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  • Arizona State University President Calls the Cubs Liars

    Since the Ricketts took over as owners of the Cubs, not much has gone easily or without pissing a whole bunch of people off.  

    Their keeping of Jim Hendry and a dead roster to flail away under the guise of contending for two years pissed off a large chunk of the fanbase. Now the organizational overhaul that has required a gutting of high priced talent from the roster is pissing people off that are shocked "the kids" are pretty bad at baseball.

    Of course, the ongoing attempts to procure funds from a virtually bankrupt state and/or city government has been met with derision by people who don't have a billionaire for a father, and then they managed to piss off one of the only guys in the government willing to try to make the whole deal happen by having their dad very publically funding an attempt to overthrow his friend and former boss in the White House.

    About the only thing that had managed to go smoothly was the deal to build a state-of-the-art training facility in Mesa, Arizona.

    Well, not so much anymore. Gary Nelson of Azcentral.com is reporting that the President of Arizona State University is none to pleased with the Cubs and how the plans for the new facility are going.  ASU was supposed to share the facilties with the Cubs in what was presented as a plus for both the Cubs and for the Sun Devils' baseball program.

    In theory, it all sounded great.  Their current facility, Packard Stadium, is no longer serving ASU's long-term needs and partnering with the Cubs was a cheaper option than going on their own:

    ASU expects to spend $4 million to $5 million to build a clubhouse as its major investment in the $99 million complex, 3 miles east of Packard at the Loops 101 and 202 junction in Mesa.

    To rebuild or even remodel Packard would cost an estimated $20 million to $40 million, [ASU Vice-President for Athletics, Steve] Patterson said.

    There were some lingering concerns about how much of a partnership this would be, even back in May, but everybody was putting on their happy faces and spinning away to make it just the most perfect pairing since peanut butter met jelly:

    "It won't feel like you're lost in a big stadium," Mesa Mayor Scott Smith said. "That's how we planned it. When you go to a Cubs game, it will feel like Wrigley (Field). When you go to an ASU game, it will feel like you're on campus. With electronics and the way it's designed, you can shift from a Cubs theme to an ASU theme, and people will be very much at home."

    The fixed seats will be green rather than the Cubs' blue and red. There will be grass seating for up to 4,000 along with suites and party decks. ASU believes it could draw 10,000 or more for NCAA regional or super-regional games, harking back to the late 1970s and early '80s when Packard seated 10,000 including baseline bleachers.

    Patterson also was clearly pushing hard for this partnership:

    "People have an affinity for their traditions and legacies and often those are wrapped up in a physical facility," Patterson said. "It's about how you preserve that tradition. Once people get in there, they're really going to enjoy it. We'll have a great facility with great tradition and a great coach. That's what you want."

    Now, only a month later, ASU is all kinds of pissed off.  Their President, Michael Crow, sent an e-mail to Mesa's Mayor Scott Smith wanting to know if ASU was getting pushed out of the facility by the Cubs:

    "When you and I talked about this," he told Smith, "you indicated that we might need to invest a bit more to make all the numbers work. We agreed to do that and went back to our board for their approval of our leasing terms and the new capital improvements necessary for the project to fit into the city's budget. … We were still operating under the notion that your partner operated in good faith."

    "The Cubs," Crow said, "are not people of their word."

    Crow asked Smith directly whether "you and the (city) council also want us out of the project, and will there be a vote of the council to that effect?"

    Mayor Smith, who, just a month ago was all roses and sunshine over this deal, e-mailed Crow back:

    "I share your frustration."

    Smith went on to tell Crow that he had spoken directly to Tom Ricketts and expressed his displeasure, also telling Crow that he needed to stick with it because the deal was too good for both parties to allow it to fall apart.

    Meanwhile, the Cubs statement sounds ominously like they don't give a damn about ASU's feelings in the grand sceme of things:

    "We hope Arizona State will be part of the new spring training facility," Cubs spokesman Julian Green said. "However, our first priority is building a world-class facility for use by the Cubs year-round. This is what the voters of Mesa approved."

    That's basically telling everyone that the Cubs are going to have this new facility no matter what, and ASU can either get on board or not, but it will get built.  Maybe Green should send a case of those "It's Gonna Happen" signs to Crow to emphasize the point.

    69 Responses to “Arizona State University President Calls the Cubs Liars”

    1. Rice Cube 1 Rice Cube says:

      So…the Cubs took the money and ran?

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    2. mb21 2 mb21 says:

      Good stuff, 424. I’m interested in hearing the other side of the story. Anytime there’s this much money involved I’m hesitant to believe what one party may say. My guess is the Cubs have an entirely different take on this, but I don’t know. Maybe the Cubs realized that if they’re going to be sharing this with ASU that ASU should be paying more than they initially agreed upon. It sounds to me like this is mostly benefiting ASU. It’s interesting the harsh words that were said about the Cubs though.

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    3. GBTS 3 GBTS says:

      Arizona State is the Cubs of academia.

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    4. 4 WaLi22 says:

      You follow Cubs, you get shitty baseball and drunk fans . But you start to follow the money, and you don’t know where the fuck it’s gonna take you.

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    5. GBTS 5 GBTS says:

      @ WaLi22:
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      Wali wins the thread.

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    6. Rice Cube 6 Rice Cube says:

      Luckily for the Cubs, David Ortiz only has one speed.

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    7. Berselius 7 Berselius says:

      Shockingly, Koyie cleared waivers

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    8. mb21 8 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      No way.

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    9. Rice Cube 9 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:

      WAY.

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    10. Rizzo the Rat 10 ACT says:

      Ugh, Sori not running on a liner that was dropped at third.

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    11. Steve Swisher 11 Steve Swisher says:

      I don’t know the deal with Arizona, but the intro seems pretty unfair. Was a large portion of the fanbase really pissed at the Ricketts family over the Hendry situation? I tend to doubt that.

      The family was new to baseball ownership, and Hendry had gotten the team to the playoffs three times. Tom is clearly a guy who prefers to make slow, judicious moves. It seems reasonable that they would want to get the lay of the land before charging in and making massive changes. So they kept Hendry while figuring things out. Then they fired him, and now they have one of the smartest guys in baseball as prez. That doesn’t piss me off in the slightest.

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    12. Berselius 12 Berselius says:

      (dying laughing), WGN just played the clip of Santo yelling at some fan to sit down

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    13. Berselius 13 Berselius says:

      @ Steve Swisher:

      Not to mention that reading between the lines last offseason, they were only keeping Hendry around until the big names (Theo, Friedman, Cashman) were available.

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    14. Berselius 14 Berselius says:

      Castillo had several good PAs today against Lester

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    15. Berselius 15 Berselius says:

      VALBUENA! CUBS LOSING BY LESS!

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    16. Rizzo the Rat 16 ACT says:

      Bryce Harper: 0-7, 5K. If 4 strikeouts are a golden sombrero, what’s the name for 5?

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    17. Rice Cube 17 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      A platinum derby.

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    18. Rizzo the Rat 18 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Or maybe a clown hat would be more apropos?

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    19. 19 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Did anyone here see “Man on Wire”? I really enjoyed that.

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    20. Rice Cube 21 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      That’s like a clown question, bro.

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    21. Steve Swisher 22 Steve Swisher says:

      @ Berselius:

      Yeah, I’m no Donuts apologist, but I think they played it well enough.

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    22. Rice Cube 23 Rice Cube says:

      Nice play by Castro. That lip on the infield is making some crazy hops.

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    23. Rizzo the Rat 24 ACT says:

      Harper’s day wasn’t a complete loss: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22336007&c_id=mlb

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    24. mb21 25 mb21 says:

      @ Steve Swisher:
      I think they played it right too but there were a lot of pissed off fans when he still had his job in 2010. Even more pissed off when he had it last season.

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    25. mb21 26 mb21 says:

      I don’t know what to think od the ASU/Mesa issue. I do think ASU has a sweet deal and I’m surprised it’s that good of a deal for them.

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    26. Rice Cube 27 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      Do you think it may be an issue with facility usage? Obviously the minor league guys and extended spring training guys need their own space and the college team might not need as much, or at least I don’t think they need extra space. There were something like four or five fields planned for that facility too, so I can’t imagine why ASU would get squeezed out, especially during their NCAA season.

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    27. mb21 28 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Something doesn’t seem right to me here.

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    28. Berselius 29 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      Not that it’s likely to have much impact on the baseball program, but I know some faculty members at ASU and they said that budget issues there are very strange right now given the explosion of students they’re admitting. I think they have the biggest undergrad population in the US. It was not particularly planned well and the rest of the budgets/logistics/staffing/etc. has been lagging behind to catch up. I know their math department had to hire a zillion lecturers to keep up with the sheer number of students.

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    29. Rizzo the Rat 30 ACT says:

      Cliff Lee is still winless after today’s start.

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    30. 31 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Shouldnt Clevenger have a pinch-runner?

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    31. Rizzo the Rat 32 ACT says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      They don’t have anyone left on the bench.

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    32. josh 33 josh says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      One of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen (aside from EVERYTHING by Werner Herzog).

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    33. Rice Cube 34 Rice Cube says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      They could’ve if they hadn’t wasted Campana already.

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    34. josh 35 josh says:

      Ugh. The ninth inning rally squashed.

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    35. SVB 36 SVB says:

      Looks like I’ll be going to a Kannapolis Intimidators game late this coming week (CWS low A), probably against Delmarva (Balt), but maybe against Hickory (Tex). Anyone from these teams I should be on the lookout for? Maybe a prospect that Tex (or Balt) might trade to the Cubs for Dempster?

      Also maybe Charlotte vs Gwinnett in July, but if so I’ll post again then.

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    36. josh 37 josh says:

      What did Soriano do that made Sveum say “100% of baseball players would have done that”? I missed most of the game due to t deal.

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    37. Rizzo the Rat 38 ACT says:

      @ josh:
      ACT wrote:

      Ugh, Sori not running on a liner that was dropped at third.

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    38. Rice Cube 39 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      The line drive was right into Middlebrooks’ glove. Most players would just stop and be like “FUCK” but Middlebrooks dropped the ball and by the time Soriano realized it, it was too late to try to get to first.

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    39. josh 40 josh says:

      @ ACT:
      Ok, I actually heard that play on the radio.

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    40. josh 41 josh says:

      I was trying to imagine someone running out a liner and couldn’t. I have to agree with Sveum on that.

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    41. Rice Cube 42 Rice Cube says:

      http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22349937&c_id=mlb

      I was surprised not to see Soriano running but at the same time I can’t really blame him. Can’t hate Soriano…

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    42. josh 43 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      It looked like he caught it. I think anyone would freeze for that moment until their brain processed that he hadn’t caught it.

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    43. GBTS 44 GBTS says:

      Yeah, effort wise, I can’t exactly fault Soriano for that. Sure looked like a catch. And practically, there’s no way he beats it out anyways. Who cares?

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    44. Rice Cube 45 Rice Cube says:

      GBTS wrote:

      Who cares?

      You’d be surprised…or maybe you won’t be.

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    45. josh 46 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      The second one.

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    46. Rizzo the Rat 48 ACT says:

      I didn’t have a big problem with the fans booing him after the play (i.e., it’s both commonplace and fair for fans to boo a player not running). But the loud boos as he took the field the next inning and when he came to the plate for his next at-bat were ridiculous and way out of proportion to the mistake.

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    47. josh 49 josh says:

      Maybe its the beer talking, but I think this team might suck.

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    48. Smokestack Lightning 50 Smokestack Lightning says:

      @ josh:

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    49. 51 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      @ josh:

      I love Herzog. Watching White Diamond was probably one of the most significant film-viewing experiences of my life. Its not really that its my “favorite movie” or anything, I just can’t remember being so fully engaged and intrigued by what i was seeing.

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    50. Rizzo the Rat 52 ACT says:

      I haven’t seen Herzog’s documentaries, but I’ve seen Aguirre, the Wrath of God and Fitzcarraldo.

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    51. Rizzo the Rat 53 ACT says:

      Reds SS Billy Hamilton stole FIVE bases tonight. He now has 80 on the season in 66 games. Nobody has stolen 80 in the big leagues since ’88.— Kevin Goldstein (@Kevin_Goldstein) June 17, 2012

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    52. josh 54 josh says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      I haven’t seen that one. I’ll check it out.

      @ ACT:
      I haven’t seen his more famous actual movies, but Grizzly Man, Encounters at the End of the World, and Into the Abyss are simply amazing movies. Cave of Forgotten Dreams is also amazing. If I had to recommend just one, it would be Encounters at the End of the World.

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    53. GBTS 55 GBTS says:

      @ josh:
      Grizzly Man is funnier than Spinal Tap.

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    54. josh 56 josh says:

      @ GBTS:
      I didn’t take it as funny, necessarily. Funny in an existential sense, maybe. It was like this guy so wanted there to be something more to life than what there was that he created this illusion and this story of himself, and for a long time, the illusion held. Werner never really sympathizes with Timothy, but I think Werner gets that desire to find a connection with something. And then when the illusion popped, it was sudden and brutal and terrifying.

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    55. josh 57 josh says:

      @ josh:
      That’s what I love about the movie, though. Treadwell was so strange and stupid, it was like a car wreck — a really bad front-end collision — in slow motion. Everyone watching knew what would happen, but when it happens, it’s still horrifying. And yet the guy was driving the wrong way down the interstate, what did he expect would happen? I don’t know. I think Herzog was the perfect director for it, because the man lacks all sentimentality, and that’s the approach you need to look at a man like Timothy Treadwell.

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    56. Rice Cube 58 Rice Cube says:

      Wow, Brad Lidge —> DFA

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    57. 59 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      @josh:

      I agree that Encounters is a great place to start. The use of images without commentary for several minutes is similar in the White Diamond. Also similarly to Grizzly Man, there is a sort-of crazy dude doing something rediculous- flying a small hot air balloon that he built over a rainforest to film the canopy. In this case, the man is (mostly consciously) attempting to resolve the fact that 15 years before, he was doing the same thing and his best friend was killed. He is feverishly obsessed with completing this task. Herzog handles it really well I think.

      The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

      Apparently thats the full film on youtube (dying laughing)

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    58. GBTS 60 GBTS says:

      @ josh:
      I agree, it’s a fantastic doc. The first time I saw it was in a film class in undergrad, and I guess I’ve always just kept my juvenille approach to the film. Between the subject matter, Treadwell’s batshit insanity, its (generally) unsympathetic tone, and Herzog’s uber-German narration, it just makes me laugh.

      I havent seen it in several years, I’m sure if I really tried I could appreciate it on a mature level.

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    59. josh 61 josh says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      Cool, I’ll have to check it out.

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    60. 62 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I know it sounds like everyone is saying the Cubs will target pitchers when they trade Dempster and Garza, but I’d rather them just get the best possible players back. They don’t really have any good pitching prospects, and the ones they drafted are miles away. But if they obtain the best assets, they can use them to get pitchers later if need be. I expect that’s the way they will do it.

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    61. mb21 63 mb21 says:

      I thought the same thing in the draft and was disappointed with how frequently they didn’t target best player available but best pitcher available instead.

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    62. 64 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      @ mb21:

      Well in the case of the supplemental and 2nd round, it sounds like they got pitchers who were potential 1st rounders except for minor injuries, so I’m fine with that. But overall they may have been too pitching focused.

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    63. Berselius 65 Berselius says:

      Koyie Hill ——-> FA

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    64. GBTS 66 GBTS says:

      @ Berselius:
      Maybe we DFA’d him so we could renegotiate a higher salary.

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    65. Berselius 67 Berselius says:

      @ GBTS:

      Too bad Belichick didn’t swoop in and take him away from the Cubs

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    66. mb21 68 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi22:
      I’d really like to know who -1′d this awesome comment by WaLi.

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