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  • Taking a closer look at the Cubs supersized rotation

    The Cubs currently have 6 starting pitchers on the roster*. Those 6 include Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster, Paul Maholm, Travis Wood, Chris Volstad and Randy Wells. Jeff Samardzija is also going to be stretched out in spring training, but may return to the bullpen when the season begins. The Cubs also have Andy Sonnanstine and Casey Coleman. If Trey McNutt gets off to a strong start in 2012 he could see some playing time too.

    * Maholm is not yet on the roster as the Cubs are required to make a corresponding roster move as they already have 40 guys on their roster. The most likely candidates, in my opinion, is one of the left-handed relievers. Since Jeff Beliveau was added to the roster this offseason he’s not leaving. Neither is James Russell. That leaves John Gaub or Scott Maine. If Sonnanstine ends up relief the Cubs will have no use for either of them and with Beliveau not far away one of them is expendable. Other candidates could be Alberto Cabrera, Marcos Mateo or less likely Tony Campana.

    Obviously the Cubs aren’t going to have a 6-man rotation. The 5 best will be in the rotation with the remaining starters available in case of injury or ineffectiveness. Below are 8 Cubs starters and their Oliver projected ERA and FIP.

    Oliver ERA FIP
    Garza, Matt 3.69 3.70
    Wood, Travis 4.12 3.75
    Paul Maholm 4.45 4.03
    Dempster, Ryan 4.36 4.07
    Wells, Randy 4.25 4.36
    Volstad, Chris 4.75 4.64
    Coleman, Casey 4.70 4.71
    Samardzija, Jeff 4.51 4.72

    Oliver thinks more highly of Wood than I’m guessing most other projection systems do. Oliver also sees a distinct difference between the top 5 and bottom 3. There is little difference between Volstad, Coleman and Samardzija. This is what the Cubs starters, including some work from Volstad would be worth using WAR:

    Pitcher IP FIP WAR
    Matt Garza 200 3.70 3.8
    Travis Wood 180 3.75 3.3
    Paul Maholm 170 4.03 2.5
    Ryan Dempster 160 4.07 2.3
    Randy Wells 140 4.36 1.5
    Chris Volstad 100 4.64 0.8

    The IP are my estimates and it’s not based on player projections, but rather starting the number 1 (Garza) at 200 IP and dropping each spot after that. That’s not a bad rotation based on the Oliver projections. CAIRO projects a 4.11 FIP for Wood for what it’s worth.


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    105 Responses to “Taking a closer look at the Cubs supersized rotation”

    1. 1 Rice Cube says:

      So the Cubs MIGHT get more than 70 wins…I guess that’s contingent on whether Garza sticks around though.

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    2. 2 Rice Cube says:

      I mean…

      .

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    3. 3 Rodrigo says:

      .

      Sorry, guys.

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    4. 4 Rodrigo says:

      Stupid smart? phone

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    5. 5 Rodrigo says:

      Next time I’ll just pretend I have something constructive to contribute.

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    6. 6 GBTS says:

      It’s admirable that you’re still churning out new content even after the mishap, MB: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/06/10009107-penis-tattoo-gives-guy-permanent-erection

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    7. 7 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo]Next time I’ll just pretend I have something constructive to contribute.[/quote]Or you could login (dying laughing)

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    8. 8 mb21 says:

      [quote name=GBTS]It’s admirable that you’re still churning out new content even after the mishap, MB: http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/06/10009107-penis-tattoo-gives-guy-permanent-erection/quoteI'm a good person.

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    9. 9 Rodrigo says:

      [quote name=mb21]Or you could login (dying laughing)[/quote]
      Nice, snark.

      But yea I’ll start doing that (dying laughing)

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    10. 10 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo]Nice, snark.

      But yea I’ll start doing that (dying laughing)[/quote]I’m not complaining. I’m just letting you know that’s all you’d have to do to see the comments until the cache expires

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    11. 11 JMan says:

      Madsen to the Reds. That bullpen is looking strong. The Cards are the favorites on paper but that team is littered with guys unlikely to stay healthy all year. Reds look like they could take the division with some ease.

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    12. 12 Rodrigo says:

      [quote name=mb21]I’m not complaining. I’m just letting you know that’s all you’d have to do to see the comments until the cache expires[/quote]
      Thanks for letting me know.

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    13. 13 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo]Thanks for letting me know.[/quote]Don’t thank him for letting you know.

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    14. 14 Mish says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Don’t thank him for letting you know.[/quote]Don’t tell him not to thank him for letting him know.

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    15. 15 Mish says:

      I heart Cubs fans

      (dying laughing) this should come as no surprise to Cubs fans seeing that this one trick pony Theo Epstein is a joker …. Does not make a move for a great young first baseman that we can have “susatining success” with and build a great team around … Gets rid of a young dominant left handed pitcher in which we could build a good young team around .. And has left us with at best a 12 home run clean up hitter …. Theo Epstein congrats on putting a worse team on Wrigley Field this time then last year … and congrats on the ticket prices will probably be higher then last year so we can pay major league prices for a minor league team … And congrats for not understanding that with over 2000 kids coming out of college ball each year our minor league system builds itself … So when you say you like to start with the farm system you fail to realize that no year should ever be a rebuilding year for any team because fans come first and no fan wants to go through what we saw last year, and what will most likely be even worse this year … Theo Epstein you are a one trick pony and I hate you !!!!

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    16. 16 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mish]Don’t tell him not to thank him for letting him know.[/quote]Don’t tell me to not tell him to not thank him for letting him know.

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    17. 17 Mish says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Don’t tell me to not tell him to not thank him for letting him know.[/quote]Yes.

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    18. 18 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mish]I heart Cubs fans[/quote]We should put that on a t-shirt.

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    19. 19 Mish says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]We should put that on a t-shirt.[/quote]With a pony.

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    20. 20 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mish]With a pony.[/quote]
      That would probably be copyright infringement. We’ll use Ronnie Woo-Woo instead.

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    21. 21 bubblesdachimp says:

      Whats the deal with Aroldis Chapman.

      They gonna let him start?

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    22. 22 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Whats the deal with Aroldis Chapman.

      They gonna let him start?[/quote]

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    23. 23 Suburban kid says:

      MB, I still have the ticket from your coronation. It was truly a glorious day.

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    24. 24 GBTS says:

      I’m glad I gave Mulligan Stew a second try. The first time was awful.

      /rimshot

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    25. 25 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=GBTS]I’m glad I gave Mulligan Stew a second try. The first time was awful.

      /rimshot[/quote]Bit subtle for a rimshot, no?

      Now, ST’s gif of a woman taking a dump in a grocery store aisle deserved a rimshot.

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    26. 26 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Bit subtle for a rimshot, no?

      Now, ST’s gif of a woman taking a dump in a grocery store aisle deserved a rimshot.[/quote]Everybody poops.

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    27. 27 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    28. 28 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    29. 29 dylanj says:

      sweet pics ryno

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    30. 30 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint][/quote]
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    31. 31 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=dylanj]sweet pics ryno[/quote]
      Thanks!

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    32. 33 Mish says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Bit subtle for a rimshot, no?

      Now, ST’s gif of a woman taking a dump in a grocery store aisle deserved a rimshot.[/quote]

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    33. 34 Snyds01 says:

      [quote name=Mish][/quote]
      Her fingering is all wrong

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    34. 35 Snyds01 says:

      Unbelievably funny. I just ran into an absolute gem from Shawn D. Fool’s Goldman, written a couple weeks ago. This stupid fucking faggot is the epitome of ‘austerity mistaken for intelligence’. Dude acts and sounds so fucking professorial that it fools the dumb hicks at ACB. Meanwhile, he’s a shit mathematician [...]http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=badnewscubs.wordpress.com&blog=1050230&post=587&subd=badnewscubs&ref=&feed=1 Read More on badnewscubs.wordpress.com (http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/acb-its-own-bcb/)

      http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/acb-its-own-bcb/

      Since I know he pops in from time to time…

      EDIT: that site no longer exists apparently…

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    35. 36 mb21 says:

      (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    36. 37 Snyds01 says:

      Cubs News September 7th, 2009, 09:19 PM I’m not going to get into details, you can find them here. But, I am pleased to see that over a year later, Maddog at ACB has finally done the right thing and apologized to me on an important, literally criminal matter. I have never contacted his wife and have never had any inclination to [...]http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=badnewscubs.wordpress.com&blog=1050230&post=544&subd=badnewscubs&ref=&feed=1 Read More on badnewscubs.wordpress.com (http://badnewscubs.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/maddog-aka-mb21-at-acb-finally-does-the-right-thing/)

      and one for MB

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    37. 39 Suburban kid says:

      That’s not an accordion, it’s a concertina.

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    38. 41 Rice Cube says:

      Dare I ask what Shawn and MB wrote that ruffled that guy’s feathers?

      (Yes…yes I dare)

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    39. 42 Snyds01 says:

      who is “The Hawk” or “Tyger”

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    40. 44 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mish]http://didthewizardswinlastnight.com/[/quote]
      I’m not going to follow that link unless you summarize the entire thing.

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    41. 45 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Alvin]Dear Theo and Jed,

      Hi! How are you doing? Enjoying Chicago so far? We haven’t had much of a winter here yet, so it’s probably been easy and comfortable for you to get to work at the corner of Clark & Addison. I hear you two have been pretty busy working late nights, examining the organization from top to bottom; so far I like all the deals and signings you have made in re-making the Cubs major league roster and acquiring additional depth for the minor league system.

      I’m excited about the future. You guys had success together in Boston and I know you know what you’re doing and believe me, I understand your method. You can’t just go for the quick fix as the Cubs have for the last decade; if the two of you and Jason McLeod and the others you have brought in can build a strong top-to-bottom organization, then the Cubs can become a team that can contend for the postseason every year, and win a couple of times in a decade like your old team in Boston did.

      I get it. And I like the way you’ve begun the process. It’s the right way to go.

      I have only one question this morning. Why haven’t you signed Kerry Wood yet?[/quote].

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    42. 46 Aisle424 says:

      believe me, I understand your method.

      Why haven’t you ignored your method and signed Kerry Wood yet?

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    43. 47 Rice Cube says:

      Aisley, is that real?

      If so, I hope Theo and Jed have a really good laugh.

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    44. 48 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Snyds01]who is “The Hawk” or “Tyger”[/quote]Tyger used to comment regularly on ACB. TheHawk is just some idiot and I have no idea why he’s even being discussed at this point. That shit got old in 2008.

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    45. 49 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Aisle424](dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)[/quote]I still don’t understand Cubs fans.

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    46. 50 dylanj says:

      Hey Maddog, why dont you live in Chicago and meet some real Cubs fans instead of 22 year old college kids on your piece of shit fucking blog.

      Such Poetry.

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    47. 51 dylanj says:

      [quote name=mb21]Tyger used to comment regularly on ACB. TheHawk is just some idiot and I have no idea why he’s even being discussed at this point. That shit got old in 2008.[/quote]
      That guy was responsible for some of the greatest threads in ACB history. Quasi Papal Outfit will live on through time

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    48. 52 mb21 says:

      I get it. And I like the way you’ve begun the process. It’s the right way to go.

      I have only one question this morning. Why haven’t you signed Kerry Wood yet?

      He already answered it. It may not be the right way to go. (dying laughing)

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    49. 53 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Aisley, is that real?

      If so, I hope Theo and Jed have a really good laugh.[/quote]

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    50. 54 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2PicT9Kng[/quote]Imagine my surprise when I realized she was a recurring guest on MacGyver. Boy she aged horribly.

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    51. 55 Aisle424 says:

      I wish I had time to FJM that thing. That is gold.

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    52. 56 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]I wish I had time to FJM that thing. That is gold.[/quote]Was that the whole letter, or was there more?

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    53. 58 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      Feeling kind of mocky today. Anyone interested in an NFL mock draft?

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    54. 59 dylanj says:

      you should be focusing on the first SF playoff game in 8 years. Break it down for us Boomer

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    55. 60 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Was that the whole letter, or was there more?[/quote]
      That was just the intro.

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    56. 61 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      That letter from Al reads like a 10 year old wrote it. How is not embarrassed by that shit????

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    57. 62 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=dylanj]you should be focusing on the first SF playoff game in 8 years. Break it down for us Boomer[/quote]
      Dear 49ers,

      You will lose.

      Sincerely,

      Ivan Drago

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    58. 64 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]That was just the intro.[/quote]Oh, so he wrote about 100000 other words with 2000000 commas thrown in?

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    59. 65 Mucker says:

      Are any Bears fans actually surprised to watch the Bears fuck up this GM search? They are one of the worst front offices in sports. They will most likely end up with Ruskell and we will be begging for Angelo back.

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    60. 66 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Are any Bears fans actually surprised to watch the Bears fuck up this GM search? They are one of the worst front offices in sports. They will most likely end up with Ruskell and we will be begging for Angelo back.[/quote]My suspicion at this point is that this was always going to be Ruskell’s job, just the Bears had to find a way to sell it. Fortunately for the fans, Hub Arkush blew the lid off that bullshit yesterday. This is about 2 things:

      1.) Ted Phillips knows less about football than the ball itself
      2.) Money

      Ruskell is already here, already under contract. It basically is a break-even move to fire Angelo and elevate Ruskell, and that, as Hub says, is the extent of Ted Phillips’ football knowledge. So they play-act at a search, let the good candidates get gobbled up, make the rejection of their overtures towards a couple candidates very public, and then say “Well, Ruskell is the best last option.” They sabotaged this “search” from the outset by guaranteeing A.) that Lovie would remain HC in 2012 and B.) by publicly stating Lovie would involved in the search and hire. The Bears (and I only realize this now after hearing Hub yesterday) never wanted another GM. It was always Ruskell. If someone falls in their lap, they might hire them. But the Bears will be as inert as possible until the time when they must hire a GM (around mid-February), and unless someone begs for the job, they’ll hire Ruskell and pretend like they were forced into making the decision they made the minute Angelo was fired.

      Which is a really long-winded and bitter way of saying no, I am not surprised by this. (dying laughing)

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    61. 67 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]My suspicion at this point is that this was always going to be Ruskell’s job, just the Bears had to find a way to sell it. Fortunately for the fans, Hub Arkush blew the lid off that bullshit yesterday. This is about 2 things:

      1.) Ted Phillips knows less about football than the ball itself
      2.) Money

      Ruskell is already here, already under contract. It basically is break-even move to fire Angelo and elevate Ruskell, and, as Hub says, is the extent of Ted Phillips’ football knowledge. So they play-act at a search, let the good candidates get gobbled up, make the rejection of their overtures towards a couple candidates very public, and then say “Well, Ruskell is the best last option.” They sabotaged this “search” from the outset by guaranteeing A.) that Lovie would remain HC in 2012 and B.) by publicly stating Lovie would involved in the search and hire. The Bears (and I only realize this now after hearing Hub yesterday) never wanted another GM. It was always Ruskell. If someone falls in their lap, they might hire them. But the Bears will be as inert as possible until the time when they must hire a GM (around mid-February), and unless someone begs for the job, they’ll hire Ruskell and pretend like they were forced into making the decision they made the minute Angelo was fired.

      Which is a really long-winded and bitter way of saying no, I am not surprised by this. (dying laughing)[/quote]
      You’re missing the important question here, MO. Does Ruskell bring his lunch pail to work with him?

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    62. 68 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]by publicly stating Lovie would involved in the search and hire.[/quote]
      Is that true?? Isn’t that the same thing as an employee hiring his boss? Lovie is going to reject anyone that is going to fire his ass, which is most likely all candidates.

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    63. 69 Mish says:

      “Sure, I’d love to GM your team, even t hough you totally hamstring me by not allowing me to pick my own head coach”.

      –No one, ever

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    64. 70 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]You’re missing the important question here, MO. Does Ruskell bring his lunch pail to work with him?[/quote]DIS IS A BLEW KAWLER TOWN AND WE NEEDT BLEW KAWLER FOLKS TA RUN DESE TEAMZ.

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    65. 72 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=WaLi]Is that true?? Isn’t that the same thing as an employee hiring his boss? Lovie is going to reject anyone that is going to fire his ass, which is most likely all candidates.[/quote]Well, this exposes the lie, doesn’t it?

      The Bears aren’t hiring a GM, and I should have realized that after the PC, but I got smokescreened badly. They are hiring a Pro Personnel Director, despite their protestations to the contrary. So Lovie isn’t hiring his boss–he’s hiring his co-worker.

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    66. 74 WaLi says:

      [quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Fun little interview with Kerry.

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/celebrity/aboutlastnight/chi-interview-kerry-wood-charity-event-20120111,0,2200718.column/quoteBest part of that story:

      spring training starts next month

      .

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    67. 75 Mucker says:

      Is it too much for me to believe that the Bears will just promote Ruskell just to clean house in 3 years when Lovie’s contract is up? I just don’t see the Bears ever firing Lovie unless they go 6-10 or worse.

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    68. 76 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]Is it too much for me to believe that the Bears will just promote Ruskell just to clean house in 3 years when Lovie’s contract is up?[/quote]Hub was saying yesterday that there’s a good chance the team is sold by then, because the estate tax on the team if Virginia tried to pass it down would be crippling, as the team is valued at somewhere around 70-90 mil. In my opinion, that could only be a good thing. Rid this team of the scourge of the McCaskey’s

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    69. 77 jtsunami says:

      Someone on another forum claimed that the presence of Koyie Hill added .1 WAR to each and every player in the clubhouse. No only did she (yes, she) come up with this farce, but she also put a tangible number on how much he affects the players. True story.

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    70. 78 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    71. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=jtsunami]Someone on another forum claimed that the presence of Koyie Hill added .1 WAR to each and every player in the clubhouse. No only did she (yes, she) come up with this farce, but she also put a tangible number on how much he affects the players. True story.[/quote]Oh, you gotta cut and paste that shit here.

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    72. 80 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint][/quote]That is an insult to their best fuckin’ customers.

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    73. 81 Mish says:

      [quote name=jtsunami]Someone on another forum claimed that the presence of Koyie Hill added .1 WAR to each and every player in the clubhouse. No only did she (yes, she) come up with this farce, but she also put a tangible number on how much he affects the players. True story.[/quote]The mind boggles…and yes, copypasta please.

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    74. 82 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mish]The mind boggles…and yes, copypasta please.[/quote]Surely just a link will do.

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    75. 83 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Surely just a link will do.[/quote]I won’t click on it, SK.

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    76. 84 Mish says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Surely just a link will do.[/quote]Don’t call me Shirley.

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    77. 85 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mish]Don’t call me Shirley.[/quote]Don’t tell him what to do.

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    78. 86 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Hub was saying yesterday that there’s a good chance the team is sold by then, because the estate tax on the team if Virginia tried to pass it down would be crippling, as the team is valued at somewhere around 70-90 mil. In my opinion, that could only be a good thing. Rid this team of the scourge of the McCaskey’s[/quote]70-90 million? Do you mean 700-900 million?

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    79. 87 jtsunami says:

      sbrownies Feb 2011 Posts: 184 I will miss him. Was a good success story. Yeah, he might’ve had a negative WAR but those fancy numbers don’t account for clubhouse chemistry and how he helped the team. i bet just having him around added +.1 WAR to every player there. His attitude was just that good.

      This goes perfectly with the recent clubhouse chemistry and good person discussion. (dying laughing)

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    80. 88 jtsunami says:

      She then proceeded to call everyone stat nerds for disagreeing (dying laughing)

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    81. 89 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mucker]70-90 million? Do you mean 700-900 million?[/quote]Yes. I was using Sullivan math. All apologies.

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    82. 90 Mucker says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Yes. I was using Sullivan math. All apologies.[/quote](dying laughing) I thought that looked a little low

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    83. 91 mb21 says:

      [quote name=jtsunami]Someone on another forum claimed that the presence of Koyie Hill added .1 WAR to each and every player in the clubhouse. No only did she (yes, she) come up with this farce, but she also put a tangible number on how much he affects the players. True story.[/quote]I need a link to this stuff. (dying laughing)

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    84. 92 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Suburban kid]Surely just a link will do.[/quote]So you can complain later? (dying laughing)

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    85. 93 Mish says:

      [quote name=mb21]So you can complain later? (dying laughing)[/quote](dying laughing)

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    86. 94 Mish says:

      Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

      Source: #Cubs and Kerry Wood are close on a one-year deal that will include a 2013 option.

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    87. 95 Mish says:

      This was the guy who called Koyie Hill “Popular”, so take it FWIW. (dying laughing)

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    88. 96 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Mish]Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

      Source: #Cubs and Kerry Wood are close on a one-year deal that will include a 2013 option.[/quote]

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    89. 97 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mish]This was the guy who called Koyie Hill “Popular”, so take it FWIW. (dying laughing)[/quote]To be fair, Moronski probably meant Koyie was popular with pitchers, GMs, Lou Piniella, etc., not the fans. I think.

      Also, he must be right about the Wood deal. He is not based in Chicago.

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    90. 98 dylanj says:

      Jeff Bianchi we hardly knew ye

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    91. 99 Mish says:

      [quote name=dylanj]Jeff Bianchi we hardly knew ye[/quote]The Brewers claimed him, right? So I expect him to go on a hot streak that leads idiot Cubs fans to claim we should never have let him be taken.

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    92. 100 dylanj says:

      im just amazed we still have 7 fucking OF on the 40 man.

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    93. 101 Aisle424 says:

      So we can all agree that jtsunami is full of shit until there is a link posted, right?

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    94. 102 WaLi says:

      This is… interesting..

      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398754,00.asp

      “a thousand dildos for the military wives”—in this case, Internet-connected sex toys that can let families thousands of miles apart get intimate

      Based on data from an Internet connection, the unit warms up, lubes up, pulses and grips any item stuck into it. On the other end of a connection, a “performer”—who could be a paid “cam girl,” or the aforementioned military wife—hand-operates a sensor-covered rod to run the motors in the RealTouch.

      .
      I should have been a teledildonic engineer.

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    95. 103 jtsunami says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]So we can all agree that jtsunami is full of shit until there is a link posted, right?[/quote](dying laughing)

      http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=685039&page=2

      SK lead me to believe that links were bad manners.

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    96. 104 mb21 says:

      new thread: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/minor-leagues/a-comparison-of-two-prospects2.html

      For SK: this link is about comparing the top two Cubs prospects, Brett Jackson and Anthony Rizzo. (dying laughing)

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