Players vote in Starlin Castro and Bryan LaHair as all-stars

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Starlin Castro and Bryan LaHair will represent the Cubs as All Stars this year. Both players were voted in by the players.

Link: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120701&content_id=34263550&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

I’ll have more on this later.

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  1. mb21

    SK, LaHair is 3rd in the NL in wOBA among 1st basemen. I thought he had a better chance than Castro. Castro is 7th at SS. Bad choice to be honest.

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  2. Suburban kid

    LaHair has been good but he has not been an everyday player. That’s why I was surprised about him. I would have just picked Dempster if it were up to me, but I’m not surprised to see Castro.

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  3. bubblesdachimp

    Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat
    Both Castro and LaHair can thank their peers. Castro was 1st among NL SS & LaHair 2nd to #Reds Votto in player ballots. #Cubs

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  4. Rizzo the Rat

    @ mb21:
    LaHair had limited playing time and his numbers are skewed due to facing righties. Castro has been far more valuable overall.

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  5. Rizzo the Rat

    @ Suburban kid:
    Dempster couldn’t pitch, of course, but at least they’d get a compensation pick, as well as the benefit of not having any Cubs on the roster. Castro is a defensible choice, in my opinion. Depending on how improved you think his defense has been, he’s arguably been one of the better SS’s in the league this year.

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  6. Rizzo the Rat

    LaHair is mostly in because of how shallow the 1B position is in the league after Votto. And just 2 years ago, Votto barely made the ASG at all.

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  7. mb21

    @ Rizzo the Rat:
    Value is meaningless for this game. If you select based on value you’ll have a lot of outfielders. Not to mention that for one game defense and base running are silly to include. Would you even consider leaving Fielder out because he sucks at defense and base running? The best hitters at each position should go. I don’t watch the game but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t turn it on to see the fielders and base runners. Neither do the fans. That’s why the home run derby gets so many people excited. Pretty sure nobody will tune into a fielding or base running derby. The should try that though.

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  8. Rizzo the Rat

    LaHair and Castro are tied in oWAR. I think we can agree LaHair is a subpar defender (even for 1B). I don’t know how much Castro has improved this year, but all the metrics have sure come around on him.

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  9. Rizzo the Rat

    @ mb21:
    So, you’re calling it a bad decision based on your own criteria (which aren’t widely accepted)? I guess that’s OK, but don’t expect many others to be convinced. Most people do want the best players,and they do like baserunning and defense (see Smith, Ozzie). I also find it odd to say, “I don’t watch the game, but if I did, this is what I’d like to see.”

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  10. Rizzo the Rat

    @ mb21:
    Did you take positional adjustment into account? He’s been worth about 10 runs less before positional adjustments.

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  11. mb21

    @ Rizzo the Rat:
    They want the best hitters. I don’t think Cubs fans are going to tune into this game to watch the one ball Castro fields or the possibility of him running the bases. The fans keep voting in Derek Jeter for Christ’s sake. It ain’t to watch to ground balls going pasta diving Jeter. I don’t think so. Maybe they just want to hear Buck say it.

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  12. Rizzo the Rat

    @ mb21:
    They vote in Jeter because he’s a popular player. Just as they voted for Ozzie’s unremarkable bat and Ripken’s declining bat. Castro is arguably the most popular Cub now, and certainly more popular than LaHair.

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  13. mb21

    @ Rizzo the Rat:
    No, because that’s not part of hitting. That’s part of value. If I want to know who the better hitter is i look at wOBA, wRC+, or batting runs. If you need offense, who do you use to pinch hit: the guy with the higher oWAR or the better hitter?

    oWAR shouldn’t include positional adjustment because nobody would consider the player’s defensive position as part of his offense. It’s important for overall value, but not to the player’s offense.

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  14. Rizzo the Rat

    mb21 wrote:

    oWAR shouldn’t include positional adjustment because nobody would consider the player’s defensive position as part of his offense.

    oWAR just needs to change the name. Otherwise, it’s fine. We already have a million LWTS-based measures for offense. Also, for the ASG, you need players at each position, and I think choosing LaHair over Goldshmidt was far worse than choosing Castro over Lowrie. Especially since Castro can be used to pinch-run and stuff. You know, like last year when he pinch-ran and swiped 2 bases.

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  15. mb21

    @ Rizzo the Rat:
    I agree but I’m not really surei see the point in combining positional adjustment with batting stats unless you also include defense and base running. Why not just have defense (dWAR if we need it), offense being oWAR and then some other WAR for the necessary adjustments? If I want to know someone’s batting WAR I definitely don’t want position taken into account. I’d rather just compare some type of batting runs, but including position makes it confusing to others. Just my 2 cents.

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  16. Rizzo the Rat

    mb21 wrote:

    I agree but I’m not really surei see the point in combining positional adjustment with batting stats unless you also include defense and base running.

    Because it estimates what the player’s bat is actually worth relative to the position. Also, it’s a way of estimating a player’s value while being agnostic about defensive metrics (hence, Barney is not worth 3.4 wins halfway through the season). Also, it does include base running.

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  17. josh

    Anyone know what time the Cubs game starts?

    Wait a sec! I just put a noun next to another noun creating an adjective!! Dear God I adjectivized a noun!

    Language is ruined! Cancel language!

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  18. Rizzo the Rat

    josh wrote:

    Anyone know what time the Cubs game starts?

    Carrie Muskat said 2:15 40 minutes ago.They’re singing the national anthem now.

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  19. Rice Cube

    I understand that it’s his choice but I’m kind of confused as to why Carlos Lee wouldn’t just go to LA for a couple months instead of sticking around in Houston. I guess when you have millions of dollars though you can do whatever you want.

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  20. josh

    @ Rice Cube:
    The Angels have a pretty big hurdle of Texas. Maybe he figured they didn’t have much of a chance of getting to the post-season. Without that, it’s pretty much all negative for him.

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  21. Suburban kid

    @ josh:
    Pat has been developing a theory as to why people are called redheads, even though nobody really has red hair. He thinks their hair is more of an orange color, which makes it odd that they are called redheads. His theory is that the reason for this is that it’s just easier to say “redhead” than “orangehead”. Red is a short word, and orange is longer. And, it doesn’t rhyme with head. Are you with me?

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  22. BubbaBiscuit

    A real RBI guy comes in with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs and hits a sac fly, none of this ground ball single shit. Rizzo needs to learn the unwritten rules and fast, savior my ass.

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  23. Suburban kid

    OK statsdudez, Keith Moreland believes that the difference between a good hitting and good fielding pitcher and a bad hitting and bad fielding pitcher is two pitcher wins.

    A) Is he out of his mind?
    B) or is it pointless because pitcher wins are stupid?

    Keith Moreland also says mennally, Wanday, and left fill, center fill, etc.

    /i still like Keith

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  24. mb21

    @ Suburban kid:
    A win is generally a difference in 10 runs. In other words, say a player is worth 50 batting runs, we might say he provided 5 wins. Obviously replacement level matters, but ignoring that for a moment, to add two additional wins the pitcher would have to be better by 20 runs or his defense would have to be about -20 in 30 or so starts. So yeah, Moreland is nuts.

    As far as pitcher wins themselves, I don’t have any idea. They are useless, but I cannot imagine that a bad fielding pitcher costs himself 2 wins. He just doesn’t play enough to have that much impact.

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  25. mb21

    My wild-ass guess is that a bad hitting pitcher is worth about -2 to -3 runs compared to the average hitting pitcher and probably about the same for fielding.

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  26. Suburban kid

    @ mb21:
    I think Keith was making a point about Wood, who is known to be a good hitting pitcher and showed baserunning skill in today’s game. Could be he was contrasting him with Garza but he didn’t mention him.

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  27. mb21

    @ Suburban kid:
    To give you an idea, Carlos Zambrano has been worth 6.2 rWAR in his career as a batter and he’s one of the best hitting pitchers I’ve seen. That’s basically half a season per win so I would think fielding is close to the same. Maybe. So it’s possible a great hitting pitcher and great fielding pitcher is worth 1 more WAR than an average fielder and hitter. Travis Wood was worth .2 rWAR in his rookie season, -.2 last year and .2 so far this year (not including today’s game). I’m assuming replacement level hitting for a pitcher is average so overall Wood has been a bit better than average.

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  28. Rizzo the Rat

    Average OPS+ (or wRC+) is slightly less than 0 (-5 so far this year in the NL). Wells has a career 26 OPS+ and a 14 wRC+, not including today’s double, so he’s been above average (given the sample size). His minor league hitting numbers are relatively good, too: .191/.265/.292. He’s no Zambrano, but he’s probably above average.

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