The Cubs have fired Mike Quade. Theo Epstein broke the news to Quade in person. Given the length of time the new leadership spent meeting with Quade, I think it’s a sign that the front office seriously considered the possibility of keeping him on (or at least didn’t enter the situation with their minds made up) and/or that Quade was pretty cooperative in informing the new regime about his read on the team. Whatever was said, the way this has transpired reflects positively on everyone involved. I’m halfway between good luck and good riddance on his departure.
Along with that news come reports of the first casualty in the managerial search. Ryne Sandberg can already scratch his name off the list of candidates. In another class move, Epstein reached out through Phillies personnel to inform Ryno of this news and to ask that he personally do the name-scratching-off of the officially official list.
It’s a new day, Cubs fans. Well, technically the day’s more than half over, but figuratively speaking, it’s a new day in Cubdom.
I can practically feel Ricketts’s pasty fingers tickling my spine!
[quote name=mb21]I wonder if the O’s would hire me to be their GM.[/quote]As their current pitching coach, I’ll put in a good word for you.
I also briefly played third base for the O’s in 2003. Talk about an odd career path…
I really think the biggest opportunity for arbitrage in baseball is an in-game strategist on the bench. Would love it if theo and co made the incoming manager conditionally accept a devoted coach to this end.
[quote name=ACT]I also briefly played third base for the O’s in 2003. Talk about an odd career path…[/quote]You’re Tony Batista? Can I have your autograph?
I don’t mind that Ryno isn’t manager, but it sucks that it appears that he is getting the shaft. I would had at least given him an interview, right? Is Ryno refusing to be a bench/3rd base/batting/etc. coach and just expects to become a manager?
[quote name=WaLi]I don’t mind that Ryno isn’t manager, but it sucks that it appears that he is getting the shaft. I would had at least given him an interview, right? Is Ryno refusing to be a bench/3rd base/batting/etc. coach and just expects to become a manager?[/quote]I guess I’m fine with it for the same reason I’m find with Quade getting the pink slip. I want the Superfriends to choose a guy they think will be in line with their vision. It’s not about throwing the fans a bone at this point. They have to build, I think. They have to kind of ignore the fans and media for the next couple of years, then let the results speak for themselves. IMO.
[quote name=WaLi]I don’t mind that Ryno isn’t manager, but it sucks that it appears that he is getting the shaft. I would had at least given him an interview, right? Is Ryno refusing to be a bench/3rd base/batting/etc. coach and just expects to become a manager?[/quote]I’m glad they made it clear immediately upon announcing the firing and with an overtly expressed reason: we want someone with major-league coaching/managing experience. If you aren’t considering someone for the job, it’s patronizing to run them through the hiring process. I think they went about it as best as they could.
[quote name=josh]I guess I’m fine with it for the same reason I’m find with Quade getting the pink slip. I want the Superfriends to choose a guy they think will be in line with their vision. It’s not about throwing the fans a bone at this point. They have to build, I think. They have to kind of ignore the fans and media for the next couple of years, then let the results speak for themselves. IMO.[/quote]Which I agree with, but it appears they aren’t even giving him a chance, not that he necessarily deserves it, but it would be nice. Mayb e he is what they are looking for? They don’t know if they don’t interview him. He has a record of winning in MiLB right?
I guess I just don’t want to see Sandberg as a fucking Cardinal (dying laughing)
[quote name=AndCounting]I’m glad they made it clear immediately upon announcing the firing and with an overtly expressed reason: we want someone with major-league coaching/managing experience. If you aren’t considering someone for the job, it’s patronizing to run them through the hiring process. I think they went about it as best as they could.[/quote]I guess. I like being interviewed so I know where to grow. Granted if a job says “Needs 7-10 years experience” and I have 4, I won’t apply. But if it says “Needs 5 years” and I have 4, I will. Maybe I’ll wow them, who knows. That’s kind of where Ryno is.
He has those 4 years, but they are looking for that 5th. But if he has more experiences in those 4 years than someone with 5+, then who is to say he wouldn’t be better?
Now I’m just rambling, sorry.
[quote name=GW]I really think the biggest opportunity for arbitrage in baseball is an in-game strategist on the bench. Would love it if theo and co made the incoming manager conditionally accept a devoted coach to this end.[/quote]I like that idea.
That’s your opinion.
If Sveum gets hired, can we add this pic to the Superfriends collage?
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]If Sveum gets hired, can we add this pic to the Superfriends collage?
[/quote]I figured I’d add the new manager in the place of Pete Ricketts since he basically has nothing to do with the Cubs other than being related to the others. I never hear a word about anything he does with the team in any capacity besides showing up to the Convention with his siblings.
Just read on MLBTR that the Superfriends “expect Marmol to close next year.”
[quote name=Aisle424]I never hear a word about anything he does with the team in any capacity besides showing up to the Convention with his siblings.[/quote]
covert agent. what do you think happened to larussa’s face?
[quote name=Aisle424]I’ll pitch for the Cubs before Buerhle does.[/quote]
Looks like Aisley is already at Wrigley Field for his try-out.
Look at all the people who showed up to watch him try out.
[quote name=Aisle424]I figured I’d add the new manager in the place of Pete Ricketts since he basically has nothing to do with the Cubs other than being related to the others. I never hear a word about anything he does with the team in any capacity besides showing up to the Convention with his siblings.[/quote]It’s spooky how much Pete looks like a hairless Tom.
[quote name=Aisle424]I never hear a word about anything he does with the team in any capacity besides showing up to the Convention with his siblings.[/quote]
From Wikipedia:
“John Peter ‘Pete’ Ricketts is the former Chief Operating Officer of Ameritrade. He was the Republican nominee for the 2006 U.S. Senate race in Nebraska…Ricketts received some high-profile campaign assistance, most notably from President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney personally…Ricketts was running on a conservative platform, emphasizing fiscal responsibility, immigration reform, and agriculture, as well as championing a socially conservative platform opposing gay marriage and abortion. In all, he contributed $11,302,078 million of his own money to his campaign…Ricketts was soundly defeated in the November election, taking only 36 percent of the vote, the worst showing for a Republican Senate candidate in Nebraska in 26 years.”
(dying laughing)
I just saw this on MLBTR
The Cubs don’t have to pay Aramis Ramirez’s $2MM buyout, since he declined his side of his contract option for 2012, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat.
Why would he decline if we already declined. Did he cost himself an easy 2 mil?
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]From Wikipedia:
“John Peter ‘Pete’ Ricketts is the former Chief Operating Officer of Ameritrade. He was the Republican nominee for the 2006 U.S. Senate race in Nebraska…Ricketts received some high-profile campaign assistance, most notably from President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney personally…Ricketts was running on a conservative platform, emphasizing fiscal responsibility, immigration reform, and agriculture, as well as championing a socially conservative platform opposing gay marriage and abortion. In all, he contributed $11,302,078 million of his own money to his campaign…Ricketts was soundly defeated in the November election, taking only 36 percent of the vote, the worst showing for a Republican Senate candidate in Nebraska in 26 years.”[/quote]Having lived in Nebraska for 4 years, I actually find this surprising.
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I just saw this on MLBTR
The Cubs don’t have to pay Aramis Ramirez’s $2MM buyout, since he declined his side of his contract option for 2012, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat.[/quote]Also, Jim Hendry was fired as GM.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]It’s spooky how much Pete looks like a hairless Tom.[/quote]Yeah, and if I hadn’t seen them together personally, I’d assume that Laura was just Todd in drag.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]Looks like Aisley is already at Wrigley Field for his try-out.
[/quote]
I really had my good stuff today. I really left it all on the field. the gun had me at 74, so I don’t think it was a big deal one of my pitches went in the dugout. My change-up made it to the plate almost every time and I showed off a knuckleball that only spun 3 or 4 times before bouncing in the batters box. I’m expecting a three-year deal, but I’d probably give a hometown discount if they wanted to lock me up for longer.
[quote name=Aisle424]I really had my good stuff today. I really left it all on the field. the gun had me at 74, so I don’t think it was a big deal one of my pitches went in the dugout. My change-up made it to the plate almost every time and I showed off a knuckleball that only spun 3 or 4 times before bouncing in the batters box. I’m expecting a three-year deal, but I’d probably give a hometown discount if they wanted to lock me up for longer.[/quote]
So, 3-year, 400 bison dog deal with an option for another year at 100 bison dogs?
Aisley, did you ask Al?
Cubs news —-> suddenly back to scarce
[quote name=fang2415]Cubs news —-> suddenly back to scarce[/quote]
GM’s keep bankers hours. Or maybe it’s just the reporters.
So… surely at some point we’re going to hear a little about why they passed on Sandberg, huh? Even if the LoJ doesn’t leak it, I’m guessing Ryno’ll probably say something at some point?
In the meantime… Why’d they pass on Ryno? Is anybody else sort of unconvinced by this “Major League coaching experience”? Sounds to me like they threw that in to DQ Sandberg. Why would MLB coaching experience matter, except to command the respect of the players (which Ryno would get anyway)?
For those of you who have irresponsible students that you want to flog.
[quote name=fang2415]So… surely at some point we’re going to hear a little about why they passed on Sandberg, huh? Even if the LoJ doesn’t leak it, I’m guessing Ryno’ll probably say something at some point?
In the meantime… Why’d they pass on Ryno? Is anybody else sort of unconvinced by this “Major League coaching experience”? Sounds to me like they threw that in to DQ Sandberg. Why would MLB coaching experience matter, except to command the respect of the players (which Ryno would get anyway)?[/quote]Maybe it was a philosophical thing. They could have looked at what Ryno did as a minor league manager both with the Cubs and the IronPigs and tried to figure out his thinking, then decided he wasn’t thinking the way they wanted him to think.
Just throwing it out there. I honestly don’t know.
[quote name=fang2415]So… surely at some point we’re going to hear a little about why they passed on Sandberg, huh? Even if the LoJ doesn’t leak it, I’m guessing Ryno’ll probably say something at some point?
In the meantime… Why’d they pass on Ryno? Is anybody else sort of unconvinced by this “Major League coaching experience”? Sounds to me like they threw that in to DQ Sandberg. Why would MLB coaching experience matter, except to command the respect of the players (which Ryno would get anyway)?[/quote]I just think either they already have someone in mind (Sveum, maybe) or they don’t think Sandburg lines up with their plans to run a more analytical organization. Maybe they met with him already and didn’t leak it, or maybe they talked with people in the org (Quade?) and found out Ryno “hates all them numbers bullshit” or something. I’m leaning toward them already having a short list of guys they know will work with their vision already.
The Cubs don’t have to pay Aramis Ramirez’s $2MM buyout, since he declined his side of his contract option for 2012, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat.
Why would he decline if we already declined. Did he cost himself an easy 2 mil?[/quote]The Cubs didn’t decline.
This fits the Superfriends meme. I lul’d.
[quote name=fang2415]So… surely at some point we’re going to hear a little about why they passed on Sandberg, huh? Even if the LoJ doesn’t leak it, I’m guessing Ryno’ll probably say something at some point?[/quote]Ryno said they called him to say he wasn’t on their short list: http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7182270/chicago-cubs-release-manager-mike-quade
Candidates:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7061/cubs-managerial-candidates
Bring back Pena as the player-manager.
[quote name=ACT]Bring back Pena as the player-manager.[/quote]Yeah, those former Rays know about numbers and shit.
Hey.
Go Cubs.
/Drop mic. Walks away.
[quote name=Aisle424]I really had my good stuff today. I really left it all on the field. the gun had me at 74, so I don’t think it was a big deal one of my pitches went in the dugout. My change-up made it to the plate almost every time and I showed off a knuckleball that only spun 3 or 4 times before bouncing in the batters box. I’m expecting a three-year deal, but I’d probably give a hometown discount if they wanted to lock me up for longer.[/quote]But what did Theo think of the stache?
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]But what did Theo think of the stache?[/quote]Brenly asked him to shave because the mustache looked too
latinethniclazy.[quote name=josh]I just think either they already have someone in mind (Sveum, maybe) or they don’t think Sandburg lines up with their plans to run a more analytical organization. Maybe they met with him already and didn’t leak it, or maybe they talked with people in the org (Quade?) and found out Ryno “hates all them numbers bullshit” or something. I’m leaning toward them already having a short list of guys they know will work with their vision already.[/quote]My guess is the numbers-hating thing, actually. If they have a shortlist, there’d have to be some reason why he didn’t get on it. I doubt he’d be nixed because of leadership, players not respecting him, integrity, willingness to prepare, or communication ability. But that “open mind” thing basically means “willing to learn crazy new numbers stuff” and could be a real sticking point.
They don’t want to out-and-out say “Ryno is a crazy old coot that won’t get with the New Cubs Way”, but since he’s the only non-MLB-coach they’d consider, they just eliminate him by saying they want MLB coaching experience.
Backlash against Theo already beginning. Funny how some fans think they’re in a better position than the Cubs’ FO to determine whether Ryne is a good managerial candidate.
[quote name=fang2415]My guess is the numbers-hating thing, actually. If they have a shortlist, there’d have to be some reason why he didn’t get on it. I doubt he’d be nixed because of leadership, players not respecting him, integrity, willingness to prepare, or communication ability. But that “open mind” thing basically means “willing to learn crazy new numbers stuff” and could be a real sticking point.
They don’t want to out-and-out say “Ryno is a crazy old coot that won’t get with the New Cubs Way”, but since he’s the only non-MLB-coach they’d consider, they just eliminate him by saying they want MLB coaching experience.[/quote]It could also be a signal that they plan to try and rebuild while contending by signing some FA. If you’re gonna tear it down, maybe a guy like Sandberg is what you want. But his holier-than-thou act probably wouldn’t play too well with well-paid star FAs.
Sandberg ——> pro-Theo
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111102/sports/711029712/
““When I left the Cubs last year, their first offer was to walk around spring training and hit fungos and sign autographs. That’s when I started thinking seriously about looking elsewhere.”
(dying laughing)
[quote name=ACT]Backlash against Theo already beginning. Funny how some fans think they’re in a better position than the Cubs’ FO to determine whether Ryne is a good managerial candidate.[/quote]Fucking Cubs fans. They never fail to impress me with their crippling stupidity.
[quote name=WenningtonsGorillaCock]Sandberg ——> pro-whomever’s ass must be kissed to get him a MLB job
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111102/sports/711029712//quotefify
[quote name=bubblesdachimp]I just saw this on MLBTR
The Cubs don’t have to pay Aramis Ramirez’s $2MM buyout, since he declined his side of his contract option for 2012, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat.
Why would he decline if we already declined. Did he cost himself an easy 2 mil?[/quote]He hadn’t officially declined yet. No, he didn’t cost himself an easy $2 million.
[quote name=Aisle424]I really had my good stuff today. I really left it all on the field. the gun had me at 74, so I don’t think it was a big deal one of my pitches went in the dugout. My change-up made it to the plate almost every time and I showed off a knuckleball that only spun 3 or 4 times before bouncing in the batters box. I’m expecting a three-year deal, but I’d probably give a hometown discount if they wanted to lock me up for longer.[/quote]All you can do is go out and do your best. Now it’s on the Cubs to see just how talented you are and give you the contract you deserve.
[quote name=mb21]He hadn’t officially declined yet. No, he didn’t cost himself an easy $2 million.[/quote]Also, the Cubs didn’t decline. They picked up their half, and Ramirez declined.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Also, the Cubs didn’t decline. They picked up their half, and Ramirez declined.[/quote]False. Nobody understands Ramirez’s contract.
[quote name=fang2415]My guess is the numbers-hating thing, actually. If they have a shortlist, there’d have to be some reason why he didn’t get on it. I doubt he’d be nixed because of leadership, players not respecting him, integrity, willingness to prepare, or communication ability. But that “open mind” thing basically means “willing to learn crazy new numbers stuff” and could be a real sticking point.
They don’t want to out-and-out say “Ryno is a crazy old coot that won’t get with the New Cubs Way”, but since he’s the only non-MLB-coach they’d consider, they just eliminate him by saying they want MLB coaching experience.[/quote]I think Sanberg was not included for one simple reason: no experience at the MLB level. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it that he didn’t even deserve a chance with the Cubs. It just means that Theo and Jed sat down and said whoever they hired HAD to have MLB experience.
I’m OK with it. I would have liked to have seen Sandberg get a chance to manage to the Cubs. He may yet get that chance down the road after he gets some experience.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]fify[/quote]Sandberg was also almost certainly not a fan of Jim Hendry, so he’d probably wish the best of luck to anyone who knocked his old boss off his perch.
It’s cool that Sandberg seems to be getting MLB manager interviews. He should at least get a MLB coaching job this year — maybe even with the Cubs.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]Also, the Cubs didn’t decline. They picked up their half, and Ramirez declined.[/quote]Yeah, they did that more than likely knowing Ramirez would decline.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]It’s cool that Sandberg seems to be getting MLB manager interviews. He should at least get a MLB coaching job this year — maybe even with the Cubs.[/quote]He’ll get an MLB gig at some point. It’s just a matter of time. If he’s any good at it I’m guessing he comes back to Chicago at some point.
I don’t care if he wears a Cardinals uniform. I’ll be happy to see the guy manage so that stuff just doesn’t bother me.
I think/wishcast that Martinez is at the top of their list, unless they’re going to try to make a play somehow for Joe Maddon. I don’t think that either side is interested in Tito coming to Chicago right now, but maybe down the road.
I’m not a fan of Sveum, though what you said earlier was interesting MB. I don’t remember specifics but I had a very negative impression of him while he was with the Brewers.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]It’s cool that Sandberg seems to be getting MLB manager interviews. He should at least get a MLB coaching job this year — maybe even with the Cubs.[/quote]
I don’t think he’s coming to the Cubs unless it’s for the top job. It would be unfair for whoever the current manager might be to have such an obvious candidate to replace him sitting right there in the dugout.
Congrats to Aramis Ramirez for winning a (well-deserved) Silver Slugger award.
[quote name=ACT]Congrats to Aramis Ramirez for winning a (well-deserved) Silver Slugger award.[/quote]Nice of him to finally win when the pressure was off.
/dumbass fan’d
For those complaining about Ryno not getting an interview, Theo interviewed Ryno last off season for his AAA job. It’s not like Theo needed to give Ryno another interview to know what his philosophies might be. I think Theo knew when he took the job who he wants to be his manager and we’ll find out when he’s ready to tell us. I’m glad that upon firing Quade he immediately told Cubs fans it won’t be Ryno so don’t even think about it. That was a smart preemptive move. It was also a good idea for him to immediately reach out to Sandberg and tell him so that the org didn’t look like a bunch of dicks the way Hendry did last year. It’s such a relief to have the Superfriends making everything right in the world. (dying laughing)
I’d be shocked if anyone other than Jose Oquendo is managing the Cardinals next year.
[quote name=Berselius]I’d be shocked if anyone other than Jose Oquendo is managing the Cardinals next year.[/quote]Terry Pendleton disagrees.
[quote name=mb21]I think Sanberg was not included for one simple reason: no experience at the MLB level. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it that he didn’t even deserve a chance with the Cubs. It just means that Theo and Jed sat down and said whoever they hired HAD to have MLB experience.[/quote]Sure, but… why? What value does MLB coaching experience add that Ryno wouldn’t? Seems to me that most candidates would need MLB experience in order to know their way around a clubhouse and to command respect from the players. Ryno is a rare/unique candidate who has both of those even without the MLB coaching.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they should have hired him. It just sounds like their publicly stated search criteria was designed to fit certain candidates and not the other way around. I’m actually fine with that, since it’s the nicest possible way to get rid of Ryno. But there must be some real value they’re looking for that he doesn’t have, and I’m curious to know what that is.
I hope that Aramis’ Silver Slugger award will have an asterisk next to it in the record books to indicate that the hits only occurred when it never mattered.
I’m guessing the no mlb experience thing was just an excuse to let Ryno (and Cubs fans) down easy. I think they know who they want.
[quote name=fang2415] What value does MLB coaching experience add that Ryno wouldn’t?
It just sounds like their publicly stated search criteria was designed to fit certain candidates and not the other way around. I’m actually fine with that, since it’s the nicest possible way to get rid of Ryno. .[/quote]
I think you answered your own question. Theo had already interviewed Ryno and knew he didn’t want him. To me the statement of requiring MLB experience was a way to justify his disinterest in Ryno which he knew Cubs fans would be asking of him.
[quote name=melissa]I think you answered your own question. Theo had already interviewed Ryno and knew he didn’t want him. To me the statement of requiring MLB experience was a way to justify his disinterest in Ryno which he knew Cubs fans would be asking of him.[/quote]NOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLY
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]NOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLY[/quote]
(dying laughing)(dying laughing)(dying laughing)(dying laughing)(dying laughing)
[quote name=melissa]I think you answered your own question. Theo had already interviewed Ryno and knew he didn’t want him. To me the statement of requiring MLB experience was a way to justify his disinterest in Ryno which he knew Cubs fans would be asking of him.[/quote]Yeah, well, I already knew the answer to that one. (dying laughing)
What I really want to know is why they *actually* didn’t want Ryno. What could have prompted his disinterest in the first place?
I’m thinking it’s gotta basically come down to stats stuff. But maybe I’m forgetting something else that Ryno might be bad at?
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]NOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLYNOBRENLY[/quote](dying laughing)
Also, no Valentine please.
[quote name=fang2415](dying laughing)
Also, no Valentine please.[/quote]Correct.
Ryne’s public comments always bugged me a bit. e.g., from his HoF speech:
[quote name=fang2415]
What I really want to know is why they *actually* didn’t want Ryno. What could have prompted his disinterest in the first place?
[/quote]
I don’t think Theo would ever come out and say why he doesn’t like Sandberg. It would be bad form and what purpose would it serve other than to make him look bad? He may not even dislike Sandberg, it just might be that he obviously likes someone else more. Theo interviewed Ryno last season and he didn’t want him, we’ll just have to live with that.
[quote name=melissa]I don’t think Theo would ever come out and say why he doesn’t like Sandberg. It would be bad form and what purpose would it serve other than to make him look bad? He may not even dislike Sandberg, it just might be that he obviously likes someone else more. Theo interviewed Ryno last season and he didn’t want him, we’ll just have to live with that.[/quote]C’mon, surely we can make up a more interesting reason than that? (dying laughing)
Srs though, you’re obviously right that Theo’s not going to say anything about it explicitly. I guess we’ll probably have to wait to see who they do hire and then wait to see what whoever they hire does. Then we’ll know that they thought Ryno would’ve done the opposite of that. (dying laughing)
[quote name=ACT]Ryne’s public comments always bugged me a bit. e.g., from his HoF speech:[/quote]Yeah, Ryno might’ve lit the bunt beacon a little too often for MO’s liking, that’s for sure.
Looking through his minor league teams, he didn’t issue very many IBB’s (relative to the rest of the leagues).
I can see a lot of non-baseball reasons that Theo might not want Ryno. He may not want a manager who is going to be able to go to the local media and curry favor when Theo gives him a directive he doesn’t like. If Sandberg were to decide that he wasn’t on board with something that came down from headquarters it could definitely be a problem for the Theocracy. I can also see why Theo may not want to put himself in a situation where he’ll have to fire a beloved Hall of Famer one day.
[quote name=melissa]I can see a lot of non-baseball reasons that Theo might not want Ryno. He may not want a manager who is going to be able to go to the local media and curry favor when Theo gives him a directive he doesn’t like. If Sandberg were to decide that he wasn’t on board with something that came down from headquarters it could definitely be a problem for the Theocracy. I can also see why Theo may not want to put himself in a situation where he’ll have to fire a beloved Hall of Famer one day.[/quote]Yeah, that stuff makes sense. I’ve always assumed that Ryno was desperate enough to manage that he would do it in the nude if the FO asked him to. But if Theo caught even a hint that he’d start putting his HoF clout behind his own ideas about the Good Old Fashioned Dead Ball Way, then he wouldn’t want him anywhere near the big league dugout.
Sveum would emphatically continue the run of managers with mispronounced vowels in their last names.
Just heard Heyman on MLB Network say he thinks the Cubs are faves to land Fielder.
I would support that if they realistically think they can compete in 2 years.
I guess I just don’t give a flying fuck about Ryno. Theo doesn’t want him? Good enough for me.
[quote name=fang2415]Sure, but… why? What value does MLB coaching experience add that Ryno wouldn’t? Seems to me that most candidates would need MLB experience in order to know their way around a clubhouse and to command respect from the players. Ryno is a rare/unique candidate who has both of those even without the MLB coaching.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they should have hired him. It just sounds like their publicly stated search criteria was designed to fit certain candidates and not the other way around. I’m actually fine with that, since it’s the nicest possible way to get rid of Ryno. But there must be some real value they’re looking for that he doesn’t have, and I’m curious to know what that is.[/quote]I don’t think MLB coaching experience would add much of anything, if anything at all. All I can think of is that Thoyer doesn’t want a rock star manager and Sandberg would be just that in Chicago.
Yeah, this doesn’t bother me at all, either. I’m sure Theo et al. can do a better job picking a manager than I can.
[quote name=fang2415]Yeah, well, I already knew the answer to that one. (dying laughing)
What I really want to know is why they *actually* didn’t want Ryno. What could have prompted his disinterest in the first place?
I’m thinking it’s gotta basically come down to stats stuff. But maybe I’m forgetting something else that Ryno might be bad at?[/quote]My guess is that it’s just one of those things. Thoyer probably thinks that experience is more valuable than it is, or I think it’s less valuable than it is.
[quote name=ACT]Ryne’s public comments always bugged me a bit. e.g., from his HoF speech:[/quote]They bugged me in that he was essentially calling out an entire generation of players. That’s irrelevant though when it comes to deciding if he’s capable of managing. It’s as irrelevant as his success during his career. I just figured his teams had one well and then moving to a new team and they do even better. It’s impressive. He’ll get a job somewhere. I don’t care where it is. I rooted for Greg Maddux for over a decade in a Braves uniform. I can root for Sandberg in another uniform and no, I don’t care if it’s a Cardinals uniform.
Not sure if this was previously mentioned but the Cubs interested in Buerhle.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/02/the-cubs-and-nats-are-interested-in-mark-buehrle/
[quote name=fang2415]C’mon, surely we can make up a more interesting reason than that? (dying laughing)
Srs though, you’re obviously right that Theo’s not going to say anything about it explicitly. I guess we’ll probably have to wait to see who they do hire and then wait to see what whoever they hire does. Then we’ll know that they thought Ryno would’ve done the opposite of that. (dying laughing)[/quote]I don’t think that will tell us what they thought of Sandberg. What is going to be a kick in the nuts to the new front office is if Sandberg gets a job and his teams do very well. It will be even worse if it’s with the Cardinals. If Sandberg takes over the Cardinals, the Theo love turns to Theo hate if the Cardinals reach the postseason next year.
Thoyer has balls. I’ll give them that. Between the two of them they have they 6 balls and they weigh 30 pounds. If Sandberg succeeds elsewhere while the Cubs suck, Thoyer is getting run out of town by the fans and the media. Balls.
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Not sure if this was previously mentioned but the Cubs interested in Buerhle.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/02/the-cubs-and-nats-are-interested-in-mark-buehrle//quoteWe were wondering who the Cubs might be interested in as far as pitching goes since Hoyer said the Cubs need a lot of it. 424 said he had a better chance of pitching for the Cubs. I agreed. I just don’t see a huge Cardinals fan, longtime White Sox fan who hates Wrigley Field playing for the Cubs.
[quote name=mb21]I don’t think that will tell us what they thought of Sandberg. What is going to be a kick in the nuts to the new front office is if Sandberg gets a job and his teams do very well. It will be even worse if it’s with the Cardinals. If Sandberg takes over the Cardinals, the Theo love turns to Theo hate if the Cardinals reach the postseason next year.
Thoyer has balls. I’ll give them that. Between the two of them they have they 6 balls and they weigh 30 pounds. If Sandberg succeeds elsewhere while the Cubs suck, Thoyer is getting run out of town by the fans and the media. Balls.[/quote]
Mutant scrota?
[quote name=mb21]We were wondering who the Cubs might be interested in as far as pitching goes since Hoyer said the Cubs need a lot of it. 424 said he had a better chance of pitching for the Cubs. I agreed. I just don’t see a huge Cardinals fan, longtime White Sox fan who hates Wrigley Field playing for the Cubs.[/quote]
Not sure I see it either but if he came around 10 mil a year I’d like the signing.
At $10 million I’d be thrilled.
[quote name=mb21]Between the two of them they have they 6 balls and they weigh 30 pounds.[/quote]
new shit: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/the-keltner-list-and-sammy-sosa.html
[quote name=mb21]At $10 million I’d be thrilled.[/quote]
I just hope that 424 spreads that money around to me, you, and AC
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Not sure if this was previously mentioned but the Cubs interested in Buerhle.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/02/the-cubs-and-nats-are-interested-in-mark-buehrle//quote
Who’s Mark Buehrle?
/Maddux’d