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  • Cubs claim Adrian Cardenas, designate Blake DeWitt

    Yesterday the Cubs claimed Adrian Cardenas off of waivers and to make room for him on the 40-man roster they designated Blake DeWitt for assignment. The Cubs signed DeWitt a couple weeks ago to $1.1 million. The Cubs will owe DeWitt $183,333. He wasn't going to provide much or any value to the Cubs this year or next so there was little reason to retain him. While Cardenas may not be much of an improvement, it's actually more fun talking about what he once was rather than what he is now.

    Cardenas was the 37th player taken in the 2006 Draft. The Phillies used their supplemental first round pick to grab the talented player from Monsignor Edward Pace HS (FL). His teammate Chris Marrero was also taken in the 1st round (15th overall). Those were the only two chosen from that high school and both were 1st round selections. Neither has reached the potential they once had.

    He started off just fine. He had a wRC+ of 146 in 177 PA after being drafted. He followed that up with a wRC+ of 109 as a 19 year old in A ball. At the age of 20 (2008) he had a 140 wRC+ in nearly 300 PA and was then traded to the A's. The rest of the season it was below 100, but he followed it up at 21 in AA with with a wRC+ of 127. He struggled (80 wRC+) in AAA that season, but was only 21. Back at AA in 2010 he hit as well as he had the year before in AA, but was even worse in AAA that year. Although his 2011 batting line of .314/.374/.418 looks good, it's a .356 wOBA. The league average was .356.

    Prior to 2008 he was the 76th ranked prospect and moved up to 74th the following year. He hasn't been seen on the list since.

    At the time of the draft, Baseball America had this scouting report for Cardenas:

    No player in Florida took a bigger leap forward this spring than Cardenas, a hard-nosed throwback player with good makeup and feel for the game. He's savvy and bright, and he even plays the piano. He made the most of hitting in front of Chris Marrero in his high school lineup by putting together one of the most impressive high school seasons in South Florida in years. He hit safely in 29 of his first 37 at-bats with eight home runs, broke a Dade County record for home runs and was batting .630-17-56. Cardenas has good strength and a short, compact lefthanded swing. He allows balls to get deep in the hitting zone before driving them to all fields. He should hit 10-15 home runs annually in the big leagues with a .275-.295 average. He won't make it there as a shortstop, however, which hinders his value. He's a fringe-average runner, and his lower half has some stiffness. Most scouts believe he profiles at second base fine, though others insist he'll wind up in left field. His hands are average, as is his arm at second base.

    After his strong rookie league performance he was ranked 3rd in the Phillies organization and Baseball America wrote this:

    Strengths: Cardenas has good strength and a short, compact swing from the left side. He has a knack for squaring up balls, making consistent hard contact and driving the ball to all fields. He profiles to hit 15-20 homers annually in the majors. He's presently a solid-average defender at shortstop, though most scouts believe he'll have to change positions down the road. His intellect is on par with his athleticism, as he graduated in the top 10 percent in his class.

    Weaknesses: The Phillies recognize that Cardenas best fits at second base, where he played exclusively during instructional league. He lacks first-step quickness and the range to play short, and his speed and arm strength are fringy.

    He was ranked 2nd the following year:

    The Future: Cardenas will move to high Class A Clearwater for 2008, but his bat could push him to Double-A by midseason. He has middle-of-the-order potential, though the Phillies already are set at second base with Chase Utley.

    After his poor performance following the trade he dropped to 5th, but that was in another organization. He dropped out of the top 10 the following year.

    CAIRO projects a .284 wOBA for Cardenas. We could bump that up now that he's moved to the inferior league. Oliver projects a .310 wOBA. CAIRO projected DeWitt to have a .323 wOBA while Oliver projected .303. The Cubs probably got a bit worse in terms of projections, but they added a player with multiple options and 6 years of club control. Several of those would be at league minimum. They got rid of a player who would probably have made about $3 million over the next couple seasons. They added someone who does still have some potential to be a decent big leaguer.

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    146 Responses to “Cubs claim Adrian Cardenas, designate Blake DeWitt”

    1. Suburban kid 1 Suburban kid says:

      Why the fuck can’t I respond to a Fagetbook comment thread with a link to a picture from a different fagetbook comment thread? Fucking amateur.

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    2. Suburban kid 2 Suburban kid says:

      This is Facebook support, right?

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    3. WaLi 3 WaLi says:

      So he just started playing poorly with no injuries or anything? Hopefully JedTheo can fix him.

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    4. Suburban kid 4 Suburban kid says:

      MB, I have a cool story for you bro.

      This girl from my class who was a tomboy at age 6 but somewhat hot at age 17 was asked to come backstage at a Dead show (at age 17, not 6). She was a big fan, but was disappointed by the experience. Several of the band and crew were leches, and Jerry Garcia was a big fat slob who had crumbs in his beard from his ham sandwich. I’m reminded of that cool story whenever I see Jerry’s beard, so it’s your fault.

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    5. 5 AndCounting says:

      Hearing rumors of Josh Vitters ——-> Red Sox as Theo compensation. I want this to happen simply because I called it back when the Theo talks first began.

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    6. WaLi 6 WaLi says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      MB, I have a cool story for you bro.
      This girl from my class who was a tomboy at age 6 but somewhat hot at age 17 was asked to come backstage at a Dead show (at age 17, not 6). She was a big fan, but was disappointed by the experience. Several of the band and crew were leches, and Jerry Garcia was a big fat slob who had crumbs in his beard from his ham sandwich. I’m reminded of that cool story whenever I see Jerry’s beard, so it’s your fault.

      They were milk? Or the second definition:
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leche

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    7. mb21 7 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      I don’t understand anything you just said. (dying laughing)

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    8. mb21 8 mb21 says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      MB, I have a cool story for you bro.
      This girl from my class who was a tomboy at age 6 but somewhat hot at age 17 was asked to come backstage at a Dead show (at age 17, not 6). She was a big fan, but was disappointed by the experience. Several of the band and crew were leches, and Jerry Garcia was a big fat slob who had crumbs in his beard from his ham sandwich. I’m reminded of that cool story whenever I see Jerry’s beard, so it’s your fault.

      It all would have made a lot more sense to her if she was 6.

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    9. mb21 9 mb21 says:

      @ AndCounting:
      I keep hoping it’s Soriano. (dying laughing)

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    10. Suburban kid 10 Suburban kid says:

      Is the plural of lech not leches? Is lech not a word?

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    11. josh 11 josh says:

      Seems like they’re big on potential and fixer-uppers with these signings and trades. That’s fine with me. Most likely nothing will pan out, but there could be a pleasant surprise buried in there.

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    12. Aisle424 12 Aisle424 says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      Is the plural of lech not leches? Is lech not a word?

      You have it right, assuming you mean he was acting in a lecherous way.

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    13. josh 13 josh says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      “lech” is a word, derived from “lecherous.” And “leches” is the acceptable pluralization.

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    14. Aisle424 14 Aisle424 says:

      josh wrote:

      Seems like they’re big on potential and fixer-uppers with these signings and trades. That’s fine with me. Most likely nothing will pan out, but there could be a pleasant surprise buried in there.

      The difference with this office is that they probably won’t fall in love with the few that do work out well. Hendry liked his lightning in a bottle, but then forgot that’s all it was and ended up counting on those guys because now they were fan favorites. I was so proud when he traded DeRosa at the height of his value and wished it had worked out better since everyone was so pissed about it.

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    15. josh 15 josh says:

      @ Aisle424:
      In retrospect, that was a savvy move. I remember being one of the angry, but I can see your point now. Who’d they get for him? A couple of pitchers, right? On the other hand, DeRo’s career has been one big wrist injury since then, so just not having him on the team is probably a win.

      In that way, it worked out, for the Cubs.

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    16. mb21 16 mb21 says:

      Trading DeRosa at that point was my favorite transaction that Hendry ever made. I think he made a lot of good ones and a lot of bad ones. Theo, if he’s around long enough, will also make a lot of good ones and a lot of bad ones (see Red Sox, Boston). I think the difference between these two is about what 424 said. Theo is probably more likely to move on than hendry was. The Cubs picked up Neifi and he was surprisingly good. Then they re-signed him. I’d like to think that won’t happen anymore.

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    17. dylanj 17 dylanj says:

      basically the book as i see on Cardenas is he is terrible at defense, hits for average and can take a walk but has no power. Checking out his fangraphs page his offensive value is less than replacement in years where his BA is low.

      Still like the move though because I dont have to see DeWitt out there anymore

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    18. GBTS 18 GBTS says:

      Well ain’t this fancy.

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    19. Rice Cube 19 Rice Cube says:

      AndCounting wrote:

      Hearing rumors of Josh Vitters ——-> Red Sox as Theo compensation. I want this to happen simply because I called it back when the Theo talks first began.

      I’d be okay with this, although I’d keep wondering what might have been.

      MB, I was just trying to see if merely pasting a link from Youtube would embed it, and it did. However, when you’re in the edit mode, it temporarily shows it as not embedded until you refresh the page. Minor quirk, nothing to freak out about.

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    20. GBTS 21 GBTS says:

      .

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    21. mb21 22 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I don’t know. I couldn’t believe he was let out in the first place.

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    22. Rice Cube 23 Rice Cube says:

      @ AndCounting:
      Where’d you hear this BTW?

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    23. GBTS 24 GBTS says:

      FYI, I’ve tried two different browsers on my Android and I can’t see the comments in this thread on the mobile site (apparently just this one though).

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    24. mb21 25 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      The comments are hidden by default. There should be something below the post to click to view the comments. Are you seeing the comment form?

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    25. Rodrigo Ramirez 26 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      I couldn’t see comments either using mobile version with my iPhone.

      I clicked the box with the arrow and nothing happened. I switched off mobile and it works fine.

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    26. GBTS 27 GBTS says:

      Switched over to the desktop version. When I clicked the arrow to unhide the comments, the arrow turned but no comments displayed.

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    27. GBTS 28 GBTS says:

      The desktop version looks really nice on a smartphone as well.

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    28. mb21 29 mb21 says:

      Weird. It works on my iphone. You guys have shitty phones. (dying laughing)

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    29. Berselius 30 Berselius says:

      @ AndCounting:

      It sounds like it’s pretty much the Cubs Den guy who has this rumor https://twitter.com/#!/TomLoxas/status/166987892537823233

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    30. mb21 31 mb21 says:

      Try it now. I set it to show the comments.

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    31. mb21 32 mb21 says:

      On the iphone if you bookmark the site it’s available as a standalone app so you can view it without using Safari.

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    32. 33 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [img]http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Treehorn-lebowski-doodle-full-650×346.jpg[/img]

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    33. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

      Berselius wrote:

      @ AndCounting:
      It sounds like it’s pretty much the Cubs Den guy who has this rumor https://twitter.com/#!/TomLoxas/status/166987892537823233

      Brett at BN says he has two sources saying Vitters is being considered, though one could be the Cubs Den guy. Junior Lake is also in the mix.

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    34. GBTS 35 GBTS says:

      mb21 wrote:

      You guys have discredited phones. (dying laughing)

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    35. mb21 36 mb21 says:

      I don’t know why some images aren’t posting.

      [img]http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Treehorn-lebowski-doodle-full-650×346.jpg[/img]

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    36. mb21 37 mb21 says:

      [img]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/525×330/502133.jpg[/img]

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    37. Berselius 38 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      Huh, Aisley had problems earlier and I thought that it was due to a % character in the link. No dice for this one.

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    38. GBTS 39 GBTS says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Try it now. I set it to show the comments.

      Uggggghhhhh but then I have to clear my caaaaaaaache…….

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    39. Berselius 40 Berselius says:

      [img]http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/2/7/14/enhanced-buzz-12199-1328642366-45.jpg[/img]

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    40. Berselius 41 Berselius says:

      The image code isn’t linking to them directly. If you right click on the text of the image fails above you get an address like
      http://img3.obstructedview.net/http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/525%C3%97330/502133.jpg&t=0b2bb832b6fe1235daa015576f3661f1

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    41. josh 42 josh says:

      You know, when I posted that one before, I manually typed in the [ img ] tags.

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    42. Berselius 43 Berselius says:

      Basically it’s adding the http://img3.obstructedview.net/ to the front and some garbage to the back &t=0b2bb832b6fe1235daa015576f3661f1

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    43. 44 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      TLR has had it with your newfangled image-posting. Nothing but woodcuts and scrimshaw for Ol’ Tone.

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    44. JonKneeV 45 jtsunami says:

      Getting this new site to run smoothly is apparently going to take as long as Soriano’s contract (dying laughing)

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    45. mb21 46 mb21 says:

      [img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltftzxmXwk1qb72l4o1_500.jpg[/img]

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    46. mb21 47 mb21 says:

      [img]http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Treehorn-lebowski-doodle-full-650×346.jpg[/img]

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    47. 48 fang2415 says:

      (dying laughing)

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    48. Aisle424 49 Aisle424 says:

      [img]http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1sPd3bksnbM/TaiUB-oiqKI/AAAAAAAABL0/64oql7jwY_g/w500-h407-k/palmeiro.jpg[/img]

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    49. Aisle424 50 Aisle424 says:

      I don’t understand why some will load right and some won’t.

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    50. 51 dmick89 says:

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    51. 52 dmick89 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I don’t either, but you can now use html to insert an image. http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/images/_IMG_SRC.html

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    52. Suburban kid 53 Suburban kid says:

      Just blow up the whole fuckin site already

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    53. Mucker 54 Mucker says:

      MO, what do you think of the Bears getting Bates as QB coach?

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    54. 55 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Mucker:
      It’s the first thing they’ve done for Cutler since they got him, so I think while it’s not a huge move, it’s a smart move. It’s also a mark of how fucking stupid that team is that we’re lauding them for hiring the right QB coach.

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    55. Suburban kid 56 Suburban kid says:

      Awesome. We can give our own comments points.

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    56. mb21 58 mb21 says:

      I’ve done about all I can with trying to figure out the image issue. If someone else wants to look into go for it. I believe you can use html now. At least it worked for my other account anyway.

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    57. Suburban kid 59 Suburban kid says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m now X-cessive Criminal

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    58. WaLi 60 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      When I right click on the photos that don’t work and put them in the browser then the link itself doesn’t work, so I don’t think it is an issue on your end.

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    59. WaLi 61 WaLi says:

      Also I can’t edit my posts. Its a good thing what I right is purfect the furst time everytyme

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    60. mb21 62 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      I was able to edit my posts when I used the other account. What browser are you using? Do you have javascript enabled? OS?

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    61. mb21 63 mb21 says:

      [img]http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/c/chicago_cubs_logo-9313.jpg[/img]

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    62. mb21 64 mb21 says:

      [img]http://logoinspirations.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Chicago-Cubs-ALT2.jpg[/img]

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    63. mb21 65 mb21 says:

      [img]http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/54/full/7253.gif[/img]

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    64. mb21 66 mb21 says:

      [img]http://carlos-zambrano.com/Images/no1.gif[/img]

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    65. mb21 67 mb21 says:

      [img]http://sportsmaven.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/carlos-zambrano-pitches-no-hitter-9-14-08.jpg[/img]

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    66. mb21 68 mb21 says:

      [img]http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/alternatethumbnails/storygallery/2008-09/42371092-27094241.jpg[/img]

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    67. mb21 69 mb21 says:

      [img]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/525×330/502133.jpg[/img]

      test

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    68. WaLi 70 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      IE… sorry (dying laughing). I think java is enabled. Reply and quote works. OS is windows 7 here and windows xp at work.

      It worked originally but with the recent changes I haven’t been able to edit. I don’t care but there may be others. If someone else complains then maybe take a look at it (dying laughing)

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    69. mb21 71 mb21 says:

      [img]http://www.miniih.com/miniiblog/lov3izo/files/250×250.gif[/img]

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    70. 72 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      (dying laughing), DJ and Ryno, this Aldon Smith DUI mugshot is for you.

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    71. Mish 73 Mish says:

      I missed much of the convo today, what’s up with pictures?

      [img]http://www.talknerdytomelover.com/storage/fuck-you-i-am-cat.jpg[/img]

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    72. mb21 74 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      By recent do you mean since last night?

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    73. 75 Mercurial Outfielder says:

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    74. 76 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I think Mish is going to need a moment alone:

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    75. mb21 77 mb21 says:

      From what I can tell, the image thing works OK except for images that include something like this: 350×250(dot)jpg

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    76. josh 78 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      This is actually a spoiler for those of us waiting for season 4 to come out on Netflix.

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    77. GBTS 79 GBTS says:

      [img]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8981/picture11j.png[/img]

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    78. Rice Cube 80 Rice Cube says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Speaking of Z, it seems earlier that they gave his number to Jason Jaramillo.

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    79. mb21 81 mb21 says:

      @ josh:
      Sorry. Didn’t even think about that.

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    80. GBTS 82 GBTS says:

      @ josh:
      He was okay.

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    81. josh 84 josh says:

      @ mb21:

      Thanks, bro. You can be my wingman anytime.

      @ GBTS:

      So they improved a game since last time! Moving up the ladder.

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    82. Rice Cube 85 Rice Cube says:

      mb21 wrote:

      http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/RLYW/comments/cairo_2012_v0.5_and_more_somewhat_useless_projected_standings

      71 wins? That’s more optimistic than my prediction of 70. (dying laughing)

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    83. Rizzo the Rat 86 ACT says:

      http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20589/nl-central-showdown-position-rankings
      NL Central ratings, position-by-position.

      Surprising: The Brewers still look pretty good.
      Less surprising: Cubs are still one of the worst teams in a weak division.

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    84. mb21 87 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’m still stumped by Oliver’s 84 win projection.

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    85. Rice Cube 88 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      Yeah, but that was before they got rid of DeWitt, right?

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    86. josh 89 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      They have a gullible guy that works in their office who they’re trying to win some money off of.

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    87. Rizzo the Rat 90 ACT says:

      @ mb21:
      Obviously, the Cubs are better than you think. I mean, what’s the point of having a projection system if it doesn’t yield surprising insights every now and then?

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    88. Rice Cube 91 Rice Cube says:

      [img]http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bang.jpg[/img]

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    89. mb21 92 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      Good point.

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    90. josh 93 josh says:

      On Soto’s good years, he’s been really good. Casto could improve more than expected. There are some glimmers of hope.

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    91. mb21 94 mb21 says:

      [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fXAAhJQDT3w/TzHPole1FfI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/kBhMQONOnE0/s400/Smarge+shirt.jpg[/img]
      (dying laughing)

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    92. Rice Cube 95 Rice Cube says:

      [img]http://i.imgur.com/0x4ZD.gif[/img]

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    93. WaLi 97 WaLi says:

      Mobile site looks great. Only issue is that the names are so good they got cut short, especially when the is a +1. Not a big deal for short banners

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    94. WaLi 98 WaLi says:

      Mobile site looks great. Only issue is that the names are so good they got cut short, especially when the is a +1. Not a big deal for short names

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    95. mb21 99 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      I noticed that yesterday too.

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    96. mb21 100 mb21 says:

      At some point I’ll look into.

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    97. mb21 101 mb21 says:

      (dying laughing) @ this: the names are so good they got cut short

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    98. mb21 102 mb21 says:

      Mish wrote:

      PECOTA is here
      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15992

      Hayden Simpson’s projected ERA is 7.58 with the Cubs.

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    99. Suburban kid 103 Suburban kid says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Hayden Simpson’s projected ERA is Doh! with the Cubs

      .

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    100. Rizzo the Rat 104 ACT says:

      @ mb21:
      Considering that he was getting clobbered by teenagers in Rookie ball last year, that sounds very optimistic.

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    101. mb21 105 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

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    102. GBTS 106 GBTS says:

      Mish wrote:

      PECOTA is here

      [img]http://iradeutchman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dsc00504.jpg[/img]

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    103. mb21 107 mb21 says:

      there’s a new voting thing. It may turn colors at a certain point.

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    104. mb21 108 mb21 says:

      It will turn after 4, 8 and 12.

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    105. Rizzo the Rat 109 ACT says:

      Neat. I got the first green comment, and I only voted for myself once!

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    106. Rice Cube 110 Rice Cube says:

      You’re doing this in the default WordPress style sheet right? It’s really bloody annoying because not everything is documented well, so I just kept changing stuff until it looked semi-presentable.

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    107. Rice Cube 111 Rice Cube says:

      I also see that we can no longer vote for ourselves. Cracking down on voter fraud!

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    108. Rice Cube 112 Rice Cube says:

      [img]http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/reuters-a-j-burnett.jpeg?w=320[/img]

      Inverted W alert.

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    109. Rizzo the Rat 113 ACT says:

      I only did it that one time to test the new color system.

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    110. mb21 114 mb21 says:

      I’ve set it to ignore +/- so whether it’s +4 or -4 it’s highlighted the same.

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    111. Rice Cube 115 Rice Cube says:

      [img]http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexperts/quiz27.jpg[/img]

      There’s so much torque on that arm I’m surprised it never broke off. Rest in peace, Quiz.

      Similarly, I recall that a left-handed pitcher (can’t remember exactly who) broke his arm mid-delivery due to the excessive torque being placed on his arm. He released the pitch and fell to the ground clutching the arm. I guess that’s what happens when you make such an unnatural motion with your arm.

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    112. Rizzo the Rat 116 ACT says:

      Bryan LaHair’s projected FRAA at 1B is -11. And that’s not even for a full season (350 PA).

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    113. Rizzo the Rat 117 ACT says:

      And somehow Starlin’s projected FRAA is 6.

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    114. mb21 118 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Dave Drevecky?

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    115. WaLi 119 WaLi says:

      Names look good now

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    116. Suburban kid 120 Suburban kid says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I didn’t realize Chad Fox was a lefty.

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    117. Rice Cube 121 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I’m not sure. It was sometime between 1995 and 2005 if that helps (dying laughing)

      The imagery is a lot more vivid than the names or the time/date.

      I read the Wiki on Dravecky and it wasn’t him…sounds like his arm troubles were because of a tumor. This guy I’m thinking of, you could actually hear the field mike record the “pop” when his arm snapped. It wasn’t at a horrible angle or anything, but you could tell he was in pain.

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    118. Aisle424 122 Aisle424 says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Dave Drevecky?

      It was Dravecky, and his bones were also more brittle due to the cancer.

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    119. 123 Names says:

      WaLi wrote:

      Names look good now

      [img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll3rstqWSJ1qde8aao1_400.gif[/img]

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    120. Aisle424 124 Aisle424 says:

      He had been diagnosed, gone through treatment and was making a comeback and his arm snapped on a pitch that was audible. Players on the field said they had trouble not throwing up when they realized what had happened.

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    121. mb21 125 mb21 says:

      I think you are thinking about Dravecky. That’s the only one I ever remember in which you could hear it pop. I seem to remember Dravecky saying it was like a shotgun had gone off next to his ear. Or maybe it was a teammate or coach. It was loud.

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    122. Aisle424 126 Aisle424 says:

      The snap was audible, not the pitch.

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    123. mb21 127 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Yeah, it was from the cancer, but it broke in half. MLB probably doesn’t even allow that to be on youtube.

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    124. Rice Cube 128 Rice Cube says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Ooooh, that sucks. Maybe I’m remembering a replay a decade later of that incident, but I could swear it was a different lefty pitcher. Wiki says his entire arm was amputated. Cancer sucks.

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    125. mb21 129 mb21 says:

      I think his arm broke a second time when he celebrating or something.

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    126. Rice Cube 131 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      The funny thing was that I knew his first name started with a T and last name with an S, but it wasn’t Tanyon Sturtze (dying laughing)

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    127. Berselius 132 Berselius says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I didn’t realize Chad Fox was a lefty.

      Rice Cube wrote:

      @ mb21:
      I’m not sure. It was sometime between 1995 and 2005 if that helps (dying laughing)
      The imagery is a lot more vivid than the names or the time/date.
      I read the Wiki on Dravecky and it wasn’t him…sounds like his arm troubles were because of a tumor. This guy I’m thinking of, you could actually hear the field mike record the “pop” when his arm snapped. It wasn’t at a horrible angle or anything, but you could tell he was in pain.

      IIRC people said they could hear it when Chad Fox’s elbow exploded a few years ago too, though obviously not as horrible as Dravecky’s injury. His elbow was held together by half a dozen pins and duct tape at that point, it was amazing that he could even get the ball to the plate.

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    128. bubblesdachimp 133 bubblesdachimp says:

      I want to keep Vitters for one more year…

      Also Keith laws rankings for organizations are out. We are #20

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    129. Berselius 134 Berselius says:

      Klaw has his farm system rankings up (insider required). Wonder where the Cubs grade out with him (I’m guessing in the low 20s).

      http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story?id=7547640

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    130. josh 135 josh says:

      They say sidearming is actually easier on your arm than overhand.

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    131. Berselius 136 Berselius says:

      bubblesdachimp wrote:

      I want to keep Vitters for one more year…
      Also Keith laws rankings for organizations are out. We are #20

      Nevermind (dying laughing). I was pretty close.

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    132. Berselius 137 Berselius says:

      josh wrote:

      They say sidearming is actually easier on your arm than overhand.

      It could be worse on your elbow, but it’s definitely better on your shoulder.

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    133. Rice Cube 138 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      The way that Quiz’s arm looks from that camera angle is really awkward. I think the same was true for other sidearmers like Chad Bradford. From the CF camera it looks fine, but looking from the side, it looks really stressful on that elbow joint.

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    134. josh 139 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      That’s a horrifying video there. I recommend watching this one instead:

      http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/22430796/johnson-smashes-bird.htm

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    135. Rice Cube 140 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      Haha…I think Jeff Kent picked the bird up from the on-deck circle and offered it to RJ but he wasn’t amused.

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    136. mb21 141 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      That’s probably where I’d put them, but I don’t know nearly as much about the minor leagues as I did a few years ago.

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    137. Rice Cube 142 Rice Cube says:

      Arguing that drafting college players > high school players in order to snag eliteness:

      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/high-school-draftees-and-elite-seasons/

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    138. Berselius 143 Berselius says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ Berselius:
      That’s probably where I’d put them, but I don’t know nearly as much about the minor leagues as I did a few years ago.

      I still know next to nothing about the minor leagues outside the Cubs system beyond the fact that there are nothing but tumbleweeds in the White Sox, Astros, and Brewers farm systems.

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    139. mb21 145 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      College players fail less often, but high school players tend to have higher potential. At least that’s what I remember from the research I’ve read.

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    140. 146 Obstructed View says:

      testing twitter connect out

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