The Cubs were having a rather quiet offseason until December 23rd when they traded Sean Marshall. In a span of one month they’ve traded Marshall, DJ LeMahieu, Tyler Colvin, Carlos Zambrano, Andrew Cashner and Kyung-Min Ha. All of them except Ha were on the team’s 40-man roster. A new front office trading current players is nothing new.
On July 5, 2002 Jim Hendry was promoted to GM. At the deadline they traded Darren Lewis. A few weeks later they traded Tom Gordon and Jeff Fassero. At the beginning of September they traded Bill Meuller. In November Hendry traded for Paul Bako. He then traded Todd Hundley. As the season neared he released former top prospect Kevin Orie. In free agency he added Shawn Estes, Ramon Martinez, Troy O’Leary, Tom Goodwin, Mark Guthrie and Mike Remlinger. The 2003 Cubs were significantly different than the 2002 team.
New executives tear bad teams apart and that’s what we’ve seen Theo and Jed doing. Let’s briefly go over the trades again.
On December 8th the Cubs traded Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu to the Rockies for Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers. LeMahieu and Colvin are more than likely nothing more than back-ups, but Stewart does have some upside. I wouldn’t call this trade a win for either team except to say the Cubs added more upside than they gave away.
The second trade occurred on December 21st, but wasn’t officially official until the 23rd. Sean Marshall was traded to the Reds for Travis Wood, Dave Sappelt and Ronald Torreyes. It was a great trade for the Cubs. Sean Marshall had a $6.5 million trade value and they received at least $20 million in value in return and possibly as much as $40-50 million. I still have no idea why the Reds would make this trade.
A few days ago the Cubs traded Carlos Zambrano to the Marlins for Chris Volstad. I’m not the biggest fan of this trade. I figured there was as much chance of Zambrano being a Cub next year as there was that I’d be the starting pitcher on Opening Day, but Volstad just doesn’t impress me. Aside from his 2008 rookie season he’s been pretty bad. He gives up home runs like people give out candy on Halloween. That’s not likely to improve in the hitter friendly Wrigley. He does keep the ball on the ground, but it seems every time it’s in the air it’s a home run. Let’s hope for a 100% ground ball rate. That being said, the money is a wash and the Cubs got something for someone who teams had little interest in.
Yesterday the Cubs completed a trade sending Andrew Cashner and minor leaguer Kyung-Min Ha to the Padres for Anthony Rizzo and minor league Zach Cates. I like this trade a lot more today than I did yesterday. There was very little chance that Cashner was going to be used as a starter and even if he did it’s not like we can count on him to make even 20 starts. He has become a relief pitcher at this point so getting an every day player who is much younger and has more upside is nothing but a good thing.
In the meantime the Cubs have reportedly maintained interest in re-signing Kerry Wood, but before they can sign him they would have to remove someone from the 40-man roster. The most likely candidate would be one of the three left-handed relievers with little to no experience. Jeff Beliveau was added to the roster this offseason so that’s out. John Gaub and Scott Maine are the other two so I would think one of them would be taken off if they signed Wood. Or they could make another trade.
At this point there’s no reason at all to keep Matt Garza. Keep negotiating with multiple teams as I assume they are still doing and at some point I expect them to accept the best offer. I also expect the Cubs to trade an outfielder as they have 7 of them on the 40-man. They cannot trade Reed Johnson or David DeJesus as each were signed to free agent contracts this offseason. There’s little to no chance that they would trade Matt Szczur. That leaves Marlon Byrd, Alfonso Soriano, Tony Campana and Dave Sappelt. I can’t imagine they’d trade Sappelt as he’s valuable simply because he’s a cost-controlled player. They’d love to trade Soriano, but is any team going to take him? He has almost no value at all. I’d bet that Byrd gets traded yet this offseason, which will open a spot for Brett Jackson when he’s ready to be called up.
The Cubs have built themselves a very good and young offensive core to build around in the future. Brett Jackson is only 23 and is already the best outfielder in the Cubs organization. Anthony Rizzo had a disappointing rookie season, but he still has a great deal of potential. At just 22 years old he has a chance to be a middle of the order hitter for this team for many years. Starlin Castro is probably better than both of them and he’s also the youngest of the group.
If this group can develop as we hope and remain prison-free, the Cubs have a very good offensive core. We may soon see a lineup that includes the three of them at the top. Brett Jackson has more power than your typical leadoff hitter, but he gets on base an awful lot. He makes the pitcher work and has a lot of 5 and 6 pitch at-bats. He has plus speed so he can move himself into scoring position without help. Castro is more of a number 2 hitter even though he hit third a lot last year. He could develop into a legitimat middle of the order hitter. Rizzo has the potential to be a number 3 hitter. I expect we’ll see a lot of Jackson, Castro, Rizzo combinations in the order in the future. Hopefully they can all develop into middle of the order threats.
There is not this kind of young and talented core to build around when it comes to the pitching staff though. Dillon Maples may be the best pitcher in the organization and he hasn’t even thrown a professional pitch yet. Trey McNutt is the second best. Both of them may actually profile better as relievers. The good news is that there are several very good starting pitchers who will soon become free agents so the Cubs can begin to acquire top shelf pitching prospects and add veterans for the time being.
Ummmm, you left out the two most important things, ever: leadership and clubhouse environment.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Ummmm, you left out the two most important things, ever: leadership and clubhouse environment.[/quote]I’ve got a 9-part series coming about those two qualities. Part 1 is about looking people in the face and yelling at them to do something the correct way. It’s efficient, looks awesome, and provides great exercise for one’s vocal chords. Part 2 is tentatively titled What Would Koyie Do?
[quote name=mb21]I’ve got a 9-part series coming about those two qualities. Part 1 is about looking people in the face and yelling at them to do something the correct way. It’s efficient, looks awesome, and provides great exercise for one’s vocal chords. Part 2 is tentatively titled What Would Koyie Do?[/quote]Part 3: How to Lead From the Front While Getting Thrown Out of a Game in Which You are Not Even Playing.
I keep hearing that Rizzo had a “power surge” at AAA. It’s just not true. But as they are wont to do, the writers ignore doubles when talking about young players with power.
how does maples profile as anything at this point?
I think the last paragraph perfectly describes the reasons why the Cubs probably DO have some interest to keep Garza.
Without Garza, the starting rotation lacks anyone at all who could potentially be #1 or #2 starter. If they can’t get an almost-MLB-ready top pitching prospect back in return, there’s no real point in trading him at all. And as of now, I feel the chances they will be able pull off a deal like that seems doubtful.
So far you have to like what has been done.
[quote name=dylanj]how does maples profile as anything at this point?[/quote]I’m assuming scouts have seen him pitch before.
Baseball America has mentioned it and so did Sickels, DJ.
[quote name=DamageControlFreak]I think the last paragraph perfectly describes the reasons why the Cubs probably DO have some interest to keep Garza.
Without Garza, the starting rotation lacks anyone at all who could potentially be #1 or #2 starter. If they can’t get an almost-MLB-ready top pitching prospect back in return, there’s no real point in trading him at all. And as of now, I feel the chances they will be able pull off a deal like that seems doubtful.[/quote]That’s a really good point. I guess it depends on how quickly they want to contend.
Nice.
[quote name=mb21]That’s a really good point. I guess it depends on how quickly they want to contend.[/quote]I think it could go either way.
(dying laughing)
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Ummmm, you left out the two most important things, ever: leadership and clubhouse environment.[/quote]I heard Ryan Theriot hasn’t signed yet…
[quote name=ACT]I heard Ryan Theriot hasn’t signed yet…[/quote]Too bad the Rays are interested in him.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Nice.[/quote]Well, it’s true. I speak the truth. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]That’s a really good point. I guess it depends on how quickly they want to contend.[/quote]I think this is why we see rumors of trades involving turner and drabek. Soriano or Byrd is traded this week or next but Garza won’t be until after Darvish signs.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Too bad the Rays are interested in him.[/quote]Friedman can do no wrong.
Whether Garza is here at the begining is up in the air and will just be if other teams are willing to pay for him. I think Theo and co. want to trade him this offseason since the FA class for next season is simply daunting. Garza probably wont fetch too much value when compared to the likes of Hamels and Cain (FA next season) that wont cost clubs top pitching prospects. That’s why i think we will either trade or extend Garza this offseason or possibly during the season. Maybe im naive but I think this club has a chance to contend for one of the two wild card spots, or even the division depending on how things shake out, in 2013 and almost assuredly in 2014. Then again it will all depend on how these moves and prospects progress.
This is nerdy:
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/7/2685270/progs-the-pronunciation-guide-for-sabermetricians
Except for WAR, SIERA and BABIP, I usually just spell out the acronym. Didn’t know there was a method to it (dying laughing)
[quote name=Rice Cube]I am nerdy:
[/quote]Don’t be so hard on yourself.
[quote name=Rice Cube]This is nerdy:
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/7/2685270/progs-the-pronunciation-guide-for-sabermetricians
Except for WAR, SIERA and BABIP, I usually just spell out the acronym. Didn’t know there was a method to it (dying laughing)[/quote]There was a comment thread on Fangraphs a couple years ago about this. I didn’t read this article yet, but it sound similar. Off the top of my head I can only think of a few stats where I say the acronym. OBP obviously. I just say slugging. FIP is like dip. wOBA is a word for me. ERA is an acronym.
How do you pronounce WAR? For some reason I pronounce it in a way that rhymes with car.
I’ve always thought “WAR” rhymes with “far,” distinguishing it from “war,” which rhymes with “for.”
Amazingly, I wrote that before I saw mb’s comment.
[quote name=andrew]Whether Garza is here at the begining is up in the air and will just be if other teams are willing to pay for him. I think Theo and co. want to trade him this offseason since the FA class for next season is simply daunting. Garza probably wont fetch too much value when compared to the likes of Hamels and Cain (FA next season) that wont cost clubs top pitching prospects. That’s why i think we will either trade or extend Garza this offseason or possibly during the season. Maybe im naive but I think this club has a chance to contend for one of the two wild card spots, or even the division depending on how things shake out, in 2013 and almost assuredly in 2014. Then again it will all depend on how these moves and prospects progress.[/quote]I figure even if some of the prospects progress as we hope it’s still going to be at least a few years before they’re really good players.
I think what you say about Garza makes a lot of sense.
Also I think Chris “Big V” Volstad is gonna be pretty good. I’m not too well versed in the advanced statistics, but my understanding is that HR/FB rates usually come down to the league average and Big V’s has been abnormally high and that has made his stats look worse than they should project to be and his ground ball rate and BB/9 have been getting progressively better. I guess the important thing is that I believe he will be a better pitcher over the next three years than Big Z will be.
On another note i like the combination of Rizzo and Sveum, Sveum was the hitting coach for another lefty first baseman with a big bat if i recall so that seems like it can only be a positve influence
Also, Tango is adamant that wOBA is pronounced like this:
You guys are probably correct. I say it like in the song.
WAR! Huh! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah…
[quote name=Suburban kid]Don’t be so hard on yourself.[/quote]I’m a nerd. And I’m proud.
[quote name=Rice Cube]I’m a nerd. And I’m proud.[/quote]
Is GBTS around? I need to find that Fozzie Bear gif where he facepalms and it says “FUCK”.
[quote name=ACT]I’ve always thought “WAR” rhymes with “far,” distinguishing it from “war,” which rhymes with “for.”[/quote]Same as you and mb. I never said “woh-bah” for wOBA, though, and it was annoying saying “weighted on base average or OBA”. To be fair though, I mostly use these words in type on the net so I will say it in my head however I like.
[quote name=Mish]Same as you and mb. I never said “woh-bah” for wOBA, though, and it was annoying saying “weighted on base average or OBA”. To be fair though, I mostly use these words in type on the net so I will say it in my head however I like.[/quote]Yeah, I don’t go around talking too much about wOBA or FIP. I don’t know anyone who is actually interested in the advanced stats like I am. I sometimes bore my wife with this shit. It’s mostly when I’m reading or typing. I also realized I don’t read it as OBP, but rather On-Base. I often catch myself typing that and then change it to OBP.
I like on-base average better than percentage because it’s more technically accurate. Same for slugging. I do say “winning percentage,” though, since “winning average” sounds terrible.
[quote name=mb21]Yeah, I don’t go around talking too much about wOBA or FIP. I don’t know anyone who is actually interested in the advanced stats like I am.[/quote]My friends now kinda get them, but only because I’ve been evangelizing advanced stats for years now. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]Yeah, I don’t go around talking too much about wOBA or FIP. I don’t know anyone who is actually interested in the advanced stats like I am. I sometimes bore my wife with this shit. It’s mostly when I’m reading or typing. I also realized I don’t read it as OBP, but rather On-Base. I often catch myself typing that and then change it to OBP.[/quote]It never comes up for me because I don’t go around talking like a faget.
Just to add, I’ve really learned a lot about those stats just by reading what you guys write. Actually, I’ve learned a lot about baseball in general by reading this site. I try to educate my bro and dad about these stats and they are huge baseball fans too so they are somewhat interested. I appreciate you guys explaining them so normal guys like myself can understand them because when I look them up myself, I’m clueless. So thanks for being nerds. (dying laughing)
Not sure if anybody’s mentioned this but the word is Cespedes’s price is coming down to roughly 4/32.
http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/2012/01/06/cespedes-still-on-marlins-radar/
If that’s the case I say fuck it, get him and Soler. Superfriends got the money and the reason to take the risk.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Not sure if anybody’s mentioned this but the word is Cespedes’s price is coming down to roughly 4/32.
http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/2012/01/06/cespedes-still-on-marlins-radar/
If that’s the case I say fuck it, get him and Soler. Superfriends got the money and the reason to take the risk.[/quote]
That would be hawt.
[quote name=Mucker]Just to add, I’ve really learned a lot about those stats just by reading what you guys write. Actually, I’ve learned a lot about baseball in general by reading this site. I try to educate my bro and dad about these stats and they are huge baseball fans too so they are somewhat interested. I appreciate you guys explaining them so normal guys like myself can understand them because when I look them up myself, I’m clueless. So thanks for being nerds. (dying laughing)[/quote]It’s a little known fact that Big Bang Theory is an adaptation of this blog with a few creative liberties.
[quote name=Aisle424]It’s a little known fact that Big Bang Theory is an adaptation of this blog with a few creative liberties.[/quote]False. This blog is actually funny.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]False. This blog is actually funny.[/quote]I like that show. It’s stupid and funny, which is just my speed.
[quote name=mb21]I like that show. It’s stupid and funny, which is just my speed.[/quote]I like it too. I’ve just started watching it in syndication. It’s not great edgy comedy, but it has some funny moments. Sheldon and Blossom (I don’t know her character’s name) crack me up.
[quote name=mb21]I like that show. It’s stupid and funny, which is just my speed.[/quote]It’s really not my thing.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]It’s really not my thing.[/quote]Don’t you like anything?
[quote name=Aisle424]Don’t you like anything?[/quote]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?[/quote]Not until I asked him if he knew who owned the Cubs.
[quote name=Aisle424]Not until I asked him if he knew who owned the Cubs.[/quote]No one can know that. Everyone knows this.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]No one can know that. Everyone knows this.[/quote]Everyone knows the unknowable!
So…who is at fault here?
[quote name=Aisle424]I like it too. I’ve just started watching it in syndication. It’s not great edgy comedy, but it has some funny moments. Sheldon and Blossom (I don’t know her character’s name) crack me up.[/quote]Amy Farrah Fowler. Those two crack me up. I kind of like all the characters. It’s one of those shows that’s just plain stupid, but it makes me laugh so I’m happy.
FML:
[quote name=mb21]Amy Farrah Fowler. Those two crack me up. I kind of like all the characters. It’s one of those shows that’s just plain stupid, but it makes me laugh so I’m happy.[/quote]Walter’s smarminess bugs me, but the scenes in his house with his mother are hysterical. The minor character who sounds like Elmer Fudd also bugs me and I’m glad he isn’t around much. Otherwise, they are all pretty likable.
[quote name=Aisle424]Walter’s smarminess bugs me, but the scenes in his house with his mother are hysterical. The minor character who sounds like Elmer Fudd also bugs me and I’m glad he isn’t around much. Otherwise, they are all pretty likable.[/quote]The scenes including his mother are fantastic, but even better is the occasional line from him said to the friends that reveals how freaking odd their relationship is. I’ve talked about the show with berselius before and I know he’s not a big fan either, but I like it.
[quote name=mb21]The scenes including his mother are fantastic, but even better is the occasional line from him said to the friends that reveals how freaking odd their relationship is. I’ve talked about the show with berselius before and I know he’s not a big fan either, but I like it.[/quote]I couldn’t place his mother’s voice, but knew I had heard it before, so I had to go to IMDB. Turns out she’s played by the woman who was the daughter of the unemployment office manager that George dates to extend his payments in the Keith Hernandez episodes.
/Cool story bro’d
[quote name=ACT]Also, Tango is adamant that wOBA is pronounced like this:
Awesome! Who would have thought Grover had an interest in “advanced” statistics.
[quote name=Aisle424]I like it too. I’ve just started watching it in syndication. It’s not great edgy comedy, but it has some funny moments. Sheldon and Blossom (I don’t know her character’s name) crack me up.[/quote]Same. I initially thought the show was stupid, but now that it’s on TBS I’ve even watching and enjoying it. I enjoy the characters.
[quote name=mb21]The scenes including his mother are fantastic, but even better is the occasional line from him said to the friends that reveals how freaking odd their relationship is. I’ve talked about the show with berselius before and I know he’s not a big fan either, but I like it.[/quote]
I hate the show with the fire of 10,000 suns, and that was even before I blamed it for killing Community.
Aside from the whole “person from group x hates shows about people from group x” thing (like how my doctor-y inlaws despise medical shows), the main thing that pissed me off about it was how much they pound the laugh track. I’m too used to watching single camera comedies these days. 30 Rock > all as far as network shows go.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I keep hearing that Rizzo had a “power surge” at AAA. It’s just not true. But as they are wont to do, the writers ignore doubles when talking about young players with power.[/quote]
??
2010 AAA: 467 PA, 30 2b, 20 HR, .481 SLG
2011 AAA: 413 PA, 34 2b, 26 HR, .652 SLG
I missed the boat during all the trade talk yesterday, but to me the sample sizes in Alonso’s and Rizzo’s MLB appearances are pretty much meaningleess. I like Rizzo a lot more than Alonso and love this deal. It’s been a real head-scratcher for the Padres this offseason.
Speaking of comedies I got Louie season 1 for xmas and love it. Fantastic show.
[quote name=Berselius]I hate the show with the fire of 10,000 suns, and that was even before I blamed it for killing Community.
Aside from the whole “person from group x hates shows about people from group x” thing (like how my doctor-y inlaws despise medical shows), the main thing that pissed me off about it was how much they pound the laugh track. I’m too used to watching single camera comedies these days. 30 Rock > all as far as network shows go.[/quote]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/01/06/community-not-canceled-season-3-nbc-joel-mchale_n_1189716.html
[quote name=DamageControlFreak]Awesome! Who would have thought Grover had an interest in “advanced” statistics.[/quote]The Count is also interested in numbers.
[quote name=bitc]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/01/06/community-not-canceled-season-3-nbc-joel-mchale_n_1189716.html[/quote]
win. I’d feel much better if there was a return date though. As was written roughly 1 billion times in ADWD, words are wind.
I love how NIck Cafardo is now the Cubs best beat writer
[quote name=Berselius] the main thing that pissed me off about it was how much they pound the laugh track. I’m too used to watching single camera comedies these days. 30 Rock > all as far as network shows go.[/quote]
THIS. I initially hated the show because of the laugh track. I hate being told when to laugh. (dying laughing)
I do enjoy the show now, but the laugh track still bothers me. I’m no genius, but I have a pretty good understanding of physics, mathematics, etc. and they use the laugh track on nerd jokes that I would not expect a typical “live studio audience’ to ever understand.
[quote name=Berselius]win. I’d feel much better if there was a return date though. As was written roughly 1 billion times in ADWD, words are wind.[/quote]
As long as no one throws up a new shit post (or whatever it’s called), this thread has a chance of being the nerdiest to every happen to this blog.
I’m not a fan of BBT, but it doesn’t have a laugh track. It’s filmed in front of a live studio audience. Laugh tracks (i.e., pre-recorded laughter) tend to be less raucous.
[quote name=Mish]THIS. I initially hated the show because of the laugh track. I hate being told when to laugh. (dying laughing)
I do enjoy the show now, but the laugh track still bothers me. I’m no genius, but I have a pretty good understanding of physics, mathematics, etc. and they use the laugh track on nerd jokes that I would not expect a typical “live studio audience’ to ever understand.[/quote]
I don’t really care about math/physics jokes all that much, the characters’ nerdiness just seems too off-kilter personality-wise from all the nerds I know (though not quite as blatantly as Napoleon Dynamite, which I despised 10x more than BBT). I know they’re just characters but it’s something I can’t get over.
[quote name=ACT]I’m not a fan of BBT, but it doesn’t have a laugh track. It’s filmed in front of a live studio audience. Laugh tracks (i.e., pre-recorded laughter) tend to be less raucous.[/quote]
Well, presumably a live studio audience with an applause sign. Those people laugh every two seconds.
[quote name=ACT]I’m not a fan of BBT, but it doesn’t have a laugh track. It’s filmed in front of a live studio audience. Laugh tracks (i.e., pre-recorded laughter) tend to be less raucous.[/quote]
WHatever. I’m just refering to laughter on the show. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Berselius]I don’t really care about math/physics jokes all that much, the characters’ nerdiness just seems too off-kilter personality-wise from all the nerds I know (though not quite as blatantly as Napoleon Dynamite, which I despised 10x more than BBT). I know they’re just characters but it’s something I can’t get over.[/quote]Yeah an initial complaint of mine was that, as a nerd, they did not represent me or those of my kind. But it filled that hole in nightly TV lineup called “Tuesdays” prior to the NBA season returning.
I think any time a show is about a familiar subject it’s going to piss you off. If they did a show about late night janitors at peep shows Mish is going to be disappointed it doesn’t more accurately reflect reality.
[quote name=mb21] I also realized I don’t read it as OBP, but rather On-Base. I often catch myself typing that and then change it to OBP.[/quote]
In a British review of the movie Moneyball, they called it “at base figures”.
[quote name=mb21] If they did a show about late night janitors at peep shows Mish is going to be disappointed it doesn’t more accurately reflect reality.[/quote]
There’s a certain grit to the environment that wouldn’t be readily re-creatable on screen.
[quote name=Mish]There’s a certain grit to the environment that wouldn’t be readily re-creatable on screen.[/quote]
[quote name=Suburban kid]Don’t be so hard on yourself.[/quote]
Don’t tell him what to do.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]FML:[/quote]
If this happens [Note: Original post said Bears might hire Ruskell to replace Angelo], I will very seriously consider changing my allegiance to the Packers. I went to school in Wisco, my family owns some land up there, fuck it. There is no reason to blindly follow an organization that makes such stupid decisions.
Question: Does that make me a bad fan? I’ve never left the Cubs…
I don’t think it makes you a bad fan at all.
[quote name=Steve Swisher]If this happens [Note: Original post said Bears might hire Ruskell to replace Angelo], I will very seriously consider changing my allegiance to the Packers. I went to school in Wisco, my family owns some land up there, fuck it. There is no reason to blindly follow an organization that makes such stupid decisions.
Question: Does that make me a bad fan? I’ve never left the Cubs…[/quote]I think bad fans are assholes who boo every mistake and/or hurl insults and racist garbage at players on the team for which they profess to be rooting.
Fans that make rational choices in the face of groin-grabbingly stupid front office decisions are just acting with rational self-interest.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
[/quote]Can’t I be a nerd and still be socially “ept”?
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I think bad fans are assholes who boo every mistake and/or hurl insults and racist garbage at players on the team for which they profess to be rooting.
Fans that make rational choices in the face of groin-grabbingly stupid front office decisions are just acting with rational self-interest.[/quote]
Thanks for the input — good to know. There’s something so infuriating about the Bears’ bull-headed stupidity and inability to acknowledge that they might be wrong. They’re positively Costanza-esque in this regard. And they seem like dicks, too — would you want to hang out with, say, Ted Phillips? Mike McCaskey?
[quote name=Rice Cube]Can’t I be a nerd and still be socially “ept”?[/quote]No. Can’t you read a Venn diagram?
[quote name=Steve Swisher]Thanks for the input — good to know. There’s something so infuriating about the Bears’ bull-headed stupidity and inability to acknowledge that they might be wrong. They’re positively Costanza-esque in this regard. And they seem like dicks, too — would you want to hang out with, say, Ted Phillips? Mike McCaskey?[/quote]Yeah. It seems to me there’s a power struggle going on. Phillips and George McCaskey seem to want an outsider, but Ruskell is one of Lovie’s Guys, and Lovie wields a lot of power at Halas Hall. If I was a betting man, I’d put everything on the pressure to hire Ruskell coming from Lovie’s camp, and the resistance is coming from Phillips and George, who want to get some checks and balances back in place.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Can’t I be a nerd and still be socially “ept”?[/quote]Asking that question could be considered socially inept.
[quote name=Suburban kid]Asking that question could be considered socially inept.[/quote]I suppose that depends on what one means by “inept.”
[quote name=ACT]No. Can’t you read a Venn diagram?[/quote]I don’t believe in your fagety Venn diagrams.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I suppose that depends on what one means by [/quote]
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[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yeah. It seems to me there’s a power struggle going on. Phillips and George McCaskey seem to want an outsider, but Ruskell is one of Lovie’s Guys, and Lovie wields a lot of power at Halas Hall. If I was a betting man, I’d put everything on the pressure to hire Ruskell coming from Lovie’s camp, and the resistance is coming from Phillips and George, who want to get some checks and balances back in place.[/quote]How can Lovie hold that much power? If he pushes too far to the point where they aren’t running their own team anymore, they fire him. This isn’t a situation where there are multiple championships or a Ditka-esque fascination to keep the fans happy. Hell, More than half the fans want Lovie gone anyway and would welcome it.
I don’t buy how that is possible. The only reason he is still here is because the McCaskeys like him. If he pulls a coup, I bet they don’t like him as much anymore and then there is nothing protecting him from the unemployment line.
[quote name=Suburban kid]
True[/quote]
Well, to my mind he’s a lame duck anyway. A new GM not named Ruskell will want his own coach. I have a suspicion that this is part of why this move was made. IMO, George is not part of the McCaskey family groupthink
Just to clarify, my gif reference was to pedantic disputes of the meanings of short words that begin with the letter “i”, not ineptitude.
/total nerd
[quote name=Suburban kid]Just to clarify, my gif reference was to pedantic disputes of the meanings of short words that begin with the letter “i”, not ineptitude.
/total nerd[/quote]You Jack Benny scholars are all the same.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
[/quote](dying laughing) I’m not sure I even understand but (dying laughing)
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]You Jack Benny scholars are all the same.[/quote]
Congratulations on the grant you got for your museum, RC
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Around_the_World/2012-01-02/24145/Flop_Idols_
al yellon is the internet version of george castle.
[quote name=wpbc]al yellon is the internet version of a sloppy wet turd.[/quote].
[quote name=Suburban kid]Congratulations on the grant you got for your museum, RC
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Around_the_World/2012-01-02/24145/Flop_Idols_/quote
It will only be successful if it flops.
so is the cubs payroll currently somewhere between $95 and $100 million? It would appear they still habve some coin to spend. I wonder if they go hard after cespedes.
a core of castro (if he stays out of prison system), cespedes, jackson and rizzo would be exciting to watch develop.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]
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not making this up. i was attacked by a nest of wasps as a kid. bad experience..
(i know that explains alot, (dying laughing))
[quote name=wpbc]so is the cubs payroll currently somewhere between $95 and $100 million? It would appear they still habve some coin to spend. I wonder if they go hard after cespedes.[/quote]
You’re forgetting the $127 million combined they’re paying on Carlos Silva’s contract and Ramirez’s option
[quote name=wpbc]so is the cubs payroll currently somewhere between $95 and $100 million? It would appear they still habve some coin to spend. I wonder if they go hard after cespedes.[/quote]I’d be shocked if they spend any more cash, unless it comes in the form of eating part of Sori’s deal in a trade.
Good write up by Stark of this year’s HOF class.
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=7434381
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’d be shocked if they spend any more cash, unless it comes in the form of eating part of Sori’s deal in a trade.[/quote]
They’re already eating that money. They don’t pay the whole amount up front.
[quote name=Berselius]They’re already eating that money. They don’t pay the whole amount up front.[/quote]Nerd.
Would Soriano take a buyout?
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Would Soriano take a buyout?[/quote]
Would you ask Tom Petty that question?
[quote name=Berselius]Would you ask Tom Petty that question?[/quote]He consented when he took his clothes off.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]He consented when he took his clothes off.[/quote](dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
I’m sorry to hear about your wife’s infidelities, Aisley.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8982958/99-year-old-divorces-wife-after-he-discovered-1940s-affair.html
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Would Soriano take a buyout?[/quote]I’ve kind of thought that’s what would happen since the season ended. I see no reason whatsoever for the Cubs to enter the year with him. He’s not 1 of the 3 best outfielders and probably isn’t even among the 5 best.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]He consented when he took his clothes off.[/quote](dying laughing) According to that person predators should always attack right before their victim enters the shower. Consent!
[quote name=Suburban kid]I’m sorry to hear about your wife’s infidelities, Aisley.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8982958/99-year-old-divorces-wife-after-he-discovered-1940s-affair.html/quote
Thanks, Subby. That cheating bitch really ruined the holidays for me.
[quote name=mb21]I’ve kind of thought that’s what would happen since the season ended. I see no reason whatsoever for the Cubs to enter the year with him. He’s not 1 of the 3 best outfielders and probably isn’t even among the 5 best.[/quote]Yeah, I really don’t see him on the team, given the moves that have been made.
I’m amazed Phil Simms is this articulate with his mouth full of Tebow’s genetic material.
No passing game = no running game.
Seems I spoke too soon…Tebow actually completed a pass, barring a challenge.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Seems I spoke too soon…Tebow actually completed a pass, barring a challenge.[/quote]
False.Correct.
(dying laughing) Silly Tebow.
First TD in 22 drives. Wow.
tebow!!!!!!!
Royal only gets one foot in, still a TD. When will Tebow stop getting every break?
Tim Tebow is the worst QB i’ve ever seen. Every ball that leaves his hand looks like a dying quail.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]tebow is still terrible!!!!!!![/quote].
[quote name=Mish]First TD in 22 drives. Wow.[/quote]But the Tebow defenders will doubtlessly trot some inane “he just wins” bullshit to answer you. It’s pointless to try and reason with the legion of sheeple this fucking fullback drags in his wake.
Choosing between Tebow and a rapist is hard… Wait no it isn’t. Go Steelers.
That was an unexpected Tebow pass.
WOUNDED QUAIL ALERT
COLLEGE OFFENSE SUCCEEDS. YAY PARITY. COME WITNESS THE DEATH OF THE NFL, ALL YE WHO REMEMBER SKILLED PLAYERS.
(dying laughing) (dying laughing)
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]COLLEGE OFFENSE SUCCEEDS. YAY PARITY. COME WITNESS THE DEATH OF THE NFL, ALL YE WHO REMEMBER SKILLED PLAYERS.[/quote]Hey, whatever works right (dying laughing)
THe NFL will be the NHL in 10 years. No one will watch 17 weeks of this amateur hour bullshit.
It’s still hilarious to me that Denver is hosting this game.
[quote name=Mish]It’s still hilarious to me that Denver is hosting this game.[/quote]I’m telling, parity killed the NFL. It started 10 years ago, and this is the first of the ugly mess bubbling up. It’s downhill from here. In 10 years, NFL and NCAAFB will be indistinguishable. Just a bunch of guys running around.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]COLLEGE OFFENSE SUCCEEDS. YAY PARITY. COME WITNESS THE DEATH OF THE NFL, ALL YE WHO REMEMBER SKILLED PLAYERS.[/quote]
Or it could be that the injury-ravaged Steelers are simply having a bad game.
I’m sure Tom Brady will restore order to the NFL universe next week.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]
I’m sure Tom Brady will restore order to the NFL universe next week.[/quote]
Let us pray.
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Or it could be that the injury-ravaged Steelers are simply having a bad game.
I’m sure Tom Brady will restore order to the NFL universe next week.[/quote]That Pats defense is pretty bad.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Let us pray.[/quote]
For reals, I could give a shit about the NFL.
Call me if Tebow dons a pair of batting gloves.
Ugly. just so, so ugly.
Trent Dilfer must be relieved. He’s no longer the worst QB to win a playoff game.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Trent Dilfer must be relieved. He’s no longer the worst QB to win a playoff game.[/quote]
Don’t forget about Sexy Rexy.
[quote name=Rodrigo]Don’t forget about Sexy Rexy.[/quote]He’s better than either Tebow or Dilfer.
Pittsburgh has 13 minutes to score twice and stop falling for Tebow voodoo.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Pittsburgh has 13 minutes to score twice and stop falling for Tebow voodoo.[/quote]I’m not hopeful. They’ve shat away chances to take control of this game too many times.
Well this is fun. Let’s see if the Pitt D can stop them once more.
[quote name=Mish]Well this is fun. Let’s see if the Pitt D can stop them once more.[/quote]Nothing can stop Tebow Magic.
Are they really trying the 70-yard FG?!
[quote name=Rice Cube]Are they really trying the 70-yard FG?![/quote]Nope, just a stupid sack.
First game with OT rules changed.
(dying laughing) @ Denver
Wow.
That was pathetic defense. Denver wins. Wow.
Wow.
God smiles upon his golden disciple.
DEN is now saddled with Tebow as their franchise QB. (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)
Elway probably died inside a little.
[quote name=Mish]Elway probably died inside a little.[/quote]He’s probably never felt worse after a win. He’s stuck with a QB that can’t throw.
What’s up with the page loads here lately? Much slower than usual.
[quote name=GBTS]
[/quote]God held him back, like the waters of the Red Sea. Duh.
Tebow is amazing
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Tebow is amazing[/quote]He’s awful. He a good game on the back of 6 throws, two of which were made on the legs of Demaryius Thomas. Watch the game without the SEC blinders one, bubs.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]He’s awful. He a good game on the back of 6 throws, two of which were made on the legs of Demaryius Thomas. Watch the game without the SEC blinders one, bubs.[/quote]no blinders. all he does is win. He is a great person too
How would you like this, MO?
http://www.csnchicago.com/01/08/12/Are-Cutler-Marshall-open-to-reuniting/mobile_landing.html?blockID=627274&feedID=661
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]no blinders. all he does is win. He is a great person too[/quote]Oh, fucking spare that nebulous bullshit. Just wins my fucking ass. He’ll be out of the NFL in 5 years.
[quote name=Rodrigo]How would you like this, MO?
http://www.csnchicago.com/01/08/12/Are-Cutler-Marshall-open-to-reuniting/mobile_landing.html?blockID=627274&feedID=661/quoteOh, man. A thousand times, yes. But I doubt MIA wants to move him and the Bears prob don’t want to use a bunch of picks to get one guy when the team has several holes to fill.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Oh, fucking spare that nebulous bullshit. Just wins my fucking ass. He’ll be out of the NFL in 5 years.[/quote]i dont think he will. i think he will be a top 5 qb within 5 years. all he knows how to do is win
[quote name=Rodrigo]How would you like this, MO?
http://www.csnchicago.com/01/08/12/Are-Cutler-Marshall-open-to-reuniting/mobile_landing.html?blockID=627274&feedID=661/quotei read san diesgo isnt going to franchise vincent jackson.. him and cutty would be amazeballs
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]i dont think he will. i think he will be a top 5 running back within 5 years. all he knows how to do is win[/quote]
I can see this happening.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]i think he will be a top 5 qb within 5 years. [/quote]
Tebow seems like he’s football’s version of a pitcher with a weird wind-up. Guys like Dontrelle and Nomo were really good for brief periods, but they weren’t doing anything extra special, just doing it weirdly that nobody had seen before.
Then the leagues figured them out. The league will eventually figure Tebow out. Hell the Bears did for 3 quarters and then started playing off the receivers. Fast teams that can spy Tebow and keep his running in check will beat him.
He’s smart and has good vision and he’s tough, so he won’t crumble, but he is not a Top 5 QB. You have to be able to pass accurately to be a Top 5 QB.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Oh, fucking spare that nebulous bullshit. Just wins my fucking ass. He’ll be out of the NFL in 5 years.[/quote]
I think I found someone who hates Tebow more then I do.
I can’t honestly take a QB seriously with that type of amateur arm action. He looks like a kicker trying to throw the ball.
He won’t be any more than third string in 2 years.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]He’s probably never felt worse after a win. He’s stuck with a QB that can’t throw.[/quote]
Eh, I don’t think so. Tebow was one more shit pass away from getting yanked for Quinn at the beginning of the second quarter. When push comes to shove, I don’t think Elway or Fox gives a fuck.
But regardless of long-term efficacy the Tebow circus works in Denver’s favor as it buys them much needed time to continue to build the rest of the team. And since Tebow is the fans’ choice, they own what happens with him to an extent, so if/when he ultimately fails, it’s on them, they were the ones who fucking wanted him so bad. In the meantime, the Broncos can adopt a Ravens approach to building and go hard after defense and a playmaking young RB without spending picks trying to find a QB for the time being.
So really, Elway should be thrilled. He has the next best thing to a franchise-changing QB: a bad QB fans are willing to lay down in traffic for.
This Tebow fellow seems quite the enigma.
The more I have been thinking about it but a young core of
Rizzo, Brett Jackson, and Starlin Castro is a pretty good start.
Not to mention if one of our Ian Stewart, Travis Wood, and Chris Volstad lottery tickets hit…
I couldn’t care less if Tebow is or isn’t a good QB, but the idea that he’s a good person is what bothers me. What information is this based on? Only what the media has told us. We don’t know shit about Tim Tebow.
[quote name=mb21]I couldn’t care less if Tebow is or isn’t a good QB, but the idea that he’s a good person is what bothers me. What information is this based on? Only what the media has told us. We don’t know shit about Tim Tebow.[/quote]I’m pretty sure that part is at least true, MB. (dying laughing)
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7441157/chicago-cubs-kerry-wood-agree-new-deal
[quote name=mb21]I couldn’t care less if Tebow is or isn’t a good QB, but the idea that he’s a good person is what bothers me. What information is this based on? Only what the media has told us. We don’t know shit about Tim Tebow.[/quote]
I dont know MB. The amount of charity work he does and all the other shit point to him being as close to a perfect human as possible. If he did anything wrong ever we would know about it
[quote name=mb21]I couldn’t care less if Tebow is or isn’t a good QB, but the idea that he’s a good person is what bothers me. What information is this based on? Only what the media has told us. We don’t know shit about Tim Tebow.[/quote]I went to High School with him… kind of… he was home schooled. But I can tell you second hand (since I didn’t really hang out with him) that he is a good person.
[quote name=mb21]http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7441157/chicago-cubs-kerry-wood-agree-new-deal[/quote]
Sounds like Ricketts fucked up a bit by telling Wood last winter he would have a job with the Cubs forever .
So do we think Garza or Sorinao leave this week?
Also I started watching lost again about 2 weeks ago.. Done with seasons 1 and 2. What an amazing show
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[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I dont know MB. The amount of charity work he does and all the other shit point to him being as close to a perfect human as possible. If he did anything wrong ever we would know about it[/quote]these guys are forced to do charity work. It’s in their contracts.
[quote name=mb21]these guys are forced to do charity work. It’s in their contracts.[/quote]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thee most cynical man IN THE WORLD
[quote name=Suburban kid]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thee most cynical man IN THE WORLD[/quote]when it comes to professional athletes I may be. We’re dealing with next to no information about these people.
[quote name=mb21]these guys are forced to do charity work. It’s in their contracts.[/quote]Not Tim. Tim does it on his own accord
From good morning America Today
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Not Tim. Tim does it on his own accord[/quote]So Tim’s contract doesn’t even include anything about charity?
[quote name=mb21]So Tim’s contract doesn’t even include anything about charity?[/quote]I am sure it does but i dont think it says anything about in the offseason going and doing missionary work and building schools and shit
[quote name=mb21]So Tim’s contract doesn’t even include anything about charity?[/quote]I think contracts include donate $5,000 (or whatever) to a charity, or volunteer time with a mascot and get on a bus with former players while shitty music is playing in the background and play with kids for 60 minutes. What Tebow does is above and beyond though. No matter how shitty a QB is, no one can deny he’s a good person.
[quote name=WaLi]I think contracts include donate $5,000 (or whatever) to a charity, or volunteer time with a mascot and get on a bus with former players while shitty music is playing in the background and play with kids for 60 minutes. What Tebow does is above and beyond though. No matter how shitty a QB is, no one can deny he’s good person.[/quote]
Well done Well done. I love the Panthers commerical though
Whether he’s a good man or not, I was amused by his non-sequitur answers to Ed Warner post game:
EW “So what were your emotions after the game”
TT “Well first I thanked my Lord and Savior, and then I jumped in the crowd, which I’ve never done, and then I thanked my Lord again…”
There was another one that I can’t remember. Answering some skill question with how his teammates supported him.
We can’t deny he’s done good things. We also can’t know if he’s a good person. People who do good things also do awful things. 10 years ago we’d have said that Jerry Sandusky was a great human being when we should have said he had done some good things.
I’m not singling anyone out here, but fans in general, how many times do we have to be surprised by an athlete’s behavior before we’ll no longer be surprised? We’re shocked A-Rod used steroids. We’re then shocked when Manny is found to have used them. We’re shocked that Ryan Braun used them. We’re shocked about Roethlisberg’s alleged rapes. We’re shocked about Kobe’s. We’re now shocked about Castro’s. At some point that shock is really just ignorance. Are we shocked that Random Joe was arrested for murder yesterday?
Regarding “all he does is wins,” people said the same shit about Koyie Hill. The only problem with the comment was that the Cubs weren’t winning because of Koyie Hill. He was the benefactor of being behind the plate when the team played well.
[quote name=mb21]We can’t deny he’s done good things. We also can’t know if he’s a good person. People who do good things also do awful things. 10 years ago we’d have said that Jerry Sandusky was a great human being when we should have said he had done some good things.
I’m not singling anyone out here, but fans in general, how many times do we have to be surprised by an athlete’s behavior before we’ll no longer be surprised? We’re shocked A-Rod used steroids. We’re then shocked when Manny is found to have used them. We’re shocked that Ryan Braun used them. We’re shocked about Roethlisberg’s alleged rapes. We’re shocked about Kobe’s. We’re now shocked about Castro’s. At some point that shock is really just ignorance. Are we shocked that Random Joe was arrested for murder yesterday?
Regarding “all he does is wins,” people said the same shit about Koyie Hill. The only problem with the comment was that the Cubs weren’t winning because of Koyie Hill. He was the benefactor of being behind the plate when the team played well.[/quote]
Being the starting QB and the backup catcher is quite a bit of difference
I know I’m late to the discussion, but the best description I’ve ever heard of the Big Bang Theory (might have heard it here, actually, sounds like something MO would say) is that it’s what stupid people think smart people sound like.
Having said that, it’s probably replacement-level comedy.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]
From good morning America Today[/quote]WTF? Forming the testicles was completely unnecessary. There’s actually snow there. What a pervert.
I don’t care whether Tebow is a good person or not, but charity work means shit about how good a person is. Might I point out a certain Second Mile program as Exhibit A.
Also, in a more real world example, I knew a guy who was involved with all sorts of charities, raising funds, and going into the field to help feed people and build houses. He adopted both a brother and sister from a poor country so they wouldn’t get split up.
He’s in jail now for misappropriating government funds. So anybody can do some shitty stuff no matter how much charity work one does.
The thing is he just doesnt do shitty things. Trust me the communist god hating New York Times would have found it out if it wasnt true
tebow’s contract forces the broncos to do charity work in the offseason.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]The thing is he just doesnt do shitty things. Trust me the communist god hating New York Times would have found it out if it wasnt true[/quote]
You may be right, but pointing out charity work doesn’t prove anything. Up until a few days ago, people probably would have said what a great person Starlin Castro is.
[quote name=Aisle424]You may be right, but pointing out charity work doesn’t prove anything. Up until a few days ago, people probably would have said what a great person Starlin Castro is.[/quote]
I think that people greatly underappreciate the amazingness that is Tebow. We cant describe it sinmce it seems so surreal how amazing he is..
[quote name=GW]tebow’s contract forces the broncos to do charity work in the offseason.[/quote]They’re on a mission from God.
God makes you doubt Tebow’s goodness as a test of faith.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think that people greatly underappreciate the amazingness that is Tebow. We cant describe it sinmce it seems so surreal how amazing he is..[/quote]I think it’s amazing that he skirts the line between marginal success and epic failure so expertly.
[quote name=Rice Cube]I think it’s amazing that he skirts the line between marginal success and epic failure so expertly.[/quote]
I think they win the superbowl
Okay, so before we decide whether or not Tebow is a good person, I guess we need to decide on a definition of a good person. Or better yet, what defines a bad person.
1. Does Tebow rape woman? No allegations yet
2. Does Tebow rape boys? No allegations yet
3. (And most importantly) Does Tebow do steroids? No allegations yet
So he definitely isn’t a bad person from what we can tell. Is he a good person?
1. We know he donates his time and money to charities.
2. Multiple stories have been told about how whenever he goes to play in a city, he meets with a kid from make-a-wish or something like that and spends time with them.
3. He took a girl with a brain tumor to the College Football Awards.
4. He has been said to encourage his teammates when they make a mistake (probably because he isn’t the best player either). This is different than a lot of QB’s who cry and moan when the receiver drops a ball.
Etc. etc.
I don’t consider myself a bad person. I’m probably slightly above average. But Tebow, from what I can tell, is definitely a better person than me. And he doesn’t have that “holier than thou” attitude. He just is. MB, as you say, in a world of sports where athletes rape, sell drugs, fight dogs, do steroids, why not accept that there is someone that is going against the grain? Yes, it sucks that he gets so much media coverage and has such a crazy following, but I rather have that than hear about an athlete getting in a DUI accident or witnessing a murder.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think they win the superbowl[/quote]
I don’t know what you can possibly base this on, but have it.Actually, I take that back. Not much in the NFL surprises me at all anymore.
8 teams left, I give them about an 11% chance of winning the Super Bowl.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think they win the superbowl[/quote]God and Jesus are working overtime on this one (dying laughing)
[quote name=GBTS]
[/quote]I’m just kidding, MB. He broke that boy’s legs.
[quote name=GBTS]
I don’t know what you can possibly base this on, but have it.Actually, I take that back. Not much in the NFL surprises me at all anymore.
8 teams left, I give them about an 11% chance of winning the Super Bowl.[/quote]So slightly worse than the 12.5% if everything was equal? (dying laughing)
[quote name=WaLi]Okay, so before we decide whether or not Tebow is a good person, I guess we need to decide on a definition of a good person. Or better yet, what defines a bad person.
1. Does Tebow rape woman? No allegations yet
2. Does Tebow rape boys? No allegations yet
3. (And most importantly) Does Tebow do steroids? No allegations yet
So he definitely isn’t a bad person from what we can tell.[/quote]If in the future I ever begin to worry about the righteousness of my life I will remember this list.
[quote name=fang2415]If in the future I ever begin to worry about the righteousness of my life I will remember this list.[/quote](dying laughing) Yeah, it shouldn’t be that hard to not be a bad person compared to most athletes.
[quote name=WaLi](dying laughing) Yeah, it shouldn’t be that hard to not be a bad person compared to most athletes.[/quote]That list could also go a long way toward rehabilitating Hitler’s tarnished image.
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[quote name=fang2415]That list could also go a long way toward rehabilitating Hitler’s tarnished image.[/quote]I’ve always thought that people never give him enough credit for a steroid-free career. (dying laughing)
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/1/9/2690405/what-starting-pitcher-metrics-correlate-year-to-year
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Being the starting QB and the backup catcher is quite a bit of difference[/quote]Being shitty isn’t.
NE is going to destroy Denver.
[quote name=Rodrigo]NE is going to destroy Denver.[/quote]I hope so. I’m a Brady/Pats fan so I’d be rooting this way regardless, but I’m still nervous. I mean, which of his golden children will God choose to win?
Re: whether Tebow is a good person or not
[quote name=fang2415]That list could also go a long way toward rehabilitating Hitler’s tarnished image.[/quote]
But the point is that we can’t know this with the available information. That’s the only point I’m making. Sports fans do this all the time. I know more about my neighbors than I do about Matt Garza and I barely know anything about my neighbors. I wouldn’t ever comment on how good or bad they are as people. I’m hesitant to do that with people I know closely. The best I could do is say that I believe my closest friends are good people, but I also wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to learn they aren’t. I know a lot more about them than I’ll ever know about Matt Garza, Tim Tebow or Starlin Castro. If I can’t even say that about my closest friends, how can I possibly say it about someone I don’t even know?
I accept that those people exist. I don’t accept that I can accurately pick which ones. As for the following, I don’t care. I don’t watch the NFL so the only time I even read about him is on this blog. As I’ve said before, if it weren’t for this blog I’d assume he dropped off the face of the earth after college.
[quote name=WaLi]So slightly worse than the 12.5% if everything was equal? (dying laughing)[/quote]Exactly. The -1% is because Tebow is awful. (dying laughing)
So what’s a fair market price for Kerry Wood? If it were me and he wanted much more than $4MM I’d tell him to go to Philly and try to win a ring.
[quote name=Rice Cube]So what’s a fair market price for Kerry Wood? If it were me and he wanted much more than $4MM I’d tell him to go to Philly and try to win a ring.[/quote]$2 million
I don’t believe Tebow to be a good person because I believe him to be a liar. He went to the University of Florida, was the star QB, won National Championship, Heisman, etc. and he wasn’t getting any pussy? I call bullshit. He’s either a liar or he’s telling the truth and I don’t trust a 25 year old virgin as far as I can throw them.
[quote name=Mucker]I don’t believe Tebow to be a good person because I believe him to be a liar. He went to the University of Florida, was the star QB, won National Championship, Heisman, etc. and he wasn’t getting any pussy? I call bullshit. He’s either a liar or he’s telling the truth and I don’t trust a 25 year old virgin as far as I can throw them.[/quote]
Photoshop idea.
[quote name=Mucker]I don’t believe Tebow to be a good person because I believe him to be a liar. He went to the University of Florida, was the star QB, won National Championship, Heisman, etc. and he wasn’t getting any pussy? I call bullshit. He’s either a liar or he’s telling the truth and I don’t trust a 25 year old virgin as far as I can throw them.[/quote]He claims to be a virgin? Yeah, don’t buy that.
[quote name=mb21]He claims to be a virgin? Yeah, don’t buy that.[/quote]Sounds like he would have gotten a ton of action if bubbles went to Florida.
[quote name=GBTS]Sounds like he would have gotten a ton of action if bubbles went to Florida.[/quote]
[quote name=GBTS]Sounds like he would have gotten a ton of action if bubbles went to Florida.[/quote](dying laughing)
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[quote name=mb21]He claims to be a virgin? Yeah, don’t buy that.[/quote]Last I heard he was claiming that. Said he was waiting until he got married because Jesus wouldn’t approve.
I found this unusually funny (dying laughing)
http://news.yahoo.com/papa-johns-employee-calls-woman-lady-chinky-eyes-202319471–abc-news.html
i worked at a pizza hut in HS and we did some awful things as well. I remember a dessert pizza that was frosted with the shape of a swastika and then placed out for our lunch buffet. The terrible things you do at 16
[quote name=mb21]He claims to be a virgin? Yeah, don’t buy that.[/quote]
If he did bang someone the girl would make lots of money. I totally buy it
[quote name=dylanj]i worked at a pizza hut in HS and we did some awful things as well. I remember a dessert pizza that was frosted with the shape of a swastika and then placed out for our lunch buffet. The terrible things you do at 16[/quote]
dj, this is a pizza hut milf blog, not a pizza hut nazi blog. You need to reread the posts about posting and not comment here for a week.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]If he did bang someone the girl would make lots of money with a sex tape. I‘d totally buy it[/quote]
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[quote name=Berselius]dj, this is a pizza hut milf blog, not a pizza hut nazi blog. You need to reread the posts about posting and not comment here for a week.[/quote]Are you implying there were no Nazi milfs?
[quote name=GBTS]Nazi milfs[/quote]The downward Google search spiral continues.
This is getting out of control. Bubbles used to hate the guy. He ruined a couple of days in Bubbles’s life. But then he came back vs. the Bairz and Bubbles stopped fighting it and just came to love him. He is a winner and could be president if he was born here
[quote name=GBTS]Are you implying there were no Nazi milfs?[/quote]
Do not presume to tell me what I am implying.
[quote name=Berselius]Do not presume to tell me what I am implying.[/quote](dying laughing)
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[quote name=Berselius]Do not presume to tell me what I am implying.[/quote]You consented when you pushed Send.
[quote name=GBTS]You consented when you pushed Send.[/quote]
hahahaha. Nice
Nazi MILFs Fuck Off
the castro thing is just depressing all around. Its depressing to see idiots talk about how lack of clothes means consent, its depressing to see Julie’s speculation/condemnation festival and its depressing that Castro put himself in this position.
I share DJ’s shame.
I never shaped food into taboo hate symbols, but I did work at a Pizza Hut.
[quote name=dylanj]the castro thing is just depressing all around. Its depressing to see idiots talk about how lack of clothes means consent, its depressing to see Julie’s speculation/condemnation festival and its depressing that Castro put himself in this position.[/quote]
yea i am having a really hard time with her position
that was the dream job for a HS where i grew up. All the kids who liked to “party” worked there and once you got in you got all your friends on as well. Looking back the shit we pulled its amazing were arrested let alone fired
ESPNChiCubs Bruce Levine
The Cubs and LHP Paul Maholm trying to work out an agreement.
I assume that means Garza is gone.. or Wells?
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]yea i am having a really hard time with her position[/quote]Since I was in a meeting, what is her position?
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]yea i am having a really hard time with her position[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with it, it pretty much boils down to
1. If you’re a public figure it’s risky to bring drunk women back to your apartment at 3 AM.
2. If you’re a public figure accused of sexual assault you should make it clear that you’re taking the case seriously.
[quote name=Mish]Since I was in a meeting, what is her position?[/quote]I don’t think its changed since your meeting.
[quote name=Mish]Since I was in a meeting, what is her position?[/quote]IMO it is that by him not saying shit when he wasnt asked that makes him a turrible person.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]ESPNChiCubs Bruce Levine
The Cubs and LHP Paul Maholm trying to work out an agreement.
I assume that means Garza is gone.. or Wells?[/quote]
Could be Wells to the bullpen, though that’s less likely with this FO compared to the last one.
[quote name=Berselius]I don’t see a problem with it, it pretty much boils down to
1. If you’re a public figure it’s risky to bring drunk women back to your apartment at 3 AM.
2. If you’re a public figure accused of sexual assault you should make it clear that you’re taking the case seriously.[/quote]
See part two is the problem with me. WE HAVE 0 FUCKING ClUE about him not taking it seriously. Judging by the fact he got two pretty big lawyers to defend him i would say it is pretty clear he is taking it seriously
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]See part two is the problem with me. WE HAVE 0 FUCKING ClUE about him not taking it seriously. Judging by the fact he got two pretty big lawyers to defend him i would say it is pretty clear he is taking it seriously[/quote]I think that part is simply making a public statement before putting on a smiley face at the Cubs convention. If he’s silent on the matter and signing autographs and making nice-nice with the fans, I think that comes off very poorly.
[quote name=Berselius]Could be Wells to the bullpen, though that’s less likely with this FO compared to the last one.[/quote]
Still the dumbest decision ever for Z
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]See part two is the problem with me. WE HAVE 0 FUCKING ClUE about him not taking it seriously. Judging by the fact he got two pretty big lawyers to defend him i would say it is pretty clear he is taking it seriously[/quote]
That’s the fucking point, bubs. He and/or his laywers need to be more out there, image-wise.
[quote name=GBTS]I think that part is simply making a public statement before putting on a smiley face at the Cubs convention. If he’s silent on the matter and signing autographs and making nice-nice with the fans, I think that comes off very poorly.[/quote]
Exactly, that sums it up better
[quote name=GBTS]I think that part is simply making a public statement before putting on a smiley face at the Cubs convention. If he’s silent on the matter and signing autographs and making nice-nice with the fans, I think that comes off very poorly.[/quote]
If they havent asked him to give a statement (they now have and his lawyers say he will) then i dont see the issue.
[quote name=Berselius]That’s the fucking point, bubs. He and/or his laywers need to be more out there, image-wise.[/quote]
I think yall are directing anger at the wrong people. I would be mad at the CPD instead of Starlin
I don’t think Starlin Castro should be given a free pass, but at this point all we have is a second-hand reporting of a redacted police report that details the account of one person. If Starlin makes a public statement he’s cooperating and taking the matter very seriously, then he can go on being a Cub and doing Cub things.
For the time being.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]If they havent asked him to give a statement (they now have and his lawyers say he will) then i dont see the issue.[/quote]That’s fine, but then he should remain completely dark. Going to Cubs Con and acting like nothing has happened without making a public statement first is in fact making a statement on the seriousness of the issue.
[quote name=GBTS]That’s fine, but then he should remain completely dark. Going to Cubs Con and acting like nothing has happened without making a public statement first is in fact making a statement on the seriousness of the issue.[/quote]I would expect him to make a statement prior to appearing at Cubs Convention if he is still planning to be there for this reason.
This is kind of on a tangent, but I’ve often found it ironic how exercising the right to not self-incriminate often results in de facto incrimination.
[quote name=Rice Cube]I would expect him to make a statement prior to appearing at Cubs Convention if he is still planning to be there for this reason.
This is kind of on a tangent, but I’ve often found it ironic how exercising the right to not self-incriminate often results in de facto incrimination.[/quote]
Yea as an american i think starlin is clearly within his rights not to say shit
he’s made a statement. Both through the lawyer and in the fact that the day the asked to interview him they agreed to do just that.
Just put yourself in his shoes- there is a months old allegation, you havent been charged and agreed to cooperate fully. What the fuck else are you supposed to do?
[quote name=dylanj]he’s made a statement. Both through the lawyer and in the fact that the day the asked to interview him they agreed to do just that.
Just put yourself in his shoes- there is a months old allegation, you havent been charged and agreed to cooperate fully. What the fuck else are you supposed to do?[/quote]
io think people want him to admit he did something wrong… I dont see bringing home a girl from a bar as wrong
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think yall are directing anger at the wrong people. I would be mad at the CPD instead of Starlin[/quote]What is next Bubs? Blame the girl? Blame the DEN D, the WR, the girls Tebow has fucked? Blame anyone but the athletes you are loyal too? Seriously reading your comments today is like a case study for rationalization.
Also, I don’t necessarily consider missionary work to be a good thing considering its history.
[quote name=Berselius]Could be Wells to the bullpen, though that’s less likely with this FO compared to the last one.[/quote]With this FO, it’s probably about making Casey Coleman and Jeff Samardzija the 9th and 10th starters.
[quote name=Suburban kid]With this FO, it’s probably about making Casey Coleman and Jeff Samardzija the 9th and 10th starters.[/quote]Well, you do have to know who your 9th starter is…
[quote name=Rice Cube]Well, you do have to know who your 9th starter is…[/quote]I thought I just said that….
[quote name=GBTS]That’s fine, but then he should remain completely dark. Going to Cubs Con and acting like nothing has happened without making a public statement first is in fact making a statement on the seriousness of the issue.[/quote]Racist.
Does anyone else here not believe in dinosaurs?
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Yea as an american i think starlin is clearly within his rights not to say shit[/quote]His right to not say shit is in a court or police custody. As a public figure, if he doesn’t want to say shit (even a purely objective statement like, “I am cooperating with the police and working with my attorneys to have this resolved promptly”) he’s going to face the public consequences. A statement from him. Not some suit.
I agree at this juncture he doesn’t have to offer public apologies.
[quote name=Wtf]What is next Bubs? Blame the girl? Blame the DEN D, the WR, the girls Tebow has fucked? Blame anyone but the athletes you are loyal too? Seriously reading your comments today is like a case study for rationalization.
Also, I don’t necessarily consider missionary work to be a good thing considering its history.[/quote]
He hasnt been charged with a crime.. Jesus how about we let the legal situation play out and no throw a buncha mud at a kid that may not have done anything wrong..
Also yea building schools and hospitals in Africa is a turrible idea. Fuck that guy
[quote name=Suburban kid]I thought I just said that….[/quote]Correct.
[quote name=Wtf]What is next Bubs? Blame the girl? Blame the DEN D, the WR, the girls Tebow has fucked? Blame anyone but the athletes you are loyal too? Seriously reading your comments today is like a case study for rationalization.
Also, I don’t necessarily consider missionary work to be a good thing considering its history.[/quote]I blame Bubs. For everything. Including Hitler.
Anybody know if this girl is american? Of all the times I’ve heard Castro speak, he doesn’t have the best english. I wonder how they came to be together in the first place. It’s not like she was going over to have a conversation with him considering his lack of english. Or maybe the girl is hispanic as well. I don’t know. I just really don’t want this to be true and hope it’s just a misunderstanding.
Something that i think a lot of people are forgetting is that he barely speaks good English.. imagine going through a legal proceeding in a foreign language. Scary shit. That is why he is letting the lawyers talk
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Something that i think a lot of people are forgetting is that he barely speaks good English.. imagine going through a legal proceeding in a foreign language. Scary shit. That is why he is letting the lawyers talk[/quote]Que?
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Something that i think a lot of people are forgetting is that he barely speaks good English.. imagine going through a legal proceeding in a foreign language. Scary shit. That is why he is letting the lawyers talk[/quote]Eh, I don’t think people who are looking for a personal statement would mind if he did it in Spanish.
[quote name=Mucker]Anybody know if this girl is american? Of all the times I’ve heard Castro speak, he doesn’t have the best english. I wonder how they came to be together in the first place. It’s not like she was going over to have a conversation with him considering his lack of english. Or maybe the girl is hispanic as well. I don’t know. I just really don’t want this to be true and hope it’s just a misunderstanding.[/quote]Taking off your clothes is the international signal of consent. Everybody in the world understands that at that point you’re allowed to do anything. That said, he should serve a short jail term just for good measure. I think everyone would agree that’s fair.
[quote name=GBTS]Eh, I don’t think people who are looking for a personal statement would mind if he did it in Spanish.[/quote]Interesting. I think that would truly bring all the nutjobs out..
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Someone is being traded…[/quote]Or maybe they really are going to do the 9-man rotation thing.
guys again, he made a statement though his lawyers. Like everyone should. You let them handle it. He also agreed to talk to the police. He shouldn’t be expected to do anymore more than he is at this point.
[quote name=ACT]Or maybe they really are going to do the 9-man rotation thing.[/quote]
Who goes to bullpen? Travis Wood? Maybe Randy Wells?
I like the 9 man rotation but IMO you need to let Volstad and Wood start to see what you have
Maholm would be a great LOOGY. Righties have always beaten him black and blue.
To very briefly depart from my personal all-joke rule on the Castro case:
Castro has every right not to say a word, and people saying that he has a moral obligation to defend himself in the newspapers are idiots.
That said, staying quiet is almost always a terrible PR move, as is making the wrong public appearances when people are claiming the wrong things about you (even if those people are idiots). But whether to maximize your public image is ultimately a personal decision for Castro and a business decision for both him and the Cubs, not a moral one.
[quote name=dylanj]guys again, he made a statement though his lawyers. Like everyone should. You let them handle it. He also agreed to talk to the police. He shouldn’t be expected to do anymore more than he is at this point.[/quote]I think the Cubs made a statement too so maybe he’s just letting the club and the lawyers speak for him. I don’t know enough about PR to know whether that’s good enough or not though.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]
Also yea building schools and hospitals in Africa is a turrible idea. Fuck that guy[/quote]I’m not making any claims about what work Tebow does on his mission. But this is another example of you focusing on the aspects of situations which support the beliefs you want to be true. After all, how do you know Tebow’s mission work isn’t culturally erosive.
As for Fuck Tebow, I don’t root of the guy. I don’t know if he is good or bad (I prefer more complex characterizations that reflect the realities of being human). He is probably a better dude than most but I don’t have much to support that.
I think Castro should stay silent until the legal matter is settled. Let his lawyers do the talking.
[quote name=dylanj]he’s made a statement. Both through the lawyer and in the fact that the day the asked to interview him they agreed to do just that.
Just put yourself in his shoes- there is a months old allegation, you havent been charged and agreed to cooperate fully. What the fuck else are you supposed to do?[/quote]I agree with this. I don’t know what else Castro is supposed to do at this point. I don’t actually care that much about the Cubs Convention either. All we have at this point is a heavily redacted report that accuses Castro of wrongdoing. As I’ve said, I’m not optimistic this will turn out very well for him, the Cubs and more importantly the alleged victim. That being said, I don’t think there’s any reason for him to not attend the Cubs Convention. He hasn’t been charged. There is no grand jury report that makes you sick like the Sandusky one.
[quote name=wtf]I’m not making any claims about what work Tebow does on his mission. But this is another example of you focusing on the aspects of situations which support the beliefs you want to be true. After all, how do you know Tebow’s mission work isn’t culturally erosive.
As for Fuck Tebow, I don’t root of the guy. I don’t know if he is good or bad (I prefer more complex characterizations that reflect the realities of being human). He is probably a better dude than most but I don’t have much to support that.[/quote]
Cultural erosion? WTF? cant tell if this is serious. North Korea has a pretty strong culture their too. i am sure their people dont want hospitals
[quote name=ACT]I think Castro should stay silent until the legal matter is settled. Let his lawyers do the talking.[/quote]I would. I’m not saying a single word that could be used against me. If Castro says he’s innocent that’s essentially calling the alleged victim a liar. If Castro says anything other than “I’m innocent” he’ll be called a monster.
That goes 10x in Castro’s case, since he’s not a native speaker.
[quote name=Mucker]Anybody know if this girl is american?[/quote]Maybe she was Cindy Sandberg. If so, that would also constitute consent, amirite?
[quote name=dylanj]guys again, he made a statement though his lawyers. Like everyone should. You let them handle it. He also agreed to talk to the police. He shouldn’t be expected to do anymore more than he is at this point.[/quote]Agreed. I couldn’t care less what he has to say anyway.
The important question today is who is being dropped from the 40-man with the impending signing of Maholm?
[quote name=fang2415]Maybe she was Cindy Sandberg. If so, that would also constitute consent, amirite?[/quote]Still cant believe Raffy boned her
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Cultural erosion? WTF? cant tell if this is serious. North Korea has a pretty strong culture their too. i am sure their people dont want hospitals[/quote]All good or All bad. Gradients bubbles. Again you are simplifying something much more complex to the positive elements that are good and weaving straw at the same time.
[quote name=JMan]The important question today is who is being dropped from the 40-man with the impending signing of Maholm?[/quote]Castro. The Cubs can’t handle his silence any longer.
[quote name=JMan]The important question today is who is being dropped from the 40-man with the impending signing of Maholm?[/quote]So do they have to decide right away? I thought the 40-man didn’t matter until Spring Training or Opening Day but I never really thought about that.
Since Castro has been a topic again, I posted something I didn’t know if I would publish or not. new shit up: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/theyre-called-baseball-players.html
[quote name=wtf]All good or All bad. Gradients bubbles. Again you are simplifying something much more complex to the positive elements that are good and weaving straw at the same time.[/quote]
I think that their is 1 universla set of morals in this world. No shades of gray…
Serious baseball talk here, but if the Cubs don’t resign Wood, then who’s the 8th inning guy…..Carpenter? F7? Tebow?
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]Still cant believe Raffy boned her[/quote]I can’t believe he still hasn’t responded to these allegations.
getting Maholm doesnt mean Garza is toast. Theo has talked a good deal about getting depth in the SP area
Maholm is better than i thought. 7 WAR over the last three years. We will have the best collection of 4-5th starters in baseball.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I think that their is 1 universla set of morals in this world. No shades of gray…[/quote]Does that one set of morals also ignore that sometimes actions which are helpful can also be hurtful. Regardless of where the action as a whole falls on the spectrum.