Alfonso Soriano has had a very nice start to the season, so the fans that call for his head every time he makes a mistake in the field have been quieted a bit. That's about as much as anyone capable of rational, logical thought can expect from Soriano here in the beginning of the "bad part" of his mega-contract.
It seems that most fans' expectations had finally been brought down from expecting the 40/40 player that Jim Hendry John McDonough signed before the 2007 season. We realized Soriano's best days are behind him and we hope he can put out the production of a decent starter at the bottom of the lineup to negate his defensive deficiencies. As a fanbase, I think we've finally come to grips with the fact that Soriano will never be "worth" the money he makes each season.
Then here comes Gordon Wittenmyer talking about Soriano maybe hitting 50 homeruns this season and being totally serious about it.
Could this be the year Alfonso Soriano not only plays 150 games or more for the Cubs but also puts up some of the big numbers that his 40 home runs/40 stolen bases history and $136 million contract promised four years ago?
This would be like if I asked if this was the year that Gordon Wittenmyer finally became a serious beat-writer who didn't have to resort to appealing to the lowest common denominator in his writing. It just isn't fair to ask that question when the answer is most likely "No."
Of course, this is a nice change for Gordo and the rest of the media to at least be acknowledging that Soriano is doing some good things on the baseball field, but why is that not good enough? Why do we have to raise expectations on a 35-year old (at best) that is clearly in decline? Soriano's 2006 season was his best of his career and he had an OPS of .913. This year he is at .911 so far. Why would anyone even suggest he could keep this pace up for a full season at his age? It is just not fair to Soriano to raise those kind of expectations.
Hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo said he sees renewed confidence in Soriano and improved lower-half hitting mechanics that are allowing him to be in a better hitting position sooner and to see the ball longer.
Can't we just leave it at this? Can't we just have hope that Soriano, as a result of Jaramillo's work with him, might avoid some of the crippling slumps that have plagued him his whole career? Can't we surmise that Soriano seems poised to post numbers that would be an improvement on his 2010 season? Isn't that good enough? Why do we have to go and extrapolate out that he's on a 53 HR pace and seriously wonder if he can keep it up?
Sure, he might, but it isn't probable and barely plausible even taking Jaramillo's work with Soriano into account. But being reasonable and logical doesn't sell newspapers, so we'll blow this all out of proportion and when Soriano finishes with 25-30 HRs, everybody will still be down on him for not being able to keep up his early-season pace (probably after Gordo points out how his pace has slowed in a later piece).
So thanks for feeding the stupidity that our fan base gets pegged with, Gord.
[quote name=mb21]What time is the game today? Seriously. I’m too lazy to look.[/quote]
2:10
Rockies lineup today
CF Fowler
2B Herrera
LF Gonzalez
SS Tulo
1B Helton
RF Smith
3B Lopez
C Morales
P The right-handed James Russell
[quote name=Berselius]2:10[/quote]
2:10 2:10
[quote name=Berselius]288:10[/quote]
Just realized I had the time wrong (dying laughing)
(dying laughing) at the Verlander balk. That looked like something Clemens would do to Piazza.
A better question to ask would be “Is this the season where Soriano is healthy all year”, and than answer is simply “who the fuck knows”
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m going to be disappointed if Cubs produces anything less than a .335 batting average, 55 home runs and 150 RBI.
[quote name=Berselius]A better question to ask would be “Is this the season where Soriano is healthy all year”, and than answer is simply “who the fuck knows”[/quote]False. We have to jump from maybe being healthy all year to a guy in his 30s matching the best season of his career. It’s the logical thing to do, b. Everybody knows this.
[quote name=mb21]False. We have to jump from maybe being healthy all year to a guy in his 30s matching the best season of his career. It’s the logical thing to do, b. Everybody knows this.[/quote]If Soriano would just hustle, he’d hit 60 homers and steal 60 bases. Easy.
Seriously, I hope he has the kind of year he’s been having. Healthy. Decent power. Avoid prolonged embarrassing slumps. Hitting anywhere from 5th to 7th in the lineup, it would be a pretty good year for Soriano. I expect his OPS (or any rate stat) to go down fairly quickly, mostly because it’s still so early that it gets artificially inflated every time he hits a homer.
OK, the recreational league I play in makes the Keystone Kubs look like nine Ozzie Smiths in the field. But even the umps are pure fail.
Today’s performance was one of the best. It was a tight low-scoring game, very tense toward the end, when the home team had the bases loaded with two outs and the score tied at 2-2. A WAG to 2B took forever to get scooped even though the 2B was playing in, he fired to home for the force but the runner beat the throw by a step.
The ump calls You’re Out! with the out motion, the home team starts freaking out and calling for blood, while the away team — for a brief moment — can’t believe their luck.
Just when the home team was about to tackle him to the ground, he said “I called game, I called game”, meaning game over.
Everyone was like, WTF??
Then he said, “I just made the wrong motion.” (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
What makes it funnier is the ump is Italian and sounds like the spaghetti chef in the Simpsons.
Soriano could have a surprisingly good year. 50HR is obviously outrageously unreasonable though. All the same, his line drives are up, his fly balls are up and his ground balls are down. Those are all things you want coming from Soriano. I sure hope he has a good year, cause i really like him, even if he never has another good year after this again it’d be nice to see the city get behind him for one year before they finally malign him until the day he dies.
soriano is going to have the kind of year he always has.
[quote name=dylanj]soriano is going to have the kind of year he always has.[/quote]
The kind of season where hes cursed by the greatest fans in baseball?
Correct.
I want to say cubs fans liked him in 07 and 08 if I remember correctly
I remember Soriano being booed very early on in his career with the Cubs.
Tim, you should take it easy on Gordo. It can’t be easy going through life as a portly ginger with a dick the size of a peanut.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Tim, you should take it easy on Gordo. It can’t be easy going through life as a portly ginger with a dick the size of a peanut.[/quote]It’s not that difficult. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Suburban Kid]OK, the recreational league I play in makes the Keystone Kubs look like nine Ozzie Smiths in the field. But even the umps are pure fail.
Today’s performance was one of the best. It was a tight low-scoring game, very tense toward the end, when the home team had the bases loaded with two outs and the score tied at 2-2. A WAG to 2B took forever to get scooped even though the 2B was playing in, he fired to home for the force but the runner beat the throw by a step.
The ump calls You’re Out! with the out motion, the home team starts freaking out and calling for blood, while the away team — for a brief moment — can’t believe their luck.
Just when the home team was about to tackle him to the ground, he said “I called game, I called game”, meaning game over.
Everyone was like, WTF??
Then he said, “I just made the wrong motion.” (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
What makes it funnier is the ump is Italian and sounds like the spaghetti chef in the Simpsons.[/quote]
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
[/quote]I’m full of them.
[quote name=Suburban Kid]I’m full of them.[/quote]I’m down for any story that involves an umpire with a cartoonish accent.
Another day, another blown save by Ryan Franklin
Also, the Brewers are on the verge of being swept by the Nationals.
[quote name=Berselius]Also, the Brewers are on the verge of being swept by the Nationals.[/quote]
Done.
Game of Thrones? Good?
It hasn’t started yet?
Soriano is obviously a negative influence on this team in so many ways: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110417&content_id=17914024¬ebook_id=17914026&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc
Cano just hit a ball 1,200 feet.
Cubs have 5 four game series this season. 4 of them are on the road. That’s weird.
[quote name=mb21]Soriano is obviously a negative influence on this team in so many ways: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110417&content_id=17914024¬ebook_id=17914026&vkey=notebook_chc&c_id=chc/quote
Does Castro still have a guest room in Casa Soriano?
[quote name=mb21]Game of Thrones? Good?[/quote]
It should be pretty good. The books are fantastic. Hopefully having the series will help encourage the author to finish the books (dying laughing).
Darwin Barney was on the radio this morning and he mentioned that Soriano is a vet that’s always at the park early and working hard. These young guys are going to ruin Sori’s rep.
I doubt it, RC. Usually the rookies stay with a veteran for their first year and then move out. I wouldn’t want Castro living with my wife and I. No offense to Castro who I’m sure is a fantastic dude, but that’s my house and I have needs. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Berselius]It should be pretty good. The books are fantastic. Hopefully having the series will help encourage the author to finish the books (dying laughing).[/quote]It looks good. We started watching Borgias last night. We liked that show. Anyone else seen it yet?
[quote name=mb21]It looks good. We started watching Borgias last night. We liked that show. Anyone else seen it yet?[/quote]
Last night? I only watch recent shows.
[quote name=melissa]Darwin Barney was on the radio this morning and he mentioned that Soriano is a vet that’s always at the park early and working hard. These young guys are going to ruin Sori’s rep.[/quote]You’re assuming that Sully, Kap and Gordo give a shit about facts.
[quote name=Berselius]Last night? I only watch recent shows.[/quote]Like Three’s Company.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You’re assuming that Sully, Kap and Gordo give a shit about facts.[/quote]
Facts get in the way of a good story.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Facts get in the way of a good story.[/quote]You’re assuming they write good stories.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You’re assuming they write good stories.[/quote]
My sarcasm is lost on you…
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You’re assuming they write good stories.[/quote]
Correct. Their stories are neither fact laden nor are they entertaining.
(dying laughing) Good one.
[quote name=Rice Cube]My sarcasm is lost on you…[/quote]I’m grading essay exams. My sense of humor is shot to shit.
B==D~
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m grading essay exams. My sense of humor is shot to shit.[/quote]
A sad sign of our exponential times.
[quote name=Berselius]A sad sign of our exponential times.[/quote]Best line of this batch:
“Kant has similar ideas to Pausanias, except for the man to man love, of which he is not a fan.” (dying laughing)
Sorry MO.
Challenge: fit more cliches into a post then this guy:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/4/12/2105876/barney-makes-me-want-to-sing-i-love-you-you-love-me
Bonus points: find a way to create a lineup that benches two of your best sluggers for marginal talent.
The Purple Revolution. That would undoubtedly become as popular as the Killer B’s in Houston.
I have a perfect idea for what we can call the 1-2 punch. Starlin Castro and Darwin Barney. I like it. It took me awhile to come up with that too.
I think your team should at least be over .500 before you’re thinking up cute catchphrases for the 1 & 2 hitters. How about, “Not the suckiest of the suck?”
[quote name=melissa]I think your team should at least be over .500 before you’re thinking up cute catchphrases for the 1 & 2 hitters. How about, “Not the suckiest of the suck?”[/quote]
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
How about we have a catch phrase for the number 8 hitter? Something like this: shouldn’t be hitting 8th
[quote name=mb21]How about we have a catch phrase for the number 8 hitter? Something like this: shouldn’t be hitting 8th[/quote]
I like this.
Slugfest in the Big Apple.
[quote name=melissa]I think your team should at least be over .500 before you’re thinking up cute catchphrases for the 1 & 2 hitters. How about, “Not the suckiest of the suck?”[/quote]
(dying laughing)
How about “the only 2 guys you’ll ever see on base on this shitty team”
Tempted as I am, I’m not taking the bait on that BCB link. There’s just no way I read that and go to bed happy.
Well, someone had to do this, might as well be me.
recs
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Alvin even got himself 2 commas in that 1 sentence.
[quote name=AndCounting]Tempted as I am, I’m not taking the bait on that BCB link. There’s just no way I read that and go to bed happy.[/quote]I was thinking the same thing. No way. As funny as it would be, I’m not getting into it.
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Alvin even got himself 2 commas in that 1 sentence.[/quote]He’s got mad skillz.
[quote name=mb21]I was thinking the same thing. No way. As funny as it would be, I’m not getting into it.[/quote]
really i skipped all the words, but Yellon posting the big purple dinosaur almost made me cry I laughed so hard
I was gone all day, so I just want to make sure: Starlin Castro is still good at sports, right?
[quote name=AndCounting]I was gone all day, so I just want to make sure: Starlin Castro is still good at sports, right?[/quote]
Correct.
Except for that one last TOOTBLAN, but whatever.
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]Challenge: fit more cliches into a post then this guy:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/4/12/2105876/barney-makes-me-want-to-sing-i-love-you-you-love-me
Bonus points: find a way to create a lineup that benches two of your best sluggers for marginal talent.[/quote]
Fuck that shit. Excuse my French, but God fucking damn it does it piss me off when people call Soriano lazy because he doesn’t sprint when he hits a God damn pop up. It’s so God damn annoying. The guy works his ass off, every single person ever to play with him has said as much including every manager he’s had, so I don’t fucking understand why people just choose to dislike him. The fact he makes a lot of money is the answer, I mean, I know that, but it still makes no sense to just blatantly make shit up about him that is neither true and is completely baseless.
I would end this post with a string of curses if I could. I’m just so pissed reading that shot at him for no reason.
Alvin’s post is all the proof one should need for the claim that Tim is arguing in this one. The feckless fucktards that write about this team have so deeply etched into the minds of the sheeple in the fandom that Soriano is lazy that they will never disabused of the notion, despite the fact that Soriano is one of the hardest-working players on the team.
[quote name=Doogolas]The guy works his ass off[/quote]False. His ass is still very much on. Can’t miss it. (dying laughing)
I like the picture of pissed off Castro for the Cubs’ loss.
I’d like to see smiling Castro at some point in the near future.
You sons of bitches. I had to go over there and then I read this line that the guy predicted for Barney: .285/.380/.475
Does this guy even know what the second and third numbers are? Methinks not.
This is about the best picture I can find of Castro smiling:
[quote name=mb21]You sons of bitches. I had to go over there and then I read this line that the guy predicted for Barney: .285/.380/.475
Does this guy even know what the second and third numbers are? Methinks not.[/quote]
It’s amazingly close to Barney’s current line of .333/.383/.452 after today’s game. I don’t think that .333 lasts for very long though, but I don’t know how good the Padres’ pitching is for this coming series.
[quote name=AndCounting]False. His ass is still very much on. Can’t miss it. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Hahahaha. Excellent.
Seriously though, he is arguably the hardest working guy on the team. Year after year guys on the team talk about how he’s always putting in extra work and he’s a great teammate.
Everyone I’ve know who has talked to the man (me included) has sung his praises on how he is undoubtedly the nicest guy on the team.
It makes no sense that people just decide to hate him.
There’s this one from espn, but I have a feeling they’d be pissed of:
[quote name=mb21]You sons of bitches. I had to go over there and then I read this line that the guy predicted for Barney: .285/.380/.475
Does this guy even know what the second and third numbers are? Methinks not.[/quote]Barney never OPS’d over .720 in a full MiLB season, but of course he should better that by 130 points at the major league level, mb. You just don’t “get it.”
[quote name=mb21]You sons of bitches. I had to go over there and then I read this line that the guy predicted for Barney: .285/.380/.475
Does this guy even know what the second and third numbers are? Methinks not.[/quote]You caved? I’m so disappointed. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]You sons of bitches. I had to go over there and then I read this line that the guy predicted for Barney: .285/.380/.475
Does this guy even know what the second and third numbers are? Methinks not.[/quote]
Hahaha. That’s a Godawful prediction. He’s seriously predicting a near .200ISO for Barney? That’s completely insane.
Until you realize these are the same people who find the stench of stale piss and warm beer nostalgic and heartwarming.
[quote name=Doogolas]Hahaha. That’s a Godawful prediction. He’s seriously predicting a near .200ISO for Barney? That’s obviously Bob Brenly.[/quote]
/mustached
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]/mustached[/quote]
Zinger.
[quote name=Doogolas]Hahaha. That’s a Godawful prediction. He’s seriously predicting a near .200ISO for Barney? That’s completely insane.[/quote]
Hey man, it could happen. The 2011 Cubs – You Never Know™
[quote name=Berselius]Hey man, it could happen. The 2011 Cubs – You Never Know™[/quote]
Start Reed Johnson over that lazy Latin.
Let’s see what happens. It just might work.
[quote name=Doogolas]Zinger.[/quote]Seriously, they’re getting it from Johnny Cakes. He’s said at least twice that he thinks Barney can hit 15-20 HR if he “gets a chance.” Nevermind that his MiLB season high was 3.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Seriously, they’re getting it from Johnny Cakes. He’s said at least twice that he thinks Barney can hit 15-20 HR if he “gets a chance.” Nevermind that his MiLb season high was 3.[/quote]
I hope the wind keeps blowing out for Barney then.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Seriously, they’re getting it from Johnny Cakes. He’s said at least twice that he thinks Barney can hit 15-20 HR if he “gets a chance.” Nevermind that his MiLB season high was 3.[/quote]
You didn’t hear? Darwin Barney is actually the male version of Storm from X-Men, he’s just been waiting to use his powers until he got to the majors.
[quote name=Doogolas]You didn’t hear? Darwin Barney is actually the male version of Storm from X-Men, he’s just been waiting to use his powers until he got to the majors.[/quote](dying laughing)
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I honestly think a lot of fans think that about minor league numbers. Guys that were mediocre even in the minors can just “turn it on.” Granted that happens on occasion, but still…
I’ll say it right now. Darwin Barney’s odds of posting a .200 ISO are the exact same as the odds of me posting a .200 ISO at the MLB level this season in 750 plate appearances.
By the way, I’m glad Barney is starting and I’m even happier that he’s off to a great start. I’ve enjoyed watching him play. But I don’t think he’s the next Chase Utley.
[quote name=mb21]But I don’t think he’s the next Chase Utley.[/quote]
False. You can’t teach instincts.
[quote name=mb21]By the way, I’m glad Barney is starting and I’m even happier that he’s off to a great start. I’ve enjoyed watching him play. But I don’t think he’s the next Chase Utley.[/quote]Yeah, it’s nice to see, but the Brenly-led ballyhooing is a bit much.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder](dying laughing)
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I honestly think a lot of fans think that about minor league numbers. Guys that were mediocre even in the minors can just “turn it on.” Granted that happens on occasion, but still…[/quote]
And most of the guys that do are guys that were at one time or another top prospects that just sucked for a while in the minors. It’s rarely guys that just come out of nowhere.
I know it’s a small sample size thing, but I’ve been smugly laughing about Crawford’s slow start with Boston this year.
[quote name=Doogolas]And most of the guys that do are guys that were at one time or another top prospects that just sucked for a while in the minors. It’s rarely guys that just come out of nowhere.[/quote]Good point. And even then, it’s rare. It’s an odd phenomenon. Many fans will look at a guy with eye-popping MiLB numbers and most can draw the conclusion that they need to be regarded with caution due to inferior competition; but that same fan will take a look at a guy with mediocre MiLB numbers who is having a hot MLB start and disregard them as “only minor league numbers.” The cognitive dissonances entertained by the majority sports fans is fascinating to me.
[quote name=Berselius]I know it’s a small sample size thing, but I’ve been smugly laughing about Crawford’s slow start with Boston this year.[/quote]
And how Xinfinity.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Good point. And even then, it’s rare. It’s an odd phenomenon. Many fans will look at a guy with eye-popping MiLB numbers and most can draw the conclusion that they need to be regarded with caution due to inferior competition; but that same fan will take a look at a guy’s MiLB numbers who is having a hot MLB start and disregard them as “only minor league numbers.” The cognitive dissonances entertained by the majority sports fans is fascinating to me.[/quote]Agreed. Especially fascinating in that, if you call them out on it. they’ll tell you that you’re too focused on numbers and not what you see.
AKA: Logic not welcome.
[quote name=Doogolas]Agreed. Especially fascinating in that, if you call them out on it. they’ll tell you that you’re too focused on numbers and not what you see.
AKA: Logic not welcome.[/quote]Indeed. The antipathy towards any sort of intellectualized approach to sport has always bothered me.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]False. You can’t teach instincts.[/quote]
This statement is so wrong it makes my head hurt. Bob Brenly the leading expert in Neuroscience and the regulatory mechanisms underlying learning and memory. Ugh.
/Brain aneurysm
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Indeed. The antipathy towards any sort of intellectualized approach to anything has always bothered me.[/quote]
Fixed
[quote name=cdw]This statement is so wrong it makes my head hurt. Bob Brenly the leading expert in Neuroscience and the regulatory mechanism underlying learning and memory. Ugh.[/quote]Yeah, I’m starting to get into 4EA Cog Sci/Cog Ling. and already when I hear people say things like that, I want to punch them in the throat so they can no longer infect the ears of the young.
[quote name=Berselius]Fixed[/quote]
E’s 2 and 3 resonate with the scientist in me. And the attenuation of embedding makes instinct a dynamic process not regulated by birth genetics alone.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Indeed. The antipathy towards any sort of intellectualized approach to sport has always bothered me.[/quote]
On an aside, your vocabulary is filled with a cornucopia of pretty words.
Technically instincts can’t be taught. That’s kind of the definition of an instinct.
Anything you learn is a skill. Even if it becomes “almost instinctual” it is still a skill, not an instinct.
[quote name=cdw]
E’s 2 and 3 resonate with the scientist in me. And the attenuation of embedding makes instinct a dynamic process not regulated by birth genetics alone.[/quote]What are your E’s? On the philosophical side, we have some disagreement about what they should be…(dying laughing)
[quote name=Doogolas]On an aside, your vocabulary is filled with a cornucopia of pretty words.[/quote]Just wait. They’re counterbalanced by the utterly profane ones.
[quote name=Doogolas]Technically instincts can’t be taught. That’s kind of the definition of an instinct.
Anything you learn is a skill. Even if it becomes “almost instinctual” it is still a skill, not an instinct.[/quote]I’m tempted to say that could indicate a problem in the definition and not cdw’s assertion, but I’m mentally depleted past the point of having a philosophy fight. (dying laughing)
The problem with this type of definition is that action can not be independent of experience/learning. Natural, impulse, tendency…these words all are affected by learning. This definition lacks the most recent scientific understanding of how behavior is influenced by environment on a genetic, epigenetic and translational level that we are only now learning about…so trying to untangled born traits from those which are learned are in their infancy if not impossible to dissociate.
Embodied, Embedded, Enacted, Extended.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m tempted to say that could indicate a problem in the definition and not cdw’s assertion, but I’m mentally depleted past the point of having a philosophy fight. (dying laughing)[/quote]
THIS.
[quote name=cdw]Embodied, Embedded, Enacted, Extended.[/quote]Sweet. No fights here, then. Extension and enaction are what most intrigue me, because of their implications for personal identity and language. But I’m just getting into the literature.
Certainly, in common usage one (see Brenly, Bob) can not factually discern between a trait/behavior that is solely due to genetic predisposition and one that is learned. So defending this type of usage w/o hard scientific data is pointless and counter productive.
The philosophical discussion stops NOW!!!
[quote name=Aisle424]The philosophical discussion stops NOW!!![/quote]Don’t tell me what to do.
[quote name=cdw]The problem with this type of definition is that action can not be independent of experience/learning. Natural, impulse, tendency…these words all are affected by learning. This definition lacks the most recent scientific understanding of how behavior is influenced by environment on a genetic, epigenetic and translational level that we are only now learning about…so trying to untangled born traits from those which are learned are in their infancy if not impossible to dissociate.[/quote]While that may be true, I said “technically” it’s right. With the definition as it is, I was just pointing out that technically it’s true that instincts cannot be learned.
That may be a flaw in the definition, but hey, it happens.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Sweet. No fights here, then. Extension and enaction are what most intrigue me, because of their implications for personal identity and language. But I’m just getting into the literature.[/quote]
I find myself more and more interested in enact. Though the engineer in me would like to believe this is a process which can be modeled.
[quote name=Doogolas]While that may be true, I said “technically” it’s right. With the definition as it is, I was just pointing out that technically it’s true that instincts cannot be learned.
That may be a flaw in the definition, but hey, it happens.[/quote]
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
[quote name=Berselius]Technically correct is the best kind of correct
[quote name=cdw]I find myself more and more interested in enact. Though the engineer in me would like to believe this is a process which can be modeled.[/quote]Eh. Maybe to a certain degree. Have you read the work from Varela, Thompson and Rosch on enaction? Johnson’s written about this, as well.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Eh. Maybe to a certain degree. Have you read the work from Varela, Thompson and Rosch on enaction? Johnson’s written about this, as well.[/quote]
No, I haven’t read those works. I am mostly experienced with the biological underpinnings of learning, memory and genetics. The 4Es are new to me. But I’m definitely going to google those authors b/c philosophical and psychological frameworks can be very valuable in driving/analyzing research. Plus these ideas are just interesting and cool. If you have a particular review or paper on enacted I would like to hear you recommendation.
[quote name=Berselius]Technically correct is the best kind of correct
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I apologize for nothing!!!
[quote name=Doogolas]While that may be true, I said “technically” it’s right. With the definition as it is, I was just pointing out that technically it’s true that instincts cannot be learned.
That may be a flaw in the definition, but hey, it happens.[/quote]
But an argument against definition rather than concept and logic is a little off the point of contention.
[quote name=cdw]No, I haven’t read those works. I am mostly experienced with the biological underpinnings of learning, memory and genetics. The 4Es are a new concept to me. But I’m definitely going to google those authors b/c philosophical and psychological frameworks can be very valuable in driving/analyzing research. Plus these idea are just interesting and cool. If you have a particular review or paper on enacted I would like to hear you recommendation.[/quote]The Embodied Mind by Varela, Thompson and Rosch This book was the first big push for enaction.
The Meaning of the Body and The Body In the Mind by Mark Johnson
If you want a popular sort of introduction to the issues on the philosophy side Alva Noe’s Out of Our Heads is fantastic.
As far as papers, I’m still trying to catch up on the history, so I’d be a poor judge of what’s super current in the journals. But those books are a good place to look for further readings.
Oh, and anything by Antonio Damasio is great.
The progression in this thread from Wittenmyer to Antonio Damasio is utterly inexplicable.
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Gotta love this kid.
That Soriano guy just showing he’s a giant douchebag. And let’s not forget he’s lazy to boot!
(dying laughing) Snow before the first night game. Ricketts must be shitting himself.
If I had paid full price for my ticket I’d feel obligated to go tonight. But at $10 it’s just not worth it.
[quote name=AndCounting]The progression in this thread from Wittenmyer to Antonio Damasio is utterly inexplicable.[/quote]Damasio is the laziest professor at the Salk Institute. I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t be researching at his 1980s levels again.
Whitenack 6 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 3 K, 1 BB, 12-2 GO-FO
[quote name=Berselius]I know it’s a small sample size thing, but I’ve been smugly laughing about Crawford’s slow start with Boston this year.[/quote]
I root for the guy in general but yes, so hard.
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Can’t stop watching this.
I probably won’t root for him that much, though. I loved his time in Tampa and he’s clearly their best player ever at this point, but I was never in love with him as a player (this should earn me a -1 faget point, JG).
[quote name=Mish]I probably won’t root for him that much, though. I loved his time in Tampa and he’s clearly their best player ever at this point, but I was never in love with him as a player (this should earn me a -1 faget point, JG).[/quote]
Mish, you are not a True Fan.
[quote name=Berselius]Mish, you are not a True Faget.[/quote].
[quote name=Berselius]Mish, you are not a True Fan.[/quote]
False. I pay full price for tickets and turn down discounts.
[quote name=Mish]False. I pay full price for tickets and turn down discounts.[/quote]And tell everyone about your Purple Revolutionist.
[quote name=Mish]False. I pay full price for tickets and turn down discounts.[/quote]You’re a real American.
The Purple Revolution is quite possible the single dumbest idea that Al has ever had and that’s saying something.
new: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/the-3rd-annual-how-good-has-carlos-zambrano-been-in-his-career-post.html
purple revolution?