitches.

      Geraldo, despite being in pro ball, was considered very raw. I think eventually he works out. Looking at his stats, he seems to have a large amount of unearned runs in several starts where he gets shelled. This has to effect the psyche of a pitcher.

      I still think he’ll be an equal return investment when all is said and done. This was a severely bad idea to handle him the way he was. I think it would’ve been best to have him start out as a reliever in Boise, let him build up confidence, improve his pitches, and then move him to Peoria next year.

      His repriotore has always screamed “Ground-Ball Pitcher” so the strikeout totals don’t worry me.

      Did I mention that Peoria means that Thepstien is giving up a year of ML control on Concepcion? Soler is a horrible idea, and this front office has shown it doesn’t know how to handle really raw prospects.

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    97. 103 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Pezcore wrote:

      this front office has shown it doesn’t know how to handle really raw prospects.

      Because of the way they’ve handled one player? What about the way they’ve handled Baez, which is by doing exactly what you suggest for Concepcion?

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    98. mb21 104 mb21 says:

      Pezcore wrote:

      I still think he’ll be an equal return investment when all is said and done.

      That depends. $7 million for an amateur player is the same as an elite first round draft pick. Not a Strasburg or Harper, but the next tier of talent. I don’t see that there’s any chance he becomes as good as those types of prospects become. He’s just so far away from the big leagues that you’re better off saying only one thing about his future: we’ll probably never see him at the big league level. This is true for anyone in Low A. It’s especially true for someone who is sucking in Low A. He doesn’t strike enough batters out and doesn’t have the control to be an effective reliever either.

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    99. Pezcore 105 Pezcore says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      This is one really bad example. Then again, we’re making these judgements off one month of K/BB rating. If you take out his first two starts, Geraldo Concepcion is close to league-average.

      The snag here is what seems to be ignorance of the scouting reports on a given player. I feel what I read on Concepcion would mean he was a fringe-starter at any MiLB level right now and a possible starter in MLB down the road. The difference here is less class but role.

      IE, it was feasible to fast-track Concepcion, but it wasn’t feasible to fast-track Concepcion as a starter. The third pitch wasn’t there, would not be there without a season of work, the scouts told them so.The clear problem was that Concepcion couldn’t control his change up. This is such an obvious red flag for a starter. Less so if you try to make him a reliever.

      So this was to be entirely expected. I think he could be a one-out reliver next year in Double-AA if they so choose. I think he pans out as a Lefty One Out GuY very well but he won’t be that #4/#5 starter if he can’t locate his change-up.

      Remember, Geraldo was in extended spring training and ARI Fall league. There were rumblings he would debut as high as AA. Jorge soler is several times more expensive and twice as raw. He has a much higher cieling, but who knows where the pogo stick starts and when he hits it.

      He has been suprisingly competent given the circumstances especially if you ignore his first two starts. I don’t think there is any reason to chalk him down as a failure just yet. I do think that Jorge Soler needs to be monitored carefully.

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    100. 106 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Pezcore:
      That’s all fine and good. It still doesn’t prove this org can’t handle “raw” prospects. It shows that they’ve overestimated the talent level of one prospect. Two plums don’t make a pie.

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    101. Pezcore 107 Pezcore says:

      @ mb21:
      If we get two years of +relief out of him, that would be about what such a reliever would cost on the free-agent market. It’s difficult to predict right now. He did pitch well under pressure at a young age and at Low-A is improving despite having difficult circumstances. I really think he is released/resigns for a chunk less at the end of his first contract.

      The report on him is what we need to look at. Are those walks due to the developing change-up that he just added to his repritoire?

      Only about half the runs allowed by Concepcion are Earned. If you look at his really bad starts, he seems to give up several unearned runs very early on.

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    102. Pezcore 108 Pezcore says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Players in that “next tier”, those in the mid-first round, do not pan out anyway. That is a risk you take with young talent.
      Prospects are an absolute crapshoot in baseball.

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    103. 109 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/06/mlb-declares-jorge-soler-a-free-agent/

      Soler’s agent, Bart Hernandez of the Praver Shapiro Sports Management group, still must produce an unblocking license from the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) or two permanent residency documents from a new country before any deal can be consummated. However, typically when MLB sends out a memo declaring a Cuban player a free agent, full clearance usually isn’t far away, at least among recent notable Cuban defectors.

      Many teams believe that Soler already has a deal done, which would make most of this process no more than scripted theater, although doing so would be both a violation of MLB rules and U.S. federal law.

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    104. mb21 110 mb21 says:

      Pezcore wrote:

      If you take out his first two starts, Geraldo Concepcion is close to league-average.

      That’s not true. Here’s what he’s done minus the first two starts (which we really can’t take away anyway, but will right now):

      28.2 IP
      33 H
      23 R
      14 ER
      2 HR
      17 BB
      16 K
      7.22 RA/9 (Runs per 9 innings)
      4.40 ERA
      4.97 FIP

      League RA/9 is 4.55
      Lg ERA is 3.78
      Lg FIP is 3.78

      He’s been quite a bit worse than the league average starter even if we take away those first two starts. He’s allowed 3 runs more per 9 than the league has. He’s allowed more than a run a half more per 9 in FIP. That’s BAD.

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    105. mb21 111 mb21 says:

      If we take away his worst 2 starts we still get an RA over 6, an ERA of 4.98 and an FIP of 5.09.

      There’s really no way to look at his numbers and come away with anything other than terrible. His K/BB rate is atrocious and indicative of a player who struggles to even get to High A, let alone MLB.

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    106. mb21 112 mb21 says:

      Pezcore wrote:

      Players in that “next tier”, those in the mid-first round, do not pan out anyway. That is a risk you take with young talent.

      I’m not talking mid-first round. I’m talking about guys who are usually the number 1 overall pick in years when Harper and Strasburg aren’t around. I’m talking about the very best in the draft minus a couple freak of nature prospects like Harper and Strasburg.

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    107. mb21 113 mb21 says:

      The first pick in the draft last year signed for $8 million. That’s what I’m talking about. Concepcion isn’t even remotely close to that caliber.

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    108. josh 114 josh says:

      I don’t know about Soler, but I like this hamster:

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    109. josh 115 josh says:

      @ GBTS:
      I don’t know it it’s art, but I like it.

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    110. GBTS 116 GBTS says:

      I am super impressed with Bryce Harper’s at bats.

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    111. Rizzo the Rat 117 ACT says:

      @ GBTS:
      Just a few months ago, he was struggling in the high minors.

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    112. GBTS 118 GBTS says:

      @ ACT:
      His first two at bats against Beachy he drew walks in 9+ pitch at bats, then he tomohawked an opposite field single in his third on a high fastball.

      He really really looks legit. At fucking 19. Unreal.

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    113. Rice Cube 119 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      But how many saves is he going to record?

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    114. Rizzo the Rat 120 ACT says:

      Oh, and one thing that just occurred to me. Johan Santana is just the second person born with the name “Johan Santana” to throw a Major League no-hitter.

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    115. 122 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-pursuit-of-soler-official-20120602,0,1642929.story

      Today’s lineup (dying laughing):
      Campana CF

      Castro SS

      DeJesus RF

      Soriano LF

      LaHair 1B

      Clevenger C

      Barney 2B

      Mather 3B

      Garza P

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    116. mb21 123 mb21 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Today’s lineup (dying laughing):

      no reason to watch

      fixed

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    117. 124 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/10591/ricketts-still-waiting-to-hear-from-rahm

      “The number one thing you take away is some genius architect in 1914 laid out this park and it’s still the best place to watch baseball,” he said. “We’re not going to fix what isn’t broken. When someone gets to Wrigley Field and they get in their seat and they look out the field, and the ivy, and the scoreboard, they’re in their happy place. This is where they want to be. This is where they want to watch baseball.”

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    118. Rice Cube 125 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      Dude. Matt Cain.

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    119. GBTS 126 GBTS says:

      So I’m in Washington D.C. and I’m apparently blacked out from watching the Cubs play in California, even though that neither the Nationals nor the Orioles are playing. (I’m assuming I’m supposed to be watching them instead.)

      Just….fucking lunacy.

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    120. 127 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      I will never understand MLBs blackout rules.

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    121. GBTS 128 GBTS says:

      I’m just going to upload MLB videos to YouTube for 3 hours instead. If they’re going to fuck with me I’ll fuck with them.

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    122. Rice Cube 129 Rice Cube says:

      No Brenly today. Dick Stockton and Karros.

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    123. Rice Cube 130 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      Without the express written consent of Major League Baseball?!?!

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    124. 131 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’ve already engaged the mute button.

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    125. Rice Cube 132 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Since it’s 1912 you can just write your own silent movie dialogue cards!

      I feel like if they wanted authenticity they should do away with the helmets and have all the dark-skilled folks play in whiteface.

      /politically incorrect

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    126. 133 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Cain looks like he brought the good stuff today.

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    127. Rice Cube 134 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      He’s pretty good at baseball.

      /understatement

      I kind of wish Lincecum was still good too. He’s having major issues this season. Not really sure why.

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    128. Rice Cube 135 Rice Cube says:

      Boo Mather.

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    129. 136 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Am I the only one that gets the impression Joe Mather’s defense sucks at 3B?

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    130. 137 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Shite.

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    131. 138 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      DeJesus was playing somewhere near Alcatraz Island there.

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    132. 139 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      When did Angel Pagan TRANSFORM?

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    133. 140 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Oooooh, filthy.

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    134. Suburban kid 141 Suburban kid says:

      @ GBTS:
      Well, if you’re in Washington, just go watch it on the giant Game Day they have there

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    135. 142 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Watching Soriano run makes my knees hurt.

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    136. Rice Cube 143 Rice Cube says:

      Didn’t realize the Giants had such a bad defense.

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    137. 144 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      TOOTBLAN

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    138. Rice Cube 145 Rice Cube says:

      Ewww…run-and-hit makes me sad.

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    139. 146 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      MB doesn’t think those should count as TOOTBLANs

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    140. Rice Cube 147 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think that’s more bad luck than an actual TOOTBLAN.

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    141. 148 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Drew Stubbs just broke Minute Maid Park

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    142. 149 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume Jeff Samardzija owns several of Ryan Braun’s RemeTEEs.

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    143. 150 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nice snag from Barney

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    144. 151 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      (dying laughing) and Garza’s “dirt off my shoulder” look coming off the field

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    145. Berselius 152 Berselius says:

      mb21 wrote:

      The first pick in the draft last year signed for $8 million in a market of one. That’s what I’m talking about. Concepcion isn’t even remotely close to that caliber.

      I get what you’re saying, but it always bugs me to compare money for amateur free agents with drafted players. The market is very different.

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    146. 153 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I think he was out, but that was a helluva bunt from Campana

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    147. 154 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Yep. He was out.

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    148. Rice Cube 155 Rice Cube says:

      Human element!

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    149. Berselius 156 Berselius says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      I will never understand MLBs blackout rules.

      Blame FOX for this one, not MLB

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    150. Rice Cube 157 Rice Cube says:

      THERE’S your TOOTBLAN.

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    151. 158 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Holy fucking shit, what a throw from Posey. Incredible.

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    152. 159 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Crushed.

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    153. 160 Mercurial Outfielder says:

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    154. Berselius 161 Berselius says:

      Speaking of monster HRs, Baez hit a bomb (via HP)

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    155. Rice Cube 162 Rice Cube says:

      Soriano probably wouldn’t have made it to third safely with his bum leg…I thought he ran out of the box pretty well though.

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    156. Berselius 163 Berselius says:

      @ Berselius:

      It cleared the Pepsi sign apparently. I think HP took that video himself. He and KG are both at the game

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    157. mb21 164 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      As I mentioned, I don’t care about how the circumstances are different. It doesn’t justify spending that much more money. If you want to compare it to something similar, I already compared it to the international free agents in Latin America. Nobody comes close to getting the money that Concepcion did.

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    158. Rice Cube 165 Rice Cube says:

      Castro —> good range

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    159. mb21 166 mb21 says:

      IMO this is where an owner should step in and say, “no, there’s no fucking way you’re spending that much money on this Soler guy and I should bitch slap you for even considering it.” (dying laughing)

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    160. 167 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Only the owner is too preoccupied praising the genius of Zachary Taylor Davis.

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    161. 168 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      How many times can Campana fuck up on one play?

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    162. Rice Cube 169 Rice Cube says:

      Wow @ Campana

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    163. Rice Cube 170 Rice Cube says:

      Soriano was supposed to field that, right? I thought it was obvious once it dropped. Soriano looked like he had the “WTF” face when the ball got knocked away (dying laughing)

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    164. 171 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Campana can flat fly

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    165. Rice Cube 173 Rice Cube says:

      Aggressive baserunning is working!

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    166. 174 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Soriano’s in so much pain right now. Why the fuck is out there?

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    167. Rice Cube 175 Rice Cube says:

      Woah…that ball wasn’t played well by Soriano, wonder if it knuckled in the air or something.

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    168. Rice Cube 176 Rice Cube says:

      Ruh roh!

      Double play?

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    169. Rice Cube 177 Rice Cube says:

      NOW they need a double play…that pitch looked good.

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    170. Rice Cube 178 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Gameday says just inside.

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    171. josh 179 josh says:

      How is Soriano not on the DL? He can barely walk.

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    172. 180 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ugh

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    173. 181 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      It’s almost cruel to keep running him out there.

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    174. josh 182 josh says:

      Two of those pitches to Huff looked like strikes, but the last one looked inside, at least to me. I didn’t see the Gameday.

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    175. Rice Cube 183 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      The last one was inside. Good call by the human element.

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    176. josh 184 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      But what about the two before that he called balls?

      Wikipedia’s page on Clevenger shows him batting righty. WTF?

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    177. Rice Cube 185 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      Gameday suggests that all the balls were true balls. Not sure if the zone was set up to Huff’s height though.

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    178. josh 186 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Fair enough.

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    179. Rice Cube 187 Rice Cube says:

      So I guess to be effective, Campana has to make contact such that the ball hits the infield in an area that is basically unfieldable….easy enough, right?

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    180. GBTS 188 GBTS says:


      (dying laughing)

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    181. 189 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nice to see Castro take the walk there.

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    182. GBTS 190 GBTS says:

      LETS DO THIS

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    183. 191 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      (dying laughing)

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    184. Rice Cube 192 Rice Cube says:

      Why is the #3 hitter bunting?!

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    185. Rice Cube 193 Rice Cube says:

      Fie.

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    186. 194 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      blech

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    187. GBTS 195 GBTS says:

      I blame Rally Bear.

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    188. 196 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Great pitching performances from both Garza and Cain. Fun to watch.

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    189. GBTS 197 GBTS says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’ll take your word for it.

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    190. GBTS 198 GBTS says:

      Vitters homered again.

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    191. josh 199 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Not a bad game overall. Defensively, though, kind of shitty.

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    192. Rizzo the Rat 200 ACT says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Even Marmol pitched pretty well.

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    193. josh 201 josh says:

      @ ACT:
      The MVP did as well.

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    194. Rizzo the Rat 202 ACT says:

      Remember when Joey Votto was overshadowed by other first basemen in the NL? Seems like an eternity ago.

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    195. Rizzo the Rat 203 ACT says:

      Nowadays, Votto towers over the league like a giant towering thing, but as recently as 2010, he was less famous than Adrian Gonzalez, Ryan Howard, Albert Pujols, and Prince Fielder. He only made it to the ASG by that Final Vote thing (which probably helped him get more well-known).

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    196. josh 204 josh says:

      @ ACT:
      Doesn’t hurt that most of those guys are now in the AL. I was going to say A-Gonz fell off the map, but I was just looking and he actually has been maintaining a solid performance for the Red Sox. Perhaps being on the Padres has a way of making solid performance look amazing.

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    197. josh 205 josh says:

      @ ACT:
      His competitors now are Travis Ishikawa, Aubry Huff, Uh… Lance Berkman sometimes, Bryan LaHair, Adam LaRoche, who is actually having a semi decent year.

      Wait, isn’t Michael Morse coming back soon? Maybe he’ll give Joey some competition.

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    198. Rizzo the Rat 206 ACT says:

      @ josh:
      The DH rule kind of gives the AL a big advantage when it comes to signing first basemen to long-term deals (that is, they have an option when they are no longer able to play the field, so it’s less of a risk).

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    199. SVB 207 SVB says:

      Jose Valverde——> Not good this year. Booed off field. Did Marmol (April 2012) imitation

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    200. SVB 208 SVB says:

      Miguel Cabrera had a good face palm on tonight’s FOX broadcast….after a TOOTBLAN.

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    201. GBTS 209 GBTS says:

      @ josh:
      He came back today, though in the outfield.

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    202. josh 210 josh says:

      @ GBTS:
      I guess he’s not really a full-time 1B, and he probably isn’t back in time to get much All-star voting or anything, even if he does well.

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    203. Rizzo the Rat 211 ACT says:

      @ SVB:
      It must suck to be a closer. You get judged on the smallest sample sizes and your past successes are quickly forgotten.

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    204. Rizzo the Rat 212 ACT says:

      Anyway, Twitter is buzzing about how Baez swung 3-0 with a 13-run lead and got plunked on the next pitch. The manager even visited the mound to tell the pitcher to hit him (both manager and pitcher were ejected).

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    205. Rizzo the Rat 213 ACT says:

      Aroldis on the year:
      28 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 HR, 9 BB, 50 K

      He hasn’t given up a hit since 5/17. He hasn’t had a single outing all year in which he didn’t have at least 1 K.

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    206. Rice Cube 214 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      Four very good starts!

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    207. Rizzo the Rat 215 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      It would be a tragedy if he never gets a chance to start. I bet if Nolan Ryan were coming up today, he’d be groomed as a closer.

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    208. 216 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ SVB:
      In three days, maybe we’ll get a gif of it. (dying laughing)

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    209. 217 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ ACT:
      That is a pretty assholish thing to do. Although so is purposely throwing a baseball at someone.

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    210. Rice Cube 218 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      It would behoove the Cubs to tell him to cool it a bit before someone tries to kill him with a fastball.

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    211. 219 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Yeah, but if you take a look at his Twitter, you get the impression that “cooling it” is not something Baez does. (dying laughing)

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    212. SVB 220 SVB says:

      @ ACT:
      yeah, but he hasn’t been as good this year as the last two years: FIP is one run higher, ERA is two runs higher, 2:1 K:BB from last year is more like 1:1 this year, BABIP is up, K/9 down to 7.5 from 8.5, while BB/9 is up to 5.75 (!).

      I think closers that walk people have a much shorter leash when they have poor streaks than closers that give up runs on hits.

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    213. Rice Cube 221 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I was not aware he tweeted. I guess the Cubs aren’t going to care as long as he doesn’t suck.

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    214. Rizzo the Rat 222 ACT says:

      yeah, but he hasn’t been as good this year as the last two years: FIP is one run higher, ERA is two runs higher, 2:1 K:BB from last year is more like 1:1 this year, BABIP is up, K/9 down to 7.5 from 8.5, while BB/9 is up to 5.75 (!).

      Yes, but all in the number of innings a typical starter throws in about 3 weeks. All starters have bad months an no one thinks twice about it.

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    215. dylanj 223 dylanj says:

      new shit up

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