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  • Cubs and Matt Garza avoid arbitration

    MattGarza-pitchThe Cubs have avoided arbitration with another of their players. Last week they re-signed Luis Valbuena and they have now reached an agreement with Matt Garza for $10.25 million.

    Cubs right-hander Matt Garza avoided arbitration and agreed to a new $10.25 million contract on Thursday.

    Garza's representatives at CAA announced the new deal on Twitter: "#Cubs Matt Garza (@Gdeuceswild) agrees to a $10.25M contract to avoid salary arbitration." Garza himself revealed the contract on his Twitter account: "Business side over! Hooray! Time to focus on what really matters … 2013 #GoCubsGo"

    The Cubs were expected to make a formal announcement on Friday.

    Garza has always been a little overrated and $10.25 million is a bit much, but it's his final year of arbitration and he was going to get a raise.

    I'm interested in what kind of value Garza has at this point in a trade. To keep things simple, let's start with CAIRO. It projects a 3.69 FIP over 150 innings, which is also 2.6 WAR. If the win value is, let's say, $6 million in 2013, that's $15.6 million in value. Garza's surplus trade value prior to the start of the season is $5.4 million.

    We'll go ahead and write Garza in for 200 innings and bump the WAR to 3.5. That's $21 million in value and a surplus value of $10.8 million.

    I think expecting 3.5 WAR from Garza is a bit of a stretch. Below are his WAR totals since 2008:

    • WARP: 1.6, 2.2, 0.6, 3.7, -0.4
    • fWAR: 2.9, 3.1, 1.6, 4.9, 1.2
    • rWAR: 3.1, 3.3, 1.3, 2.5, 1.0

    But the projections are the projections so we're using them.

    Garza's value will decrease as the season goes on. If he's traded at the deadline, he'd only be expected to provide about 1.2 WAR the rest of the way while being paid $3.42 million over the final two months. That would give him a surprlus value of $3.8 million.

    Comparing those values to this post on Beyond the Box Score, the Cubs probably won't get much in return for Garza at the deadline. I imagine it will be difficult to trade him before he shows he is completely healthy and I'm not sure spring training is going to get that done.

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    82 Responses to “Cubs and Matt Garza avoid arbitration”

    1. Mish 1 Mish says:

      From the last thread:

      Brooks Raley, LHP, Chicago Cubs
      Bats: L Throws: L HT: 6-3 WT: 185 DOB: July 29, 1988

      A sixth-round pick in 2009 from Texas A&M, Brooks Raley made his major league debut last summer, making five starts for the Cubs. He pitched adequately in three of those starts, but got knocked around in the other two, resulting in the numbers you see above. Raley is a four-pitch lefty, working with an 85-90 MPH fastball (averaging 88), a slider/cutter, a changeup, and a curveball. None of his pitches qualify as plus, resulting in a thin margin for error, but when he throws strikes he can be effective. He was tough on lefties in the minors and might transfer to LOOGY work. However, since he’s a very good athlete with a consistent delivery and good makeup, the temptation is to see if he can eat some innings as a fifth starter. The sabermetric case for Raley is a weak one, but for some subjective reason I think he might surprise us eventually with a Scott Diamond-like season. Grade C.

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    2. Rice Cube 2 Rice Cube says:

      Comparing those values to this post on Beyond the Box Score, the Cubs probably won’t get much in return for Garza at the deadline. I imagine it will be difficult to trade him before he shows he is completely healthy and I’m not sure spring training is going to get that done.

      Does this factor in GM stupidity and desperation?

      I imagine that if they’re getting crap in trade, they’ll just give him the qualifying offer or extend him then.

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    3. dmick89 4 dmick89 says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Does this factor in GM stupidity and desperation?

      No, but there’s less of that, especially now that a team who trades for Garza midseason won’t be able to cash in on a draft pick. That’s one thing that I think a lot of people overlooked with the new CBA: players traded midseason are worth less than they were before.

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    4. dmick89 5 dmick89 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Yeah, if they can do better with a draft pick then that’s more than likely what they’ll do. It depends on how he pitches this year. If he starts out like he did in 2011 he’ll have more value. If it’s like 2012 and every other year, probably a little less value. Maybe some GM is desperate, but I wouldn’t count on that. Garza isn’t a great pitcher and there are likely to be better starters available at the deadline. Acquiring a player for 2 months with no chance of draft pick compensation makes a player much less attractive to the acquiring team these days.

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    5. Aisle424 6 Aisle424 says:

      Damn it, MB, you got your classlessness all over me.

      @ mike:

      You understand that the Cubs Convention is the equivalent of a politician making a campaign promise, right, Mike? Cubs Convention isn’t where you go to get truth, you get very polished talking points designed to get you excited, whether there is actual good reason to get excited or not.

      These guys will all be in the best shape of their lives! I’m going to spoil it for you, Mike, Stew is going to be just fine. I’m sure he’ll tell us so this weekend, so it must be true. I remember when Kerry Wood told us all his elbow problems were totally healed up at the 1999 Cubs Convention. We were all very excited about that as well.

      By the way, BCB is that way —————->

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    6. Berselius 7 Berselius says:

      No matter how much the Cubs hold our collective heads in the toilet, we keep complaining that it’s not a trough instead

      /belatedly fixed

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    7. Berselius 8 Berselius says:

      dmick89 wrote:

      No, turns out this Mike left another comment earlier this month and interestingly, he mentioned both Schierholtz and Stew. I’m still (dying laughing) at Stew.
      In his first comment, he attacked berselius. Now it’s 424′s turn.

      What the fuck did I do? (dying laughing)

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    8. GW 9 GW says:

      BP is free today

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    9. JonKneeV 10 JonKneeV says:

      mike, do you know someone by the name of ChicagoBearJew? If so, tell him we’d all love to chat.

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    10. mikeakaleroy 11 mikeakaleroy says:

      That dude needs to change his name. I didn’t read every word and was worried I pissed Aisley off. (dying laughing)

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    11. Rice Cube 12 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      Maybe the Cubs can try to package someone with Garza and try to grab back what the Marlins got for Sanchez and Infante, but Sanchez is better than Garza…they’d have to prey on desperation. I am still not sure what I’d think if the Cubs signed Garza to an extension.

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    12. Aisle424 14 Aisle424 says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:

      You’re cool. For now.

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    13. dmick89 15 dmick89 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I had it read it twice because I was surprised you were the one being called classless. Thought for sure he meant me. (dying laughing)

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    14. dmick89 16 dmick89 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      It would depend on the extension. I wouldn’t want to go longer than 3 years, but that’s just me.

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    15. Aisle424 17 Aisle424 says:

      dmick89 wrote:

      @ Berselius:
      He didn’t call you classless or anything so you’re not up to 424 standards: http://www.obstructedview.net/commentary-and-analysis/muskat-work-in-progress-but-cubs-aim-to-be-competitive.html#comment-129095

      Yeah, but he defiantly got a cob in one of his holes.

      I don’t know what that means.

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    16. 18 Edwin says:

      I always enjoy the trade value analysis. Mostly because it’s a good reminder how many fans overrate their own prospects when they talk trades, and because then I get to write the word analysis, which always makes me giggle.

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    17. dmick89 19 dmick89 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      He’s a big fan of Schierholtz and Stew. That’s for sure.

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    18. mikeakaleroy 20 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Do NOT google image search “Cob in holes”

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    19. dmick89 21 dmick89 says:

      I get the feeling Mike doesn’t think we’re “true” Cubs fans. I would think that by writing on this blog and the others for several years that we would have to be true Cubs fans. Otherwise, why the fuck would we do this?

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    20. Rice Cube 22 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      Because you’re a masochist.

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    21. Rice Cube 23 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      I also wonder if what happens to guys like Lohse and Bourn will influence the Cubs to trade Garza. There’s got to be a deadline for a team to get their former free agent signed by someone else to get that comp pick so they might run the risk of Garza either accepting the offer, him leaving without getting anything in return, or nobody signing him until after such a deadline and the Cubs still getting nothing. I think they’ll think hard about trading him in the spring even if it’s difficult. It’s quite a gamble but with an elbow injury and not being sure which Garza shows up…

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    22. Suburban kid 24 Suburban kid says:

      dmick89 wrote:

      I get the feeling Mike doesn’t think we’re “true” Cubs fans. I would think that by writing on this blog and the others for several years that we would have to be true Cubs fans. Otherwise, why the fuck would we do this?

      Because you’re ironic Cubs fans?

      Aisley’s comment yesterday about people who attend the Cubs Fest unironically (sp?) got me thinking whether or not there were ironic Cubs fans. People who root for the Cubs because it is so lame. (dying laughing)

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    23. WenningtonsGorillaCock 25 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      dmick89 wrote:

      I get the feeling Mike doesn’t think we’re “true” Cubs fans. I would think that by writing on this blog and the others for several years that we would have to be true Cubs fans. Otherwise, why the fuck would we do this?

      Wait, this is a Cubs blog?

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    24. mikeakaleroy 26 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:

      Wait, this is a Cubs blog?

      Of course it is! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to comment about Fake Dead Girlfriends.

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    25. 27 The Wreckard says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      dmick89 wrote:
      I get the feeling Mike doesn’t think we’re “true” Cubs fans. I would think that by writing on this blog and the others for several years that we would have to be true Cubs fans. Otherwise, why the fuck would we do this?

      Because you’re ironic Cubs fans?
      Aisley’s comment yesterday about people who attend the Cubs Fest unironically (sp?) got me thinking whether or not there were ironic Cubs fans. People who root for the Cubs because it is so lame. (dying laughing)

      I’ll admit that I attend the convention non-ironically. Or at least as non-ironically as I’m capable of doing anything. My whole family goes and we have fun.

      Although in years past I’ve always worn my Milton Bradley shirt. Not quite as funny anymore.

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    26. dmick89 28 dmick89 says:

      Getting back to mlb.tv and ways around blackout restrictions, couldn’t you use a VPN? My IP right now says I’m from Amsterdam.

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    27. GW 29 GW says:

      @ dmick89:

      who do you connect to?

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    28. dmick89 30 dmick89 says:

      @ GW:
      It’s an app. vyprvpn: http://www.goldenfrog.com/vyprvpn

      I get it free with a usenet provider I’m signed up for. Actually, they just released the Mac version yesterday so it’s new on my Macs. I’ve used it on Windows before and am glad they finally have a Mac version.

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    29. dmick89 31 dmick89 says:

      I would think it would work with mlb.tv, but I don’t really know.

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    30. dmick89 33 dmick89 says:

      If Dave or anyone else wants to look into VPN providers, here’s a good comparison: http://www.vpn-providers.net/

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    31. Suburban kid 34 Suburban kid says:

      The Wreckard wrote:

      I’ll admit that I attend the convention non-ironically.

      A rare sincerity in this post-literal world. You are a true Cubs fan, The Wreckard.

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    32. Suburban kid 35 Suburban kid says:

      Has anyone who shat on Bagwell for his physique looked at pictures of roided-up Lance Armstrong?

      This is why it’s just as possible that Alfonso Soriano was a “juicer” as it is Frank Thomas. Witch-hunting douche bags.

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    33. Rice Cube 36 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:

      His eyes scream roid rage.

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    34. Suburban kid 37 Suburban kid says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      People who root for the Cubs because it is so lame. (dying laughing)

      Completely forgot about Hipster Ricketts.

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    35. Rice Cube 38 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:

      LANCE SMASH

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    36. dmick89 39 dmick89 says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      Has anyone who shat on Bagwell for his physique looked at pictures of roided-up Lance Armstrong?
      This is why it’s just as possible that Alfonso Soriano was a “juicer” as it is Frank Thomas. Witch-hunting douche bags.

      I know. It’s so painfully obvious to anybody that size doesn’t mean steroid usage. It takes a fucking idiot to think it does. Sure, it could be because of that, but it might not be. Small guys use the shit too. It’s ridiculous.

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    37. Rice Cube 40 Rice Cube says:

      I have been way out of the loop so I don’t know exactly what Lance Armstrong used but I’m guessing epo was one of them:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin#Blood_doping

      If he didn’t actually take a steroid or HGH then I doubt he’d get monstrous huge.

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    38. dmick89 41 dmick89 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I don’t know exactly either, but I know epo was involved. I thought I read about steroids and HGH, but who knows? I really could not care less about this Armstrong nonsense. He’s an adult. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to his body. As for him being a piece of shit, well, he is a professional athlete…

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    39. GBTS 42 GBTS says:

      @ dmick89:
      He sold wristbands, MB.

      WRISTBANDS. He must suffer.

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    40. Rice Cube 43 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      It’s kind of depressing to think how many people will stop donating to support cancer research now that the figurehead of a major charity is supposedly a douchebag.

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    41. 44 Edwin says:

      I mean, it makes you wonder about Lance. Did he use drugs to beat caner too? What a phony.

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    42. Suburban kid 45 Suburban kid says:

      DeRosa Shirseys

      Good band name.

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    43. GW 46 GW says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      Has anyone who shat on Bagwell for his physique looked at pictures of roided-up Lance Armstrong?

      This is why it’s just as possible that Alfonso Soriano was a “juicer” as it is Frank Thomas. Witch-hunting douche bags.

      meh, I agree with the point but I don’t think the comparison works at all. Doping in the tour de france is all about increasing the number of red blood cells in your body. any combination of drug/workout program that added extra weight would be eschewed because carrying extra weight on a seven hour bike ride through the mountains isn’t a great idea.

      in baseball, for hitters at least, adding weight in the form of muscle mass is the point.

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    44. GBTS 47 GBTS says:

      Edwin wrote:

      Did he use drugs to beat caner too? What a phony.

      Back in SK’s day, if you got cancer you just did pushups until you sweated it all out. Then you said “thank you sir, may I have another?” and downed a full bottle of scotch.

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    45. JonKneeV 49 JonKneeV says:

      GBTS wrote:

      Back in SK’s day, if you got cancer you just did pushups until you sweated it all out. Then you said “thank you sir, may I have another?” and downed a full bottle of scotch died.

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    46. josh 50 josh says:

      Holy shit, I’m out of it for a little while and you guys start defiantly shoving cobs in your holes? What the fuck, people?

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    47. mikeakaleroy 51 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ josh:
      The world doesn’t stop while you’re off building guitars and killing fake girlfriends, Josh.

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    48. Rice Cube 52 Rice Cube says:

      Today in the “not everyone sucks” news pile:

      Hiding the long-ass URL to a story about a Reddit pic

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    49. josh 53 josh says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:
      You forgot “Playing Words with Friends” which is mostly what I do these days.

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    50. josh 54 josh says:

      @ josh:
      I challened MB to a game, but he afeared my spelleng skillz.

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    51. josh 55 josh says:

      @ josh:
      What’s funny, to me, is that I didn’t mean to misspell “challenged”

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    52. mikeakaleroy 56 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ josh:
      What’s funny to me is that apparently the rest of us have gone home, so you are left conversing with yourself (dying laughing)

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    53. josh 57 josh says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:
      Yeah, but I’m used to that. Many of these comment threads feature me saying 5-6 things to myself before finally realizing I’m talking to myself and quietly turning off my computer and sitting alone in the dark contemplating where I have gone wrong.

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    54. dmick89 59 dmick89 says:

      josh wrote:

      I challened MB to a game, but he afeared my spelleng skillz.

      (dying laughing) I’ve never played and only downloaded the game because an old friend challenged me to a game. I declined that one and didn’t feel bad. I felt really belt when I declined your invite so I had to email you to apologize. (dying laughing)

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    55. Berselius 60 Berselius says:

      F7 ——-> $2.64m next year (plus incentives)

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    56. Jed Jam Band 61 Jed Jam Band says:

      This is truly the most important thing to happen in the world today:

      http://www.fangraphs.com/not/index.php/introducing-beers-above-replacement/

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    57. dmick89 62 dmick89 says:

      @ Jed Jam Band:
      False. It’s the nonstop news on that cheater cheater pumpkin eater.

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    58. Suburban kid 63 Suburban kid says:

      Just out of curiosity, by why would an incumbent president need to have a second inauguration ceremony?

      And c), even if there is a need for a swearing in, do we really need a repeat of the pomp and circumstance?

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    59. Suburban kid 64 Suburban kid says:

      The problem with it, of course, is that because it’s in a central location, everyone has to use the escalators to go from one of the four (!) levels you’ll find convention venues, from registration to a new season-ticket holder lounge (nice touch) to charity auction areas to the main room where vendors are located to the ballrooms where the panel discussions will be held Saturday.

      /one sentence

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    60. Rice Cube 65 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…

      Apparently the Cubs did try to get Justin Upton, but didn’t want to give up Castro. This appears to have been post-extension.

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    61. dmick89 66 dmick89 says:

      Prop Joe ———> RIP

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    62. Rizzo the Rat 67 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Earl Weaver ———> RIP

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    63. Rizzo the Rat 68 Rizzo the Rat says:

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    64. Rizzo the Rat 69 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Huh, I was hoping that would imbed. What happened?

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    65. dmick89 70 dmick89 says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      Youtube started using https rather than http so it doesn’t really work anymore.

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    66. dmick89 72 dmick89 says:

      leave out the https:// part of the url. That worked on that one.

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    67. Rizzo the Rat 73 Rizzo the Rat says:

      More Earl Weaver:

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    68. Rizzo the Rat 74 Rizzo the Rat says:

      And, yes, that segment was not an actual blooper since it was never intended to air, but it’s still fun.

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    69. Rice Cube 75 Rice Cube says:

      I wasn’t sure if any of you were keeping up, but some of the crew went to the Convention and tweeted a lot. I’ve compiled the stuff re: Wrigley renovations if anyone is interested:

      http://worldseriesdreaming.com/2013/01/19/wrigley-renovation-plans-from-the-cubs-convention/

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    70. dmick89 76 dmick89 says:

      Epstein said that if the club sees a can’t miss position player available at the No. 2 spot in the draft, they may go that route and stockpile pitching later, tweets Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.
      Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/cubs-notes.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29#eqB8EQ1O3GEisomU.99

      A person would have to think that this front office is retarded if they’re going to pass on a superior player in the draft just to take a pitcher. It’s about overall talent.

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    71. GW 77 GW says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      The project will last five years and cost around $300MM, and just as Muskat reported yesterday, the Ricketts will pay for it.

      This is pretty big news, is it not?

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    72. GW 78 GW says:

      brett has more details, including renderings.

      the dugout batting cages seem like a big deal to me.

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    73. Rice Cube 79 Rice Cube says:

      @ GW:
      It’s a huge deal. The Cubs are basically giving the city the deal of a lifetime if Chicago lets them do whatever they want within reason. Jed Hoyer was pretty brutally honest about how shitty the facilities were. An expanded clubhouse and more batting cages is definitely big.

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    74. Rizzo the Rat 81 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Tomorrow at the Cubs convention there will be four services: Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical and Tony Campana.— Colin Wyers (@cwyers) January 19, 2013

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