So says the Boston Herald.
Two baseball sources have confirmed that Theo Epstein is on the cusp of leaving his job as general manager of the Red Sox to accept a position with the Chicago Cubs that is believed to include powers greater than he has in Boston, with an announcement expected to be made “within the next 24 to 48 hours.”
The hangup in the negotiations has been twofold. One of them is that Red Sox ownership was still hoping to have Epstein remain with the team. The other is compensation: If Epstein is to leave Boston, said one source with knowledge of the negotiations, the Red Sox are going to want “something real.”
I like it.
They can have Koyie Hill.
But I guess anything will do as long as Theo —> Cubs
Wish I wasn’t on my phone so I could post the cookie monster gif
[quote name=Rice Cube]They can have Koyie Hill.
But I guess anything will do as long as Theo —> Cubs[/quote]Send them Crane and Hendry (dying laughing)
http://twitter.com/#!/bsmithwtny/status/123895740442492928
Curious to see what compensation the Cubs will give the Sawx. Hopefully it’s not anything big.
I would grudgingly toss in top prospects Hayden Simpson and Josh Vitters.
[quote name=Keith]Curious to see what compensation the Cubs will give the Sawx. Hopefully it’s not anything big.[/quote]I’m expecting Brett Jackson or Trey McNutt. When the Red Sox were close to hiring Billy Beane they had agreed to send the A’s Kevin Youkilis. Youk was better at getting on base, but Jackson has had more power in the minors. Overall, they’re quite similar in value.
[quote name=ACT]I would grudgingly toss in top prospects Hayden Simpson and Josh Vitters.[/quote]I’d send Simpson along even if they didn’t want him.
[quote name=mb21]I’d send Simpson along even if they didn’t want him.[/quote]
shipping would be cheap, given that he’s still losing weight as he battles mono.
[quote name=GW]shipping would be cheap, given that he’s still losing weight as he battles mono.[/quote]Just wait until March and you can put him in an envelope and mail him to Florida.
[quote name=mb21]I’m expecting Brett Jackson or Trey McNutt. When the Red Sox were close to hiring Billy Beane they had agreed to send the A’s Kevin Youkilis. Youk was better at getting on base, but Jackson has had more power in the minors. Overall, they’re quite similar in value.[/quote]Hope it’s McNutt. Wonder who is negotiating the comp package.
[quote name=Berselius]Wish I wasn’t on my phone so I could post the cookie monster gif[/quote]this one?
[quote name=Rice Cube]Hope it’s McNutt. Wonder who is negotiating the comp package.[/quote]Ricketts. If Theo has agreed to come to the Cubs, wouldn’t even surprise me if he’s had some input on it.
it will just depend on what we give up. If its Jackson I will be pissed
I think we’d have to throw in some money for them to take Simpson (dying laughing)
CCO hears that its a mid-level spec. Hopefully Dolis, Jay Jackson type.
[quote name=jtsunami]CCO hears that its a mid-level spec. Hopefully Dolis, Jay Jackson type.[/quote]Does Jay Jackson even qualify as a prospect at this point? Dolis would be awesome if that’s what we give up. Another mid-level guy might be someone like Szczur. With him you’re trading a guy with a lot of potential, but someone who is still at least a couple years away.
[quote name=mb21]Does Jay Jackson even qualify as a prospect at this point? Dolis would be awesome if that’s what we give up. Another mid-level guy might be someone like Szczur. With him you’re trading a guy with a lot of potential, but someone who is still at least a couple years away.[/quote]My name interpretation of a mid-level spec has always been low-impact type of prospect (dying laughing) Have I been wrong this whole time? Does it mean literally middle level like AA/AAA? I feel like an idiot.
I’ve thought of a mid-level guy as a 11-20 ranked prospect, but I suppose it’s really up to interpretation.
Dolis is what I’d consider a mid-level guy. Jay Jackson is more of a AAA lifer in my opinion. Maybe even someone who is better suited for AA.
[quote name=mb21]I’ve thought of a mid-level guy as a 11-20 ranked prospect, but I suppose it’s really up to interpretation.[/quote]Ya thats what I thought. I guess I still see Jay Jackson as having some value.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7089985/theo-epstein-cusp-taking-job-chicago-cubs-report-says
http://www.necn.com/10/11/11/Epstein-close-to-leaving-Sox-heading-to-/landing_sports.html?blockID=575848&feedID=3352
No BJax in deal please…
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Jackson-has-big-day-at-World-Cup?blockID=575420&feedID=10336
I don’t think I quite know how to use the happy gif meme yet…
cdw —> so happy he could shit himself?
[quote name=mb21]http://www.necn.com/10/11/11/Epstein-close-to-leaving-Sox-heading-to-/landing_sports.html?blockID=575848&feedID=3352[/quote]So if it’s not compensation, then what is holding up the deal?
[quote name=Rice Cube]cdw —> so happy he could shit himself?[/quote][quote name=cdw]I don’t think I quite know how to use the happy gif meme yet…[/quote]Just a poor joke.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7089985/theo-epstein-verge-taking-job-chicago-cubs-sources-say
Are the “sources” the other news outlets are citing the Boston Herald?
[quote name=cdw]So if it’s not compensation, then what is holding up the deal?[/quote]I have no idea.
[quote name=josh]Are the “sources” the other news outlets are citing the Boston Herald?[/quote]The links I’ve posted have had different sources. May have been the same sources for all I know, but not the article itself. They’ve all mentioned the Herald though, but only that they reported it first.
The FOX announcers really say some asinine things. One guy just said that the reason you know Theo is going to the Cubs is that no one has denied it. That’s some tasty logic.
[quote name=josh]The FOX announcers really say some asinine things. One guy just said that the reason you know Theo is going to the Cubs is that no one has denied it. That’s some tasty logic.[/quote]That’s just inverse Alvin logic, where if you hear about it that means it won’t happen.
[quote name=josh]The FOX announcers really say some asinine things. One guy just said that the reason you know Theo is going to the Cubs is that no one has denied it. That’s some tasty logic.[/quote](dying laughing)
I would say it’s a good bet Theo goes to the Cubs because Theo hasn’t talked much, if at all, since the season ended. He’s clearly interested in the job, the discussions are far along and it’s hard to believe they get this far without him getting the job.
[quote name=mb21]http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7089985/theo-epstein-verge-taking-job-chicago-cubs-sources-say[/quote]Let’s hope Rickett’s doesn’t cut the negotiations short.
[quote name=cdw]Let’s hope Rickett’s doesn’t cut the negotiations short.[/quote](dying laughing) he probably is having fun.
[quote name=cdw]Let’s hope the negotiations aren’t so good that Rickett’s
doesn’tcuts themnegotiationsshort.[/quote].What if “something real” is Castro? I’d feel kind of sick about Jackson, if only because that leaves a bleak minor league system, to say the least.
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One hopes that if Ricketts or whoever is negotiating the deal, and Epstein has input in this, there’s no way they’d fuck themselves in the deal.
Give them Byrd
[quote name=josh]What if “something real” is Castro? I’d feel kind of sick about Jackson, if only because that leaves a bleak minor league system, to say the least.[/quote]Kap said there’s no chance it’s Castro, Garza or Cashner.
[quote name=mb21]Kap said there’s no chance it’s Castro, Garza or Cashner.[/quote]I’ll wait til guy in the purple shirt confirms.
Just heard an interview with the Bosten Herald guy. He confirmed his sources are members of the Red Sox org.
In that one video with Kurkjian he mentioned again how it’s seemed to be 50/50 for awhile. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Just heard an interview with the Bosten Herald guy. He confirmed his sources are members of the Red Sox org.[/quote]I hope it’s true.
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Just heard an interview with the Bosten Herald guy. He confirmed his sources are members of the Red Sox org.[/quote]Hopefully not just the janitors.
[quote name=mb21]Kap said there’s no chance it’s Castro, Garza or Cashner.[/quote]
It wouldn’t bother me if it was Cashner as I don’t think he’s going to be able to be more than a relief pitcher. On the radio here they were saying that Gammons is telling people Theo hasn’t decided yet if he’s leaving. Gammons said the decision process is not as far along as some have assumed.
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Just heard an interview with the Bosten Herald guy. He confirmed his sources are members of the Red Sox org.[/quote]
He obviously doesn’t even know a random guy in the purple shirt. What a hack.
I like on twitter on how “Theo on verge of joining Cubs” becomes “Theo signs with Cubs.” (dying laughing)
[quote name=melissa]It wouldn’t bother me if it was Cashner as I don’t think he’s going to be able to be more than a relief pitcher. On the radio here they were saying that Gammons is telling people Theo hasn’t decided yet if he’s leaving. Gammons said the decision process is not as far along as some have assumed.[/quote]Hopefully, this will help quench my excitement since Theo to the Cubs isn’t finally final.
[quote name=mb21]I like on twitter on how “Theo on verge of joining Cubs” becomes “Theo signs with Cubs.” (dying laughing)[/quote]
Twitter is now ruining more than just spring training. What a fun sucker.
(dying laughing) at the headline competition for synonyms for “near”. At first he was just “close” to leaving; then he was “at the cusp”; now he’s at the *verge*!
Byrd seems like a reasonable trade actually. That’s basically sending them what, 7M or something? My guess is somebody like that or cash + a Szczr type, or just a bunch of cash.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/10/11/2011-10-11_theo_epstein_headed_to_chicago_cubs_to_become_general_manager_leaves_boston_red_.html
[quote name=Buster Olney]Source: Epstein would be restricted, through agreement of parties, from taking employees to CHC with him, except in cases BOS green lights.[/quote]
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(dying laughing)
[quote name=GW]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2011/10/11/2011-10-11_theo_epstein_headed_to_chicago_cubs_to_become_general_manager_leaves_boston_red_.html[/quote]Wwwwwwoooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww
excellent call by mb
[quote name=fang2415]Wwwwwwoooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww[/quote]If srs
[quote name=Aisle424]
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Fuck yeah man. Best Cubs news in…well, I dunno. Have we ever had any good news before?
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Fuck yeah man. Best Cubs news in…well, I dunno. Have we ever had any good news before?[/quote]Not since 1908.
So when is the interview with Theo?
[quote name=fang2415]Byrd seems like a reasonable trade actually. That’s basically sending them what, 7M or something? My guess is somebody like that or cash + a Szczr type, or just a bunch of cash.[/quote]
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7089985/theo-epstein-cusp-taking-job-chicago-cubs-report-says
Ah.
My believing-this reflex still hasn’t kicked in. Maybe just because if anybody would jump the gun on this, it’d be the Post…
[quote name=fang2415]My believing-this reflex still hasn’t kicked in. Maybe just because if anybody would jump the gun on this, it’d be the Post…[/quote]I thought the Boston Herald did it first.
This would be the biggest acquisition since they signed Ernie Banks as they desegregated.
this isnt officially official yet
[quote name=dylanj]this isnt officially official yet[/quote]Don’t you like anything?
[quote name=Rice Cube]I thought the Boston Herald did it first.[/quote]Herald is just saying cusp/brink/verge/edge. NY Daily News is saying he’s actually done it. (Sorry, I said the NY Post was the one jumping the gun. The NYDN is the other paper that seems most likely to do that.)
[quote name=Smokestack Lightning]Fuck yeah man. Best Cubs news in…well, I dunno. Have we ever had any good news before?[/quote]
if true, best news for the cubs since either
1) cubs signed soriano- which was clear indication that the cubs were going to be sold, and go all out to contend in the meantime.
2) Al Yellon was chosen to run the sbnation cubs blog
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This is what Gammons was saying today too. This is definitely not finally final yet. (dying laughing)
Sheeit. It’s like 2 am here but now I’m going to have to stay up on Theo-watch until this shitstorm of news calms down…
Okay, I’m semi-drunk from a work conference. If the Cubs sign Theo, someone post on my wall or send me a pajamagram. kthxbai
NYDN still the only one with a headline in the past tense. I’m betting that gets revised down to a gerund before we hear anything else…
[quote name=Mish]Okay, I’m semi-drunk from a work conference. If the Cubs sign Theo, someone post on my wall or send me a pajamagram. kthxbai[/quote]
All Cubs fans will awake to a Theo Bear Cub under their pillow after the deal is done. It will be delivered by a unicorn.
The guy in the purple shirt’s celebrity connections should pay off here.
I’m already bored with this.
speakers going hammer
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]This is about motherfucking boredom.[/quote].
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m already bored with this.[/quote]Fun-sucker.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m already bored with this.[/quote]
You only want to hear about GM candidates that you’ve probably never heard of.
/Hipster Ricketts’d
In the meantime, Tigers lead.
[quote name=Aisle424]Fun-sucker.[/quote]Hmm, well, to be fair, it is becoming increasingly clear that the entire US sports press is now reporting on each other…
[quote name=fang2415]Hmm, well, to be fair, it is becoming increasingly clear that the entire US sports press is now reporting on each other…[/quote]Hot.
[quote name=GBTS]Hot.[/quote]You’ll hate yourself for saying that once Sullivan files his story.
[quote name=fang2415]You’ll hate yourself for saying that once Sullivan files his story.[/quote]Well, that’ll be at least 4 months from now so it’ll seem like fresh news.
[quote name=fang2415]You’ll hate yourself for saying that once Sullivan files his story.[/quote]
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Well, that’ll be at least 4 months from now so it’ll seem like fresh news.[/quote]
this is the troof
Now that I think about it, Sullivan hasn’t been tweeting. Probably trying to weave a few anti-Z sentiments into his story.
Someone just got a Josh Hamilton souvenir…ouch.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Well, that’ll be at least 4 months from now so it’ll seem like fresh news.[/quote]Yeah, but by then it will be a clever witty feature about how some crazy Cub fan wearing a hat and sunglasses just heard that Epstein was on the precipice of signing with the Cubs. Oh, how we’ll laugh.
[quote name=Aisle424]Now that I think about it, Sullivan hasn’t been tweeting. Probably trying to weave a few anti-Z sentiments into his story.[/quote](dying laughing), I forgot about that crucial element. “Some fan just heard about Theo Epstein. Nobody’s been that stupid since Carlos Zambrano!”
Since it’s not officially official, I would say that even if Theo ends up staying in Boston, the Cubs did everything they could and were expected to do to roll out the red carpet and should be commended for it.
Colby Lewis—> batting practice
Oof, okay, 3am and the flow of new information (all one data point of it) has slowed. fang2415 out, fuckfaces.
I will be seriously disappointed it I don’t find Theo Epstein gift-wrapped under my tree tomorrow morning. And a picture of Carlos Zambrano punching Paul Sullivan in the nose.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Since it’s not officially official, I would say that even if Theo ends up staying in Boston, the Cubs did everything they could and were expected to do to roll out the red carpet and should be commended for it.
[/quote]This was how they operated for years with big free agents. Piazza, Beltran, Hampton (and I’m sure many more I’m not thinking of) all fell under the category of “Close but no cigar.”
[quote name=Aisle424]This was how they operated for years with big free agents. Piazza, Beltran, Hampton (and I’m sure many more I’m not thinking of) all fell under the category of “Close but no cigar.”[/quote]Wasn’t that more because the facilities suck?
[quote name=fang2415]And a picture of Carlos Zambrano punching Paul Sullivan in the nose.[/quote]I hope he doesn’t scrape his knuckles on the ground.
[quote name=GW]excellent call by mb[/quote]A little luck and a lot of common sense based on various things we knew to be true.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Wasn’t that more because the facilities suck?[/quote]I’m sure it didn’t help, but they just wanted people to know they were “trying.” They never fucking closed the deal. Obviously money speaks, because Hendry didn’t have any problems landing the contracts (with the same facilities) when it was time to sell the team.
[quote name=dylanj]speakers going hammer[/quote]
purple monkey dishwasher
[quote name=Aisle424]This was how they operated for years with big free agents. Piazza, Beltran, Hampton (and I’m sure many more I’m not thinking of) all fell under the category of “Close but no cigar.”[/quote]Not exactly. Those were all guys they wanted, but they made no extra effort to sign any of them. I’m not even sure they ever sat down with Beltran or submitted an offer. The Cubs have gone all out here3.
It may not be finally final or officially official, but it may as well be. Does anyone really think John Henry is going to want Theo back after having such a difficult time making this decision? No way. It’s not Red Sox or Cubs right now. It’s unemployment or Cubs.
[quote name=Aisle424]I’m sure it didn’t help, but they just wanted people to know they were “trying.” They never fucking closed the deal. Obviously money speaks, because Hendry didn’t have any problems landing the contracts (with the same facilities) when it was time to sell the team.[/quote]Obviously I don’t know everything but indications are that the Ricketts are throwing in everything including the kitchen sink on this one, so if Epstein doesn’t want to come out and play, it’s less the Cubs’ fault and more Epstein being Billy Beane v2.0…
[quote name=Aisle424]Now that I think about it, Sullivan hasn’t been tweeting. Probably trying to weave a few anti-Z sentiments into his story.[/quote]
We’ll read this article in March.
[quote name=Aisle424]I’m sure it didn’t help, but they just wanted people to know they were “trying.” They never fucking closed the deal. Obviously money speaks, because Hendry didn’t have any problems landing the contracts (with the same facilities) when it was time to sell the team.[/quote]Yeah, exactly. Once the Cubs started putting their money where their mouth was those guys started coming to Chicago.
Gordon Edes: If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter
Pretty tenuous link to go from that to favorite
The only reason Epstein hasn’t been fired by the Red Sox is because they’re thinking they can get compensation. If they fired him, no compensation. I’m 95% sure Epstein is the Cubs GM. I’m 100% sure he is not the Red Sox GM next year.
[quote name=Berselius]Gordon Edes: If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter[/quote]Here’s hoping that Ryne Sandberg gets a long leash then if he’s hired. Hate to see him get the Quade treatment as another fall guy.
http://twitter.com/#!/GordonEdes/statuses/123945451992002560
Wha?
[quote name=Berselius]Pretty tenuous link to go from that to favorite[/quote]Didn’t Whittenmeyer write an article about that awhile back? I think Sandberg will be the guy who is hired because I think Theo is going to want some manager he can influence.
Home run derby in Detroit tonight.
Miguel Cabrera’s head is doing the Barry Bonds expansion thing.
[quote name=mb21]Didn’t Whittenmeyer write an article about that awhile back? I think Sandberg will be the guy who is hired because I think Theo is going to want some manager he can influence.[/quote]Only if Paul Konerko turns him down.
[quote name=Rice Cube]
Miguel Cabrera’s head is doing the Barry Bonds expansion thing.[/quote]Irresponsible rumor.
[quote name=mb21]Didn’t Whittenmeyer write an article about that awhile back? I think Sandberg will be the guy who is hired because I think Theo is going to want some manager he can influence.[/quote]I thought Sandberg was old-school and wouldn’t be receptive to supervision of that sort.
Gammons thinks Brett Jackson might be the guy too.
Is there any chance to flip Theo for Nolasco?
Miguel Cabrera can kind of swing a bat a little.
[quote name=mb21]Didn’t Whittenmeyer write an article about that awhile back? I think Sandberg will be the guy who is hired because I think Theo is going to want some manager he can influence.[/quote]
You’d think then that he wouldn’t want a guy who isn’t a franchise legend and has enough clout with the media to push back.
[quote name=Rice Cube]I thought Sandberg was old-school and wouldn’t be receptive to supervision of that sort.[/quote]I don’t think that’s true. Sandberg is an intelligent guy and more than anything, he’ll do whatever he has to get a big league job.
[quote name=Bottleasmoke]Is there any chance to flip Theo for Nolasco?[/quote](dying laughing) that would be awesome. Tell Alvin about this idea.
[quote name=Bottleasmoke]Is there any chance to flip Theo for Nolasco?[/quote]
You need to throw in Castro to get that deal done.
[quote name=mb21]Gammons thinks Brett Jackson might be the guy too.[/quote]That would suck, but if Theo is any kind of smart, BJax can be replaced via the draft/international signings anyway so I’ll only be a little bit sad instead of all-the-way sad. Would rather keep BJax though.
[quote name=Berselius]You’d think then that he wouldn’t want a guy who isn’t a franchise legend and has enough clout with the media to push back.[/quote]I just don’t think that would be an issue. First time it happens would probably be the last. Sandberg won’t be making much money so if Sandberg did that he’d be gone. We might see Sandberg push back in year 3 or 4, but not at first.
[quote name=Berselius]You need to throw in Castro to get that deal done.[/quote]Nah. You deal Castro for Hamilton, then flip him for Kila.
[quote name=mb21]I just don’t think that would be an issue. First time it happens would probably be the last. Sandberg won’t be making much money so if Sandberg did that he’d be gone. We might see Sandberg push back in year 3 or 4, but not at first.[/quote]
These guys have big egos, etc. etc.
[quote name=Rice Cube]That would suck, but if Theo is any kind of smart, BJax can be replaced via the draft/international signings anyway so I’ll only be a little bit sad instead of all-the-way sad. Would rather keep BJax though.[/quote]I’d rather keep him as well, but if the cost to get Theo is Brett Jackson, big deal as far as I’m concerned. It’s not like losing Jackson would set the organization back a decade.
[quote name=Berselius]You’d think then that he wouldn’t want a guy who isn’t a franchise legend and has enough clout with the media to push back.[/quote]
This is why I don’t believe Sandberg will be the hire. I also don’t think Ryno will just be a “yes” man that runs the team the way the GM wants. He definitely has expressed “old school” values about things and I would think running the clubhouse his way and making up the lineup how he sees fit would be part of it.
Jim Leyland really wants to save the bullpen and Fister is helping him out a ton.
Maybe Theo hires Ryno and then gives him a crash course in lineup optimization and reliever leveraging (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]I’d rather keep him as well, but if the cost to get Theo is Brett Jackson, big deal as far as I’m concerned. It’s not like losing Jackson would set the organization back a decade.[/quote]Yeah. Being the Cubs has already done that. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Berselius]These guys have big egos, etc. etc.[/quote]They do, but Sandberg has spent several years now trying to get this job. I think he’s the perfect example of someone who is going to play nice and do what he was told. Francona was that guy when Theo hired him. He’d been fired by the Phillies and was a base coach (I think) for the A’s for awhile and then the Theo hired him. Based on what I read in a book, Tito basically did whatever it was that Beane and their manager told him to do and then that way at first in Boston.
There’s nothing wrong with old school values. Ask anyone and they’ll tell you Francona is an old school manager. He’d tell you that. Lou was that way. Even Joe Maddon is. You won’t find a manager who won’t consider himself old school.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/person-familiar-with-situation-red-sox-gm-epstein-likely-to-join-cubs-within-48-hours/2011/10/11/gIQAB5YudL_story.html
Another good thing about this is that if Epstein does indeed become the new GM, the chances of Brenly ———> dugout go from miniscule to nonexistant.
I don’t see why Theo wouldn’t just hire Tito for the sake of continuity and having someone he trusts in that seat.
[quote name=mb21]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/person-familiar-with-situation-red-sox-gm-epstein-likely-to-join-cubs-within-48-hours/2011/10/11/gIQAB5YudL_story.html[/quote]It’s almost obligatory, but is this person familiar with the situation wearing a purple shirt?
Tito didn’t sound like he was itching to work with Theo anytime too soon. I’d love that if that if it happened, but I’d be surprised.
So I guess Mike Quade is toast, right?
Mike Quade is gone regardless of who the next GM is.
[quote name=mb21]Mike Quade is gone regardless of who the next GM is.[/quote]I was worried this would drag on so long that the Cubs would be stuck with the leftover remains of everyone else’s managerial search. If this comes together anytime soon, then yeah, Quade is done.
I kind of feel bad for Quade. He was given shit and tried to make shitade, and he’s had a death sentence hanging over his job since Hendry was fired, not to mention the circus surrounding the Z stuff this year.
But then I remember the nicknames.
I feel bad for him too, b. Not only was it a team that had little chance of contending or even of reaching .500, but they were a bit unlucky. I hated how he managed the pitchers, but I loved how he managed the media.
[quote name=Berselius]I kind of feel bad for Quade. He was given shit and tried to make shitade, and he’s had a death sentence hanging over his job since Hendry was fired, not to mention the circus surrounding the Z stuff this year.
But then I remember the nicknames.[/quote]The nicknames were almost as good as the lineups and pitching changes.
[quote name=mb21]I feel bad for him too, b. Not only was it a team that had little chance of contending or even of reaching .500, but they were a bit unlucky. I hated how he managed the pitchers, but I loved how he managed the media.[/quote]
This. Though I miss Lou’s Confused Old Man routine (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]Mike Quade is gone regardless of who the next GM is.[/quote]
Hope that is true, will be the best news I’ve heard in a year.
[quote name=Berselius]This. Though I miss Lou’s Confused Old Man routine (dying laughing)[/quote]I think his “What do you expect me to do?” line was the most appropriate line I’ve ever heard a manager say as he was merely speaking the truth.
[quote name=Rice Cube]The nicknames were almost as good as the lineups and pitching changes.[/quote]
The lineups and pitching changes annoyed me (and IIRC I really went off on Cuey at one point), but that’s shit that every manager does. The difference between replacement level and average is pretty close. I’d rather have a manager that defuses shit before the media blows it up, like Cuey generally did a good job with. Not much you can do about the Z stuff.
I thought Quade eventually got a pretty decent lineup together, but then they traded Fukudome, and Q moved Barney back up to the 2-hole. Meh.
Wow, Miguel Cabrera can has defense.
The most annoying thing about Quade’s in-game strategy (to me) was how he didn’t remove the pitcher for a pinch-hitter when the pitcher wasn’t long for the game anyway. Drove me nuts.
Why waste a bench player when you can just have the pitcher lay down a sacrifice?
We have a series!
[quote name=Rice Cube]Wow, Miguel Cabrera can has defense.[/quote]Announcers said that if the Tigers got to the WS, Leyland would consider starting Cabrera at third so he can use Martinez at first in the NL games. Seriously.
[quote name=ACT]Announcers said that if the Tigers got to the WS, Leyland would consider starting Cabrera at third so he can use Martinez at first in the NL games. Seriously.[/quote]Huh…that’s a bit weird. Cabrera’s played LF before right? Should stick him in the OF instead, keep a good defensive 3B on the field if he really wants to keep all the bats in the lineup.
See, without V-Mart to protect him, Cabrera is essentially useless.
I’m at a conference, and I’ve pretty much been doing this for the last three hours:
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[quote name=shawndgoldman]I’m at a conference, and I’ve pretty much been doing this for the last three hours:
(dying laughing)
What would Quade call Theo?
Eppy? Thee?
[quote name=GBTS]What would Quade call Theo?
Eppy? Thee?[/quote]Jewy.
[quote name=shawndgoldman]I’m at a conference, and I’ve pretty much been doing this for the last three hours:
[/quote]
that might not be appropriate for an academic conference, shawn. may i suggest:
man. this makes me as happy as I was in 2008
[quote name=Rice Cube]Jewy.[/quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir05JyEsV0#t=19s
[quote name=GBTS]What would Quade call Theo?
Eppy? Thee?[/quote] “The guyee who fired me”.
[quote name=GBTS]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir05JyEsV0#t=19s[/quote]That Paki does look an awful lot like Mish.
[quote name=GBTS]That Paki does look an awful lot like Mish.[/quote]www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir05JyEsV0#t=19s
[quote name=Berselius]I kind of feel bad for Quade. He was given shit and tried to make shitade, and he’s had a death sentence hanging over his job since Hendry was fired, not to mention the circus surrounding the Z stuff this year.
But then I remember the nicknames.[/quote]Good point Bersey.
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[quote name=GW]that might not be appropriate for an academic conference, shawn. may i suggest:
saving that for my talk tomorrow.
Peter Gammons postulated it will be Brett Jackson. Sox will want what they don’t have in their system — a power hitting OF prospect. They LOVE OBP guys. They need a RF who can cover a big plot of land in assymetrical Fenway.(Negative: They’re too lefthanded now, so they need someone who bats right. Jackson ain’t it)). And the reason Theo is leaving is that he’s blocked by Larry Lucchino in the president’s job, and Lucchino is definitely going to play hardball [(a) it's what he does; (b) he needs a big score or he's going to be the guy who gets blamed for Theo leaving]
http://twitter.com/#!/redsoxstats/status/124051042643095552
[quote name=GBTS]That Paki does look an awful lot like Mish.[/quote](dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
[quote name=GW]http://twitter.com/#!/redsoxstats/status/124051042643095552[/quote]whoa, I guess that says it all. MB was definitely right about Cubs or unemployment. I suggest we flip Sullivan for MB as the Tribune writer. Then we can flip him for Whittenmeyer.
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]whoa, I guess that says it all. MB was definitely right about Cubs or unemployment. I suggest we flip Sullivan for MB as the Tribune writer. Then we can flip him for Whittenmeyer.[/quote]
Yep. The one concern I had was that this was an elaborate power play by theo to oust lucchino or something similar within the redsox. It appears the opposite is the case, theo is using his impending contract end to bring down redsox compensation demands.
[quote name=Elgin MC]Peter Gammons postulated it will be Brett Jackson. Sox will want what they don’t have in their system — a power hitting OF prospect. They LOVE OBP guys. They need a RF who can cover a big plot of land in assymetrical Fenway.(Negative: They’re too lefthanded now, so they need someone who bats right. Jackson ain’t it)). And the reason Theo is leaving is that he’s blocked by Larry Lucchino in the president’s job, and Lucchino is definitely going to play hardball [(a) it's what he does; (b) he needs a big score or he's going to be the guy who gets blamed for Theo leaving][/quote]
I guess we’re SOL then (dying laughing)
WEEI also reporting it’s a done deal, 5 years, > 15 million. Will be finalized by the end of the week.
[quote name=GW]Yep. The one concern I had was that this was an elaborate power play by theo to oust lucchino or something similar within the redsox. It appears the opposite is the case, theo is using his impending contract end to bring down redsox compensation demands.[/quote]I initially thought about that same thing, GW. It’s not out of the question either. If Theo does have a job with the Sox next year it will be for a lot more money and a President’s type job (maybe in title only). He’ll still be behind Lucchino so I don’t know if Theo will see it as a promotion. So I take that to mean that situation is unlikely.
[quote name=Berselius]WEEI also reporting it’s a done deal, 5 years, > 15 million. Will be finalized by the end of the week.[/quote] got a link to a man in a pinstriped green and purple shirt for that one?
Nate, I think it was on the radio.
They usually have an article up after a show I think.
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]got a link to a man in a pinstriped green and purple shirt for that one?[/quote]
Just a dude in a red hat (dying laughing) http://twitter.com/#!/bleachernation
Though I could just turn on my radio (dying laughing)
Ace has a rundown here of all the overnight Theo stories
http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/10/12/a-rundown-of-all-things-theo-epstein-at-least-one-source-says-its-a-done-deal/
I know I read something last night about one of the possible holdups being who Theo can take with him to Chicago. I really hope one of them they allow is Tom Tippett, but I doubt that happens.
[quote name=mb21]Nate, I think it was on the radio.[/quote]why didn’t he take a picture of the radio with his camera-phone then?
[quote name=mb21]I know I read something last night about one of the possible holdups being who Theo can take with him to Chicago. I really hope one of them they allow is Tom Tippett, but I doubt that happens.[/quote]
Heh, or Bill James. Of course, I know one prominent baseball researcher who would probably jump at the chance at working for the Cubs…
[quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]why didn’t he take a picture of the radio with his camera-phone then?[/quote]He’s a lazy bastard.
I have WEEI on. They have multiple sources in Chi and Bos saying it’s done as Ace mentioned above. They also say that they officially gave permission for the Cubs to talk to Theo on Friday after that big interview on NESN.
Now they’re moving on to this fucking ridiculous hatchet job by the Globe, that complained about pitchers having too much fried chicken and beer and implying that Tito managed poorly because of alleged marital problems and that he was addicted to painkillers. Stay classy, Boston Globe.
[quote name=Berselius]I have WEEI on. They have multiple sources in Chi and Bos saying it’s done as Ace mentioned above. They also say that they officially gave permission for the Cubs to talk to Theo on Friday after that big interview on NESN.[/quote]This is just awesome, but I can’t get too excited until all the sources agree it’s finally final.
[quote name=Berselius]I have WEEI on. They have multiple sources in Chi and Bos saying it’s done as Ace mentioned above. They also say that they officially gave permission for the Cubs to talk to Theo on Friday after that big interview on NESN.[/quote]
Interesting. By in large, Ricketts has kept this whole thing under wraps, with all the leaks coming from Boston. The Chicago beat writers have to be enraged.
[quote name=Berselius]Ace has a rundown here of all the overnight Theo stories
http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/10/12/a-rundown-of-all-things-theo-epstein-at-least-one-source-says-its-a-done-deal//quote
From that link:
This is the first peep I’ve heard from the Chicago side of things, aside from men in many-colored shirts.
[quote name=GW]Interesting. By in large, Ricketts has kept this whole thing under wraps, with all the leaks coming from Boston. The Chicago beat writers have to be enraged.[/quote]I’m reminded of Bruce Miles comment on twitter after Ricketts said they’d keep it secret: yeah, good luck with that. Or something like that. This was the same day or the day after that we learned that Jim Hendry was fired on July 22 and that it wasn’t announced until a month later.
We knew at that point that Ricketts could keep a secret. If you can keep it secret that you’ve fired the GM of nearly a decade, you’ve done well. There wasn’t any reason to believe that this couldn’t be done as secretive as that was seeing as the only person or people involved in it were the Ricketts.
(dying laughing) @ Gordo using Aisley, MO and Dolan as sources…
…and slamming a front office dude so personally.
FYI, Gordo cites Cubs sources saying an offer within Theo’s expectations has been made, they’re just waiting for an answer.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/8165042-573/now-its-in-theo-epsteins-hands-to-decide-if-hell-be-next-cubs-gm.html
Did they every actually roll out those misting stations?
[quote name=GW]Interesting. By in large, Ricketts has kept this whole thing under wraps, with all the leaks coming from Boston. The Chicago beat writers have to be enraged.[/quote]
Maybe the Daily Herald doesn’t pay Bruce Miles’s cell phone bill in the offseason.
[quote name=Suburban kid 22a](dying laughing) @ Gordo using Aisley, MO and Dolan as sources…
…and slamming a front office dude so personally.[/quote]
Not sure who else was piling on, but Jim Bowden said something extremely similar to that a few days ago.
[quote name=Berselius]Maybe the Daily Herald doesn’t pay Bruce Miles’s cell phone bill in the offseason.[/quote]
(dying laughing) or maybe bruce has been all over it, but no one knows because it’s behind the pay wall.
[quote name=GW](dying laughing) or maybe bruce has been all over it, but no one knows because it’s behind the pay wall.[/quote]
The saddest thing about Bruce’s situation is seeing Phil Rodgers bragging about how he’s flying all over the damn place for the playoffs this year when there aren’t any CHI teams involved.
[quote name=Berselius]The saddest thing about Bruce’s situation is seeing Phil Rodgers bragging about how he’s flying all over the damn place for the playoffs this year when there aren’t any CHI teams involved.[/quote]Rogers is on the national beat. I don’t even think he lives in Chicago.
[quote name=Berselius]Not sure who else was piling on, but Jim Bowden said something extremely similar to that a few days ago.[/quote]I did not know that, but I haven’t really been paying attention.
[quote name=Suburban kid 22a]Rogers is on the national beat. I don’t even think he lives in Chicago.[/quote]
It still sucks to see a hack like him flying around while Bruce is getting nickel and dimed by his own org.
[quote name=Suburban kid 22a]I did not know that, but I haven’t really been paying attention.[/quote]
I was wrong, it wasn’t Bowden, he was just slam-adjacent in this Gordo piece from last week
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/8039792-573/cubs-ask-to-talk-to-red-sox-theo-epstein.html
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What if Crane Kenney is actually the Chicago beat writers’ go-to anonymous source?
[quote name=AndCounting]What if Crane Kenney is actually the Chicago beat writers’ go-to anonymous source?[/quote]
(dying laughing), that would match Epstein’s experience in Boston, as he threatened to leave the org a few years ago because Lucchino was the go-to anonymous source there.
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/index.php/introducing-new-and-better-writers/
I think my eyes just rolled all the way around my head
Was that article a joke?
[quote name=Suburban kid 22a]Did they every actually roll out those misting stations?[/quote]
Not sure if seriously serious, but the answer is yes and they’re pretty ghetto.
[quote name=mb21]Was that article a joke?[/quote]
It’s possible that it was an ironic commentary on the duality of man within the duality of nature
So how did the Cubs end up in the draft race? 7th overall?
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21147021/dc-theo-has-5-year-deal-cubs
Dan Bernstein is plying the same non sequitur line as Chuck, implying that Theo hire ———–> $300m in public money. What?
[quote name=WaLi]So how did the Cubs end up in the draft race? 7th overall?[/quote]I think they were sixth. Shockingly there were worse teams in MLB (dying laughing)
Also, I forgot who made the Epstein-Barr joke, but it is somewhat coincidental that the Cubs’ top draft pick last year got mono.
[quote name=Berselius]http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21147021/dc-theo-has-5-year-deal-cubs[/quote]
This still isn’t officially official? Jesus, it’s like Chicago doesn’t have an effective sports media or something!
[quote name=fang2415]This still isn’t officially official? Jesus, it’s like Chicago doesn’t have an effective sports media or something![/quote]Unfortunately there’s only so many ways one can spin “no comment”.
[quote name=fang2415]This still isn’t officially official? Jesus, it’s like Chicago doesn’t have an effective sports media or something![/quote]Or is it? New stuff:
http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/report-cubs-now-a-theocracy.html