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  • Measuring Heart: A Scale of 1 to Santo

    Executive Chairperson-in-Chief via Proxy cum Laude slash Editor’s note: I offered the chance to pick a post topic in exchange for American Idol results. Emily came through for me and picked the topic “Santo!” I found it to be a perfectly timed suggestion. Thanks, Emily, for not forcing me to compromise my already discredited journablogistic integrity.

    I’ve heard it said that heart cannot be measured. I call BS. I can measure heart. I can see it on display. I can admire it in ample quantities. I can even put a number on it: 10.

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    How much explanation do you need for this? When Cubs fans talk about heart, we can agree almost universally that Ron Santo is the gold standard. He was the epitome of toughness, courage, loyalty, resilience, and enthusiasm—all the elements comprising that ethereal quality we call heart. Cubs legend Ron Santo had it all. On the scale of heart, Ron Santo was a perfect 10.

    We can agree without much debate that Ron Santo had heart, but before we go measuring this or any other player or team on the Santo scale, let’s be clear about Ron Santo’s accomplishments in the field of gutsiness.

    Ron Santo was a gifted athlete. He put up monster numbers, Hall of Fame worthy numbers (as mb21 states eloquently and convincingly). Ron Santo being talented really doesn’t have much to do with heart. He was, as the saying goes, good at sports. Ron Santo excelling at a Hall-of-Fame level while battling diabetes at a time when not a whole lot was known about treating diabetes? That shows heart.

    Ron Santo tirelessly working to raise money for JDRF, even after he passed the point when diabetes research could no longer help him? That’s heart. Continuing to face every day with a smile even as diabetes robbed him of his legs, bit by bit? Diabetes may have shortened his career, it may have taken his legs, and it eventually took his life, but as long as he lived, Ron Santo never allowed diabetes to diminish his heart. His love for life. His love for people. His love for the Cubs.

    He gave of himself to help people who suffered like he did, whether they suffered from diabetes or just suffered from wanting the Cubs to win. But let’s not confuse those two struggles, okay?

    I say that because it happens way too often. People say it takes heart for a team to keep trying their best when facing the adversity of three-run deficit in the eighth. I enjoyed the Cubs’ comeback today as much as anyone, but the threat of losing an April game to the Dodgers isn’t adversity. It isn’t hardship. And the Cubs’ comeback didn’t exhibit heart of any great measure. Let’s do some comparisons, shall we?

     

    What would last year’s team have done? Let’s say for the sake of argument that last year’s team would have lost this game. But why? If they faced a three-run deficit, would the hitters have stopped trying to get hits? Would they have choked with runners on base? And is that because they would have given up or tried too hard or played too selfishly or uptight or would they have just gone through the motions . . . or complained about the other team scoring too much (oh, crap, that was yesterday’s team)?

    I don’t see it. Scoring runs while trailing in a game shows normal levels of heart shared by virtually all professional baseball teams. Every team that has ever mustered enough heart to come back from a deficit has also shown the lack of heart necessary to prevent the other team from building a lead in the first place if, in fact, it’s heart that determines (or even remotely affects) a player or team’s ability to outscore their opponents. Does it, though? Come on. You know the answer is no. Every team tries to win every game. Trying to win a game isn’t special.

    For frame of reference, let’s draw another comparison: what takes more heart, trying hard when your team is losing or resolving to keep playing the game of baseball while suffering from a life-threatening disease that prevents your body from regulating its blood sugar levels (with no assistance whatsoever from a medical professional)? Well, let’s see . . . one is something hundreds of baseball players do every day and one is something only Ron Santo did, something that maybe one hundredth of one percent of the population would dare to do if given the same opportunity.

    On a scale of 1 to Santo, I’d rank trying hard while losing as the definition of 1 on that scale. 

    Let’s rate something else on that scale, shall we? How about keeping a positive attitude even though your teammate is mean to you? Let’s compare that to being the most positive person anyone knows even though the God to whom you pray didn’t see fit to answer your prayers for a cure. Hmm . . . the latter is a 10, for sure. Does it seem silly to rank the former as high as a 2? Why yes, yes it does.

    So is there anything any baseball player not named Ron Santo can do to move up the heart scale? Sure. When Ryan Dempster continued to do his best to focus on his job and be a leader on his team while he and his wife Jenny also saw their daughter Riley through treatment for 22q deletion, a disorder that reduced her ability to feed and swallow normally, that demanded more than a 1 on the Santo scale. Playing baseball was probably the easiest thing Dempster had to do in 2009. But that doesn’t mean it didn’t take heart. Still, starting the Dempster Family Foundation to help other families facing the disorder was a much more important exhibition of heart. A minimum of 8, I reckon.

    Let’s take a strictly baseball-related example: David Eckstein. He’s the butt of a lot of jokes in the scrappy white guy genre, but Eckstein has heart. I’m sure that, based on his physical . . . um  . . . prowess, a lot of people told Eckstein any dreams he may have had of playing Major League Baseball were unrealistic. Does he try harder than Alberty Pujols? Probably in the same way Salieri tried harder than Mozart or Chris Farley tried harder than Patrick Swayze in that Chippendales sketch. I’ll give credit to anybody who pursues their dreams despite long odds against their fulfillment.

    But let’s be honest. To credit Eckstein’s MLB success to heart is to insult his actual baseball talent. Is it fair to say that Eckstein got major-league results out of AA talent? It’s a great tribute to his heart, but I don’t think that’s fair to him as a player. Eckstein impressed people with how hard he worked, the evidence of his heart exceeding the size of his body (as it were), because it looked like he was trying really hard. It looked like he had to try extra hard. But the reason that hard work paid off was because David Eckstein was actually pretty talented as a baseball player. I give him a 2 on the Santo scale. Maybe a 3 if he really did suck that bad.

    These are all my personal judgments on this scale based on what I’ve observed. Your ratings would probably differ somewhat. Maybe you give Starlin Castro a 6 for trying hard to learn English so he can conduct interviews without an interpreter. Maybe you give him a -3 because he still hasn’t learned to slide into bases properly. You might give Marlon Byrd or Reed Johnson an 8 for their obvious grittiness. You might give them both a 2 for writing Cubs blogs. I don’t know, I’m sure you have your reasons. But you do have reasons. There are things about every player’s personality, work ethic, heart, whatever that you feel warrant your admiration or dismay. But you can measure it.

    You probably won’t measure it with spreadsheets, but it registers in your emotions and affections. You might like guys who get their uniforms dirty or take extra infield or support worthy causes or give good interviews or hail from your home city, state, or country. Or maybe you just like players who have heart. 

    I hope you do. I do. But when you evaluate a player’s heart, I also hope that you do so from an honest perspective. The ability to come back from three runs down isn’t indicative of heart. The ability to come back from tragedy (see Joey Votto‘s struggle after his father’s death) or to fight through physical debilitation (Jim Abbott, anyone?) or to look death in the face and smile (I’d say Ron Santo, but you probably know someone personally who fits this description and who inspires you and who registers a 10 on the Santo scale of heart. I’ve known a few. My father-in-law was one. Here is another).

    Someone, I’m sure, will argue that you can’t really measure heart. But you can see it in action. And even if you’re not comfortable placing a number on it, the number 10 works just fine for me.

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    246 Responses to “Measuring Heart: A Scale of 1 to Santo”

    1. 1 AndCounting says:

      Holy crap this is long. (dying laughing)

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    2. 2 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]Holy crap this is long. (dying laughing)[/quote]
      It was a very good read. I guess you kind of proved the point that you can’t measure heart with a spreadsheet though (dying laughing)

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    3. 3 Berselius says:

      This is a great post, AC.

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    4. 4 Doogolas says:

      I can measure it with a spreadsheet. I just put the numbers in. :(

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    5. 5 AndCounting says:

      Thanks, guys. (dying laughing), Doogolas.

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    6. 6 Doogolas says:

      On an aside, I’m sure you’ll all be happy to know Justin Berg was called up. You know, instead of someone with actually talent like Maine or Carpenter.

      Yay. *sigh*

      Happy note: Vitters homered tonight.

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    7. 7 Rice Cube says:

      If the Brewers lose tonight against the Astros, the Cubs will once again be tied for second place in the division, one game behind CIN and STL. I guess the NL Central does suck.

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    8. 8 Aisle424 says:

      Me and my ilk don’t read any thing that doesn’t involve a spreadsheet.

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    9. 9 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]Me and my ilk don’t read any thing that doesn’t involve a spreadsheet.[/quote]It’s spelled E-L-K, moran.

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    10. 10 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]It’s spelled E-L-K, moran.[/quote]
      No dinner for me. Again. I’m hungry.

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    11. 11 AndCounting says:

      I can only imagine how famished your elk is.

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    12. 12 AndCounting says:

      Why am I talking like Groucho Marx?

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    13. 13 mb21 says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]Holy crap this is long. (dying laughing)[/quote]But worth every minute it took to read it. This is great stuff, AC.

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    14. 14 ednickow says:

      There’s a scene in the movie This Old Cub that shows what it means to have a 10 on the “scale of heart”.

      Ron wakes up, puts on his legs, covers them in plastic and goes into the shower. We don’t see what happens after the shower, but we know he has to reverse almost the entire process before getting dressed for the day.

      It’s exhausting to watch. And we just see it once. But it’s what Ron did every single day before going to wherever the Cubs were playing so that he could share whatever disjointed thoughts he had about that day’s game (and other assorted topics).

      And he always did it with a smile on his face and without a complaint. And with a big heart.

      Oh, and by the way, it’s going to take a while before I stop thinking about your friend Beth every time I do anything with my children – who aren’t even children any more. She certainly belongs at the top of the Santo scale.

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    15. 15 mb21 says:

      [quote name=Aisle424]Me and my ilk don’t read any thing that doesn’t involve a spreadsheet.[/quote]Or pictures. I like pictures. Pictures of spreadsheets.

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    16. 16 mb21 says:

      Honestly, if I take just this from what Ed said above, I get a 10 on the scale:

      Ron wakes up, puts on his legs

      Anyone that walks up, puts on his/her legs has heart.

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    17. 17 Rice Cube says:

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_04_23_chamlb_detmlb_1&mode=gameday

      Brewers almost TOOTBLANed into a triple play. Video is only in Gameday for now.

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    18. 18 mb21 says:

      And he always did it with a smile on his face and without a complaint. And with a big heart.

      the best people around always have this in common: they don’t complain no matter what happens to them. It’s admirable. So few people can do that. Definitely not me.

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    19. 19 Doogolas says:

      I feel stupid for asking, but what is TOOTBLAN?

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    20. 21 Mucker says:

      Chris Farley tried harder than Patrick Swayze in that Chippendales sketch

      (dying laughing)
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      One of the most classic tv moments ever.

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    21. 22 Doogolas says:

      Did you make that page on UD just so you could link it or was that already there? (dying laughing).

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    22. 23 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]Did you make that page on UD just so you could link it or was that already there? (dying laughing).[/quote]

      It was already there :-D

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    23. 24 Aisle424 says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]Did you make that page on UD just so you could link it or was that already there? (dying laughing).[/quote]
      Wrigleyville23 (WV23) invented the term. He had a blog that he no longer updates, but he comes around here sometimes.

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    24. 25 Doogolas says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]It was already there :-D [/quote]Madness.

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    25. 26 AndCounting says:

      Thanks, mb, and Ed. I think there are certain people who you have to find out through a third party that they’ve been through anything difficult. They genuinely smile through it. I really admire those people.

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    26. 27 Doogolas says:

      (dying laughing), I just noticed the happy Castro picture. You guys are using my idea. Hilarious.

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    27. 28 Doogolas says:

      Fuck. The fat ass tied it vs Houston. *sigh*

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    28. 29 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Muck Muckintuck](dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      One of the most classic tv moments ever.[/quote]That and “more cowbell” run neck-and-neck as my favorite SNL sketches of all time.

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    29. 30 Berselius says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]That and “more cowbell” run neck-and-neck as my favorite SNL sketches of all time.[/quote]
      Look fellas, I put my pants on one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make solid gold records.

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    30. 31 Berselius says:

      [quote name=ednickow]There’s a scene in the movie This Old Cub that shows what it means to have a 10 on the “scale of heart”.

      Ron wakes up, puts on his legs, covers them in plastic and goes into the shower. We don’t see what happens after the shower, but we know he has to reverse almost the entire process before getting dressed for the day.

      It’s exhausting to watch. And we just see it once. But it’s what Ron did every single day before going to wherever the Cubs were playing so that he could share whatever disjointed thoughts he had about that day’s game (and other assorted topics).

      And he always did it with a smile on his face and without a complaint. And with a big heart.

      Oh, and by the way, it’s going to take a while before I stop thinking about your friend Beth every time I do anything with my children – who aren’t even children any more. She certainly belongs at the top of the Santo scale.[/quote]
      I love This Old Cub. I usually watch it on opening day every year but it’s still too soon :(

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    31. 32 Rice Cube says:

      They finally posted the nearly triple TOOTBLAN…

      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14104059

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    32. 33 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Berselius]I love This Old Cub. I usually watch it on opening day every year but it’s still too soon :( [/quote]

      I still find myself saying that I’m tuning in to “Pat and Ron” on the radio…it’s going to be a while to get used to…

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    33. 34 Doogolas says:

      My friend pointed out after the game winner the other day by Reed, that he couldn’t wait to hear Ron freaking out on the radio.

      It was pretty sad for a couple minutes after that.

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    34. 35 Doogolas says:

      Fuck yeah! Quintero double. Houston up 2.

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    35. 36 Rice Cube says:

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    36. 37 Rice Cube says:

      Quintero just stole third when up two in extra innings. I hope that doesn’t break an unwritten rule.

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    37. 38 Doogolas says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Quintero just stole third when up two in extra innings. I hope that doesn’t break an unwritten rule.[/quote]Has to be a nonsave situation. Quit not knowing rules.

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    38. 39 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]Has to be a nonsave situation. Quit not knowing rules.[/quote]
      Is the pitcher allowed to double in a run with two outs? I hope that wasn’t an unwritten rule either.

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    39. 40 Doogolas says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Is the pitcher allowed to double in a run with two outs? I hope that wasn’t an unwritten rule either.[/quote]Yes. As long as his name begins with B. Or, if it has at least two vowels.

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    40. 41 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]Yes. As long as his name begins with B. Or, if it has at least two vowels.[/quote]It has to be a stand-up double, too. If a pitcher has to slide, it’s bad form.

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    41. 42 Rice Cube says:

      Cubs —> 2nd place

      (dying laughing)

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    42. 43 Doogolas says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]It has to be a stand-up double, too. If a pitcher has to slide, it’s bad form.[/quote]No, the pitcher HAS to slide. Otherwise he’s rubbing it in.

      Good lord am I the only one that reads the unwritten rules?

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    43. 44 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]No, the pitcher HAS to slide. Otherwise he’s rubbing it in.

      Good lord am I the only one that reads the unwritten rules?[/quote]
      Are they written in Braille?

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    44. 45 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Doogolas]No, the pitcher HAS to slide. Otherwise he’s rubbing it in.

      Good lord am I the only one that reads the unwritten rules?[/quote]If he slides it’s almost like stealing. If it’s standing up, it means he wasn’t really hustling (which you’re not allowed to do in that situation). You must be thinking of the unwritten rules for AL pitchers in interleague games (section 5, article 8ii).

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    45. 46 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Dice K has 8IP with 1 hit

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    46. 47 Doogolas says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]If he slides it’s almost like stealing. If it’s standing up, it means he wasn’t really hustling (which you’re not allowed to do in that situation). You must be thinking of the unwritten rules for AL pitchers in interleague games (section 5, article 8ii).[/quote]
      Ah, you’re right. Very good, that’s my bad. Easy mistake though.

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    47. 48 bubblesdachimp says:

      Quick story and then i am done. The soundtrack of my life is Ron and Pat. When people say i turn down the tv and turn up the radio that makes sense to me. My grandfather had seasons and gave Banks Williams Fergie and Ryno cars. Growing up i had amazing tickets. When Ron died i cried for about an hour. My brother who is a hug fan and I lost it in Vegas together. I miss Ron more than anything.. He made baseball entertaining alot of the time whne cubs baseball wasnt ntertaining.

      There are a ot of us that dont have family that have seen a world series… I would give anything so my grandfather could say he saw the cubs win it all..

      Sorry for being emotional. I just remember burying my grandfather in a cubs jersey :/

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    48. 49 Suburban kid says:

      Good article, AC.

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    49. 50 AndCounting says:

      Thanks,SK.
      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I miss Ron more than anything.[/quote]
      I know I’m not alone in relating to this and a lot of what you said, bubs. I don’t think there’s a simple explanation as to why any of us like the Cubs as much as we do, but Santo embodied it as well as anybody.

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    50. 51 fight2win says:

      Ron Santo made me want the Cubs to win it all, just for him. I know Ernie Banks is Mr. Cub, but Santo became Mr. Cub Fan.

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    51. 52 Rice Cube says:

      I know Soto hasn’t exactly been on fire, but keeping him in the #8 spot insults me.

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    52. 53 Suburban kid says:

      RF Fukudome,
      2B Barney,
      SS Castro,
      3B Ramirez,
      1B Pena,
      CF Byrd,
      LF Soriano,
      C Soto,
      P Zambrano

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    53. 54 Mish says:

      I really should get more credit. This thread exists not without my trolling (dying laughing)

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    54. 55 Berselius says:

      Dodgers today

      2B Miles
      3B Blake
      RF Ethier
      CF Kemp
      LF Sands
      1B Loney
      C Barajas
      SS Carroll
      P Kuroda

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    55. 56 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Mish]I really should get more credit. This thread exists not without my trolling (dying laughing)[/quote]You speak the truth, Mish.

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    56. 57 Steve Swisher says:

      Great read. Very well done.

      ummm… (dying laughing)?

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    57. 58 Suburban kid says:

      Soon, our questions will be answered.

      Al, question,

      Have you heard anything from Dempster about his struggles this year?

      by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 23, 2011 9:10 PM CDT reply actions

      Not personally, no.

      But let me see if I can find anything out.

      Check out Chicago sports coverage at SB Nation Chicago
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    58. 59 Mish says:

      Kosuke’s OBP is .126 points higher than his SLG.

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    59. 60 Rice Cube says:

      Alstradamus.

      Or perhaps…Alstradumbass.

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    60. 61 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mish]Kosuke’s OBP is .126 points higher than his SLG.[/quote]
      He’s a singles ninja.

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    61. 62 AndCounting says:

      [quote name=Mish]Kosuke’s OBP is .126 points higher than his SLG.[/quote]I couldn’t believe he’s hit nothing but singles when I looked it up (or that his OBP was at .500 as of Friday).

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    62. 63 bubblesdachimp says:

      Go Cubs! Big Z gonna kill it today

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    63. 64 Aisle424 says:

      But let me see if I can find anything out.

      I bet it is somehow a lazy Latino’s fault.

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    64. 65 bubblesdachimp says:

      For real though dempster has not been good

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    65. 66 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Seriously, fuck Mike Quade.

      This batting Soto 8th shit is mindless boobery.

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    66. 67 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      FWIW, on the Dempster issue, Quade said he’s having problems with his slider. I’m betting Harry can confirm this, given that I’m not sure Quade knows the difference between a White Castle cheeseburger and any one of Dempster’s pitches. (dying laughing)

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    67. 68 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Seriously, fuck Mike Quade.

      This batting Soto 8th shit is mindless boobery.[/quote]
      Right but outside of batting byrd eigth (not gonna happen) where is he supposed to hit

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    68. 69 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Right but outside of batting byrd eigth (not gonna happen) where is he supposed to hit[/quote]In that lineup, I’d hit Soto 5, Pena 6, Sori 7, Byrd 8

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    69. 70 bubblesdachimp says:

      I mean i would hit Soto third. But i dont get to make the lineup.

      BTW when does my man crush on Starlin Castro become gay? He is amazing at sports

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    70. 71 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]

      BTW when does my man crush on Starlin Castro become gay? [/quote]Did you think he looked hot in that pink hazing costume?

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    71. 72 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Apparently Whitenack was promoted to AA Tennessee

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    72. 73 bubblesdachimp says:

      ^ Interesting. Whitenack has been killing it. Might be a better starter than Russell right now.

      Also why is Samardzija trying his hardest for me to like him

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    73. 74 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Anyone is a better starter than Russell right now. [/quote]

      Ah.

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    74. 75 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Can someone explain to me why the Cubs still think starting James Russell is a viable option?

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    75. 76 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Can someone explain to me why the Cubs still think starting James Russell is a viable option?[/quote]
      Because their other options are Diamond and Biebens-Dirx, who have been hammered in AAA so far this year?

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    76. 77 Berselius says:

      Oh, and Ramon Fucking Ortiz (dying laughing)

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    77. 78 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Oh, and Ramon Fucking Ortiz (dying laughing)[/quote]
      That’s World Series champion Ramon Fucking Ortiz to you. Plebes.

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    78. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Because their other options are Diamond and Biebens-Dirx, who have been hammered in AAA so far this year?[/quote]How about the youngsters? McNutt, Carpenter? Is Jay Jackson still hurt?

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    79. 80 Suburban kid says:

      Jackson is scheduled to pitch Tuesday in Iowa, the same day Russell goes. But he’s not exactly stretched out.

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    80. 81 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]How about the youngsters? McNutt, Carpenter? Is Jay Jackson still hurt?[/quote]
      He’s back now and is actually slated to start on Tuesday. He probably can’t go very deep either, though I wouldn’t mind if the Cubs tried to do a two three-inning start type game with Russell and Jackson on Tuesday.

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    81. 82 Berselius says:

      Carpenter has been bullpened. McNutt’s coming back from that blister and probably can’t go deep either.

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    82. 83 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]He’s back now and is actually slated to start on Tuesday. He probably can’t go very deep either, though I wouldn’t mind if the Cubs tried to do a two three-inning start type game with Russell and Jackson on Tuesday.[/quote]Not a bad idea, seeing as Russell will be lucky to make 3 innings, anyway. (dying laughing)

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    83. 84 bubblesdachimp says:

      Carpenter went to bullp[en. Jay Jackson just got back to Iowa. If he is healthy i think he would be up soon. Then again Cashner and wells should be ready soon hopefully

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    84. 85 Rice Cube says:

      WTF Miles.

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    85. 86 Berselius says:

      (dying laughing), when you give up a leadoff triple to Aaron Miles you might as well forfeit

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    86. 87 Horny Goat says:

      this is heart…

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    87. 88 bubblesdachimp says:

      Aaron miles with a triple.. I would bet he had no triples when he played for us

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    88. 89 Suburban kid says:

      Settle down, Z.

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    89. 90 Berselius says:

      Who was it who stole the base that got Quade steamed the other day?

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    90. 91 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Aaron Miles. Surely you jest.

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    91. 92 Rice Cube says:

      BABIP hates Z today.

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    92. 93 Berselius says:

      Looks like something might be up with Z today. Does his delivery look off to anyone else?

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    93. 94 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Who was it who stole the base that got Quade steamed the other day?[/quote]www.whowasitthatstolethebasethatgotQuadesteamedtheotherday.com

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    94. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Looks like something might be up with Z today. Does his delivery look off to anyone else?[/quote]Like injury-wise, or he just doesn’t have the good stuff?

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    95. 96 Suburban kid says:

      He’s kind of short arming the ball

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    96. 97 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Like injury-wise, or he just doesn’t have the good stuff?[/quote]
      Both. It looked like he was shaking his arm weirdly earlier, but I guess the coaches didn’t see anything there.

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    97. 98 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Berselius]Both. It looked like he was shaking his arm weirdly earlier, but I guess the coaches didn’t see anything there.[/quote]Sounds like his cramping issue is flaring up.

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    98. 99 Aisle424 says:

      Zambrano on pace to give up 108 runs today.

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    99. 100 Berselius says:

      Jesus, Soriano’s arm disappeared too

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    100. 101 Rice Cube says:

      Sands left early. Should’ve been out.

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    101. 102 bubblesdachimp says:

      5 runs in the first. Great start

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    102. 103 Horny Goat says:

      if the “sure handed” Pena would’ve made the play on Ethier’s grounder, probably a DP and only run in the inning.

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    103. 104 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ug-leeee. Z is gonna get crucified by the (dying laughing)lipop Guild.

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    104. 105 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]5 runs in the first. Great start[/quote]Let’s See What Happens

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    105. 106 Rice Cube says:

      Kosuke SLG > BA now.

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    106. 107 bubblesdachimp says:

      James loney kinda sucks

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    107. 108 bubblesdachimp says:

      Whats the wind doing today? Is it nice there?

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    108. 109 Berselius says:

      (dying laughing), I guess these things can even out

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    109. 110 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The Cubs are so shitty, their shittiness infects their opponents. (dying laughing)

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    110. 111 bubblesdachimp says:

      The first slider Kuroda threw to Castro was a 92 nasty factor. Highest bubs has seen

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    111. 112 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      What’s the odds Pena gets an XBH?

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    112. 113 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]What’s the odds Pena gets an XBH?[/quote]
      Minus three.

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    113. 114 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ramirez just got Marmoled by Kuroda.

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    114. 115 Rice Cube says:

      He did, however, get a hit (dying laughing)

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    115. 116 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      There’s Pena’s hit for this week. (dying laughing)

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    116. 117 bubblesdachimp says:

      In Play (Runs) not used to seeing that with pena

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    117. 118 Berselius says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]Whats the wind doing today? Is it nice there?[/quote]
      It’s blowing in, Bubs.

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    118. 119 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]In Play (Runs) not used to seeing that with pena[/quote]
      Regression to the mean.

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    119. 120 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Good God, Marlon Byrd has no patience. (dying laughing)

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    120. 121 Rice Cube says:

      Ick…Soriano missed a meatball.

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    121. 122 bubblesdachimp says:

      Two big strikeouts there

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    122. 123 bubblesdachimp says:

      I know you stat fags say strikeouts arent a big deal. But theya re a big deal arent they?

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    123. 124 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I know you stat fags say strikeouts arent a big deal. But theya re a big deal arent they?[/quote]
      Byrd’s strikeout was better than a GIDP. Soriano’s strikeout was definitely not good though.

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    124. 125 Rice Cube says:

      Darwin Barney just lost dessert.

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    125. 126 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Darwin Barney just lost dessert.[/quote]
      Z stole Barney’s dessert.

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    126. 127 bubblesdachimp says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Byrd’s strikeout was better than a GIDP. Soriano’s strikeout was definitely not good though.[/quote]
      Right its also better than a triple play. But if a strikeoput is the besty result for a pitcher why is it not similarly the worst result (non multiple out department)

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    127. 128 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Z missed a fat one.

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    128. 129 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      5 K already for Kuroda.

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    129. 130 Rice Cube says:

      Lazy Latin covering first.

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    130. 131 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      44 pitches already for Z. No bueno.

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    131. 132 Rice Cube says:

      There’s a strikeout.

      The long first inning didn’t help him much in the pitch count department.

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    132. 133 Rice Cube says:

      More bad luck for Z. Bat was annihilated.

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    133. 134 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ugh. I don’t think Z is going to make it far in this game. Dodgers have his number.

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    134. 135 Lukas says:

      Damn how unlucky can Z get. It feels like this happens to him more than most.

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    135. 136 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      James Shields threw his second complete game in a row

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    136. 137 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]James Shields threw his second complete game in a row[/quote]Will Carroll is busying calculating the astronomical PAP numbers as we speak. (dying laughing)

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    137. 138 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Marlon Byrd approves of Barney’s approach in that AB.

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    138. 139 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      4 pitches, two outs…let’s see what happens

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    139. 140 Rice Cube says:

      Woohoo.

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    140. 141 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Man, that makes Castro and Barney’s AB’s look really bad.

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    141. 142 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I’m getting on the Pena is done bandwagon

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    142. 143 cdw says:

      Spreadsheets are used to measure heart. Prove me wrong.

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    143. 144 Rice Cube says:

      Pena is broken.

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    144. 145 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Milton Bradley had a .627 OPS through his first month as a Cubs, and was getting routinely booed and shredded in the papers.

      Carlos Pena has a .514 OPS thus far.

      But yeah, there was no agenda on the part of the beat reporters.

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    145. 146 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      wow, the white sox are broken too. haven’t scored in 20 innings, lost 9 in a row. I bet we see some Cub offensive stretches like that this year

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    146. 147 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      BTW, 7 K through 3 IP for Kuroda.

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    147. 148 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Z is getting whacked around badly today.

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    148. 149 Perkins says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]wow, the white sox are broken too. haven’t scored in 20 innings, lost 9 in a row. I bet we see some Cub offensive stretches like that this year[/quote]
      Like the 2005 team, with extended winning and losing streaks? That would be pretty entertaining.

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    149. 150 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      That was Cubs-esque execution from Kuroda. (dying laughing)

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    150. 151 Rice Cube says:

      Aaron Miles is on steroids.

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    151. 152 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      when you can’t get aaron fucking miles out, you know it’s a bad day. that’s more his than miles had in a whole season for the cubs

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    152. 153 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I’m not sure why, but I really loathe Casey Blake.

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    153. 154 Rice Cube says:

      Woohoo! Double play.

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    154. 155 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I’m not sure why, but I really loathe Casey Blake.[/quote]The Grizzly Adams beard?

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    155. 156 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The way Z has battled is impressive, but he’s been pretty bad today.

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    156. 157 Suburban kid says:

      At least we know they’ll win tomorrow.

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    157. 158 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]At least we know they’ll win tomorrow.[/quote]Let’s See What Happens.

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    158. 159 Suburban kid says:

      (dying laughing) @ cdw’s proving of wrongness.

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    159. 160 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Marlon Byrd has less patience than a 16 year old on prom night.

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    160. 161 Suburban kid says:

      Len sounds a little resigned, a bit despondent.

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    161. 162 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]Len sounds a little resigned, a bit despondent.[/quote]We should have Kent Mercker make a call to the press box.

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    162. 163 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]We should have Kent Mercker make a call to the press box.[/quote]He’s not telling it like it is, yet, ala Chip and Stoney, rather the sadness in his voice when calling routine Cub out after routine Cub out seems infused with a sense that this is his fate for the next 150 days.

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    163. 164 Rice Cube says:

      Z might be able to go 6 if he can get through this inning quickly. Matt Kemp might have something to say about that though.

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    164. 165 Rice Cube says:

      85 pitches. Q probably makes him go 7 full :-P

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    165. 166 Rice Cube says:

      Reed in for Z? Interesting.

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    166. 167 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Reed in for Z? Interesting.[/quote]I bet he stays in the game for Soriano.

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    167. 168 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Reed in for Z? Game now less interesting.[/quote].

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    168. 169 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]I bet he stays in the game for Soriano.[/quote]
      Amusing, but wrong.

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    169. 170 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      At least Quade is smart enough to bring in garbage pitchers to pitch in garbage time. (dying laughing)

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    170. 171 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]Amusing, but wrong.[/quote]Correct.

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    171. 172 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I hope Starlin wasn’t hungry.

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    172. 173 Rice Cube says:

      Nice of Grabow to not suck as much as I thought he would.

      Starlin Castro doesn’t have infinite range.

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    173. 174 Suburban kid says:

      Aaron Miles with the big fuck you to Cubs fans.

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    174. 175 Suburban kid says:

      Why am I even watching a game on an even numbered day on the calendar? See you tomorrow for some good times.

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    175. 176 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]Why am I even watching a game on an even numbered day on the calendar? See you tomorrow for some good times.[/quote]SK ——–> No dinner.

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    176. 177 Rice Cube says:

      TOOTBLAN

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    177. 178 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Good Lord, is that three games in a row a Cub has been thrown out trying to do that same stupid shit?

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    178. 179 Rice Cube says:

      For your facepalm collection.

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    179. 180 Rice Cube says:

      Soto almost hit another hard out.

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    180. 181 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      About time Soto got a hold of a pitch and it didn’t end up as a loud out.

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    181. 182 Rice Cube says:

      Fucking Tyler Colvin.

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    182. 183 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Colvin showcasing his extraordinary patience.

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    183. 184 Suburban kid says:

      Darwin Barney, RBI Man.

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    184. 185 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]Darwin Barney, RBI Man.[/quote]Brenly is tumescent.

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    185. 186 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Castro has not been very patient today.

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    186. 187 Rice Cube says:

      Soriano can play defense?

      /Cub fan’d

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    187. 188 fight2win says:

      Carlos Pena is awesome.

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    188. 189 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Carlos Pena ——–> D-O-N-E

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    189. 190 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=fight2win]Carlos Pena is awesome.[/quote](dying laughing) He will have a nearly sub-.500 OPS after today and has somehow escaped the poison pen treatment.

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    190. 191 Rice Cube says:

      Soto is very patient.

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    191. 192 Suburban kid says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder](dying laughing) He will have a nearly sub-.500 OPS after today and has somehow escaped the poison pen treatment.[/quote]Pena’s one of the good guys, MO.

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    192. 193 Suburban kid says:

      Broxton is like a barrel resting on two tree trunks.

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    193. 194 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]Pena’s one of the good guys, MO.[/quote]Yeah. It really belies all of Sullivan’s denials that he had an agenda in his writing about Bradley, though. Seems to have been entirely motivated by a problem with MB’s personality. On the field, Pena’s been much worse in his first month.

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    194. 195 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Suburban Kid]Broxton is like a barrel resting on two tree trunks.[/quote]Pitchers don’t do PEDs. It’s only these beefed up hitters.

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    195. 196 Suburban kid says:

      Arnold Schwarzenegger was upset that his wife never got him any Easter candy. She said “I thought you didn’t like Easter anymore!”
      Arnie replied, “I still love Easter Baby!!”

      .

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    196. 197 Suburban kid says:

      An MIT linguistics professor was lecturing his class the other day. “In English,” he said, “a double negative forms a positive. However, in some languages, such as Russian, a double negative remains a negative. But there isn’t a single language, not one, in which a double positive can express a negative.”

      A voice from the back of the room piped up, “Yeah, right.”

      .

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    197. 198 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      SK, that last one is true, only it happened at a philosophy of language conference. J.L. Ritchie gave a paper and the denouement was that while almost every language has a double negative that implies a positive, no language has a double positive that implies a negative. Sidney Morgenbesser was commenting on the paper and immediately piped up “Yeah, yeah.”

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    198. 199 mb21 says:

      So, Zambrano sucked, the defense sucked and the offense couldn’t score any runs. Did I miss anything else?

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    199. 200 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]So, Zambrano sucked, the defense sucked and the offense couldn’t score any runs. Did I miss anything else?[/quote]Quade batted Soto 8th again.

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    200. 201 mb21 says:

      As silly as that is, it doesn’t bother me. As long as Quade doesn’t bat the pitcher leadoff (or anywhere in the top 7 spots), I’m not going to complain about the lineup. I wouldn’t do it of course, but Pena’s inability to hit, Soriano’s desire to make Koyie Hill look like an on-base machine, and Marlon Byrd and Colvin sucking bother me a lot more.

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    201. 202 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]As silly as that is, it doesn’t bother me. As long as Quade doesn’t bat the pitcher leadoff (or anywhere in the top 7 spots), I’m not going to complain about the lineup. I wouldn’t do it of course, but Pena’s inability to hit, Soriano’s desire to make Koyie Hill look like an on-base machine, and Marlon Byrd and Colvin sucking bother me a lot more.[/quote]Indeed. I hadn’t looked until today, but Pena’s been a lot worse in his first month than Bradley was. And that’s saying something.

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    202. 203 mb21 says:

      Pena has been really bad and there’s really no sign of him getting better. When I looked a couple days ago his BABIP was actually higher than his career average. It’s early yet, but I’m starting to think the likelihood of last season being closer to his true talent level is higher than we thought.

      Soriano’s OBP is going to be about .250 before long. He has 21 strikeouts and 2 unintentional walks. That’s pathetic. compared to Colvin, he has no patience whatsoever. Colvin’s been pretty bad too.

      When Castro comes back to earth and Ramirez regresses a bit as well, this is a terrible offense.

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    203. 205 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Muck Muckintuck]Mike Stanton is strong:

      http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14129265&query=%26game_pk%3D287214[/quote]

      Wow, he actually hit it in the general direction of a pocket of fans! (dying laughing)

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    204. 206 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Has Yadier Molina always had those really trashy tribal tatoos on both sides of his neck?

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    205. 207 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Larussa wears his sunglasses at night, so he can, so he can

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    206. 208 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]Pena has been really bad and there’s really no sign of him getting better. When I looked a couple days ago his BABIP was actually higher than his career average. It’s early yet, but I’m starting to think the likelihood of last season being closer to his true talent level is higher than we thought.

      Soriano’s OBP is going to be about .250 before long. He has 21 strikeouts and 2 unintentional walks. That’s pathetic. compared to Colvin, he has no patience whatsoever. Colvin’s been pretty bad too.

      When Castro comes back to earth and Ramirez regresses a bit as well, this is a terrible offense.[/quote]The utter lack of patience seems to be a lineup-wide problem, with perhaps the exceptions of Ramirez and Soto. Otherwise, this is a hacktastic bunch.

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    207. 209 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Recalcitrant Blogger Nate]Has Yadier Molina always had those really trashy tribal tatoos on both sides of his neck?[/quote]www.hasyadiermolinaalwayshadthosereallytrashylookingtribaltatoosonbothsidesofhisneck.com

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    208. 210 cdw says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]www.hasyadiermolinaalwayshadthosereallytrashylookingtribaltatoosonbothsidesofhisneck.com[/quote]
      That link is broken.

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    209. 211 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=cdw]That link is broken.[/quote]Correct.

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    210. 212 mb21 says:

      [quote name=cdw]That link is broken.[/quote]You probably just have to clear your cache, restart your computer and then try it again.

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    211. 213 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=mb21]You probably just have to clear your cache, restart your computer and then try it again.[/quote]Don’t tell him what to do.

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    212. 214 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      8 K, 0 BB for the Cubs today.

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    213. 215 cdw says:

      Weird, the link still wasn’t working so I went to,
      http://www.clearyourcacherestartyourcomputertrysafarifirefoxandie.com

      It still didn’t work and I was redirected to,
      http://www.youaretoostupidtounderstandameme.com

      I’m still confused but at least I know a website that tells me if the Cubs are playing today,

      http://www.fratastic.com/bestroofietargetsinchitown/isthereacubsgametoday.html

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    214. 216 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=cdw]Weird, the link still wasn’t working so I went to,
      http://www.clearyourcacherestartyourcomputertrysafarifirefoxandie.com

      It still didn’t work and I was redirected to,
      http://www.youaretoostupidtounderstandameme.com

      I’m still confused but at least I know a website that tells me if the Cubs are playing today,

      http://www.fratastic.com/bestroofietargetsinchitown/isthereacubsgametoday.html[/quote]This should have been a FanPost.

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    215. 217 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]8 K, 0 BB for the Cubs today.[/quote]
      I’m pretty sure Soto walked.

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    216. 218 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I’m pretty sure Soto walked.[/quote]Correct. 8 K, 1 BB.

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    217. 219 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Correct. 8 K, 1 BB.[/quote]
      But not until the bottom of the ninth, so your sentiment was also technically correct. Which I believe is the best kind of correct.

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    218. 220 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      “There are so many things that go into that,” Q said. “I play close attention to numbers. Within the numbers goes sample size. If somebody’s 4-for-14 off somebody, maybe they’re 4-for-their-last-5; they were 0-for-9. There are so many things that go into that. There’s a little bit of feel. And then you wonder about a situation where a guy’s been having a good day, been playing well. Is that something that overrides the fact that you’ve got a who’s been sitting there doing nothing for eight innings coming off the bench hitting for him as opposed to a guy who’s been actively involved? At some point, you just say, ‘You know what? You’re either going to make the move or you’re not.’ The book matters to me, but it ain’t the Bible _ on Easter.”

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    219. 221 Rice Cube says:

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    220. 222 Rice Cube says:

      I don’t think Quade is using the right book, MO.

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    221. 223 bubblesdachimp says:

      I want grimmace or pujols

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    222. 224 bubblesdachimp says:

      I want grimmace or pujols

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    223. 225 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I don’t think Quade is using the right book, MO.[/quote]Yeah, to put it mildly.

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    224. 226 Berselius says:

      [quote name=Rice Cube]I don’t think Quade is using the right book, MO.[/quote]

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    225. 227 Rice Cube says:

      Here ya go Bubbles…

      I think Pujols tweaked a quad or hammy. Limping a bit.

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    226. 228 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=bubblesdachimp]I want grimmace or pujols[/quote]Unfortunately, Todd Ricketts has been placed in charge of taking suggestions

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    227. 229 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=Berselius][/quote]
      Irony…

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    228. 230 Rice Cube says:

      Game 7 anyone?

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    229. 231 Aisle424 says:

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    230. 232 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      “Normally when you get on a roll and start playing well consistently, it has a lot to do with your starting pitching,” manager Mike Quade said. “Once we get that straightened out, I feel pretty good about this thing. We’re just very inconsistent in that area right now. Whoever said that pitching was 90 percent of the game knew what he was talking about.”

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    231. 233 melissa says:

      Scapegoat pitchers…Let’s see what happens

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    232. 234 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      [quote name=melissa]Scapegoat pitchers…Let’s see what happens[/quote]The guy just can’t stop talking. And the more he talks, the more stupid things he says.

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    233. 235 Mish says:

      Qudae needs to stfu.

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    234. 236 Mish says:

      Also, very little respect for people who think pitching is 90% of baseball.

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    235. 237 Suburban kid says:

      By Bruce Miles The Cubs’ Texas-two-step of mediocrity tour lurched one stride back on Easter with a 7-3 loss to the Dodgers at Wrigley Field. …

      Nice snark.

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    236. 238 Suburban kid says:

      “I don’t have a regular look at lineups around the league to know if it’s something that can or can’t be expected,” Quade said of set lineups. “I just know that with my situation here … doing the things we’re doing, mixing and matching, that it’s just not something I see happening right now.

      “Now, there are some guys who are forcing some issue here, for sure, and good for them. But league-wise or with other clubs, I’m not sure. I just know that with our situation here, it’s going to be an evolving thing.”

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    237. 239 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    238. 240 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      I wonder if he’s even already volunteered.

      You know, John Smoltz had similar injury troubles to Wood, became a reliever for a while, then went back to starting.

      Why couldn’t Wood do this?

      by Al Yellon on Apr 24, 2011 6:42 PM CDT upreply

      .

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    239. 241 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

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    240. 242 AndCounting says:

      You know, Wile E. Coyote had similar injury troubles to Wood, waddled off the screen looking like a pancake, then returned to chasing Road Runner.

      Why couldn’t Wood do this?

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    241. 243 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]You know, Wile E. Coyote had similar injury troubles to Wood, waddled off the screen looking like a pancake, then returned to chasing Road Runner.

      Why couldn’t Wood do this?[/quote]
      You know, Marshall Applewhite had similar social troubles to Alvin, delusional idiot with many idiot followers, then held a mass suicide.

      Why couldn’t Alvin do this?

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    242. 244 AndCounting says:

      You know, Romania had a similar personality cult to BCB, rose up against their leader who liked to give himself fake fancy titles, then executed him by a firing squad of hundreds of eager participants.

      Why couldn’t BCB do this?

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    243. 245 Rice Cube says:

      [quote name=AndCounting]You know, Romania had a similar personality cult to BCB, rose up against their leader who liked to give himself fake fancy titles, then executed him by a firing squad of hundreds of eager participants.

      Why couldn’t BCB do this?[/quote]
      I can’t argue with you today.

      Nice snarky meme.

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