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  • What about Yu Darvish?

    Yu Darvish could be posted by his Japanese team this winter makng him available to all 30 MLB clubs. He turned 25 years old on August 16th so 2012 would be his age 25 season. That’s one year younger than Daisuke Matsuzaka who Darvish will often be compared to in the coming months. It’s an unfair comparison.

    While Matsuzaka was an outstanding pitcher in Japan, he doesn’t come close to as good as Yu Darvish. That may seem difficult to believe given the hype surrounding Matsuzaka 5 years ago, but it’s true.  Matsuzaka’s best ERA in a single season was his final year in Japan (2006). His ERA was 2.13. The highest ERA in Darvish’s career is 1.88 in 2008. Matsuzak’s career ERA was 2.81, which was more than a full run higher than Darvish (1.72). Matsuzaka’s best WHIP was also in 2006 and it was .92. Darvish has pitched 5 professional seasons and only one time was it higher than .92. His career average is .89 (1.12 for Matzuzaka). Basically, Matsuzak’s best season is worse than almost any season Darvish has pitched and it doesn’t matter which stat you look at.

    Stat: Matsuzka best / Darvish worst
    H/9: 6.2 / 7.0 (only season worse than 6.1)
    HR/9: .4 / .5 (only season worse than .4)
    BB/9: 1.64 / 2.2
    K/9: 9.7 / 8.3

    Stat (career): Matsuzka/Darvish
    ERA: 2.81/1.72
    H/9: 7.1/6.1
    HR/9: .6/.3
    BB/9: 3.0/1.9
    K/9: 8.8/9.5

    While Matsuzaka was a very good pitcher, Darvish has posted numbers that are difficult to post on the Playstation. He was not only better than him in every way, Darvish has been far superior. Comparing these two is like comparing Roy Halladay to Ryan Dempster. Dempster has had some very good seasons in recent years, but he’s not even close to as good as Halladay. The same is true with Darvish and Matsuzaka.

    Darvish isn’t going to come to MLB and post those numbers. I’d hope that nobody would expect that kind of production in the best baseball league on the planet. Baseball in Japan is similar to AAA here.

    Prior to the Cubs signing Kosuke Fukudome I took a look at all the Japanese position players to play in MLB and compared their OPS in Japan to MLB. While this is by no means a conclusive study, but the results were clear: Fukudome would be considerably worse in MLB than he was in Japan. The same is of course true with Yu Darvish.

    On RLYW, SG did something very similar, but focused only Japanese players who have pitched in MLB. I have little doubt that SG was more thorough than I was and his results were also similar. Applying those adjustments to his stats to we see that Darvish’s translated line is a 3.3 ERA or 3.8 FIP. That’s pretty damn good. SG focused on stats from the last 3 years.

    SG narrowed the list of Japanese pitchers by focusing on guys who were primarily starters in both Japan and MLB. It’s a list of only 8 pitchers so sample size is an issue. Let me just quote the conclusion because, well, it’s the best part.

    The first line here is Darvish’s 2009-2011 three-year weighed average.  Each subsequent line is what his stats would like if he saw the same % difference in his component stats that the average starter did, as well as how it would look if he ended up following the path of each individual starter.

    Think about this.  If Darvish’s struggles to the same relative extent that Kei Igawa has, he’d have an ERA of 3.15.

    I think Darvish very well might be one of the best pitchers on the planet right now.  He’s probably not, but the Yankees should really go all out for him.  Just in case he is.

    Yu Darvish is good. I don’t have any more of an idea what the Cubs are going to do this offseason than you, but if they are going to spend some money, investing in Darvish makes a lot of sense. He’s still young and younger than any other free agent available by several years. He may very well be not only the best free agent pitcher available, but one of the best in MLB.

    It’s definitely a risk. Signing any pitcher to a long-term deal is a risk, but this one has the potential to be worse because he may just not be suited for MLB. That’s entirely possible, but no pitcher in Japan coming to MLB has ever put up numbers anywhere close to as good as Darvish. The Cubs are in a tough position. They aren’t likely to contend next year so spending the kind of money it would take to sign Darvish sounds unreasonable, but at the same time this team will be trying to contend within a year or two. You don’t sign Theo Epstein if you want to completely rebuild. If Darvish works out, it could go a long way to helping the Cubs contend a lot sooner than they could have otherwise. The Cubs are in the position where it may be worth the risk.

    Some of you may say that I’ve always been skeptical of Japanese players. I remain skeptical. Most of the players from Japan that have come over here have not played particularly well. Yu Darvish is different. His numbers are just so good that they can’t be ignored. Darvish’s numbers are almost identical to what Hayden Simpson was doing in his final year of college. Simpson posted those numbers in D2. Darvish has posted them in a league comparable to AAA.

    The question is how much is it going to cost? It will certainly come at a bargain if Darvish is as good as expected, but it won’t come cheap. First, he has to be posted by his Japanese team. The posting fee is not likely to be as high as it was for Matsuzaka, but the Yankees are interested in Darvish so that could run the posting fee pretty high.


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    221 Responses to “What about Yu Darvish?”

    1. 1 Rice Cube says:

      I think Dice-K posted for something ridiculous like $50MM before they even did his salary. I’d put $50MM as the theoretical ceiling for Darvish’s posting fee.

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    2. 2 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      yea, it’s the posting fee on top of the potential salary that makes him so expensive.

      I’m down with getting Darvish, and I’m changing who I want the Cubs to get for 1B next year: Carlos Beltran- he can be had on a 2-3 year deal, and put up 4.7WAR while missing time and having below avg. defensive numbers. Moving to 1B will protect his legs, and reduce the extent that he’s a defensive liability. By the end of his contract, perhaps someone will be coming out of the minor league system. I almost can’t wait for the WS to end just to see the moves and direction Epstein and Hoyer start to make.

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    3. 3 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Maybe. It could either way.

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    4. 4 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Beltre is just so fucking good on defense.

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    5. 5 cwolf says:

      Nice snag by Beltre.

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    6. 6 mb21 says:

      Carlos Beltran is a good idea for 1st base. Never would have thought about that. Wonder if he’d be interested in making the move.

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    7. 7 mb21 says:

      I think Darvish could be had for a total of $80 million or less for 5 years. I think the posting fee is probably $30 million and 5 years/50 million for the contract.

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    8. 8 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Dear Joe Buck, When the umpire calls a strike that is actually a strike, that’s not giving the pitcher a benefit. It’s follo0wing the rules, you pompous, biased sawed off little prick. You are the lesser son of a greater sire.

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    9. 9 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Jackson’s got no feel for his breaking stuff so far. Lucky Napoli didn’t take that out.

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    10. 10 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      TOOTBLAN

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    11. 11 cwolf says:

      Rangers squandering some chances.

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]TOOTBLAN[/quote]Theriot’s probably telling stories on the Cards bench about his TOOTLBLAN exploits.

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    12. 12 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I thought Napoli’s was out, but I also thought Murphy’s would get to the wall. Ball seems like its getting crushed, maybe the camera angle or something.

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    13. 13 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Holland looking really sharp so far. Texas needs to tack some more onto Jackson and get some breathing room.

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    14. 14 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Jackson is really playing with fire. He’s missing up with regularity.

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    15. 15 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Jackson is really playing with fire. He’s missing up with regularity.[/quote]I definitely thought that last one was gone. I’m afraid TLR is gonna yank him after he gets thru lineup the 2nd time no matter what.

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    16. 17 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Berselius][Q(f,f)(v) = int_{mathbb{R}^d} int_{S^{d-1}} B(|v - v_ast|,cos theta) (f(v_ast')f(v') - f(v_ast)f(v)) dsigma dv_ast ][/quote]
      [quote name=Berselius]Anyone who recognizes the operator in my mispost above gets a free 3-year subscription to OV[/quote]
      R ?

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    17. 18 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=WaLi]R ?[/quote]If it’s anything like formal logic, it’s B.

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    18. 19 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rangers offense is Cubtastic tonight.

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    19. 20 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]yea, it’s the posting fee on top of the potential salary that makes him so expensive.

      I’m down with getting Darvish, and I’m changing who I want the Cubs to get for 1B next year: Carlos Beltran- he can be had on a 2-3 year deal, and put up 4.7WAR while missing time and having below avg. defensive numbers. Moving to 1B will protect his legs, and reduce the extent that he’s a defensive liability. By the end of his contract, perhaps someone will be coming out of the minor league system. I almost can’t wait for the WS to end just to see the moves and direction Epstein and Hoyer start to make.[/quote]
      +1 LSA Rec’d on the Beltran idea. Hope Epstein et al feel the same way.

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    20. 21 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]If it’s anything like formal logic, it’s B.[/quote]Yeah I have no idea (dying laughing). I’ve never seen that programming before, which I think I learned is LaTeX?

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    21. 22 Berselius says:

      [quote name=WaLi]R ?[/quote]
      False.

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    22. 23 Berselius says:

      [quote name=WaLi]Yeah I have no idea (dying laughing). I’ve never seen that programming before, which I think I learned is LaTeX?[/quote]
      Yeah, it’s LaTeX. Writing a seminar talk for later this week.

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    23. 24 Berselius says:

      NFL should just hand the MVP trophy to Peyton Manning right now. It’s clear how valuable he is watching the Colts try to play football

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    24. 25 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      why the hell is Washington fucking bunting in the 5th inning?!?!?!?

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    25. 26 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Berselius]False.[/quote]Another uneducated guess, cos theta?

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    26. 27 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      why do you give up an out to a pitcher who has walked 5 dudes in 4 innings. This shit really isnt that hard

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    27. 28 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      B, why are you writing the talk in LaTeX? I keep hearing people talk about using it, but I have no idea what it is or why I should.

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    28. 29 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why the hell is Washington fucking bunting in the 5th inning?!?!?!?[/quote]He’s trying to out-TLR TLR.

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    29. 30 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why the hell is Washington fucking bunting in the 5th inning?!?!?!?[/quote]Because the Stupid has drifted over from the Cards dugout and infected him.

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    30. 31 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]B, why are you writing the talk in LaTeX? I keep hearing people talk about using it, but I have no idea what it is or why I should.[/quote]
      It’s what you pretty much have to use to typeset anything scientific. Fantastic natural environment for equations, figures, macros, etc. There’s a package that you can use for making pdf slides.

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    31. 32 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Jackson has gotten away with some tremendously shitty pitches so far.

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    32. 33 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why the hell is Washington fucking bunting in the 5th inning?!?!?!?[/quote]
      He has to be worried. Texas only has the second best offense in all of MLB, so they have to scratch out runs somehow.

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    33. 34 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]It’s what you pretty much have to use to typeset anything scientific. Fantastic natural environment for equations, figures, macros, etc. There’s a package that you can use for making pdf slides.[/quote]Ah. Yeah there’s even people in humanties using to typeset now, I guess. I’m kind of a luddite. (dying laughing)

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    34. 35 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      NO JOE BUCK THE CUBS NEVER HAD HAMILTON, NOT EVEN FOR ONE MINUTE LEARN A FACT, YOU OVERLY COIFFED FUCKLICK.

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    35. 36 Rice Cube says:

      Not-so-subtle dig at the Cubs for their involvement in the Hamilton trade to the Reds. You’d think they’d have that story straight by now.

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    36. 37 Berselius says:

      [quote name=WaLi]Another uneducated guess, cos theta?[/quote]
      Nope, though that is an input to this term

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    37. 38 binky says:

      [quote name=Berselius]It’s what you pretty much have to use to typeset anything scientific. Fantastic natural environment for equations, figures, macros, etc. There’s a package that you can use for making pdf slides.[/quote]There are a couple of integrals in there (int).

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    38. 39 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why do you give up an out to a pitcher who has walked 5 dudes in 4 innings. This shit really isnt that hard[/quote]I’d fine my manager if he pulled some shit like that.

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    39. 40 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Not-so-subtle dig at the Cubs for their involvement in the Hamilton trade to the Reds. You’d think they’d have that story straight by now.[/quote]Joe Buck is as worthless and vacuous a sportcaster as there is.

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    40. 41 Mucker says:

      Hamilton having a shitty series.

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    41. 42 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I have a feeling the Cards are gonna find a way to win this one. Texas has failed to take advantage of too many opportunities

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    42. 43 Berselius says:

      [quote name=josh]There are a couple of integrals in there (int).[/quote]
      I need to stop pretending my field is so widely known (dying laughing). That term models particle interactions in dilute gases.

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    43. 44 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Hamilton having a shitty series.[/quote]Playing with a pulled hammy and a sports hernia will do that.

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    44. 45 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Ah. Yeah there’s even people in humanties using to typeset now, I guess. I’m kind of a luddite. (dying laughing)[/quote]TeX was invented in 1978. It’s a good way to make sure your equations look consistent, and it has some other nice features, like easier references, generating tables of contents, and the flexibility in cross references. Once you learn it, it’s way easier than Word, and produces more consistent results.

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    45. 46 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Nope, though that is an input to this term[/quote][Q(f,f)(v) = int_{mathbb{R}^d} int_{S^{d-1}} B(|v - v_ast|,cos theta) (f(v_ast')f(v') - f(v_ast)f(v)) dsigma dv_ast ]

      Okay last try. integral from s to r of B cos theta? (obviously I have no idea what an operator is, which I guess I should (dying laughing))

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    46. 47 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ugh. Jay’s plate mechanics are shit.

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    47. 48 binky says:

      [quote name=Berselius]I need to stop pretending my field is so widely known (dying laughing). That term models particle interactions in dilute gases.[/quote]I took some of a class in functionals. I was a terrible mathematician/student. An operator maps a Banach space onto another or something, right?

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    48. 49 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]TeX was invented in 1978. It’s a good way to make sure your equations look consistent, and it has some other nice features, like easier references, generating tables of contents, and the flexibility in cross references. Once you learn it, it’s way easier than Word, and produces more consistent results.[/quote]Ah, yeah that makes sense. I should probably check around school for a class.

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    49. 51 Berselius says:

      [quote name=josh]TeX was invented in 1978. It’s a good way to make sure your equations look consistent, and it has some other nice features, like easier references, generating tables of contents, and the flexibility in cross references. Once you learn it, it’s way easier than Word, and produces more consistent results.[/quote]
      Ugh, Word. I hate word like MO hates bunts.

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    50. 52 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]http://www.csnne.com/blog/redsox-talk/post/Selig-to-intervene-SoxCubs-negotiations-?blockID=581840&feedID=3352

      Selig: get this shit done before 11/1 or I get involved.[/quote]I love that Sullivan has once again been proven to be thoroughly and absolutely wrong about something it would have taken him 5 seconds to google.

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    51. 53 Berselius says:

      [quote name=josh]I took some of a class in functionals. I was a terrible mathematician/student. An operator maps a Banach space onto another or something, right?[/quote]
      You can do all sorts of shit analyzing them in Banach spaces, but simply speaking an operator is basically just a rule for doing something to a function. Derivatives are operators, for example.

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    52. 54 binky says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Ugh, Word. I hate word like MO hates bunts.[/quote]Me too. All the engineers I work with are 100% married to Word. Most of my job ends up being telling them how to fix the problems they’re having in Word.

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    53. 55 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Ugh. Jay’s plate mechanics are shit.[/quote]
      If he were a better leader, it wouldn’t be a problem.

      /wrong Jay

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    54. 56 WaLi says:

      So in less nerd related talk, my wife had a funny yesterday.

      Wife: I don’t care who wins, I just want it to go to game 7 (this is becuase our friend has tickets to the game)
      Me: Yeah, luckily for [our friend] the NL won the all star game so StL has home field advantage
      W: What? StL has home field advantage because of the all-star game?
      M: Yeah
      W: It doesn’t have anything to do with either of the teams records?
      M: Yeah
      W: That is absolutely rediculous

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    55. 57 Berselius says:

      [quote name=josh]Me too. All the engineers I work with are 100% married to Word. Most of my job ends up being telling them how to fix the problems they’re having in Word.[/quote]
      +1 LSA Rec’d NAMBLA

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    56. 58 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]Me too. All the engineers I work with are 100% married to Word. Most of my job ends up being telling them how to fix the problems they’re having in Word.[/quote]I write everything in Word. It’s a pain in the ass sometimes, but it’s what I know.

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    57. 59 Berselius says:

      0 TD, 8 INT, 22.6 QB rating for Cassel, Palmer and Boller combined in today’s Raiders-Chiefs game

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    58. 60 Bottleasmoke says:

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      I think B gave the answer, but my brain couldn’t understand. If he didn’t, is it a virus? Like the one dramatically fealt with here:

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    59. 61 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I write everything in Word. It’s a pain in the ass sometimes, but it’s what I know.[/quote]
      My wife was a Word partisan until the second she saw Apple’s word processing program. She despises Word as much as I do now (dying laughing)

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    60. 62 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]My wife was a Word partisan until the second she saw Apple’s word processing program. She despises Word as much as I do now (dying laughing)[/quote]What has made me hate Word is the fucking plethora of .docx documents I get sent that I can’t open.

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    61. 63 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I write everything in Word. It’s a pain in the ass sometimes, but it’s what I know.[/quote]I used to write all my papers in Word. It’s fine if you know how to use it. I usually run into problems because the engineers need every figure reference and so forth linked, but they don’t know how to make cross-references, so it can be a mess.

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    62. 64 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]What has made me hate Word is the fucking plethora of .docx documents I get sent that I can’t open.[/quote]
      What made me hate Word was working for a department website while an undergrad. People would dump absolutely everything in a word document, and it was impossible to get out.

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    63. 65 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]What has made me hate Word is the fucking plethora of .docx documents I get sent that I can’t open.[/quote]I think they made a patch so older versions of word could open docx. FWIW, I’ve found Word 2007 an 2010 have actually been easier to work with than 2003

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    64. 66 Berselius says:

      If you’re just going to write a pile of text Word is fine, it’s when it tries to do other stuff that it absolutely fucking blows.

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    65. 67 Berselius says:

      ^
      ^
      This is about Motherfucking Typesetting Environments

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    66. 68 Rice Cube says:

      FIP doesn’t like the Cardinals tonight.

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    67. 69 Berselius says:

      7 walks. I’m not sure what’s more unbelievable – that Jackson is still in this game or that Texas has only scored one run.

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    68. 70 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Berselius]7 walks. I’m not sure what’s more unbelievable – that Jackson is still in this game or that Texas has only scored one run.[/quote]TLR heard you. Both of these myths may be dispelled soon!

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    69. 71 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]7 walks. I’m not sure what’s more unbelievable – that Jackson is still in this game or that Texas has only scored one run.[/quote]Yes.

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    70. 72 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Texas really needs to add here

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    71. 73 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I BATHE IN THE TEARS OF CARDINAL BULLPEN FAILURE

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    72. 74 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      haha, that’s exactly what I mean

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    73. 75 binky says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Texas really needs to add here[/quote]mission accomplished!

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    74. 76 binky says:

      Is it just me, or is “Darvish” the least Japanese-sounding name ever?

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    75. 77 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]Is it just me, or is “Darvish” the least Japanese-sounding name ever?[/quote]I think he’s part Iranian.

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    76. 78 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I think he’s part Iranian.[/quote]Wikipedia agrees. That makes a little more sense.

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    77. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Holland has Holliday tied in knots.

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    78. 80 Rice Cube says:

      Umpire is really giving Holland that far inside strike based on the FOX montage just now.

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    79. 81 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Umpire is really giving Holland that far inside strike based on the FOX montage just now.[/quote]From my view, that crosses the plate in the zone, but finishes out.

      Also, Berkman gets Marmol’s clown shoes.

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    80. 82 binky says:

      Holland is having a great game.[quote name=Rice Cube]Umpire is really giving Holland that far inside strike based on the FOX montage just now.[/quote]
      yeah, but I think he was giving it to Jackson too.

      Am I a bad American if I mute it everytime they sing God Bless America?

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    81. 83 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Oh, this is not good.

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    82. 84 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]Holland is having a great game.

      yeah, but I think he was giving it to Jackson too.

      Am I a bad American if I mute it everytime they sing God Bless America?[/quote]I don’t think having a distaste for sunny day patriotism makes anyone a bad American.

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    83. 85 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I always forget Tony Gywnn and John Kruk had cancer.

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    84. 86 ACT says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why the hell is Washington fucking bunting in the 5th inning?!?!?!?[/quote]Because defenses play bunts less aggressively in early and middle innings.

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    85. 87 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=ACT]Because defenses play bunts less aggressively in early and middle innings.[/quote]Doesn’t actually work if the guy is showing bunt all the way.

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    86. 88 Berselius says:

      This is why I thought the Rangers would start Holland in game 3. If the series goes 7 Harrison is lined up to start game 7

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    87. 89 GBTS says:

      The fact that a potential Game 7 would be held in St. Louis pisses me off to no end.

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    88. 90 binky says:

      [quote name=GBTS]The fact that a potential Game 7 would be held in St. Louis pisses me off to no end.[/quote]The all-star game thing is bullshit. Give the winning league a million dollars to charity or something, if you want it to mean something.

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    89. 91 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=josh]The all-star game thing is bullshit. Give the winning league a million dollars to charity or something, if you want it to mean something.[/quote]I like that idea.

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    90. 92 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]The all-star game thing is bullshit. Give the winning league a million dollars to charity or something, if you want it to mean something.[/quote]Or every year pick an AL team and a NL team to host next year’s ASG. Whichever league wins, that’s who hosts next year’s.

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    91. 93 Rice Cube says:

      I mean, they already have the gold ball thing for the Home Run Derby, wouldn’t be that hard to set up a winner’s fund to Stand Up 2 Cancer or something. They could just alternate homefield like they used to do, or once realignment occurs and interleague happens all year, just give homefield to the best record in MLB.

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    92. 94 GBTS says:

      [quote name=josh]Give the winning league a million dollars to charity or something, if you want it to mean something.[/quote](dying laughing) Winner adds $10 million to the Astros payroll.

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    93. 95 Berselius says:

      [quote name=GBTS](dying laughing) Winner adds $10 million to the Astros payroll.[/quote]
      Dammit, you beat me to it (dying laughing)

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    94. 96 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=GBTS](dying laughing) Winner adds $10 million to the Astros payroll.[/quote]If that happens, the only guy who will actually try hard is the Astros’ lone representative.

      Or maybe I just totally missed the joke as I am sometimes apt to do.

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    95. 97 Berselius says:

      Drew Brees tonight: 5 TDs, 4 incompletions

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    96. 98 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Theriot had no chance. None. Might as well have sent a pitcher up there.

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    97. 99 GBTS says:

      This would still be a game if Tebow played for the Colts.

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    98. 100 melissa says:

      [quote name=GBTS]This would still be a game if Tebow played for the Colts Cards.[/quote]
      .

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    99. 101 Rice Cube says:

      What a great game from Derek Holland.

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    100. 102 Rice Cube says:

      Derek Holland was black ops.

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    101. 103 Rice Cube says:

      So…the Colts really suck.

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    102. 104 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]So…the Colts really suck.[/quote]They’re a case study in how much difference a guy like Peyton Manning can make.

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    103. 105 binky says:

      C’mon Feliz, god damn it.

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    104. 106 Rice Cube says:

      Feliz is in Marmol mode.

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    105. 107 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Feliz is in Marmol mode.[/quote]And finished it in true Marmol style. Joe Buck gave Napoli the “big swing of the night” but Josh Hamilton is the one who drove in the winning run.

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    106. 108 mb21 says:

      What a game by Holland.

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    107. 109 ACT says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Feliz is in Marmol mode.[/quote]He’s had Marmolesque control all year. Without the Marmolesque strikeouts.

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    108. 110 GBTS says:

      (dying laughing)

      I like that SNF just basically ran a commercial that said, “Sorry about tonight. Better games are coming.”

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    109. 111 binky says:

      [quote name=GBTS](dying laughing)

      I like that SNF just basically ran a commercial that said, “Sorry about tonight. Better games are coming.”[/quote]From the Colts? I won’t hold my breath.

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    110. 112 ACT says:

      Watching Feliz in the playoffs this year, I find it amazing that they were considering putting him in the rotation. All he seems to do is throw the ball really, really hard, without having a good idea where it is going. Typical late-inning reliever, in other words.

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    111. 113 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]So…the Colts really suck.[/quote]
      Manning for MVP

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    112. 114 mb21 says:

      Padres farm system ranked 20th before Hoyer and McLeod came on board. After their first year it ranked 8th and Callis said it’s top 6 for next year (not sure of the spot yet).

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    113. 115 Rodrigo says:

      [quote name=mb21]Padres farm system ranked 20th before Hoyer and McLeod came on board. After their first year it ranked 8th and Callis said it’s top 6 for next year (not sure of the spot yet).[/quote]
      Don’t know if this is true but I read that Hoyer will be at the press conference Tuesday. Kind of surprising because we haven’t heard anything official yet.

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    114. 116 Berselius says:

      [quote name=mb21]Padres farm system ranked 20th before Hoyer and McLeod came on board. After their first year it ranked 8th and Callis said it’s top 6 for next year (not sure of the spot yet).[/quote]
      Stop getting our hopes up, dammit MB (dying laughing)

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    115. 117 mb21 says:

      Nothing wrong with getting your hopes up now. It would be more troublesome if you don’t get your hopes up. That’s different, but that’s also how it is now. The Cubs have some really smart people in their front office and an owner willing to invest in amateur talent. The Cubs may never win a World Series under Theo/Hoyer, but they will have a good farm system. They may all get injured and have career ending surgeries, but it’s going to be a lot better than it’s been in the last 5 or 10 years.

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    116. 120 binky says:

      [quote name=ACT]Good god, Yadi Molina is slow. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19941709&topic_id=25588886&c_id=mlb/quoteAs I was watching that play, my initial thought when Kinsler hesitated was that he was going to eat it because Molina was already there, then he threw anyway and had Molina beat by a mile. Did Yadi forget to run on that play or what? He almost looked to be limping a little when he got to the bag. I still don’t know what happened on that play.

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    117. 121 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]As I was watching that play, my initial thought when Kinsler hesitated was that he was going to eat it because Molina was already there, then he threw anyway and had Molina beat by a mile. Did Yadi forget to run on that play or what? He almost looked to be limping a little when he got to the bag. I still don’t know what happened on that play.[/quote]That is what I was thinking, that he was going to eat it then realized Molina was running so decided to throw it.

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    118. 124 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      Sounds like West Virginia or Louisville ———-> Big 12 when Mizzou leaves. Hearing there’s a chance WVU, Louisville and BYU or Cincy could all join.

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    119. 125 binky says:

      [quote name=GBTS](dying laughing)

      That’s pretty nerdy.[/quote]Only $185……Why is he #12?

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    120. 126 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]Only $185……Why is he #12?[/quote]If you don’t include the interim GM’s, he is the 12th GM (Don’t know if that is the reason) http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/chicago_cubs_general_managers.shtml

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    121. 127 binky says:

      [quote name=WaLi]If you don’t include the interim GM’s, he is the 12th GM (Don’t know if that is the reason) http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/chicago_cubs_general_managers.shtml/quoteAh! Clever. Still not worth $185, though.

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    122. 128 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]Ah! Clever. Still not worth $185, though.[/quote]Or maybe it is #12 which is his way of telling us that Soriano is going to be gone.

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    123. 129 GBTS says:

      I was thinking it was 2012.

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    124. 130 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=WaLi]Or maybe it is #12 which is his way of telling us that Soriano is going to be gone.[/quote]This was my first guess. I don’t think he could outhomer Tony Campana though.

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    125. 131 Rice Cube says:

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    126. 132 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      My favorite tweet from last night’s game: “Holland hasn’t looked this good on the mound since Bert Blyleven.”

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    127. 133 GW says:

      http://twitter.com/#!/SamMillerOCR/status/127938610644258816

      Tim McCarver just called Albert Pujols “El Hambre,” which is Spanish for “The Famine.”

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    128. 134 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    129. 135 mb21 says:

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    131. 137 mb21 says:

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    132. 138 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    133. 139 binky says:

      [quote name=GW]http://twitter.com/#!/SamMillerOCR/status/127938610644258816[/quote]El Hambre de Jonrones?

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    134. 140 mb21 says:

      still (dying laughing) @ the banner

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    135. 141 Berselius says:

      Epstein PC is at 11 tomorrow

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    136. 142 Rice Cube says:

      (dying laughing)

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    137. 143 binky says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Epstein PC is at 11 tomorrow[/quote]What do you think they’re going to announce?

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    138. 144 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]What do you think they’re going to announce?[/quote]Bleacher tickets will be $10 for non-season ticket holders.

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    139. 145 Berselius says:

      [quote name=josh]What do you think they’re going to announce?[/quote]Maybe they finally resolved the Who is the Executive Chairman issue.

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    140. 146 Yu Darvish says:

      My name doesn’t really sound Iranian, either.

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    141. 147 binky says:

      [quote name=Yu Darvish]My name doesn’t really sound Iranian, either.[/quote]Apparently your Dad was Persian. My first impulse would have been Turkish, probably just because of how close it is to dervish.

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    142. 148 WaLi says:

      In Japan, doesn’t the surname come first? So his last name is Yu, first name Darvish, which is probably a form of Darvesh which has an arabic background.

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    143. 149 Yu Darvish says:

      [quote name=WaLi]In Japan, doesn’t the surname come first? So his last name is Yu, first name Darvish, which is probably a form of Darvesh which has an arabic background.[/quote]Hmmm. Interesting theory about his my name.

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    144. 150 WaLi says:

      Actually I have a chinese friend whose last name is Yu. I’ll ask her to call him and ask about his background.

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    145. 152 binky says:

      [quote name=WaLi]In Japan, doesn’t the surname come first? So his last name is Yu, first name Darvish, which is probably a form of Darvesh which has an arabic background.[/quote]I’m almost positive Yu is his given name, and that Yu Darvish is his angelicized name. Besides, that rule would seem not necessarily to apply since his dad was not japanese, and therefore his name really isn’t Japanese.

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    146. 153 binky says:

      [quote name=WaLi]In Japan, doesn’t the surname come first? So his last name is Yu, first name Darvish, which is probably a form of Darvesh which has an arabic background.[/quote]According to Wikipedia, Darvesh is a Persian word. His dad was Persian. Bingobango.

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    147. 154 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Darvish[/quote]Oh sure take the easy way out!

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    148. 155 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]According to Wikipedia, Darvesh is a Persian word. His dad was Persian. Bingobango.[/quote]Ah, short for Darvishsefad. That sounds arabic.

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    149. 156 mb21 says:

      In American baseball you have whites and browns. Whites are from the good ol’ United States of America and the browns are from Mexico. Therefore Darvish is Mexican.

      Blacks don’t count until Buck O’Neil is in the Hall of Fame.

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    150. 157 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=mb21]In American baseball you have whites and browns. Whites are from the good ol’ United States of America and the browns are from Mexico. Therefore Darvish is Mexican.

      Blacks don’t count until Buck O’Neil is in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]Yu does have a bit of a tan…

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    151. 158 WaLi says:

      [quote name=josh]What do you think they’re going to announce?[/quote]McLeod: I’ve never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.
      Hoyer: Most of these guys never had a prime.
      Epstein: The fact is we lost our best player to anger management class. We haven’t won a pennant in over one-hundred years, we haven’t advanced past the NLDS in the last eight. Obviously it’s time for some changes.
      McLeod: (Looking at Soriano’s name) This guy here legs are dead!
      Epstein: Cross him off, then!

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    152. 159 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=WaLi]McLeod: I’ve never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.
      Hoyer: Most of these guys never had a prime.
      Epstein: The fact is we lost our best player to anger management class. We haven’t won a pennant in over one-hundred years, we haven’t advanced past the NLDS in the last eight. Obviously it’s time for some changes.
      McLeod: (Looking at Soriano’s name) This guy here legs are dead!
      Epstein: Cross him off, then![/quote]“Major League” win. Now I gotta talk to this guy about some whitewalls.

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    153. 160 Berselius says:

      [quote name=WaLi]Actually I have a chinese friend whose last name is Yu. I’ll ask her to call him and ask about his background.[/quote]
      Maybe they’re related. Japan is only an island, everyone must know each other.

      /pet peeve of a Hawaiian friend of mine

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    154. 161 Rice Cube says:

      Theo —> Wrigley Field

      /purple-shirt-guy’d

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    155. 163 binky says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Theo —> Wrigley Field

      /purple-shirt-guy’d[/quote]They should consider interviewing him for the GM job.

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    156. 164 binky says:

      [quote name=ACT]Damn it, Joe. http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7142018/joe-torre-mlb-look-boston-red-sox-drinking-beer-ban/quoteAt the end of this it mentions that Theo took out a $12,000 ad as a farewell message to Bostonians.

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    157. 165 Rice Cube says:

      Joe Poz might be on his way towards hating Tim McCarver…

      http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/10/baseball-on-fox.html

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    158. 166 GW says:

      [quote name=josh]At the end of this it mentions that Theo took out a $12,000 ad as a farewell message to Bostonians.[/quote]
      typical bad theo signing.

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    159. 167 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Joe Poz might be on his way towards hating Tim McCarver…

      http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/10/baseball-on-fox.html/quoteRe: his Twitter poll, for what it’s worth, I also would’ve chosen Vin Scully. And maybe Pat Hughes or Bob Uecker as a backup, but I’m sure Scully would’ve handled it fine on his own.

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    160. 168 Mucker says:

      Is that unicorn stuck in barbwire in the banner?

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    161. 169 Mucker says:

      Does anybody think that Theo and pals might be a little reluctant to sign another Japanese pitcher for huge money? I know Darvish by all accounts seems to be a much better pitcher than Dice K but just curious if anybody else thinks Dice Ks struggles will make Team Hope think twice about it.

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    162. 170 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Does anybody think that Theo and pals might be a little reluctant to sign another Japanese pitcher for huge money? I know Darvish by all accounts seems to be a much better pitcher than Dice K but just curious if anybody else thinks Dice Ks struggles will make Team Hope think twice about it.[/quote]I feel like if Team Hope (very nice) wants to get the Cubs into win mode by 2013, they will just consider who would best fit that model and wouldn’t care that Dice-K sucked. The part where Dice-K didn’t actually suck that bad in 2007 and 2008 might attenuate some of the self-doubt, methinks.

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    163. 171 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Joe Poz might be on his way towards hating Tim McCarver…

      http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/10/baseball-on-fox.html/quote

      And so, of course, I looked it up and it turns out that it is technically right but only technically

      Only technically?

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    164. 172 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I feel like if Team Hope (very nice) wants to get the Cubs into win mode by 2013, they will just consider who would best fit that model and wouldn’t care that Dice-K sucked. The part where Dice-K didn’t actually suck that bad in 2007 and 2008 might attenuate some of the self-doubt, methinks.[/quote]I know he’s had some injury issues and he did pitch pretty well to start his career so I didn’t mean to say he sucked but I think the resources spent on a negotiating window seem better spent.

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    165. 173 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mucker]I know he’s had some injury issues and he did pitch pretty well to start his career so I didn’t mean to say he sucked but I think the resources spent on a negotiating window seem better spent.[/quote]I understand. I think it would really depend on their timetable (even if they say they don’t have one). If they’re in contend-mode within the timeframe of Yu’s hypothetical contract, I think it’s a good investment. If not, save $.

      I’m hoping they don’t give Dempster a crazy extension and they don’t just flat out release Zambrano because they don’t like him. But they’re the guys getting paid the big bucks, not me, so I’ll have to assume whatever they do will be the smart thing to do by default (dying laughing)

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    166. 174 Aisle424 says:

      http://hirejimessian.com/2011/10/24/what-theo-really-needs-to-know/

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      Mike Quade: He is frightening to look at, he’s bad at managing a Major League Baseball team, and he is probably going to call you “Eppsy” the first time you meet him. Please bring in a manager who isn’t terrible.

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    167. 175 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]http://hirejimessian.com/2011/10/24/what-theo-really-needs-to-know/

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)[/quote]I liked the item he had about Al (dying laughing)

      Where does Pat Hughes go during that one inning? I figured it was his dinner or shit break.

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    168. 176 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I’m hoping they don’t give Dempster a crazy extension and they don’t just flat out release Zambrano because they don’t like him. But they’re the guys getting paid the big bucks, not me, so I’ll have to assume whatever they do will be the smart thing to do by default (dying laughing)[/quote]When you look at Darvish’s age, he is a very intriguing target. Like you said, if Team Hope really thinks this team can and will contend in 12 or 13, then it makes sense. If the Cubs sign Darvish, Wilson and Fielder, then tickle my taint, I might believe they can compete too.

      I agree about Zambrano. If they think he can still pitch well enough to help the team, I don’t want to see them releasing him either. A rotation of Garza, Wilson?, Dempster, Darvish?, Zambrano could be very strong, assuming they sign Wilson and/or Darvish. That can also give them another year to stretch Cashner out so he can be in the ’13 rotation. Who knows, maybe Hayden Simpson will have recovered from mono by then too. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    169. 177 Suburban kid 23 says:

      I put on my Cubs hat for the first time this year. It didn’t look stupid.

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    170. 178 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mucker]When you look at Darvish’s age, he is a very intriguing target. Like you said, if Team Hope really thinks this team can and will contend in 12 or 13, then it makes sense. If the Cubs sign Darvish, Wilson and Fielder, then tickle my taint, I might believe they can compete too.[/quote]I think the taint-tickling might cost you extra…maybe they’ll make you book a mezzanine suite. The other stuff might already have been discussed by Cubs brass though (dying laughing)

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    171. 179 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I liked the item he had about Al (dying laughing)

      Where does Pat Hughes go during that one inning? I figured it was his dinner or shit break.[/quote]I assume it is a bathroom break/ resting of his voice. I’m guessing he has something in his contract about it.

      It is amazing how long that inning seems no matter who has been doing it. The years when Ron did the play-by-play was painfully hilarious. Judd is just such an over-reactionary dillhole, I spent most of the inning screaming over his screaming to just shut the fuck up. Keith Moreland’s labored play-by-play has actually been music by comparison.

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    172. 180 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]I assume it is a bathroom break/ resting of his voice. I’m guessing he has something in his contract about it.

      It is amazing how long that inning seems no matter who has been doing it. The years when Ron did the play-by-play was painfully hilarious. Judd is just such an over-reactionary dillhole, I spent most of the inning screaming over his screaming to just shut the fuck up. Keith Moreland’s labored play-by-play has actually been music by comparison.[/quote]I have noticed that Keith has magic STFU powers when he takes over for that one inning now. Judd barely gets to speak anymore. Win.

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    173. 181 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I liked the item he had about Al (dying laughing)

      Where does Pat Hughes go during that one inning? I figured it was his dinner or shit break.[/quote]
      Yeah, I’m sure it’s to give his voice a break. He’s usually around and occasionally chimes in. It’s not as big of a deal with Judd but it was good to have it to try to attract better assistants for him to give better on the job training. I still miss having Cory Provus as his caddy, he was great. He sure landed a great job when he left WGN too.

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    174. 182 Smokestack Lightning says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid 23]I put on my Cubs hat for the first time this year. It didn’t look stupid.[/quote]
      (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    175. 183 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mucker] Who knows, maybe Hayden Simpson will have recovered from mono by then too. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)[/quote]
      I can’t wait until he makes the jump to AA at the age of 32

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    176. 184 Rice Cube says:

      Muskat:

      Note: Only Epstein will be at the Tuesday news conference, and not the next GM, which is expected to be Jed Hoyer. Those details are still being finalized.

      http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/10/24/1024-theo-to-be-introduced-tuesday/

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    177. 185 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Is that unicorn stuck in barbwire in the banner?[/quote]I never noticed that before, but it sure looks like it (dying laughing)

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    178. 186 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=WaLi]I never noticed that before, but it sure looks like it (dying laughing)[/quote]As a metaphor, it could mean that hope will never be able to escape the Cubs again…

      …at least not without pain and injury.

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    179. 187 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Why has Cam Newton never been treated the way Tebow has? Same skill set, only Newton is the more accomplished passer at this point and has an eminently stronger arm and is faster and is not nearly such an insufferable douche.

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    180. 188 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Why has Cam Newton never been treated the way Tebow has? Same skill set, only Newton is the more accomplished passer at this point and has an eminently stronger arm and is faster and is not nearly such an insufferable douche.[/quote]I think this describes why…

      And he is white.

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    181. 189 mb21 says:

      I don’t follow the NFL very much, but the last 8794 times I’ve heard Tebow’s name it was on this blog. (dying laughing)

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    182. 190 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Is that unicorn stuck in barbwire in the banner?[/quote]

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    183. 191 GBTS says:

      Cam Newton has yet to be fellated by Thom Brennaman for 3.5 hours.

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    184. 192 GW says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Why has Cam Newton never been treated the way Tebow has? Same skill set, only Newton is the more accomplished passer at this point and has an eminently stronger arm and is faster and is not nearly such an insufferable douche.[/quote]

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    185. 193 mb21 says:

      I’m serious. If Tebow was never brought up here I’d just assume his career ended in college.

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    186. 194 Rice Cube says:

      Potential free agent item…Roy Oswalt’s option was declined. Worthy of pursuit?

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    187. 195 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Potential free agent item…Roy Oswalt’s option was declined. Worthy of pursuit?[/quote]
      I’d give him a 1-2 deal for around 10 annually. Not sure that would be enough however….

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    188. 196 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]I’m serious. If Tebow was never brought up here I’d just assume his career ended in college.[/quote]This the most perfect way of summing up Tebow’s actual talent level. A casual observer would assume that guy never made it. And he’s starting. And not because he’s good, because the exact same skill set you saw that led you to that conclusion is the skill set he now possesses! His game has not changed one bit and he’s been in the league 2 years now. Cam Newton has been in the league for 7 months, and unlike Tebow, came in after just one year in college, yet has already shown improvement.

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    189. 197 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]I’d give him a 1-2 deal for around 10 annually. Not sure that would be enough however….[/quote]He’d turn 34 middle of next season. I don’t think $10MM would be enough either. If he takes a pay cut he probably stays with the Phillies or might even go back to the Astros. I assume he’d be good for 2-3 wins for a couple more seasons before he crashes so was interested in what people thought he’d be worth and if he’d even fit with the Cubs’ plans.

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    190. 198 mb21 says:

      I don’t know what Tebow’s talent level is. My only point is that I’d never hear his name if it weren’t for this blog. About the only place I read anything about the NFL is here and I skip those comments as best as possible. (dying laughing)

      The only other time I pay attention to the NFL is once a year I’ll check to see how some of the former Hawkeyes did.

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    191. 199 Aisle424 says:

      Didn’t you get the memo that we are rebranding as a Tim Tebow blog, MB?

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    192. 200 GBTS says:

      MO, you’re forgetting that if you meet Tim Tebow and speak to him for just a few minutes, you become a completely different and better person. Can’t say that about Cam Newton.

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    193. 201 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]MO, you’re forgetting that if you meet Tim Tebow and speak to him for just a few minutes, you become a completely different and better person. Can’t say that about Cam Newton.[/quote]He might be the best person ever. But he sucks at playing QB. I really don’t understand why the MSSM can’t just learn to make that distinction.

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    194. 202 Mucker says:

      I don’t understand the Tebow love. The highlights shown yesterday showed a QB facing prevent defense for the last 5 minutes of the game. I saw one throw he made that was 10 yards down the field and the rest were screens and him running. He was complete fucking shit the first 55 minutes. Are they trying to say that Tebow figured it all out in the last 5 minutes? To me, the Dolphins gave that game away with the prevent defense at the end of the game.

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    195. 203 Aisle424 says:

      And by being generally terrible at football.

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    196. 204 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mucker]I don’t understand the Tebow love. The highlights shown yesterday showed a QB facing prevent defense for the last 5 minutes of the game. I saw one throw he made that was 10 yards down the field and the rest were screens and him running. He was complete fucking shit the first 55 minutes. Are they trying to say that Tebow figured it all out in the last 5 minutes? To me, the Dolphins gave that game away with the prevent defense at the end of the game.[/quote]They probably realized that they needed to keep up with the Colts in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

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    197. 205 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]I don’t understand the Tebow love. The highlights shown yesterday showed a QB facing prevent defense for the last 5 minutes of the game. I saw one throw he made that was 10 yards down the field and the rest were screens and him running. He was complete fucking shit the first 55 minutes. Are they trying to say that Tebow figured it all out in the last 5 minutes? To me, the Dolphins gave that game away with the prevent defense at the end of the game.[/quote]Well, and they’re bad. Like epically bad. They and the Colts are literally competing to see who ends up with a historically bad defense. And Andrew Luck. (dying laughing)

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    198. 206 GBTS says:

      Denver had 2 passing yards in the fourth quarter, they have a shit defense of their own, and it was still a two-possession game. Just a laugher all around.

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    199. 207 Mucker says:

      I think the reason why the media loves Tebow is because he gives the best blowjobs.

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    200. 208 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      In two weeks, it’s going to be hilarious to watch teams play the Broncos, when all 11 defenders are in the box, and that guy still can’t get the ball down the field.

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    201. 209 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]In two weeks, it’s going to be hilarious to watch teams play the Broncos, when all 11 defenders are in the box, and that guy still can’t get the ball down the field.[/quote]Yeah, once teams watch film, it’s going to be bad for Tebow. Especially when he faces good teams.

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    202. 210 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Denver had 2 passing yards in the fourth quarter, they have a shit defense of their own, and it was still a two-possession game. Just a laugher all around.[/quote]This week in the NFL was a slopfest. Shitloads of INTs, low scoring…just a lot of really bad teams playing really bad football for a really long time.

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    203. 211 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Yeah, once teams watch film, it’s going to be bad for Tebow. Especially when he faces good teams.[/quote]I think he’ll still be able to run a bit. He’s strong as a bull and has a good burst at the point of attack. Which is why he ought to be turned into a FB/TE, where he might be able to play at a pretty high level.

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    204. 212 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      So Theo tomorrow but no Hoyer? Any chance this negotiation drags out, too?

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    205. 213 GBTS says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]So Theo tomorrow but no Hoyer? Any chance this negotiation drags out, too?[/quote]Maybe Hoyer has cold feet about moving here. Has anyone dedicated a post letting him know the dos and dont’s of Chicago? He might not know what that big body of water is, or which door he would walk in at Wrigley.

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    206. 214 binky says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]So Theo tomorrow but no Hoyer? Any chance this negotiation drags out, too?[/quote]No, the Padres were just so happy the Cubs even knew who they were. They completely forgot to ask for anything in return.

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    207. 215 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=GBTS]Maybe Hoyer has cold feet about moving here. Has anyone dedicated a post letting him know the dos and dont’s of Chicago? He might not know what that big body of water is, or which door he would walk in at Wrigley.[/quote]If it tells him he should talk to trollish fuckwit Paul Sullivan, best tell him not to read it.

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    208. 216 Mucker says:

      MO, how do you feel about the Bears handling of Forte’s contract?

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    209. 217 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=josh]No, the Padres were just so happy the Cubs even knew who they were. They completely forgot to ask for anything in return.[/quote](dying laughing), just give them Camp and let’s move on.

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    210. 218 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]MO, how do you feel about the Bears handling of Forte’s contract?[/quote]It’s stupid. His price goes up every week. Pay the man. He’s earned it. Fucking Angelo and Phillips have this ridiculous need to stand on principle. More balls than brains in that tandem.

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    211. 219 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s stupid. His price goes up every week. Pay the man. He’s earned it. Fucking Angelo and Phillips have this ridiculous need to stand on principle. More balls than brains in that tandem.[/quote]Agreed. Forte has been playing at an elite level this year. He’s only 25. He’s one of the better all-around backs in football. Seems like an easy decision to me.

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    212. 220 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Agreed. Forte has been playing at an elite level this year. He’s only 25. He’s one of the better all-around backs in football. Seems like an easy decision to me.[/quote]Angelo + Phillips :: MacPhail + Hendry

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