I was looking on Fangraphs at Starlin Castro‘s stats this morning and couldn’t help but notice that his .357 wOBA was almost entirely batting average (.330). It doesn’t really matter how you accomplish it, but I started to wonder about the difference in wOBA and AVG. I was specifically interested in batters who had hit .300, which is what we usually consider someone being a good hitter. Since 2001 there have been 367 qualified seasons in which a player has batted .300 or higher. Ichiro Suzuki‘s 2004 had the smallest difference between wOBA and AVG. He batted .372 and his wOBA was .379.
Three of the top five and four of the top six belong to Ichiro. Placido Polanco‘s 2001 had the 2nd lowest difference. Starlin Castro batted .300 last season and had a .325 wOBA. The .025 difference is the 13th lowest since 2001. This season’s .027 dfference would rank 18th, tied with 2003 and 2007 Luis Castillo, as well as 2009 Erick Aybar.
Ryan Theriot‘s 2008 ranks 30th and Mark Grudzielanek‘s 2003 ranks 35th. There’s not another Cubs in the top 200. After that we see Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee three times each and towards the bottom we find Sammy Sosa‘s 2001. The hitters who got the most bang for their .300 batting average is no surprise. Barry Bonds has the four top seasons in that regard (2001-2004). Jim Thome, Travis Hafner, Jim Edmonds, and Alex Rodriguez are also up there.
Seeing Ichiro with the smallest difference isn’t too surprising. He’s a ridiculously good hitter, but he doesn’t walk much and doesn’t have great power. I think it’s safe to say at this point that Castro is also a very good hitter, but probably is never going to walk much and likely won’t ever have much power. As pessimistic as you guys probably think I am about Castro, I actually compared Castro to Ichiro after only 6 weeks of big league playing time. That thought has remained there. While I think it’s still way too early to think Castro is going to have an Ichiro-like career, it’s certainly possible.
The two are more similar now than they were a year ago. Castro is probably less a free swinger than Ichiro is, but he also doesn’t have the speed of Ichiro. The similarites are fairly obvious.
- Both have needed a very high BABIP to be as productive as they have been (.352 for Castro, .355 for Ichiro)
- Neither has or will walk much. Ichiro has walked quite a bit more than Castro, but he’s also a lot older.
- Neither player has much power.
- Both of them strikeout relatively little.
- Ichiro’s career GB/FB is 2.33. Castro’s 2011 GB/FB is 2.33 (1.9 career).
- Castro has swung at more pitches out of the zone in his career, but very similar to what Ichiro has done over the last few years.
Ichiro has played tremendous defense in the outfield while Castro has struggled at SS. Their defensive value overall has been somewhat similar when you factor in positional adjustment.
It’s still early in Castro’s career. We only have a year’s worth data for him whereas we have a decade for Ichiro. Please do not think I am saying that Ichiro and Castro are the same or that Castro will be as good as Ichiro. It’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m saying the two are similar and it isn’t hard to believe that Castro could have a similar career. At the same time, you have to be an idiot if you’re expecting a 21 year old to put together a career worthy of the Hall of Fame by the time he’s 30 years old. That’s what Ichiro has done.
2.33 GB%? Do you mean GB/FB?
Z is sure throwing a lot of mid-80′s fastballs.
His two fastest were the two last pitches @ 89
KG
Josh Vitters, 3B, Cubs (Double-A Tennessee): 2-for-5, 2B, R, RBI, K. Hitting .300 in May and up to .271/.311/.439 overall; I’d say be optimistic, but every time I do that he slumps again.
(dying laughing)
Wow.
This team’s defense is laughable. They can’t get anything unless it’s straight at them and Soriano only gets 50% of those.
[quote name=Mish]2.33 GB%? Do you mean GB/FB?[/quote]Yes (dying laughing)
What just happened? It almost broke Gameday
Z didn’t back up the play right.
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]What just happened? It almost broke Gameday[/quote]
Kosuke made a low throw to Barney, who then made an errant throw to DeWitt, who couldn’t handle it and Z wasn’t in position to back up the throw so Reyes scored easily.
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]What just happened? It almost broke Gameday[/quote]
The Cubs took the field.
(dying laughing), did Quade’s head just explode?
Tony Campana is pretty fast.
[quote name=Berselius](dying laughing), did Quade’s head just explode?[/quote]
No, they didn’t call a rain delay yet.
Tony Campana circled the world twice before Reyes got to the ball.
It seemed like Barney made a fielding error then a throwing error, on the replay at least. Sure the throw was low, but Barney stood up before it even got to him.
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
TOOTBLAN!
TOOTBLAN
Wow this team is AWFUL
From Gameday, it looks like this guy can’t hit the plate with a knuckleball. All the strikes he’s throwing are fastballs. The Cubs should be launching them
Oh shit…Dickey is hurt.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/26/giants-could-target-ivan-rodriguez-after-losing-buster-posey/
Koyie is available…
[quote name=Rice Cube]Oh shit…Dickey is hurt.[/quote]
TMI
What happened? Obviously blown out elbow?
Something with his leg.
Gameday says injured ankle
[quote name=Berselius]What happened? Obviously blown out elbow?[/quote]
He fell to the ground. Might have tweaked a quad or ankle while trying to cover 1B.
Smokies game postponed, so Soto —-> one more day to wait.
Castro walked.
The sky is falling.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Castro walked.
The sky is falling.[/quote]
from this point forward, he’s on pace to have a nice little career with that 1.000 OBP
BOOM.
Carlos Pena.
Fuck yeah.
Why doesn’t Tony Campana have a face?
[quote name=WaLi]Why doesn’t Tony Campana have a face?[/quote]Table saw
I love Carlos Zambrano.
That pitch had a nasty factor of 86 too.
Kind of amusing to think that Z was sitting on the curveball.
2 walks for the Cubs this game. New season record?
[quote name=WaLi]2 walks for the Cubs this game. New season record?[/quote]
I think Pena and Fukudome have walked twice in a game by themselves so far. If Castro and Barney do walk more than twice though, then that’s a story (dying laughing)
The Cubs are winning?
Looks like Z is getting squeezed
Z’s average 4-seamer under 87 mph, sinker under 86, cutter under 88: http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=5&day=26&year=2011&game=gid_2011_05_26_nynmlb_chnmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=407296&prevGame=gid_2011_05_26_nynmlb_chnmlb_1%2F&prevDate=526
The leadoff triple and that RBI-dink were BABIP smites in my humble opinion.
Z throws about as hard as Wison Valdez.
Castro’s strikezone doubles in size when he has 2 strikes.
Soriano OBP —> up
How long before I get banned?
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Campana slows himself down by sliding headfirst into first. Crowd goes wild.
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]How long before I get banned?
.[/quote]
Too bad he didn’t really shut right up. Well played though, sir.
[quote name=ACT]Campana slows himself down by sliding headfirst into first. Crowd goes wild.[/quote]That’s the dumbest thing a baserunner can do. I do not understand it.
[quote name=mb21]That’s the dumbest thing a baserunner can do. I do not understand it.[/quote]
dumb only if you didn’t look at his “grind factor” metric before he did that. He was really struggling with his GF
[quote name=8volumesthick]dumb only if you didn’t look at his “grind factor” metric before he did that. He was really struggling with his GF[/quote]
This means something very different if GF means girlfriend.
So where the hell did Z’s velocity go? Even last season his average velocity was over 90.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]This means something very different if GF means girlfriend.[/quote]
Campana hearts R. Kelly
Z fighting off pitches like they stole his hot dog.
Z can hit
Z owns the Mets (dying laughing)
[quote name=Perkins]So where the hell did Z’s velocity go? Even last season his average velocity was over 90.[/quote]His velocity has been down this year, but not too much down from past years. The biggest difference I’ve noticed is that he doesn’t appear to be able to reach back and throw it 95 anymore. I’ve rarely seen him hit 92/93 mph this year.
(dying laughing)
Last 4 ABs (including pinch hit), Zambrano is 4-4 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B
[quote name=Jame Gumb]This means something very different if GF means girlfriend.[/quote]
Tony Campana’s GF suffers when he’s too fast.
/innuendo
Looking back, there are a number of teams I’d rather call my team. The Mets are not one of those teams.
can [quote name=jtsunami](dying laughing)
Last 4 ABs (including pinch hit), Zambrano is 4-4 1B, 1B, 1B, 2B[/quote]
can we get a hitting component for NL pitchers’ WAR already!
only kinda kidding
[quote name=8volumesthick]can
can we get a hitting component for NL pitchers’ WAR already!
only kinda kidding[/quote]
B-Ref and FanGraphs seem to separate pitchers’ WAR from offensive WAR.
Before today, Z’s pitcher WAR was 0.9 and his batting WAR was 0.1, which is pretty cool.
Z’s batting WAR is tied with Koyie’s (dying laughing)
oops
Nice sac Darwin (yes, intentional).
Here comes Mr. 97.67% FB% himself.
[quote name=mb21]His velocity has been down this year, but not too much down from past years. The biggest difference I’ve noticed is that he doesn’t appear to be able to reach back and throw it 95 anymore. I’ve rarely seen him hit 92/93 mph this year.[/quote]
Yeah I see his average velocity has been declining for the last few years; the gulf between 2010 and 2011 just seems steeper than for any other year to year, which is concerning. He’s also throwing his cutter a hell of a lot more.
Tony Campana grinds on shit when he fights with his girlfriend. Just check the stats.
Must be something with pitchers: Cliff Lee, 2-4, 3 RBI
5.5 combined fWAR in 2008 for Z. That was a fun year
[quote name=8volumesthick]5.5 combined fWAR in 2008 for Z. That was a fun year[/quote]
Correct.
Tim Byrdak is making 900,000 dollars this year. That must be awesome
[quote name=jtsunami]Nice sac Darwin (yes, intentional).
Here comes Mr. 97.67% FB% himself.[/quote](dying laughing)
[quote name=Perkins]Yeah I see his average velocity has been declining for the last few years; the gulf between 2010 and 2011 just seems steeper than for any other year to year, which is concerning. He’s also throwing his cutter a hell of a lot more.[/quote]The strikeouts are WAY down.
He’s struckout 15.5% of the batters he’s faced this season. The lowest full season in his career was 16.3% in 2008. That’s the only season he’s been below 19% in his career. in 2009 and 2010 he struckout about 20.5% of the batters.
(dying laughing)
(dying laughing)
Campana overran that ball by a mile, then had time to run all the way back to make the catch.
Denis Savard should sing the stretch all the time. He’s by far the best of the guests I’ve heard so far this season.
Is the wind that bad? Either that or Campana looks like an idiot in the field. That play he made earlier on that triple was comical.
The wind changed directions on me about five times while walking the dog about half an hour ago. So I think the wind at Wrigley is probably similar.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Denis Savard should sing the stretch all the time. He’s by far the best of the guests I’ve heard so far this season.[/quote]
“Take me oot to the Ballgame…”
(dying laughing) @ Fukudome
[quote name=mb21]He’s struckout 15.5% of the batters he’s faced this season. The lowest full season in his career was 16.3% in 2008. That’s the only season he’s been below 19% in his career. in 2009 and 2010 he struckout about 20.5% of the batters.[/quote]
And in 2008, his GB% was about 10% higher than in 2011. Then again, with the Cubs defense this year that’s probably a wash. (dying laughing)
It’s April 56th.
[quote name=Rice Cube]It’s April 56th.[/quote]Yeah
Reyes Cub’d that ball
Starlin ran through!!!!
Oh wait, no, he stopped.
I thought the All Average wOBA hitters was going to be like an All Star team of guys with league average wOBAs one at each position.
I read the whole article and it didn’t occur to me for another 20 minutes or so that you meant wOBA Hitters Whose wOBA is All Average.
[quote name=Suburban kid]I thought the All Average wOBA hitters was going to be like an All Star team of guys with league average wOBAs one at each position.
I read the whole article and it didn’t occur to me for another 20 minutes or so that you meant wOBA Hitters Whose wOBA is All Average.[/quote]it never occurred to me to make an all-star team out of league average players so we’re even.
[quote name=Suburban kid]I thought the All Average wOBA hitters was going to be like an All Star team of guys with league average wOBAs one at each position.
[/quote]
I thought the exact same thing when I saw the title.
Tie for fourth place! W00t!
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]I thought the exact same thing when I saw the title.[/quote]I guess I’m just not very creative.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Tie for fourth place! W00t![/quote]Go Cubs Win!
[quote name=mb21]I guess I’m just not very creative.[/quote]Great story. Compelling‚ and rich.
[quote name=Suburban kid]Great story. Compelling‚ and rich.[/quote]You’re so wise. You’re like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
[quote name=ZappBrannigan]I thought the exact same thing when I saw the title.[/quote]Thirded, but I’m smarter than you guys so I figured it out rather quickly.
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15216553
[quote name=Mish]Thirded, but I’m smarter than you guys so I figured it out rather quickly.[/quote]Figured what out?
[quote name=Suburban kid]Figured what out?[/quote]The Cubs suck
[quote name=Rice Cube]http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15216553[/quote]The Fukudome Flop.
(dying laughing)
Cubs just traded for this guy:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lopezro02.shtml
[quote name=mb21]You’re so wise. You’re like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.[/quote]I don’t know if you heard me. I did over a thousand.
[quote name=Suburban kid]Figured what out?[/quote]
Correct.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Cubs just traded for this guy:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lopezro02.shtml/quoteNow all they have to do is sign this guy
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=delfin001ado
Castro can’t be Ichiro, he’s not Asian. He’s clearly a right-handed Luis Castillo or a Miguel Tejada minus the power. Play by the rules mb.
[quote name=GBTS]Castro can’t be Ichiro, he’s not Asian. He’s clearly a right-handed Luis Castillo or a Miguel Tejada minus the power. Play by the rules mb.[/quote]
All Castro has to do is squint.
Z —–> Off to the doctor for a sore neck
Cubs say it is “very insignificant.”
Translation: Out for a month.
[quote name=Aisle424]Z —–> Off to the doctor for a sore neck
Cubs say it is “very insignificant.”
Translation: Out for a month.[/quote]That’s why they traded for Rodrigo Lopez. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Rice Cube]Tie for fourth place! W00t![/quote]http://www.google.com/m/url?client=safari&ei=G97eTaibOJOyMu7eq7gC&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dp9y4iXAso4I&ved=0CBkQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEX4_gQf9mrmv22vzvX8dzoikVI6Q
[quote name=Berselius]http://www.google.com/m/url?client=safari&ei=G97eTaibOJOyMu7eq7gC&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3Dp9y4iXAso4I&ved=0CBkQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEX4_gQf9mrmv22vzvX8dzoikVI6Q[/quote]good call
I’ll be checking back tomorrow for that All Average wOBA team post.
I don’t know if you guys realize this, but soon the Cubs will have 5 lefties in their bullpen (when Garza returns): Doug Davis, John Grabow, Scott Maine, Sean Marshall and James Russell. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]I don’t know if you guys realize this, but soon the Cubs will have 5 lefties in their bullpen (when Garza returns): Doug Davis, John Grabow, Scott Maine, Sean Marshall and James Russell. (dying laughing)[/quote]
ugh…
[quote name=GW]ugh…[/quote]It’s the new thing. The all lefty bullpen. I’m excited. (dying laughing)
[quote name=Aisle424]Z —–> Off to the doctor for a sore neck
Cubs say it is “very insignificant.”
Translation: Out for a month.[/quote]
only 2 ways you can get a sore neck ya know..
I think they should release Kerry Wood and call up John Gaub.
[quote name=Horny Goat]only 2 ways you can get a sore neck ya know..[/quote]
Haven’t heard that… do tell
[quote name=mb21]I think they should release Kerry Wood and call up John Gaub.[/quote]Why go through the trouble? Just make Blake Dewitt the 5th starter and See What Happens.
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[quote name=GW]Haven’t heard that… do tell[/quote]
[quote name=Aisle424]Z —–> Off to the doctor for a sore neck
Cubs say it is “very insignificant.”
Translation: Torn Labrum.[/quote]/Cub’d
So what you’re saying, MB, is that Castro will pretty much be as awesome as Ichiro? Sold!
This is how the Cubs make me feel:
So…that was unexpected.
So do we need a thread for baseball being the only sport in Chicago now?*
*I’m aware of the end of sports history
[quote name=Mish]So do we need a thread for baseball being the only sport in Chicago now?*
*I’m aware of the end of sports history[/quote]
Don’t the soccer people play too? (dying laughing)
I don’t really hate D-Wade or LeBron…I think they’re excellent athletes. I still want them to lose though. Gotta pull for my fellow Cal boy Jason Kidd now.
BTW, Simpson finally got his first career win at Peoria.
[quote name=Rice Cube]Don’t the soccer people play too? (dying laughing)
I don’t really hate D-Wade or LeBron…I think they’re excellent athletes. I still want them to lose though. Gotta pull for my fellow Cal boy Jason Kidd now.[/quote]
It would take every ounce of restraint to keep from junk-punching LeBron if I ever had the opportunity. Jail and the inevitable beating I would take would almost be worth it.
I used to root for him because he was trying to raise a dead city to the height of the NBA all by himself. Then he abandoned them and rubbed their noses in it and then acts like a child every time he does anything well on a basketball court or he is the beneficiary of bullshit calls.
Lance Berkman goes to him for acting classes. Fuck him. He can die in a fire with Kevin Millar.
[quote name=Aisle424]He can die in a fire with Kevin Millar.[/quote]
I don’t watch NBA so I don’t care about LeBron. As long as Millar is in there with him, I will support this though.
Someone let JG know that this blog now fully supports Mark Cuban.
I’m not quite as upset as 424. Lebron is a massive dbag, but he’s still a great and I enjoy watching him play. It’s a kick in the balls, but there’s no point in wallowing loser’s lament. I don’t want to be one of the fans bemoaning foul calls and officiating and Bartman (even tho I do think there were questionable calls throughout the series). Just me though, go through whatever catharsis you need to. I’m ready to move onto the
CubsRaysa TV series on Netflix.I don’t have a problem with what LBJ did. If people weren’t interested in watching a silly show where he chose which team he went to there never would have been one.
Rhee: 5 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 10 K, 1 BB, 3-0 GO-FO
Simpson: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 7 K, 1 BB, 4-4 GO-FO
[quote name=mb21]I don’t have a problem with what LBJ did. If people weren’t interested in watching a silly show where he chose which team he went to there never would have been one.[/quote]
Yah – as contrived as it all was, he didn’t do anything that I’m necessarily against. There’s the lack of humility and all that, but I try not to confuse personalities with athletic excellence. He’s the best player on the planet and probably going to be a Top 5 all-time player. The Bulls are still building, and they’re already ahead of schedule.
[quote name=GBTS]Someone let JG know that this blog now fully supports Mark Cuban.[/quote]
I think most of the world does too. Hell, I bet even Alvin is rooting for Cuban’s team.
From the Scout’s View secion of On The Beat from BP:
Cubs outfielder Tony Campana: “This kid can fly. I clocked him at 3.8 seconds from home to first. He has game-changing type speed like Darren Ford and Jarrod Dyson. If he cuts down on the strikeouts and puts the ball in play more, he could be a weapon.”
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What do tigers dream of when they take their little tiger snooze?
[quote name=Rice Cube]What do fagets dream of when they take their little faget snooze?[/quote].
http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-all-american-problems-could-be-solved-by-jus,20515/
David Cone on advanced stats:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/david_cone_on_advanced_stats_the_end_of_his_playing_career_and_riding_on_da/#When:13:24:08Z
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2011/05/25/infant_found_unresponsive_in_p.html
I was surprised at how many people on the Longhorns board were against prosecuting a parent who does this. The support for this is that it’s not malevolent and that the grief over being responsible for the death of your child is punishment enough.
IMO, it’s clear you HAVE TO prosecute anyone who leaves a child in a car all day. If not, you’re basically legalizing the murder of children.
What’s the OV take on prosecuting in these cases?
[quote name=Jame Gumb].[/quote]
You seem repressed.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2011/05/25/infant_found_unresponsive_in_p.html
I was surprised at how many people on the Longhorns board were against prosecuting a parent who does this. The support for this is that it’s not malevolent and that the grief over being responsible for the death of your child is punishment enough.
IMO, it’s clear you HAVE TO prosecute anyone who leaves a child in a car all day. If not, you’re basically legalizing the murder of children.
What’s the OV take on prosecuting in these cases?[/quote]
That seems like negligence and I thought that was normally prosecuted.
/not a lawyer
[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2011/05/25/infant_found_unresponsive_in_p.html
I was surprised at how many people on the Longhorns board were against prosecuting a parent who does this. The support for this is that it’s not malevolent and that the grief over being responsible for the death of your child is punishment enough.
IMO, it’s clear you HAVE TO prosecute anyone who leaves a child in a car all day. If not, you’re basically legalizing the murder of children.
What’s the OV take on prosecuting in these cases?[/quote]I haven’t read the article, but if you leave an infant or child in the car you should absolutely be prosecuted.
Nice snark.
The blogger snark is strong today.
Prison exists to rehabilitate criminals and prevent crime through fear.
I agree with the rationale that some parents shouldn’t be prosecuted for this. If I did it, I’d probably just off myself. Or start killing gang members until they killed me. I don’t need rehabilitation or fear of doing it again.
Some people throw their newborn babies into dumpsters. If there’s no punishment for leaving a baby in a car all day, it would “accidentally” happen all the time. Yet at the same time, people are going to kill/abandon babies all the time.
There are many shades of gray between those extremes, but the law doesn’t allow for that.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/052611-homeowner-kills-teen-burglary-suspect
It’s not a direct quote — so who knows if she really said this — and she is a grieving parent, but fuck you.
“How dare you defend your home against an intruder without trying to scare him away first?!”
It’s definitely criminal negligence and there should be some sort of just desserts. That said, locking up these parents with violent criminals also doesn’t strike me as the most appropriate response. I’m not sure what I think, since I’m not a fan of how the prison system is used as a catch-all for all criminals when various crimes warrant different (or in many drug-related cases, no) punishments.
[quote name=Mish]It’s definitely criminal negligence and there should be some sort of just desserts. That said, locking up these parents with violent criminals also doesn’t strike me as the most appropriate response. I’m not sure what I think, since I’m not a fan of how the prison system is used as a catch-all for all criminals when various crimes warrant different (or in many drug-related cases, no) punishments.[/quote]
I think negligent parents go to resort prison rather than federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
CHLHolder 3 minutes ago
Good Job Mr. Homeowner. It makes me happy that the last thought going through that punks mind was “Oh wow, that bullet really burns in my chest.” Too bad he didn’t live a little longer to suffer more and really feel the pain. And what is even better–the assailant ran off and jumped over the fence, leaving his carcass for someone else to clean up, not polluting the homeowners property with the pile of human waste that he was. Good riddance. Burn in hell you big mound of rotting human immorality. I hope it burns in your chest for eternity. Hallelujah!
Thats the first comment from that article.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/052611-homeowner-kills-teen-burglary-suspect
It’s not a direct quote — so who knows if she really said this — and she is a grieving parent, but fuck you.
“How dare you defend your home against an intruder without trying to scare him away first?!”[/quote]
Isn’t this why they have “trespassers will be shot” signs? It’d be pretty stupid for the law to not protect the people whose homes are being invaded.
[quote name=Mish]locking up these parents with violent criminals also doesn’t strike me as the most appropriate response.[/quote]
For a parent like me, whose guilt and sorrow would be greater punishment than any prison, it’s abosolutely not an appropriate response.
For a parent who kills an infant rather than care for it, it’s an underwhelming response.
[quote name=dylanj]CHLHolder 3 minutes ago
Good Job Mr. Homeowner. It makes me happy that the last thought going through that punks mind was “Oh wow, that bullet really burns in my chest.” Too bad he didn’t live a little longer to suffer more and really feel the pain. And what is even better–the assailant ran off and jumped over the fence, leaving his carcass for someone else to clean up, not polluting the homeowners property with the pile of human waste that he was. Good riddance. Burn in hell you big mound of rotting human immorality. I hope it burns in your chest for eternity. Hallelujah!
Thats the first comment from that article.[/quote]
Little overboard. Possible bit.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]For a parent like me, whose guilt and sorrow would be greater punishment than any prison, it’s abosolutely not an appropriate response.
For a parent who kills an infant rather than care for it, it’s an underwhelming response.[/quote]
Don’t disagree with that.
[quote name=Rice Cube]It’d be pretty stupid for the law to not protect the people whose homes are being invaded.[/quote]
You’d think, but many states still don’t. Texas only did recently.
[quote name=Mish]Don’t disagree with that.[/quote]
The problem is it would place too great a burden on our judicial system to attempt to distinguish in each case. Also, I doubt all cases fall under either extreme.
That too. It’s tricky and I’m not sure where I fall into it.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]Little overboard. Possible bit.[/quote]
A bit vengeful.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]You’d think, but many states still don’t. Texas only did recently.[/quote]I read a case from Texas involving a guy suing his neighbor because the neighbor’s pet boar continually harassed him, and eventually gored him on his way to work one morning. He eventually won because there was strict liability imposed on owners who kept wild animals as pets, but the court said the plaintiff may have been equally negligent for just not killing the boar. (dying laughing) Texas.
[quote name=GBTS]I read a case from Texas involving a guy suing his neighbor because the neighbor’s pet boar continually harassed him, and eventually gored him on his way to work one morning. He eventually won because there was strict liability imposed on owners who kept wild animals as pets, but the court said the plaintiff may have been equally negligent for just not killing the boar. (dying laughing) Texas.[/quote]
Mmmm. Bacon.
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/keeping_your_batting_order_static/
[quote name=Jame Gumb]http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/052611-homeowner-kills-teen-burglary-suspect
It’s not a direct quote — so who knows if she really said this — and she is a grieving parent, but fuck you.
“How dare you defend your home against an intruder without trying to scare him away first?!”[/quote]
I’ve never understood that about our society. Someone is breaking into this guy’s home. He has a right to defend himself and the property. The guy caused his own death. If he doesn’t break into a home, he’s still alive.
[quote name=Mish]http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/keeping_your_batting_order_static/[/quote]
Interesting.
This makes me think of Mike Quade releasing lineups months in advance for some reason (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]I’ve never understood that about our society. Someone is breaking into this guy’s home. He has a right to defend himself and the property. The guy caused his own death. If he doesn’t break into a home, he’s still alive.[/quote]
Agreed. It’s even worse when it comes to Police SWAT raids (tangential I know). You can regularly see stories of cops performing no-knock, warrantless raids of “suspected criminals” (often petty drug users if anything at all) where SWAT teams barge in with flash bangs and sometimes guns blazing. When people naturally see men with guns barge into their home with no warning, the instinct is to shoot the intruders.
In scenarios like that, if the homeowner hits a police officer, he’ll get more than the full force of the law thrown at him, while if the illegally-entering kills the homeowner, he may get suspended with pay.
The notion of the home as your property and castle has gone by the wayside, most notably by the SC decision this week.
[quote name=Jame Gumb]The problem is it would place too great a burden on our judicial system to attempt to distinguish in each case. Also, I doubt all cases fall under either extreme.[/quote]I don’t want them to in this specific case. If you leave an infant in a car, it’s going to die. I don’t really care about the individual person who does or how bad they’ll feel. I don’t want the parent to be sent to a prison with the worst offenders, but there clearly need to be a penalty here and it’s not going to bed without dinner.
[quote name=dylanj]CHLHolder 3 minutes ago
Good Job Mr. Homeowner. It makes me happy that the last thought going through that punks mind was “Oh wow, that bullet really burns in my chest.” Too bad he didn’t live a little longer to suffer more and really feel the pain. And what is even better–the assailant ran off and jumped over the fence, leaving his carcass for someone else to clean up, not polluting the homeowners property with the pile of human waste that he was. Good riddance. Burn in hell you big mound of rotting human immorality. I hope it burns in your chest for eternity. Hallelujah!
Thats the first comment from that article.[/quote](dying laughing) that can’t be real.
any reports on Simpson’s velocity last night?
[quote name=dylanj]any reports on Simpson’s velocity last night?[/quote]
Still not as fast as Tony Campana.
[quote name=The Operator]I’m sorry, but your scratching is up. Please deposit another record, or else your party will be terminated .[/quote]Honey, I’ve got rhythms I haven’t even used yet.
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