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  • Lollygagging Chicago Cubs (56-71) vs. Fun-Having Atlanta Braves (76-52)

    Bobby Valentine doesn’t think much of the Cubs, particularly Starlin Castro.  He must have just watched bull Durham or something.

    Bobby would definitely support the Cubs’ strict “no dinners” policy, so I fully expect to see him named to be the next manager as long as the Cubs include an expense acount for his disguises.

    Meanwhile, the Cubs are going with a non-Starlin lineup for at least the first game. So you may as well try your hand at making money on internet casino by placing your bet on the toughest team, which certainly won’t be the Cubs.  I haven’t seen a statement from Quade or anyone from the Cubs, but Starlin is not in the starting lineup.  I’m assuming his sunflower seeds have also been confiscated.

    Jair Jurrjens vs. Ryan Dempster

    Jurrjens hasn’t been great lately, but he still sports an overall 2.84 ERA so he’s doing something right.  Dempster, on the other hand, has been more good than bad lately and gotten his ERA down to 4.61, which is a heck of an accomplishment considering his start.  This a game the Cubs need to win if they have delusions of even splitting this series.

    Mike Minor vs. Casey Coleman

    Mike Minor’s stock as a pitching prospect has fallen, but he’s still better than Casey Coleman. Mike Minor, and to a lesser extent Coleman, are examples of how risky an MLB Draft pick can be much like playing at one of the US casinos. However, the return on your investment if the pick works out will be worth more than your initial investment.

    Derek Lowe vs. Randy Wells

    The battle of pitchers disappointing the hell out of their fans.  I’d rather be in the position where I’m being disappointed by Derek Lowe’s season, but whatever.

    Brandon Beachy vs. Matt Garza

    Of course, this is the most intriguing match-up of the series and I’ll be at work.  This is also a must-win for the Cubs if winning or tying this series is at all plausible.  Garza is the unquestionable ace of the Cubs’ staff stuff-wise, and actually came up with a win in his last start as a cherry on top of another outstanding performance.  I don’t know a ton about Beachy, but my fantasy team has benefitted from his consistency this year.

    I think the Cubs will get one game, but only because it is so difficult to sweep a four game series.


    329 Responses to “Lollygagging Chicago Cubs (56-71) vs. Fun-Having Atlanta Braves (76-52)”

    1. 1 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Sullivan has decided that Castro was benched on the basis of Valentine’s criticism. Here we go again…

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    2. 2 ZappBrannigan says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Sullivan has decided that Castro was benched on the basis of Valentine’s criticism. Here we go again…[/quote]
      I don’t think it’s a ridiculous conclusion. Obviously Sullivan is a twat, but I can’t fault him for assuming that.

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    3. 3 binky says:

      I don’t know what kind of inside track Carrie Muskat has or if she’s just a paid hack, but:

      http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/08/22/822-cubs-lineup-no-castro/

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    4. 4 binky says:

      She says “may” so obviously she’s just guessing too. It’s ridiculous that this is even being mentioned. How about just mention that BV is a douchebag and let’s move on?

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    5. 5 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=ZappBrannigan]I don’t think it’s a ridiculous conclusion. Obviously Sullivan is a twat, but I can’t fault him for assuming that.[/quote]Because it breeds the stupid among the fans. Chicago fans love to believe that the reasons their team fails boil down to character flaws in the players, and this sort of thing plays into that prevailing stupidity. The Cubs are bad because they built a roster worth about 75 wins, not because of any personal failing of any player(s). But Sullivan loves to beat this drum, and especially about the Latino players. They’re lazy and cancerous. That’s the Paul Sullivan mantra.

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    6. 6 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]She says “may” so obviously she’s just guessing too. It’s ridiculous that this is even being mentioned. How about just mention that BV is a douchebag and let’s move on?[/quote]Exactly. Quade could easily have decided to give him the night off to avoid the same scrutiny from mustachioed fuckface and professional turdmouth Bob Brenly, who will no doubt belabor the same points tonight because he wants the job as bad as Valentine.

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    7. 7 bubblesdachimp says:

      Ugh. I hate this team..

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    8. 8 ZappBrannigan says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Because it breeds the stupid among the fans. Chicago fans love to believe that the reasons their team fails boil down to character flaws in the players, and this sort of thing plays into that prevailing stupidity. The Cubs are bad because they built a roster worth about 75 wins, not because of any personal failing of any player(s). But Sullivan loves to beat this drum, and especially about the Latino players. They’re lazy and cancerous. That’s the Paul Sullivan mantra.[/quote]
      Yes, Sullivan and many of the other talentless hacks in the Chicago media and blogosphere like pretending this team is awful because of the inherent character flaws of many of its players. I disagree strongly with that notion and think it is dangerous and even rather racist.

      However, I don’t believe in this circumstance it’s very unreasonable to think that Castro was benched because he was very publicly caught not paying the least bit of attention to the baseball game he was playing in and criticized for it on national television vociferously by a respected (albeit stupid) baseball personality. Obviously they shouldn’t play it off as fact but I hardly think it is a serious logical jump.

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    9. 9 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      It’s going on on my FB wall right now. Jesus, I swear Chicago fans willo seize any opportunity to talk about heart and will and want-to and a ton of other shit that doesn’t matter, and what is their defense:

      “if the best roster won every time, then Boston or NYY would win every year.”

      /faceplam
      //headdesk
      ///pistol in mouth

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    10. 10 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Exactly. Quade could easily have decided to give him the night off to avoid the same scrutiny from mustachioed fuckface and professional turdmouth Bob Brenly, who will no doubt belabor the same points tonight because he wants the job as bad as Valentine.[/quote]Could be that, but it could also be a day off because he was in la-la land. Bobby V apparently went way too far and made way too big a deal of it, but what Castro did is pretty bad. If Castro was given the day off today because of that and if Bobby V hadn’t made such a big deal out of it, I don’t think any of us would notice. I guess I can understand giving him the day off after something like that. Quade already stuck up for him so I’m good with it if it’s a punishment in some way.

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    11. 11 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=ZappBrannigan]Yes, Sullivan and many of the other talentless hacks in the Chicago media and blogosphere like pretending this team is awful because of the inherent character flaws of many of its players. I disagree strongly with that notion and think it is dangerous and even rather racist.

      However, I don’t believe in this circumstance it’s very unreasonable to think that Castro was benched because he was very publicly caught not paying the least bit of attention to the baseball game he was playing in and criticized for it on national television.[/quote]Maybe he was. But to speculate on that until Quade has said so is just part of the narrative that Sullivan is building around Castro. This won’t be last time Sullivan writes about this.

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    12. 12 bubblesdachimp says:

      BruceMiles2112 Bruce Miles
      #Cubs Quade sez mental day off for Castro, sez hes disappointed in lapse of attention but Castro has made progress

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    13. 13 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]Could be that, but it could also be a day off because he was in la-la land. Bobby V apparently went way too far and made way too big a deal of it, but what Castro did is pretty bad. If Castro was given the day off today because of that and if Bobby V hadn’t made such a big deal out of it, I don’t think any of us would notice. I guess I can understand giving him the day off after something like that. Quade already stuck up for him so I’m good with it if it’s a punishment in some way.[/quote][quote name=mb21]Could be that, but it could also be a day off because he was in la-la land. Bobby V apparently went way too far and made way too big a deal of it, but what Castro did is pretty bad. If Castro was given the day off today because of that and if Bobby V hadn’t made such a big deal out of it, I don’t think any of us would notice. I guess I can understand giving him the day off after something like that. Quade already stuck up for him so I’m good with it if it’s a punishment in some way.[/quote]I suppose that’s fair. But you know good and well that Sullivan is not making that point. This is the beginning of his poison pen campaign against Castro.

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    14. 14 mb21 says:

      However, I don’t believe in this circumstance it’s very unreasonable to think that Castro was benched because he was very publicly caught not paying the least bit of attention to the baseball game he was playing in and criticized for it on national television.

      I agree, which is why I don’t think a day off because of it is all that bad. I didn’t hear what Bobby V said, but apparently it was pretty bad and that’s ridiculous. That shit happens, but at the same time as a manager you have to do something when you see something like that.

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    15. 15 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]BruceMiles2112 Bruce Miles
      #Cubs Quade sez mental day off for Castro, sez hes disappointed in lapse of attention but Castro has made progress[/quote]See, Miles does it right. Go get the quote and get the evidence, then write. Sullivan just prints wild-assed speculation.

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    16. 16 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]I agree, which is why I don’t think a day off because of it is all that bad. I didn’t hear what Bobby V said, but apparently it was pretty bad and that’s ridiculous. That shit happens, but at the same time as a manager you have to do something when you see something like that.[/quote]Yeah, the day off is more than justified. No one, and I mean no one, should have their back turned when a pitch is thrown.

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    17. 17 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]BruceMiles2112 Bruce Miles
      #Cubs Quade sez mental day off for Castro, sez hes disappointed in lapse of attention but Castro has made progress[/quote]Mental day off for taking a mental day off. (dying laughing)

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    18. 18 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I suppose that’s fair. But you know good and well that Sullivan is not making that point. This is the beginning of his poison pen campaign against Castro.[/quote]Probably so and that’s ridiculous, but the punishment itself, I understand that. Sullivan unfortunatley has a story he’d love to run with and will do so happily. However, I don’t think you can avoid punishment because the media is fucking retarded. (dying laughing)

      Quade didn’t put any excess blame or make a big deal out of it and we know the douchebag journalists will unfortunately do just that. Quade still had to do his job, though.

      I feel sorry for the next manager. (dying laughing)

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    19. 20 mb21 says:

      I think this is twice this year Quade has been critical of Castro and each time he’s included a compliment. I don’t have any idea how much it matters, if at all, but for someone that young that’s what you’d hope to hear as a fan.

      It’s really too bad that Quade opens his mouth too much, leaves the starters in too long and all that because I actually like how he’s handled himself otherwise.

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    20. 21 ZappBrannigan says:

      Poor Castro

      :-

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    21. 22 bubblesdachimp says:

      (@BruceMiles2112) #Cubs Quade said he watched Castro tape on mute and said he does not listen to Bobby Valentine

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    22. 23 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp](@BruceMiles2112) #Cubs Quade said he watched Castro tape on mute and said he does not listen to Bobby Valentine[/quote](dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      Spoken like a man who knows Valentine is after his job.

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    23. 24 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]I think this is twice this year Quade has been critical of Castro and each time he’s included a compliment. I don’t have any idea how much it matters, if at all, but for someone that young that’s what you’d hope to hear as a fan.

      It’s really too bad that Quade opens his mouth too much, leaves the starters in too long and all that because I actually like how he’s handled himself otherwise.[/quote]Yeah, I really like how Quade handles controversy. I don’t have a problem with the punishment, just the coverage of it.

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    24. 25 bubblesdachimp says:

      CarrieMuskat Carrie Muskat
      #Cubs Q after watching video of Castro on Sunday & nonchalance: “I was really disappointed and very surprised. … It’s not acceptable”

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    25. 26 binky says:

      If the punishment ends here and the Cubs play it off, as Quade has shown he can do already, then he can end it. Don’t give the dipshits a story and let them look like assholes harping on a problem that has already been addressed. The best thing the team can do is just conduct their own business and let the media do what it wants, which is be stupid.

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    26. 27 bubblesdachimp says:

      BruceMiles2112 Bruce Miles
      #Cubs Quade adds that youth is no longer an excuse for Castro to have lapese in judgment or attention.

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    27. 28 bubblesdachimp says:

      I didnt watch the video so i dont know what happened. But if castro was kinda mucking it around out there i dont necesarrily disagree with the sitting him down. I might have done it on Tuesday though

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    28. 29 binky says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I didnt watch the video so i dont know what happened. But if castro was kinda mucking it around out there i dont necesarrily disagree with the sitting him down. I might have done it on Tuesday though[/quote]No, sitting him is absolutely the right call. What happened was that Bobby Valentine, during the broadcast, used that lapse of judgement to nitpick every single thing Castro did for an entire inning, and it got extremely ridiculous very quickly.

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    29. 30 ACT says:

      Here’s the video if anyone is interested: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18299867

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    30. 31 Aisle424 says:

      Obviously everyone wants Quade to have charged out of the dugout in the middle of the inning and grabbed Castro by the ear and dragged him into the dugout.

      They look back at Billy Martin yanking Reggie in the middle of the inning or Bobby Cox yanking Andruw Jones and think that is how every lapse in judgement or focus should be addressed. Castro was wrong, but there is no need to publicly humiliate the guy just to show that SOMETHING was done. I don’t know why people assume that because it doesn’t happen on television in front of everyone that nothing was ever done or said.

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    31. 32 Aisle424 says:

      I wonder if these people bitching would be happy when their boss takes out a full-page ad in the Tribune as a performance review the next time they get caught looking at Facebook at work.

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    32. 33 Suburban kid 22 says:

      Fucking (dying laughing)lygaggers

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    33. 34 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]I wonder if these people bitching would be happy when their boss takes out a full-page ad in the Tribune as a performance review the next time they get caught looking at Facebook at work.[/quote]
      They won’t be happy, but they’d say that wouldn’t happen because they don’t get paid zillions of dollars.

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    34. 35 Aisle424 says:

      I’ll bet most of the people who are pissed about it are just as overpaid as Soriano, but just on a smaller scale. Soriano is still one of the best baseball players on the entire planet. People who call into talk-radio and bitch about lazy players are most likely not the best in anything.

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    35. 36 Suburban kid 22 says:

      Castro looked like I do when I have one of my really bad headaches.

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    36. 37 Suburban kid 22 says:

      [quote name=ZappBrannigan] a respected (albeit stupid) baseball personality.[/quote]
      (dying laughing)

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    37. 38 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]I wonder if these people bitching would be happy when their boss takes out a full-page ad in the Tribune as a performance review the next time they get caught looking at Facebook at work.[/quote]There’s a real disconnect between fans and what they expect at their jobs and what they expect out of their favorite ballplayers. It’s really odd and most of them wouldn’t even see it if you pointed it out. I’ve tried to do it for nearly 7 years and there are those who are just plain stubborn.

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    38. 39 mb21 says:

      [quote name=ACT]Here’s the video if anyone is interested: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18299867/quoteYeah, I don’t think there’s any doubt a punishment (if you even want to call it that) was in order. That really should never happen, but over 162 games it will happen. It needs to be addressed when it happens, but at the same time people have to understand they never give 100% 100% of the time. Nobody does.

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    39. 40 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid 22]Castro looked like I do when I have one of my really bad headaches.[/quote]I hope you were publically ridiculed.

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    40. 41 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=mb21]There’s a real disconnect between fans and what they expect at their jobs and what they expect out of their favorite ballplayers. It’s really odd and most of them wouldn’t even see it if you pointed it out. I’ve tried to do it for nearly 7 years and there are those who are just plain stubborn.[/quote]
      I think most of it comes from the fact that their favorite players are being paid to do a job that amounts to a child’s game, and so there’s a lot of jealousy and resentment that goes into it.

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    41. 42 Suburban kid 22 says:

      [quote name=mb21]I hope you were publically ridiculed.[/quote]Only privately.

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    42. 43 bubblesdachimp says:

      (@BruceMiles2112) #Cubs Castro says he has apologized to teammates for Sunday night action

      Well this is done then

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    43. 44 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp](@BruceMiles2112) #Cubs Castro says he has apologized to teammates for Sunday night action

      Well this is done then[/quote]
      Why would it be done? He spat seeds.

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    44. 45 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid 22]Only privately.[/quote]How the hell did that come out publically? Why would it auto-correct to the incorrect spelling? FAIL

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    45. 46 Rice Cube says:

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/22/starlin-castro-benched-after-sundays-lapses/

      Thought this was interesting:

      willcoop – Aug 22, 2011 at 6:45 PM
      Now I’m going to blow a gasket on this one here. This reeks of complete stupidity by the Cubs manager and just lends justification to the fact that he is not a good Manager. If Bobby Valentine hadn’t said anything, we are not having this conversation. What does this say for the Cubs manager and coaches? Says they are buffoons because they let the broadcaster dictate how his team is ran. Then Quade has the stones to say,”maybe I need to call Bobby and see what he saw!” Are you effing kidding me? Please get this joke of a manager out the door, he has no clue and no business being in that position. He should be totally embarrassed as a field boss to have to rely on the broadcaster to tell him what’s going on with his players on the field. His coaches should be canned as well because they are supposed to be the extra eyes watching what’s going on out on the field. I’m not saying Castro was right, but how can you discipline a player for something you didn’t see yourself as the manager? Quade has beat this kids ass all year and it’s not getting through, so that tells me that the staff has no control of the players and how they go about their daily business. Time to bring in either Brenly or Sandberg. Brenly definitely will not put up with that crap

      Only comment so far. I think if Bobby V hadn’t said anything, Q would still have given Castro the day off and been able to brush it off as just another day off.

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    46. 47 mb21 says:

      I think so, too, RC. It was obvious and pretty bad on Castro’s part.

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    47. 48 ACT says:

      mlb.com is showing the Verlander game for free. I like that guy.

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    48. 49 Rice Cube says:

      Strategery question…

      Why pinch-hit for your relief pitcher if you’re just going to sac bunt with your backup catcher?

      They took the bunt off after two foul bunt attempts but that just seemed ludicrous to me.

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    49. 50 ACT says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Strategery question…

      Why pinch-hit for your relief pitcher if you’re just going to sac bunt with your backup catcher?[/quote]Because pitchers especially relievers) suck at bunting. Not to mention, if the pitcher is batting in a bunting situation, the defense will play in more, reducing the chances of success.

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    50. 51 Suburban kid 22 says:

      [quote name=mb21]How the hell did that come out publically? Why would it auto-correct to the incorrect spelling? FAIL[/quote]I was going to say “Only privatally”, but I didn’t want to be a dick.

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    51. 52 ACT says:

      Oh, yeah, and taking the bunt off after 2 foul bunt attempts is another reason; non-pitchers are better able to swing away with 2 strikes than a relief pitcher.

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    52. 53 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=ACT]Because pitchers especially relievers) suck at bunting. Not to mention, if the pitcher is batting in a bunting situation, the defense will play in more, reducing the chances of success.[/quote]
      I am fine with that part. I’m annoyed with the pinch-hitter part. If you’re going to bunt, bunt with one of your starters who knows how to get one down. Don’t waste your backup catcher. And even if the bunt is taken off, you’re still down two strikes that you could’ve been more productive with. Yeesh.

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    53. 54 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=ACT]mlb.com is showing the Verlander game for free. I like that guy.[/quote]
      (dying laughing)

      Tropicana Field had a power issue and just barely got the lights back on according to the telecast.

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    54. 55 ACT says:

      Starting pitchers have much worse results with bunt attempts than position players.

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    55. 56 ACT says:

      Of course there’s a sampling issue; position players are called to bunt more often if they’re good at it.

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    56. 57 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=ACT]Of course there’s a sampling issue; position players are called to bunt more often if they’re good at it.[/quote]
      I’m thinking Jonathan Lucroy could’ve been more productive swinging the bat than trying to drop a bunt. Oh well.

      I understand the game theory and all that, I just don’t like the part where your backup catcher is being sent up without the platoon advantage with no outs and being asked to drop a bunt.

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    57. 58 ACT says:

      Man, Tropicana Field is a dump. No wonder nobody goes to Rays games.

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    58. 59 GBTS says:

      [quote name=ACT]Man, Tropicana Field is a dump. No wonder neither fan goes to Rays games.[/quote]SDSJM’d

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    59. 60 ACT says:

      There go my hopes of seeing another Verlander no-hitter.

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    60. 61 Rice Cube says:

      Miguel Cabrera sure has gotten fat.

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    61. 62 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid 22]I was going to say “Only privatally”, but I didn’t want to be a dick.[/quote](dying laughing) I didn’t notice it until you replied to it. Still don’t get it. I even typed it out again and it didn’t correct it. Fucking iphones.

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    62. 63 GBTS says:

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    63. 65 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Been away from computer for weekend, but just to throw my 2 cents in:

      1. Andrew Friedman. WANT
      2. Valentine. Do Not Want.
      3. Congratulations to the Milwaukee Brewers on their 2011 NL Central Championship. Much preferred for me over Cardinals, Reds

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    64. 66 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=mb21](dying laughing) I didn’t notice it until you replied to it. Still don’t get it. I even typed it out again and it didn’t correct it. Fucking iphones.[/quote]
      iPhones can be unintentionally funny:

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    65. 67 bubblesdachimp says:

      What do you think Pujols’s line would be if they had to pitch to him in Low A for a full season

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    66. 68 GBTS says:

      At least Castro being benched is front page news on ESPN.com.

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    67. 69 mb21 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]What do you think Pujols’s line would be if they had to pitch to him in Low A for a full season[/quote]really/really/good

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    68. 70 ACT says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]What do you think Pujols’s line would be if they had to pitch to him in Low A for a full season[/quote].000/1.000/.000

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    69. 71 GBTS says:

      [quote name=ACT].000/1.000/.000[/quote]Probably a low R+RBI though.

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    70. 72 GBTS says:

      Roy Campanella was black??

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    71. 73 Rice Cube says:

      GAH. The Tigers’ catcher just took a foul ball to the jugular.

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    72. 74 mb21 says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Roy Campanella was black??[/quote]correct

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    73. 75 GBTS says:

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

      Money quote on a topic that’s been discussed extensively on this blog:

      Basketball teams, of course, look like businesses. They have employees and customers and offices and a product, and they tend to be owned, in the manner of most American businesses, by rich white men. But scratch the surface and the similarities disappear. Pro sports teams don’t operate in a free market, the way real businesses do. Their employees are 25 years old and make millions of dollars a year. Their customers are obsessively loyal and emotionally engaged in their fortunes to the point that — were the business in question, say, discount retailing or lawn products — it would be considered psychologically unhealthy. They get to control their labor through the draft in a way that would be the envy of other private sector owners, at least since the Civil War. And they are treated by governments with unmatched generosity. Congress gives professional baseball an antitrust exemption. Since 2000, there have been eight basketball stadiums either built or renovated for NBA teams at a cost of $2 billion — and $1.75 billion of that came from public funds. And did you know that under the federal tax code the NFL is classified as a nonprofit organization? Big genial Roger Goodell, he of the almost $4 billion in television contracts, makes like he’s the United Way.

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    74. 76 Rice Cube says:

      Hope you guys can see this…the punch line is at the very end of the clip though (about a minute all told):

      http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTBqO26lN330P9CcD

      (scroll down a bit to see the vid)

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    75. 77 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=mb21]really/really/good[/quote]
      something like .620/.740/1.800

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    76. 78 mb21 says:

      (dying laughing) ^

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    77. 79 uncle dave says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Roy Campanella was black??[/quote]Somehow, I always get him confused with Al Campanis.

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    78. 80 mb21 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]something like .620/.740/1.800[/quote]
      No/No/No

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    79. 81 uncle dave says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]http://www.thecubreporter.com/2011/08/22/mr-rogers-not-so-friendly-fitch-park

      With info about Vogelbach and Rock[/quote]I’m just going to assume that Rock Shoulders went above slot due to his name alone.

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    80. 82 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=mb21]No/No/No[/quote]
      What do you think he would post if he was as skileld and people were pitching him like a normal person

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    81. 83 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=uncle dave]I’m just going to assume that Rock Shoulders went above slot due to his name alone.[/quote]
      I jsut like seeing the term Plus Plus power

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    82. 84 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]What do you think he would post if he was as skileld and people were pitching him like a normal person[/quote]
      He’d probably hit a lot of flat fastballs really hard but some of them are going to be right at people. I’d say .400/.500/.800 ish for Pujols batting practice.

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    83. 85 berselius22 says:

      [quote name=mb21](dying laughing) I didn’t notice it until you replied to it. Still don’t get it. I even typed it out again and it didn’t correct it. Fucking iphones.[/quote]

      Fucking phones, how do they work?

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    84. 86 mb21 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]What do you think he would post if he was as skileld and people were pitching him like a normal person[/quote]I’ll see if I can run he numbers in a ittle bit, but I’d guess .380/.500/.700.

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    85. 87 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]He’d probably hit a lot of flat fastballs really hard but some of them are going to be right at people. I’d say .400/.500/.800 ish for Pujols batting practice.[/quote]
      No way would it be that low.. Bonds basically did that at the major league level

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    86. 88 mb21 says:

      I was way off. Using the MLE from last year for MLB to Midwest League (Low A), you get .512/.652/1.109. (dying laughing)

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    87. 89 Rice Cube says:

      How does Bourn get so far off first base on a deep flyout that he can get doubled up? Heard it on the radio but that just seems like really stupid baserunning.

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    88. 90 GBTS says:

      Can’t say I’m enjoying the Roy Williams era tonight. (dying laughing)

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    89. 91 bubblesdachimp says:

      Spencer Lanning has been killing

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    90. 92 bubblesdachimp says:

      you know the bears are going to be in trouble when i am getting excited about our backup punter

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    91. 93 berselius22 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]you know the bears are going to be in trouble when i am getting excited about our backup punter[/quote]
      .

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    92. 94 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=berselius22].[/quote]
      you change your fucking name b?

      also hows the move buddy?

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    93. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Bears D just got fucking shredded.

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    94. 96 bubblesdachimp says:

      i have a feeling this is going to be a 5-11 year.. I jsut dont think the defense will be able to keep us in games.. And i cant see the offense being good

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    95. 97 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      This OL is fucking terrible.

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    96. 98 GW says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This OL is fucking terrible.[/quote]
      continuity.

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    97. 99 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This OL is fucking terrible.[/quote]BRING BACK OLINNNNNNNNN

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    98. 100 GBTS says:

      I have been enjoying the Maroon Barber era.

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    99. 101 GBTS says:

      (dying laughing) @ autocorrect.

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    100. 102 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      WR still running shit routes. Martz’ offense is a timing offense. If the WR don’t run precise routes, Cutler will throwing passes to nobody, just like there.

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    101. 103 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nice blocking on that pass.

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    102. 104 Berselius says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]you change your fucking name b?

      also hows the move buddy?[/quote]
      Just jumping on the everyone adds 22 to their name bandwagon. (dying laughing).

      Moving blows as it always does, but at least it’s mostly over. And the weather here in VA is 10000000x better than TX. Can’t believe I’m willingly sitting outside right now.

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    103. 105 bubblesdachimp says:

      You move to VA B for good? whereabouts? I am in Arlington

      Also today was the best day of the summer.

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    104. 106 Berselius says:

      [quote name=GBTS]I have been enjoying the Maroon Barber era.[/quote]
      What is the NFL equivalent of the Cuey Maroon?

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    105. 107 Rice Cube says:

      Fredi Gonzalez should clean out his vagina after issuing an IBB to Koyie Hill.

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    106. 108 Berselius says:

      bubs, I’m just visiting relatives for a week or so before heading off again. Eventually I’ll be back at UT. This kind of academic travel is a huge pain in the ass.

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    107. 109 Berselius says:

      Also, fuck this shitty internets connection in the ear with a rusty spoon

      /glacial

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    108. 110 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nothing like getting completely embarrassed. First Spurs, now Bears. What a fucking day.

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    109. 111 GBTS says:

      I understand players have assignments, but I will never understand how you can just let someone past you untouched on a special teams play.

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    110. 112 Rice Cube says:

      Try to process this baserunning snafu:

      Y Betancourt grounded into double play, third to second to third to second to catcher to third to pitcher, C McGehee out at second, P Fielder out at home, Y Betancourt to second.

      Runners at the corners, no out, WTF.

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    111. 113 binky says:

      Wow, time for MB to say “I told you so” for not pinch running Campy for Rami there.

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    112. 114 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Mike Martz still thinks it’s 2000 and he can just line up and heave it down the field with reckless abandon. Fucking hate him.

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    113. 115 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]I understand players have assignments, but I will never understand how you can just let someone past you untouched on a special teams play.[/quote]The first string looks like the 3rd string tonight. Fucking pathetic.

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    114. 116 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Nothing like getting completely embarrassed. First Spurs, now Bears. What a fucking day.[/quote]
      At least that makes up for the Spurs and Bears beatdowns, MO.

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    115. 117 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Mike Martz still thinks it’s 2000 and he can just line up and heave it down the field with reckless abandon. Fucking hate him.[/quote]
      It’s the equivalent of Fookin Run About

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    116. 118 ACT says:

      [quote name=josh]Wow, time for MB to say “I told you so” for not pinch running Campy for Rami there.[/quote]We just saw a good example of why Aramis’ baserunning stats are so poor.

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    117. 119 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This OL is fucking terrible.[/quote]You guys are ruining the Bears for me before the season even begins. LET ME BE SURPRISED!

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    118. 120 binky says:

      [quote name=ACT]We just saw a good example of why Aramis’ baserunning stats are so poor.[/quote]Agonizing. I don’t see why you don’t PR for Aramis in that situation. I know it’s 2 to tie, but you might as well fight for the first one.

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    119. 121 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]Agonizing. I don’t see why you don’t PR for Aramis in that situation. I know it’s 2 to tie, but you might as well fight for the first one.[/quote]
      What about the rest of the game? You need the guy to get to first base before you can have him take an extra base.

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    120. 122 ACT says:

      [quote name=josh]Agonizing. I don’t see why you don’t PR for Aramis in that situation. I know it’s 2 to tie, but you might as well fight for the first one.[/quote]There were 2 outs, and he’s the best hitter in the lineup.

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    121. 123 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=ACT]There were 2 outs, and he’s the best hitter in the lineup.[/quote]
      They can’t do that anymore, Campana pinch-bunt-hit so can’t pinch-run. Oh well.

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    122. 124 ACT says:

      Not to mention, it was only the 4th inning.

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    123. 125 binky says:

      [quote name=ACT]Not to mention, it was only the 4th inning.[/quote]5th.

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    124. 126 ACT says:

      Whatever.

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    125. 127 Rice Cube says:

      Campana is pretty fast.

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    126. 128 binky says:

      You lose maybe one AB from Rami, but they would have gotten on the board. I’m probably wrong, but listening to Rami go station to station when the players behind him came through with hits sucks ass.

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    127. 129 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]You lose maybe one AB from Rami, but they would have gotten on the board. I’m probably wrong, but listening to Rami go station to station when the players behind him came through with hits sucks ass.[/quote]
      It’s a tradeoff. You can try to put Campana in, but he’s only one run scored. If they don’t score, and they don’t keep Campana in the game, you lose the speedster, you lose Rami’s bat, and you also have Jeff Baker at 3B for possibly better defense but probably not the same bat. I think it was too early to try the pinch-run idea and I doubt Q would do it anyway.

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    128. 130 melissa says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Fredi Gonzalez should clean out his vagina after issuing an IBB to Koyie Hill.[/quote]
      Maybe you could lick it out for him.

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    129. 131 ACT says:

      Yeah, Campana would represent only 1 run, and they were down by 2. And again, there were 2 outs. Q had no way to know the next 2 hitters would get hits.

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    130. 132 binky says:

      [quote name=melissa]Maybe you could lick it out for him.[/quote]Gross all around.

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    131. 133 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]Gross all around.[/quote]
      My bad (dying laughing)

      Issuing intentional walks to automatic outs like Koyie Hill clashes with my sense of morality.

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    132. 134 melissa says:

      [quote name=josh]Gross all around.[/quote]
      Yeah, vaginas are really icky but it’s totes hilarious to say that a dude has one.

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    133. 135 binky says:

      [quote name=melissa]Yeah, vaginas are really icky but it’s totes hilarious to say that a dude has one.[/quote]I don’t think vaginas are icky, I think the thought of RC (who I imagine as a green Carlos Zambrano) licking Fredi Gonzalez’s male vagina is a gross image.

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    134. 136 bubblesdachimp says:

      Erik Josich with a great start tonight at AA: 6ip 3 hits 2bb 1 er 10 K

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    135. 137 bubblesdachimp says:

      Also russell has been really good in relief it seems. Its amazing his era is so low with how many times he got blown out starting

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    136. 138 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]I don’t think vaginas are icky, I think the thought of RC (who I imagine as a green Carlos Zambrano) licking Fredi Gonzalez’s male vagina is a gross image.[/quote]
      Rule 34…

      …plus somewhere, there’s someone who would actually pay to see that.

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    137. 139 ACT says:

      BJax 1-3, 2B, K

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    138. 140 ACT says:

      I love it when Pena bunts.

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    139. 141 ACT says:

      Now BJax is 2-4

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    140. 142 binky says:

      This team without Castro ——–> boring

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    141. 143 ACT says:

      Especially with Koyie starting over Soto.

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    142. 144 GBTS says:

      [quote name=josh]This team without Castro ——–> boring[/quote]I’d rather watch him spit seeds in his kitchen than this.

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    143. 145 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]This team without Castro ——–> boring[/quote]
      I’d be watching the Bears game if the boy weren’t watching The Fairly Oddparents.

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    144. 146 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I’d be watching the Bears game if the boy weren’t watching The Fairly Oddparents.[/quote]
      you are a girl?

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    145. 147 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]you are a girl?[/quote]
      No, but I did help make a baby :-)

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    146. 148 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]No, but I did help make a baby :-) [/quote]Let’s hope Fredi wasn’t involved.

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    147. 149 bubblesdachimp says:

      well this game is over. kimbrel and venters both have 20 IP scoreless streaks

      (dying laughing)

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    148. 150 binky says:

      The radio broadcast for the Bears is streaming live on the internet, but it sounds like they’re sub-Cubs worthless.

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    149. 151 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]No, but I did help make a baby :-) [/quote]
      i am so confused. oh well.

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    150. 152 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]Let’s hope Fredi wasn’t involved.[/quote]
      Unfortunately for comic relief purposes, Fredi wasn’t involved.

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    151. 153 GBTS says:

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      The new trophy awarded to the winner of Iowa-Iowa State. As in a football game:

      Explain yourself, MB.

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    152. 154 GBTS says:

      [quote name=josh]Let’s hope Fredi wasn’t involved.[/quote](dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    153. 155 mb21 says:

      That trophy is retarded and whoever thought of it should not be allowed to think again.

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    154. 156 binky says:

      [quote name=mb21]That trophy is retarded and whoever thought of it should not be allowed to think again.[/quote]Iowans.

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    155. 157 bubblesdachimp says:

      Reed has 3 bb’s in 185 at bats with a .935 OPS (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    156. 158 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Reed has 3 bb’s in 185 at bats with a .935 OPS (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote]and like 40 or so K’s. So his success this year is totally repeatable. (dying laughing)

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    157. 159 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Reed has 3 bb’s in 185 at bats with a .935 OPS (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote]
      (dying laughing)

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    158. 160 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Wow. Jon Gruden is working on a Piniella-esque boilergut.

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    159. 161 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]and like 40 or so K’s. So his success this year is totally repeatable. (dying laughing)[/quote]
      I mean yea probably not this high but i see no reason why he cant continue to keep killing lefties like he has done the past few years

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    160. 162 mb21 says:

      Reed has been hit by a pitch 9 times this year. Dude just doesn’t get out of the way of pitches. What’s funny is that only Aramis Ramirez has provided more offense than Reed Johnson. Ramirez had 18.9 batting runs entering tonight, Reed was at 12.3 and then Carlos Pena way behind him at 8.1.

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    161. 163 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Reed has 3 bb’s in 185 at bats with a .935 OPS (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote]He has a 15:1 K:BB (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    162. 164 mb21 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I mean yea probably not this high but i see no reason why he cant continue to keep killing lefties like he has done the past few years[/quote]Agreed.

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    163. 165 Rice Cube says:

      Jonny Venters with his Marmol impression.

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    164. 166 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]Reed has been hit by a pitch 9 times this year. Dude just doesn’t get out of the way of pitches. What’s funny is that only Aramis Ramirez has provided more offense than Reed Johnson. Ramirez had 18.9 batting runs entering tonight, Reed was at 12.3 and then Carlos Pena way behind him at 8.1.[/quote]It’s definitely one of the most bizarre seasons I’ve ever seen. It’s like he’s doing all the wrong things and getting perfect results in spite of himself. (dying laughing)

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    165. 167 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I mean yea probably not this high but i see no reason why he cant continue to keep killing lefties like he has done the past few years[/quote]Sure, but how much you wanna pay a guy to be the light side of a platoon?

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    166. 168 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Sure, but how much you wanna pay a guy to be the light side of a platoon?[/quote]If Colvin is the other side, you get the total package pretty cheaply, right?

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    167. 169 bubblesdachimp says:

      2-3 million for a guy who can play all three of positions and is a lefty masher?

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    168. 170 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=josh]If Colvin is the other side, you get the total package pretty cheaply, right?[/quote]
      Colvin (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) I mean i want him to be good but he just cant make contact

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    169. 171 Rice Cube says:

      FYI…MLB.com has put up elimination numbers on their standings page. Cubs’ elimination number is 16 as of right now.

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    170. 172 bubblesdachimp says:

      .434 BABIP for Reed .196 ISO.
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      I am not a stat guy so i dont know if this is true but i assume a higher ISO will almost guaranteeily lead to a higher BABIP?

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    171. 173 bubblesdachimp says:

      I really think the braves could win the world series

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    172. 174 binky says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Colvin (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) I mean i want him to be good but he just cant make contact[/quote]He’ll bounce back……or something.

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    173. 175 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]2-3 million for a guy who can play all three of positions and is a lefty masher?[/quote]I will drive to Chicago and nutpunch Ricketts myself if they give Reed 3 mil. (dying laughing)

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    174. 176 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]If Colvin is the other side, you get the total package pretty cheaply, right?[/quote]If by total package you mean less than 30 walks and close to 200 K, the yes. (dying laughing)

      But seriously, I think Colvin has played himself out of chances. He has tremendous power, but almost no on-base skills.

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    175. 177 mb21 says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]2-3 million for a guy who can play all three of positions and is a lefty masher?[/quote]I wouldn’t pay him more than $4 million, but he’s probably worth that much if not a little more. I doubt he gets an offer that high so there’s no reason not to bring him back for 2-3 if that’s what it takes. If Brett Jackson is going to play next season you better have someone who can give him a break against lefties if he sucks against them, which he just might.

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    176. 179 mb21 says:

      $3 million is just paying him for two-thirds of a win. If used properly he’s probably worth 1 WAR and close to $4-5 million.

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    177. 180 bubblesdachimp says:

      I see no reason not to offer Reed 2-3 million next year.. No reason at all.

      I am shocked a team like Philly didnt have someone to offer us to pair him with Ibanez.

      Reed has been fucking awesome this year. No way around it

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    178. 181 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]$3 million is just paying him for two-thirds of a win. If used properly he’s probably worth 1 WAR and close to $4-5 million.[/quote]He was worth .3 and .4 wins the two seasons previous to this bizarre outlier of a year. I think he’s a lot more likely to return to that kind of play, especially given his unsustainable peripherals, than he is to produce anything like he has this season. I say 2 mil, tops.

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    179. 182 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Manly home run:

      http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18332265/quote
      damn he murdered that

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    180. 183 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rumor via CBS that Tebow may get cut. (dying laughing)

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    181. 184 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I see no reason not to offer Reed 2-3 million next year.. No reason at all.

      I am shocked a team like Philly didnt have someone to offer us to pair him with Ibanez.

      Reed has been fucking awesome this year. No way around it[/quote]Yeah, he’s been good, but there’s nothing in his numbers this year (his career numbers vs. LHP are admittedly solid) to suggest this year is any way, shape or form anything more than an outlier. If the Cubs bring him back, it should be cheap and they need to be very strategic with how they use him.

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    182. 185 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Manly home run:

      http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18332265/quoteIs Alvin wearing a batting helmet in that shot?

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    183. 186 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Rumor via CBS that Tebow may get cut. (dying laughing)[/quote]
      Is it citing merril hodge?

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    184. 187 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Is it citing merril hodge?[/quote]I believe he works for ESPN or NFLN, not CBS. And Hoge has been spot-on about Tebow since day 1.

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    185. 188 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Is Alvin wearing a batting helmet in that shot?[/quote]
      Can’t tell, I couldn’t locate the bologna sandwich guy.

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    186. 189 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The Tebow report is from “league sources” reported by Mike Freeman, who, FWIW, says he doesn’t believe they will cut him, but will instead try and trade him.

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    187. 190 bubblesdachimp says:

      I am not a tebow fan. Think he will suck. Wouldnt be surprised if he was moved to TE within a year or so..

      I cant believe they used a first rounder on him..

      Much dumber than the raiders using a third on TP..

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    188. 191 ACT says:

      Wow. Zips RoS projection has Reed Johnson putting up a .300/.352/.440 line.

      Reed’s been so awesome this year, he broke the projection system.

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    189. 192 ACT says:

      Zips thinks Reed can put up a .368 BABIP from now on.

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    190. 193 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=ACT]Zips thinks Reed can put up a .368 BABIP from now on.[/quote](dying laughing), Reed better go to Vegas.

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    191. 194 Rice Cube says:

      http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18339525

      That’s one way to end a ball game.

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    192. 195 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]
      That’s one way to end a ball game.[/quote]Correct.

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    193. 196 Alvin says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Is Alvin wearing a batting helmet in that shot?[/quote]

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    194. 198 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      “This is the time of year where people are tired and you can go out and just win games on hustle and determination alone,” said losing pitcher Ryan Dempster.

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    195. 199 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder][/quote]Pujols and Barney. Same guy if Barney shows a little hustle. I just wish I could somehow teach Barney how fun it could be to hit like Albert Pujols.

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    196. 200 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]Pujols and Barney. Same guy if Barney shows a little hustle. I just wish I could somehow teach Barney how fun it could be to hit like Albert Pujols.[/quote]It’s just nice to know that the real problems for the Cub team are the lack of fun, hustle, determination and attentiveness, and not a roster full of mediocre, expensive, and/or aging players.

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    197. 201 Mish says:

      BP now has Player Compensation pages:

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14836

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    198. 202 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Alvin][/quote]Maybe. It looked rather shiny on the feed I saw last night.

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    199. 203 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I am not a tebow fan. Think he will suck. Wouldnt be surprised if he was moved to TE within a year or so..

      I cant believe they used a first rounder on him..

      Much dumber than the raiders using a third on TP..[/quote]
      And, DEN traded UP for him.

      I really think Josh McDaniels knew he was going to be fired when he made that move.

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    200. 204 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]And, DEN traded UP for him.

      I really think Josh McDaniels knew he was going to be fired when he made that move.[/quote]
      Kevin Millar told him what day his firing would occur during training camp the previous year.

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    201. 205 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, he’s been good, but there’s nothing in his numbers this year (his career numbers vs. LHP are admittedly solid) to suggest this year is any way, shape or form anything more than an outlier. If the Cubs bring him back, it should be cheap and they need to be very strategic with how they use him.[/quote]It’s an outlier, but we can’t ignore it and focus instead on the last 2 seasons while then ignoring the previous season. If we do that, we’ve decided to evaluate Reed Johnson at his worst rather that somewhere in between his worst and best. He’s obviously not going to have a .406 wOBA, but if he was paid to hit that well he’d be getting $20 milion per year over at least 5 years. Even if we settled on .5 wins, that’s $2.4 million and there’s no reason to think he won’t be worth more than .5 WAR.

      I won’t have a problem with a $3 million contract, but wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more elsewhere.

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    202. 206 Berselius says:

      I’d be fairly surprised if he gets more than 3 million, mb. I like Reed for what he is, a player who can hit lefties and play all three OF positions. But he’s also a billion years old and has back problems.

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    203. 207 ACT says:

      Aramis 2010: 507 PA, 25 HR, 61 R, 83 RBI
      Aramis 2011: 504 PA, 24 HR, 63 R, 81 RBI

      Consistency!

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    204. 208 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Berselius]I’d be fairly surprised if he gets more than 3 million, mb. I like Reed for what he is, a player who can hit lefties and play all three OF positions. But he’s also a billion years old and has back problems.[/quote]Nady got $3 million coming off major arm surgery and his only value was that he could hit lefties. Nady ws also a corner outfielder and 1st baseman. Reed can at least play all 3 outfield spots.

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    205. 209 Berselius says:

      [quote name=mb21]Nady got $3 million coming off major arm surgery and his only value was that he could hit lefties. Nady ws also a corner outfielder and 1st baseman. Reed can at least play all 3 outfield spots.[/quote]
      Reed Johnson is only being paid $900k this year.

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    206. 210 ACT says:

      Nady had a .374 wOBA in a full season in 2008.

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    207. 211 ACT says:

      Nady also has a pretty small career platoon split.

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    208. 212 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Reed Johnson is only being paid $900k this year.[/quote]I’m not sure his currently salary matters that much, but ACT’s comment about how good Nady was over a full season makes it less likely he’ll get more than $3 million.

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    209. 213 mb21 says:

      Nady was with the Cubs in 2010, right? He was injured all of 2009.

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    210. 214 ACT says:

      Yup. TJ surgery.

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    211. 215 mb21 says:

      [quote name=ACT]Nady also has a pretty small career platoon split.[/quote]That’s because of how bad he’s been over the last couple years. I’ll have to look for an article on ACB, but I remember his splits being rather extreme at the time.

      Here’s what Nady was projected to be worth entering 2010: http://anothercubsblog.net/chicago-cubs/projections/2010-cubs-xavier-nady.html

      Over about 250 PA he was projected to be worth .7 WAR and got $3.3 million plus $2 million in incentives.

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    212. 216 Berselius says:

      [quote name=mb21]I’m not sure his currently salary matters that much, but ACT’s comment about how good Nady was over a full season makes it less likely he’ll get more than $3 million.[/quote]
      I’m just trying to say that his salary this year is more indicative of what mlb GMs are likely to value him as. He’s having a good year which should net him more than that, but not much more.

      The Cubs signed him for $3m in 2009, following his 1.6 WAR 2008 season, then his next two contracts were 800k and 900k. Like Nady he does have one decent season under his belt as a regular (2006), but that was a while ago.

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    213. 217 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      http://stripehype.com/2011/08/22/bengals-trade-for-taylor-mays/

      The rumored compensation for Taylor Mays is a 4th that could be bumped to a 3rd if Mays plays 80 percent of defensive snaps.

      So it’ll be a 4th. (dying laughing)

      That’s a lot better than I expected, but it’s still ridiculous return for a guy drafted in the second round last year.

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    214. 218 Berselius says:

      Everyone was pointing to Nady’s 2008 season as a sign that he could suddenly hit RHP. Not so much (dying laughing).

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    215. 219 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Berselius]I’m just trying to say that his salary this year is more indicative of what mlb GMs are likely to value him as. He’s having a good year which should net him more than that, but not much more.

      The Cubs signed him for $3m in 2009, following his 1.6 WAR 2008 season, then his next two contracts were 800k and 900k. Like Nady he does have one decent season under his belt as a regular (2006), but that was a while ago.[/quote]Pretty sure that was arbitration in 2009, b.

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    216. 220 mb21 says:

      Yeah, his 2009 contract was his 3rd year of arbitration and it included incentives. Johnson was injured much of the season and wasn’t good when he played.

      It doesn’t really matter. It’s not like I think he’s going to get a lot more than $3 million, but I do think some team will offer a bit more. I also think if the Cubs offer something decent he’ll stick around. Depending on what direction the Cubs go, I could see the Cubs re-signing him for $2.5 to $3 million.

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    217. 221 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Everyone was pointing to Nady’s 2008 season as a sign that he could suddenly hit RHP. Not so much (dying laughing).[/quote](dying laughing) I don’t remember that. I remember thinking he shouldn’t play against righties and if he was healhty he’d probably be worth his contract because of how well he had hit lefties.

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    218. 222 WaLi says:

      [quote name=ACT]Aramis 2010: 507 PA, 25 HR, 61 R, 83 RBI
      Aramis 2011: 504 PA, 24 HR, 63 R, 81 RBI

      Consistently Lazy ![/quote].

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    219. 223 WaLi says:

      So I am getting transferred to Southport, NC 9/6 and working on closing on a house by then. Just received the signed contract from the seller (bank since it’s a foreclosure) yesterday morning which was exciting and then checked the weather and saw a fucking hurricane that is the “Strongest to strike the Carolinas since 1996″ is beelining right for Southport. FML.

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    220. 224 Berselius says:

      Cashner is starting for the Smokies tonight. I thought he was getting bullpenned?

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    221. 225 Mish says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Cashner is starting for the Smokies tonight. I thought he was getting bullpenned?[/quote]
      He has to pass the starting test to go into the bullpen.

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    222. 226 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      But he has to pass the bullpen test before he can start.

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    223. 227 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]But he has to pass the bullpen test before he can start.[/quote]

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    224. 228 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Cashner is starting for the Smokies tonight. I thought he was getting bullpenned?[/quote]Not until he gets to the majors, apparently. It’s A Way of Life.

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    225. 229 mb21 says:

      I assume he’s starting so they can make sure he gets his pitches in. I’d guess a couple innings tonight.

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    226. 230 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]I assume he’s starting so they can make sure he gets his pitches in. I’d guess a couple innings tonight.[/quote]Yeah, and to build up arm strength as quickly as possible. He’s supposed to be back with the club in a week or two.

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    227. 231 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rogers:

      I’d say it’s better than 50-50, maybe even 75-25, that Sandberg is the new manager. And, by the way, that would have also been the case had Tom Rickettsbeen willing to change his organizational structure to create a spot between him and the GM for Pat Gillick.

      Gillick, now a special advisor to Phillies’ GM Ruben Amaro Jr., vetted Sandberg before the Phillies hired him to manage Triple-A Lehigh Valley last November. He came away highly impressed in the work that Sandberg had done in his four seasons as a minor-league manager with the Cubs, and his handling of players like John Mayberry Jr., Vance Worley, Domonic Brown (he’s improved his strikeout-walk ratio, if little else) and Phillippe Aumont has added to Gillick’s level of respect. Ditto the attention-to-detail approach that has contributed to the IronPigs’ 73-57 record.

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    228. 232 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    229. 234 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Berselius]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/sha/2553079532.html[/quote]I think you can find someone better than that to share your apartment, b.

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    230. 235 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    231. 237 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]A shitty way to almost miss your at-bat:

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/angel-pagan-almost-misses-an-at-bat-while-on-the-john//quote
      If that story is about anything but a hitter buttsexing a groupie right before their turn in the order, I’m going to be very disappointed in you, RC.

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    232. 238 binky says:

      I don’t get why Matt Holliday had to come out of the game when the moth flew into his ear. Could he not paw it out? It’s cool that the moth survived, but moths aren’t exactly on the threatened and endangered species list (well, most of them, anyway).

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    233. 239 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]If that story is about anything but a hitter buttsexing a groupie right before their turn in the order, I’m going to be very disappointed in you, RC.[/quote]
      I am dishonored.

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    234. 240 Mish says:

      BP with an article on Starlin’s “focus” ($$$)

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14845

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    235. 241 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      Uggla on his Waveland Ave. street shot: “If I keep in the park, Barney is going to catch it and get me out somewhere.”

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    236. 242 ZappBrannigan says:

      [quote name=Mish]BP with an article on Starlin’s “focus” ($$$)

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14845/quote
      Can you paraphrase it for those of us without a subscription?

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    237. 243 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      While making the rounds in the clubhouse before Saturday’s game, first-round draft pick Javier Baez was asked what he knew about the Cubs.

      “Nothing,” he replied.

      That soon may be resolved. Chairman Tom Ricketts said Friday the team is giving new prospects a book recounting Cubs’ history in an effort to change the “culture.”

      “I see a lot of things we can do to reinforce the consistency of a Cubs’ message, from Day One until they get to Wrigley Field,” Ricketts said. “One of the things we did this year was to create a little book on Cubs history because we realize most of the young men we drafted don’t know anything about the Cubs except they hadn’t won the World Series in a while.

      “We wanted to reinforce the pride and the tradition and the respect they should have, and how fortunate they should be to be in the Cubs organization.”

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    238. 244 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      “We wanted to reinforce the pride and the tradition and the respect they should have, and how fortunate they should be to be in the Cubs organization.”

      Because baseball players should be self-loathing or CHC’s only drafting suicidal players?

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    239. 245 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Mish]BP with an article on Starlin’s “focus” ($$$)

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14845/quoteGood article.

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    240. 246 mb21 says:

      [quote name=ZappBrannigan]Can you paraphrase it for those of us without a subscription?[/quote]Castro was way out of line, Quade wasn’t paying attention and if he was, he’d have taken action immediately. Castro isn’t yet Derek Jeter (always nice to compare a 21 year old to a future Hall of Famer). The finer points of the game elude Castro.

      That’s basically it. It was actually a good article and I don’t disagree with much of it.

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    241. 247 mb21 says:

      Castro was way out of line. Quade obviously wasn’t paying attention because you rarely see a player do something like that and not be punished immediately. Castro obviously isn’t Jeter and probably never will be. Odds of that are slim to none. No reason to bring Jeter up in my opinion. Defense, taking walks and apparently paying attention are issues with Castro.

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    242. 248 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      FYI: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/08/23/big-cigar-with-some-realignment-news/

      Notre Dame and BYU might go to the Big 12-2-1 if aggy goes to the SEC.

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    243. 249 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=mb21]Castro was way out of line. Quade obviously wasn’t paying attention because you rarely see a player do something like that and not be punished immediately.[/quote]

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    244. 250 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=mb21]Castro was way out of line. Quade obviously wasn’t paying attention because you rarely see a player do something like that and not be punished immediately. Castro obviously isn’t Jeter and probably never will be. Odds of that are slim to none. No reason to bring Jeter up in my opinion. Defense, taking walks and apparently paying attention are issues with Castro.[/quote]
      I imagine one of his teammates would’ve yelled at him if they weren’t so focused on the pitch that was underway.

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    245. 251 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I imagine one of his teammates would’ve yelled at him if they weren’t so focused on the pitch that was underway.[/quote]Castro told reporters that Soriano got on him after the game.

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    246. 252 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Castro told reporters that Soriano got on him after the game.[/quote]
      Right, I meant that they didn’t see it until after the game so they couldn’t exactly have yelled at him then, although Soriano has a pretty good line of sight on Castro and probably would’ve been thinking “WTF” as Russell delivered the pitch and Castro continued to be in la-la-land.

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    247. 253 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Castro told reporters that Soriano got on him after the game when they went out clubbing together and banging chicks and being lazy.[/quote].

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    248. 254 binky says:

      The Cubs drama continues.

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    249. 255 binky says:

      This will cost Q his job. Or anyway, he just made it easier to fire him, if it wasn’t already easy enough.

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    250. 256 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]The Cubs drama continues.[/quote]They obviously haven’t read Ricketts’ pamphlet.

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    251. 257 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]They obviously haven’t read Ricketts’ pamphlet.[/quote]Baez was probably just trying to be polite. “That you guys have sucked really hard for a long time and that ownership has constantly bilked the fans, who sit there and take it. Also, Sammy Sosa.” would have been a rude answer.

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    252. 258 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]This will cost Q his job. Or anyway, he just made it easier to fire him, if it wasn’t already easy enough.[/quote]
      He’ll probably stick around until the end of the season unless they really want to see what Pat Listach can do.

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    253. 259 ACT says:

      Now Neyer has weighed in on Castro. Who’s next? http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/23/2378926/starlin-castro-benched-cubs-roster-news

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    254. 260 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=ACT]Now Neyer has weighed in on Castro. Who’s next? http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/23/2378926/starlin-castro-benched-cubs-roster-news/quoteBaseball writers love an excuse to wring their hands.

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    255. 261 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]They obviously haven’t read Ricketts’ tract[/quote].

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    256. 262 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]He’ll probably stick around until the end of the season unless they really want to see what Pat Listach can do.[/quote]It’s not like it’s going to make a difference either way,but it would give them a convenient excuse.

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    257. 263 Steve Swisher says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Baseball writers love an excuse to wring their hands.[/quote]
      I would have gone with “clutch their pearls,” but to each his own.

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    258. 264 Mish says:

      KG

      Zeke DeVoss, OF, Cubs (Short-season Boise): 4-for-6, 2B, R, RBI, K, SB, CS. Third-rounder is plus-plus runner with excellent approach; .293/.463/.359 in 27 games.

      Brett Jackson, OF, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa): 2-for-4, 2B, 2 R RBI, K, SB. Hitting .313/.390/.576 in 37 games, but also has whiffed 20 times in his last 10; .440 BABIP might be a concern.

      Josh Vitters, 3B, Cubs (Double-A Tennessee): 3-for-3, R, 2B. Hitting .338 in 20 August games and .287/.323/.446 overall.

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    259. 265 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Baseball writers love an excuse to wring their hands.[/quote]No, this is the end of the team. If the team doesn’t win the WS this year, Castro’s fault.

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    260. 266 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius].[/quote]One of us. One of us. One of us.

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    261. 267 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I would expect DeVoss to progress in the same way as Szcurzururururur has, i.e. once he finds his level, those numbers will drop off.

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    262. 268 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I would expect DeVoss to progress in the same way as Szcurzururururur has, i.e. once he finds his level, those numbers will drop off.[/quote]Don’t you like anything?

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    263. 269 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Don’t you like anything?[/quote]Beer, smoked meats, Salma Hayek.

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    264. 270 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The encouraging thing about DeVoss is that he takes his walks. But every scouting report on him reads (dying laughing). And is he an IF or an OF? I know he played mainly corner OF at Miami, but also some 2B and CF, and I’ve seen him listed as both as a part of the Cubs system.

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    265. 271 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?

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    266. 272 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?[/quote]
      Andrew Friedman, please.

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    267. 274 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?[/quote]Hand Tom a ball bat and subtly suggest he use it on Crane.

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    268. 275 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Andrew Friedman, please.[/quote]Ok, this one is better than mine.

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    269. 276 binky says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?[/quote]MAKE BASEBALL BETTER!!

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    270. 277 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?[/quote]Ask them to clarify who really does own the Cubs.

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    271. 278 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Ok, this one is better than mine.[/quote]Yeah if they’re in sight of your printer, just start printing out dozens of pictures of him.

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    272. 279 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Yeah if they’re in sight of your printer, just start printing out dozens of pictures of him.[/quote](dying laughing)

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    273. 280 Aisle424 says:

      Ask him when the next $10 bleacher sale will be.

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    274. 281 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Beer, smoked meats, Salma Hayek.[/quote]
      Have you done a brisket yet?

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    275. 282 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Ask them to clarify who really does own the Cubs.[/quote]
      This. Or ask them to describe a misting station in great detail.

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    276. 283 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]This. Or ask them to describe a misting station in great detail.[/quote]Is that like requesting the particulars of a misting station?

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    277. 284 Jdo45 says:

      Those are all great. Im thinking about asking him what Laura looks like naked.

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    278. 285 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Jdo45]Those are all great. Im thinking about asking him what Laura looks like naked.[/quote]Why? Does she own the Cubs?

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    279. 286 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      ask them to put Todd on TV more – that hot dog in the trash bit was gold

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    280. 287 binky says:

      [quote name=Jdo45]Those are all great. Im thinking about asking him what Laura looks like naked.[/quote]Face. Face all the way down.

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    281. 288 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]Have you done a brisket yet?[/quote]I did a competition where we smoked 7. but I haven’t done one on my current grill, which is just now get a nice coating on the lid. I did a couple at home on my old grill before some hype decided he needed it more than me. (dying laughing)

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    282. 289 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Namedropping here….

      Crane Kenney and Tom Ricketts are sitting in my office right now. About 30 feet from me. Anything I should try to tell them before they leave?[/quote]

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    283. 290 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I did a competition where we smoked 7. but I haven’t done one on my current grill, which is just now get a nice coating on the lid. I did a couple at home on my old grill before some hype decided he needed it more than me. (dying laughing)[/quote]
      I’m going to start trying some meat that you don’t traditionally smoke. Like smoking a filet for 30 minutes or so on a low temp and then putting a quick sear on each side.

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    284. 291 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      [quote name=Jdo45]Those are all great. Im thinking about asking him what Laura looks like naked.[/quote]
      That was my pseudonym. Too lazy to sign in from my phone.

      They were actually here to ask for assistance in strategizing on the Wrigley funding plan.

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    285. 292 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I’m going to start trying some meat that you don’t traditionally smoke. Like smoking a filet for 30 minutes or so on a low temp and then putting a quick sear on each side.[/quote]Filet will be tough, because there’s not a lot of intramuscular fat, but a rib roast would be interesting. Leg of lamb, too.

      I smoked a salmon filet last month. Kind of pain because you have to keep the temp real low, but very tasty.

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    286. 293 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]That was my pseudonym. Too lazy to sign in from my phone.

      They were actually here to ask for assistance in strategizing on the Wrigley funding plan.[/quote]Step 1: Tell pulpit-pounding Tea Party leading father to clam up.

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    287. 294 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    288. 295 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Filet will be tough, because there’s not a lot of intramuscular fat, but a rib roast would be interesting. Leg of lamb, too.

      I smoked a salmon filet last month. Kind of pain because you have to keep the temp real low, but very tasty.[/quote]
      A rib roast would basically be prime rib, but you’d do it backward. smoke it at 300 degrees or so for probably about 90 minutes and then put a quick sear at the end.

      Doing a filet would be a lot like doing poultry. It would be more about the flavor than the cooking, though I bet you could smoke it to rare at 350 or so and then finish it in a castiron skillet to medium rare.

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    289. 296 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]A rib roast would basically be prime rim, but you’d do it backward. smoke it at 300 degrees or so for probably about 90 minutes and then put a quick sear at the end.

      Doing a filet would be a lot like doing poultry. It would be more about the flavor than the cooking, though I bet you could smoke it to rare at 350 or so and then finish it in a castiron skillet to medium rare.[/quote]
      Well, that’s doing filet backwards, too. I usually sear, then in a 350 deg. oven to temp.

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    290. 297 binky says:

      D’Backs traded Kelly Johnson. I guess he wasn’t having a great year. Surprising, given how good he was last year.

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    291. 298 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      Russell (Iowa)

      Any chance of Bob Brenley becoming Manager next year?
      Bruce Levine (1:10 PM)

      Not sure. Bob is a very good baseball man. But he didn’t really get a lot of interest from teams last year for some reason. However Steve Stone is available. He’s a very bright baseball guy and has been interested in seemingly every Cubs job that has come open.

      Ruh Roh

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    292. 299 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rays beat guy being interviewed by 670 The Score about Friedman. He thinks Friedman is not leaving.

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    293. 300 WaLi says:

      The last two posts made me cry :(

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    294. 301 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Ruh Roh[/quote]Stone said last week on The Score the he is not interested in the GM job and would decline to even be involved in the conversation, but he did not exclude himself from another FO position if it were offered.

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    295. 302 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The day Bob Brenly is hired as field manager is my last day as a Cub fan.

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    296. 303 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Rays beat guy being interviewed by 670 The Score about Friedman. He thinks Friedman is not leaving.[/quote]Yeah, well, our beat guys reported Hendry was going to be GM through next year.

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    297. 304 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Wandy Rodriguez ————-> claimed off waivers, team unknown

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    298. 305 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Well, that’s doing filet backwards, too. I usually sear, then in a 350 deg. oven to temp.[/quote]
      That’s the traditional way, but I can’t see the result being that different if you did it backward. The “searing to keep in the juices” thing is a myth. You sear for the crust, so I can’t see why you can’t do that after.

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    299. 306 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]That’s the traditional way, but I can’t see the result being that different if you did it backward. The “searing to keep in the juices” thing is a myth. You sear for the crust, so I can’t see why you can’t do that after.[/quote]Yeah, it should work as long as the smoking environment is moist enough to keep the filet from rendering its juices.

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    300. 307 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah, it should work as long as the smoking environment is moist enough to keep the filet from rendering its juices.[/quote]
      I have a water pan. I’d probably try it with a few samples, so I might inject a couple of them.

      I smoked a few burgers last weekend and they turned out awesome. Sauteed some bacon, onions and jalapenos and mixed that in with the meat before I smoked them. I might never do it another way again.

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    301. 308 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      We smoked bacon in the morning for the bbq comp. Amazing.

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    302. 309 Alvin says:

      Any east coast dudes feel anything?

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    303. 310 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Wandy Rodriguez ————-> claimed off waivers, team unknown[/quote]Rockies

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    304. 311 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Lopez, Soriano ———-> cleared waivers

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    305. 312 Mish says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Rays beat guy being interviewed by 670 The Score about Friedman. He thinks Friedman is not leaving.[/quote]
      That was my gut reaction initially, well before we knew Hendry was gone. I agree with mb’s and others points about moving on and the reasons to do so, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he stays. In fact I still expect him to.

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    306. 313 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]We smoked bacon in the morning for the bbq comp. Amazing.[/quote]
      Did you smoke pork belly or bacon?