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  • The Children Are The Future-Cubs Minor League Update Sponsored by Samsung

    Iowa

    Josh Vitters hit his 10th HR of the year and is now slugging .468 on the year. Brett Jackson was 1-4 with a BB and a pair of strikeouts. His K rate as of his last 10 games is a smooth 50 %. 

    Daytona

    Alcantara is officially a prospect in my mind what he is doing in Daytona is a good job for a young middle infielder in the FSL. Last night he went 3-4 with a BB and stole his 20th base of the year. 

    Boise

    Dong Yub Kim was a high priced Korean sign a few years back and he went 2-4 last night after hitting his first HR the other day. Rock Shoulders has drawn 5 walks in 17 AB's which is good, but also struck out 8 times which is not as good. 

    The AZL team kicks off its season tonight so we can get a look at some of the early signs of the 2012 class as well as Vogelbach. 

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    195 Responses to “The Children Are The Future-Cubs Minor League Update Sponsored by Samsung”

    1. 1 Berselius22 says:

      Vitters HR was a bomb, but was overshadowed by the upper deck blast hit by the Express’s 1b a few minutes earlier.

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    2. 2 Berselius22 says:

      Bjax showed some good speed scoring from first on a double early in the game. He looked awful on both strikeouts. He swung and missed on three straight pitches for the first one.

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    3. 3 Berselius22 says:

      No Rizzo HR = shoulda asked for my money back (dying laughing)

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    4. mb21 4 mb21 says:

      Alcantara has definitely become a prospect worth keeping an eye on, but I don’t think he’s as much of a prospect as DJ does. He was terrible last year at Peoria. His strikeout rate has gone down each of his 3 years here, but his walk rate has too.

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    5. mb21 5 mb21 says:

      delete

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    6. josh 6 josh says:

      Per the last thread, there’s definitely an ownership bias among fans. You feel like the things you have are worth more than they are. If you don’t believe it, try to sell something you value for the price you think it’s worth. Personally, I don’t think I’ve ever sold anything in my life that I didn’t feel like I was taking a hit on.

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    7. mb21 7 mb21 says:

      @ josh:
      Cars. How many people go trade their car in and come away saying they got a lot more money than they expected? How many feel like they were ripped off?

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    8. 8 Doogolas says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ josh:
      Cars. How many people go trade their car in and come away saying they got a lot more money than they expected? How many feel like they were ripped off?

      That happened to me once! But I try really, ridiculously and gratuitously hard to undervalue the things I own as to not be depressed later. My car was worth like $1500 and I figured I’d be lucky to get $1000. So it was a pleasant surprise.

      Trading in video games on the other hand…

      Although I will say I would be stunned if Garza is traded without us getting a lot. I just think Garza is weirdly overvalued by everyone because he has shiny looking stuff and the results just don’t seem all that important. I mean he’d never had great results when we traded for him, his ZIP projections back then were, I’m pretty sure, worse than they are now, so while I’m sure he had more surplus value than the $0 he theoretically has now, I severely doubt it was 2 top 100 prospects + a couple middling guys. Or, really, even close to that. *shrug*

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    9. mb21 9 mb21 says:

      Doogolas wrote:

      I just think Garza is weirdly overvalued by everyone because he has shiny looking stuff and the results just don’t seem all that important.

      This is the type of argument I like against the trade value posts. From what I’ve seen, it’s players who are overvalued who end up getting more than we expect and Garza just might be one of them. The Cubs gave up way more than they should have though that deal probably looks pretty good right now. Pinetar mentioned last night that he had proven he can pitch in the AL East and that’s another one because it overvalues him.

      I won’t be the least bit surprised if the Cubs get more, but they didn’t come close to getting their asking price before the season and my guess is that they just sign him to an extension. I just don’t think there are that many teams who feel they need a Matt Garza at this point.

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    10. SVB 10 SVB says:

      bubbles is the most unrealistically optimistic Cubs fan I have ever encountered in my life

      (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

      MB–you should meet my mom. She makes Bubbles look like Eeyore and Droopy, rolled into one. In September, after the Hope Monster has sucked up all the lost hope of other Cubs fans and it’s feeling a little dry, it moves to Mom’s house, because she is still denying they are out of it, and the workings of basic math.

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    11. 11 Doogolas says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Doogolas wrote:

      I just think Garza is weirdly overvalued by everyone because he has shiny looking stuff and the results just don’t seem all that important.

      This is the type of argument I like against the trade value posts. From what I’ve seen, it’s players who are overvalued who end up getting more than we expect and Garza just might be one of them. The Cubs gave up way more than they should have though that deal probably looks pretty good right now. Pinetar mentioned last night that he had proven he can pitch in the AL East and that’s another one because it overvalues him.

      I won’t be the least bit surprised if the Cubs get more, but they didn’t come close to getting their asking price before the season and my guess is that they just sign him to an extension. I just don’t think there are that many teams who feel they need a Matt Garza at this point.

      Possibly, but there are so many weird things with last offseason. I mean with the whole new CBA and everything were there any really big trades that went down? I feel like it’s perfectly reasonable that a lot of teams didn’t want to make any big moves with all the changes like the extra wild card spot and everything. I certainly can’t say for sure. I honestly have no real idea, but yeah, Garza just seems like one of those guys teams like more than they have any real reason to. I really want him to be traded but obviously only if something nice comes back, because the minors are more interesting to follow than this God awful major league team we have. At least until Rizzo is called up.

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    12. SVB 12 SVB says:

      @ mb21:
      I had a 15-yr-old Chrysler 5th Ave hand-me-down that I hated. HATED. Someone (who needed a lot of space to fit in the front seat) offered me $2500, and I took it without looking back. Not sure if anyone won that deal, but I think I did, because I didn’t have to drive that damn car anymore.

      Probably the buyer overpaid because of his girth, so maybe that supports Doogolas’ “Garza pitches well in the AL East” point.

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    13. mb21 13 mb21 says:

      @ SVB:
      That’s a bit different. Bubbles thinks EVERY prospect is going to work out and already has his everyday lineup ready for 2013 with guys like Baez, Vogelbach, and next year’s top pick. Seriously. The Cubs top pick next June will be in the Cubs lineup on opening day. They all work and they’re all awesome. I’ve never seen anything like it. I’m not the least bit surprised he would think something is stupid that doesn’t reflect his opinion of how awesome the Cubbies are.

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    14. pinetar 14 pinetar says:

      @ mb21:

      I think a big reason they didn’t get what they were asking for before the season started, was because they were asking for the entire solar system hoping someone would be stupid and desperate enough to give it to them. They really had nothing to lose going about it that way either.

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    15. Rice Cube 15 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:

      Couldn’t resist a Doctor Who reference.

      Carry on.

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    16. Berselius 16 Berselius says:

      Anyone else think that Castro’s defense has looked a lot better in the past few weeks? Whatever the Cubs coaches are doing, it seems to be working.

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    17. josh 17 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      For sure. He’s been much improved, from what I’ve seen.

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    18. josh 18 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      Although that circus catch was 99% luck.

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    19. Rice Cube 19 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      My lying eyes tell me he doesn’t suck as much. He’ll make the occasional bobble, but that happens to all shortstops on bad hops and hot shots.

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    20. dylanj 20 dylanj says:

      the fans are anxious though. They need they 21 year old to play great d, hit for more power and walk like Barry Bonds. NOW!

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    21. Berselius 21 Berselius says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      No SS is going to be perfect, but I can’t remember him airmailing throws into the stands lately like he was frequently doing early in the season.

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    22. bubblesdachimp 22 bubblesdachimp says:

      Bubbles is optimistic. And we will get surplus value for both Dmpster and Garza if traded (just watch)

      Also what is wrong with getting excited for our exciting hitters in minors?

      Rizzo, Baez, Almora, Jackson. Soler are kids to be excited about

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    23. Rice Cube 23 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      His throws seem more deliberate and confident. I’ve noticed that he takes a fraction of a second to collect himself before he fires the ball, rather than just letting it go right after he gets it out of his glove. They probably told him that he has the arm strength to allow for some extra time to set up the throw.

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    24. josh 24 josh says:

      @ SVB:
      Maybe I’m biased because I’m a Cubs fan, but it seems to me that Cubs fans really are the best at creating unrealistic expectations and clinging to unwarranted hope.

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    25. josh 25 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I agree. He seemed much more eager to whip the ball right away last year. And the times he did take his time, he seemed to overthink it. He’s doesn’t seem to be doing either one. Maybe he uses that second to sing a little ditty in his mind or something.

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    26. mb21 26 mb21 says:

      @ Doogolas:
      Gio Gonzalez and Mat Latos were both traded. Huge surplus value there. Maybe the biggest trades in the last two or three years.

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    27. Berselius 27 Berselius says:

      josh wrote:

      @ SVB:
      Maybe I’m biased because I’m a Cubs fan, but it seems to me that Cubs fans really are the best at creating unrealistic expectations and clinging to unwarranted hope.

      There’s always Dayton Moore. I can’t wait until he signs Melky Cabrera to a $90 million deal this offseason (dying laughing)

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    28. Rice Cube 28 Rice Cube says:

      NL shortstops suck. There’s a pretty good chance Castro sneaks in to the ASG with Tulo still hurt.

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    29. josh 29 josh says:

      What was Maddon mad about? Basically that he felt everyone puts pine tar on their gloves and Peralta got singled out? Or that everyone cheats in general and Peralta is going to suffer more than is fair?

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    30. WaLi 30 WaLi says:


      Bubbles is the one with the beer, obviously.

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    31. mb21 31 mb21 says:

      @ bubblesdachimp:
      If I find two similarly talented players on other teams I can guarantee you that you’d not say that. That’s the problem with being as optimistic as you are. It doesn’t allow you to be rational about this.

      Now you’re saying cubs get more for dempster than he’s worth even though he’s on the DL for the 2nd time this year. We’re not even halfway through the season yet. He’s an injury risk at this point making a lot of money and has only this season left.

      Mostly though you see everything through your Cubs colored glasses. There’s nothing wrong with that but it doesn’t allow you to be unbiased. There’s nothing wrong with being excted about prospects either. Just as long as you understand every team has a future lineup of all stars.

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    32. josh 33 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Ugh. There are lots of things that can cause those kinds of weird symptoms, and none of them are pleasant.

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    33. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

      @ josh:

      I don’t get all the media attention this story has received. Though my favorite was this tweet by Passan

      *cough* steroids *cough*

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    34. josh 35 josh says:

      @ WaLi:
      What’s funny there is that’s the strip where the joke was that beer gut guy had decided to start following the Rangers.

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    35. SVB 36 SVB says:

      @ mb21:
      If my mom followed prospects, I’d begin wondering if Bubbles=Mom. Because the way you describe Bubbles is exactly how Mom thinks.

      Maybe they should get together….but I bet Bubbles is too young for Mom…and he’d have to leave the country he currently lives in to move to the USA and Michigan.

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    36. WaLi 37 WaLi says:

      @ SVB:
      SVB Mom = Bubble’s Main Bitch?

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    37. mb21 38 mb21 says:

      @ SVB:
      Maybe your mom wants to move to a new country.

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    38. Rice Cube 39 Rice Cube says:

      @ WaLi:
      I think it’d be the other way around.

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    39. josh 40 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      Yeah, I don’t get it either. I really don’t care if dude had some pine tar in his glove. I guess Maddon’s point was just that: let’s not make a big damn deal out of this.

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    40. mb21 41 mb21 says:

      SANCTITY OF THE GAME

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    41. SVB 42 SVB says:

      @ mb21:
      Mom would never move to South Carolina.

      @ Rice Cube:
      I think so too.

      Bubbles would have to put up with some control issues. Mom never has been able to harness her curve ball.

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    42. Rice Cube 43 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      I think he was mad because Davey Johnson used insider info to hoodwink him.

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    43. Berselius 44 Berselius says:

      I (dying laughing)’ed at the tab abbreviation

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    44. josh 45 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Oh okay, so in other words everyone has pinetar in their gloves and Davey called it out on Peralta so that Peralta would be disqualified. That is kind of a dick move.

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    45. 46 Edwin says:

      Sometimes I wonder if it would make more sense for the Cubs to sign Garza to an extention. The Cubs will need pitching over the next couple seasons and they won’t be getting help anytime soon from their farm system. If extending Garza is a cheaper and better use of resources than bidding on Free Agents during the winter, I say extend away. I don’t feel like waiting for a core of homegrown pitchers.

      For that matter, I’d rather the Cubs rebuild through free agency than wait for the farm system. No reason they can’t spend on Free Agents and build through the draft at the same time.

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    46. josh 47 josh says:

      My parents are total fairweather fans.

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    47. Berselius 48 Berselius says:

      @ Edwin:

      That’s the long term plan, Edwin, but they have no assets at all right now. No reason for the Cubs to spend a ton of money right now to build an expensive 78 win team.

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    48. 49 Edwin says:

      @ Berselius:

      No more having to switch back from tab to tab. Sounds good to me.

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    49. josh 50 josh says:

      @ Edwin:
      I agree on both counts. Might as well extend him, unless the trade really is a surplus one as some have hoped.

      I think they will get back into the free agent market, but after a couple of years of stockpiling prospects. Just the way I sense this team is going to approach it. Theo didn’t shy away from free agents he liked in Boston.

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    50. Rice Cube 52 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      I liked B’s idea of keeping him until the end of his club control and then offering him the $12.5MM to go elsewhere and pocket the pick.

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    51. Berselius 53 Berselius says:

      I didn’t get a chance to look closely at the Garza piece yesterday. How does Garza have no trade value before the draft picks? He’s still in his arb years so the Cubs should expect some discount on his value. Or do super 2 guys get 100% of their value in the last year?

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    52. Berselius 54 Berselius says:

      I like holding on to Dempster for the draft picks, but I’d be much more amenable to trading Garza. Those picks have no value to a team trading for Dempster but I like the added value they net for Garza.

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    53. josh 56 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      I think I’ll be happy either way with Garza. If he nets a good return, happy. If they extend him, happy.

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    54. Berselius 57 Berselius says:

      The Cardinals have the best run differential in the NL and have a .500 record (dying laughing)

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    55. 58 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Hey, look! It only took 4 years for the fucking Chicago media to realize that if you’re booing Soriano, you’re a feckless twat:
      http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/19/hoge-soriano-much-classier-than-the-fans-who-boo-him/

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0620-haugh-chicago–20120620,0,1962528.column

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    56. 59 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Sandusky has suddenly decided not to testify. This coincides with this morning’s removal of a juror with no PSU ties (who had called in “sick” for a second time), and replaced her with a 2007 PSU grad. The speaker at the 2007 PSU Commencement? Jerry Sandusky.

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    57. Berselius 60 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      The comments on that first article are hilarious (dying laughing)

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    58. Berselius 61 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      Who the fuck gives a shit about who was their commencement speaker? I’ve been through three college graduation ceremonies and would struggle to remember who spoke at any of them.

      I think the decision to not have him testify has much more to do with his rambling 5 minute answer to Bob Costas than anything else.

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    59. Berselius 62 Berselius says:

      Brad took a look at Adolfo’s trade prospects

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    60. 63 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

      It’s just that the timing is curious. A large feature of Amendola’s opening statement was that Sandusky was taking the stand. He’s mentioned it at other points. Now a change in the jury where a PSU grad is brought in for a juror with no ties to PSU, and suddenly this major plank in defense is no longer an important piece. Sure the speaker thing is arbitrary. But it doesn’t make this morning’s events any less suspicious.

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    61. 64 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

      I thought that was OV’s bit?

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    62. Berselius 65 Berselius says:

      @ Berselius:

      this time, with link

      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/alfonso-soriano-value/

      summary is that it basically takes a look at Soriano’s platoon splits and looks at teams who have been shitty vs lhp

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    63. Berselius 66 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      I think it was just a bluff from the defense attorney. I think Sandusky is guilty as fuck but the need to find a conspiracy under every blade of grass in the yard of everyone that’s ever driven past State College is driving me nuts.

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    64. mb21 67 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      He’s set to make about $5+ million the rest of the way this year and the average of his PECOTA, Oliver and ZiPS forecasts for the rest of the season is 1.2 WAR over 116 innings. Over 200 innings that about 2.1 WAR and he’ll make about $12 million next year (made $9+ this year). So he’s owed about $17 million and will provide about $17 million in value. So not even taking age into account he’s projected for 3.3 WAR the through next season. Assuming some team offers him the mandatory contract, which may or may not be a good idea depending on how he pitches next year, at most he’s worth $5 million in a trade.

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    65. Berselius 68 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      I’m just confused by the lack of arb savings. It sounds like what’s happening is that Garza’s estimated talent level has dropped since the last arb settlement, but that should also drop his value for the next one so maybe $12m is wrong.

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    66. Mish 69 Mish says:

      Berselius wrote:

      The comments on that first article are hilarious (dying laughing)

      I couldn’t see the comments on article 1, but I checked them for Haugh’s article, and was quickly reminded why I don’t read comments sections at 99.9999999999% of sites.

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    67. dylanj 70 dylanj says:

      he didnt testify because it took him 5 minutes to think about whether or not he wants to fuck boys. On TV. They didn’t want him anywhere near that state PA.

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    68. 71 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Brad can’t be serious about the White Sox putting Viciedo in CF, can he? (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    69. josh 72 josh says:

      @ Mish:
      Yep. I’m kind of glad no one comments on my comics. I’d probably just shut the comments sections downs if the did.

      This is really the only site I ever look at comments outside of specialized forums.

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    70. mb21 73 mb21 says:

      I’d have to question Sandusky’s intelligence even more than I already do if he were to take the stand. My guess is he’s found not guilty.

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    71. josh 74 josh says:

      Someone on Reddit made this comment on one of my comics: “Just remember, we were bad when we last almost made the series!”

      When would that have been? 2008? No we were good then. 2007? 2003, maybe? What about Prior and Wood? That’s flabbergasting.

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    72. dylanj 75 dylanj says:

      i would be surprised if he is found innocent. I really would

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    73. Berselius 76 Berselius says:

      As much as the water was muddied with the McQueary stuff, there were 8 victims personally testifying. He might not get charged for those specific counts but I’d be shocked if he gets cleared on everything.

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    74. dylanj 77 dylanj says:

      plus if they do let him walk somebody will probably plug the fucker on their own.

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    75. Berselius 78 Berselius says:

      @ josh:

      I figure the commenter meant 2003. That team wasn’t exactly a world beater. But you need luck as much as you need skill.

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    76. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      I’ll be shocked if a Pennsylvania jury convicts, despite the mountain of evidence. I mean, they have love letters from him to little boys and teenagers. They have an eyewitness. And I don’t think it’s going to matter, and not because they love Sandusky, but vindicating Sandusky also vindicates Paterno, and that’s what this is really all about.

      But with Sandusky already being delivered a letter of intent from the feds, he’s going to jail one way or another.

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    77. Berselius 80 Berselius says:

      dylanj wrote:

      plus if they do let him walk the feds will have another shot at him

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    78. mb21 81 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      Arbitration is more about escalation in salary than it is matching salary to value. If we’re trying to figure out how much someone like Castro will earn in arbitration over the next 4 years we use value, but once he has an arbitration hearing we’re much better off estimating it after that. Garza went from league minimum to $3.3 to $6 to $9.5. If he’s terrible the second half of the season he’s still going to get $10-11 million in arbitration next year. If he’s absolutely dominating it would probably be $13 million. There’s not much wiggle room here. Somewhere between $11 and $13 million is where Garza will be paid next season irregardless of his performance the rest of this season.

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    79. mb21 83 mb21 says:

      By the way, I just wanted to use irregardless. (dying laughing)

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    80. Mish 84 Mish says:

      mb21 wrote:

      By the way, I just wanted to use irregardless. (dying laughing)


      ^^ Convo I had last Friday.

      /cool story

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    81. mb21 85 mb21 says:

      @ dylanj:
      He won’t be found innocent. That’s not a court’s job. The only reason Sandusky goes to trial is because they’re coming up with reasonable doubt and I bet they find it. I hope they don’t, but I won’t be the least bit surprised. Guilty man walks free. Not news.

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    82. mb21 87 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Glad to see it, but I’m not reading the articles. Not after every writer in Chicago attacked him for years. All of a sudden it’s different? Or are they trying to kiss Theo’s ass. Fuck them all.

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    83. josh 88 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      They did slip into the post season, but Wood and Prior and Sosa. I don’t know if I’d call it a bad team, certainly not on the scale that this team is bad.

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    84. Rice Cube 89 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I think they are trying to kiss Theo’s ass so Nick Cafardo stops getting all the breaks.

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    85. Berselius 90 Berselius says:

      @ josh:

      I definitely wouldn’t call it a bad team either. But I also wouldn’t call it the best team in baseball, or one of the best.

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    86. mb21 91 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      By the end of the season they were actually pretty good. At the beginning of the season nobody in their right mind thought they’d be playing in October. The Cubs added Ramirez to fill the black hole at 3rd base and Lofton to fill in for the injured Patterson. Zambrano had solidified himself in the rotation and marginalized Estes. By October they were a good team. Definitely not the best, but pretty good.

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    87. dylanj 92 dylanj says:

      Eric Patterson got released. He put up decent numbers in the minors for us but it never really translated.

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    88. Berselius 93 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      I forgot what good production they got out of Grudzialanek that year

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    89. 94 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      It’s clearly kissing up to Theo. The whole undercurrent of this is “Soriano represents the past” so that’s why fans are so tired of him. Which doesn’t seem to address why this wholly unfair treatment of this one player pre-existed Theo and continues unabated and unaltered in form and fashion to the current day.

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    90. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      Yeah, that deal with the Pirates turned that season around. That’s Hendry’s finest work, to my mind.

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    91. mb21 96 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think they were 51-55 at the time they made that trade. That’s one of his better trades. That and the Grudz/Karros deal. He had some nice free agent contracts. He was able to sign his own players to friendly contracts almost every single time. The players liked him and had respect for him. I imagine that had something to do with it.

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    92. 97 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Dan Wetzel says Sandusky was being prepped for testimony last night.

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    93. 98 Mercurial Outfielder says:

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    94. dylanj 99 dylanj says:

      2008 was Hendry’s masterwork. The Harden deal, Edmonds, DeRosa, Dempster. Some really inspired moves. Still can’t believe that season ended how it did

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    95. 100 Nate says:

      http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/06/20/cubs-sign-undrafted-pitcher-matt-iannazzo/

      Cubs sign an undrafted dude. After reading that, I realized that I think that;s what Boras was trying to do with Appel- get him to scare everyone off so that no one drafted him, essentially making him a FA who is not subject to spending limits. Am I misunderstanding the rules? Boras was attempting to get no one to draft him because teams lose the allocated money in this year’s budget, right?

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    96. dylanj 101 dylanj says:

      i doubt it would be that easy nate.

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    97. mb21 102 mb21 says:

      @ Nate:
      Not sure what the rules are regarding signing undrafted free agents, but I bet it’s mentioned in the CBA.

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    98. josh 103 josh says:

      So is there a legitimate reason to have pine tar in your glove, or it’s just rampant cheating?

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    99. GW 104 GW says:

      @ Nate:

      pretty much everybody gets drafted, though. even high schoolers who make it clear they are going to college. the udfa are always bottom of the barrel.

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    100. 105 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      I can’t imagine a single legit reason for a pitcher, especially an AL pitcher, to have it on his glove. At least a position player or a pitcher that hits could make the excuse that it’s just transfer from bat to batting glove to hand to mitt. Still a bit improbable, but possible. Not so for an AL pitcher.

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    101. Berselius 106 Berselius says:

      @ GW:

      More accurately, they are the dirt on the underside of the barrel

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    102. mb21 107 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      Yeah and this guy’s strikeout rate in college is pretty damn bad. And he’s 22 already. My guess is he’ll immediately be moved to relief and he’s always going to be old for his level. Even if Appel had gone undrafted in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd, someone would have taken him eventually. Maybe the 4th or 10th or 40th. Someone would have taken him.

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    103. Berselius 108 Berselius says:

      @ josh:

      More like wink and a nudge cheating

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    104. mb21 109 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I love the batting practice glove excuse. BP bats and gloves must be really different than the shit they use during the games. Makes you wonder why they would use them. (dying laughing)

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    105. 110 Brett says:

      @ Nate:

      Undrafted free agents are subject to the same spending limitations as guys taken in rounds 11 through 40 – you’re fine up to $100k, but over that, it counts against your bonus pool.

      As for UDFA’s not being worth anything, keep in mind, there are 10 fewer rounds now, and the spending limitations very well could cause some kids to slide right out of the Draft. I could see a few UDFA’s becoming relevant a few years from now.

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    106. 111 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      And why would he need to throw a doctored ball in batting practice? (dying laughing)

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    107. josh 112 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Right, that makes sense. I’m trying to wrap my head around this. Seems like dude got caught doing something legitimately against the rules and was prohibited from pitching. That seems fair to me. Joe Maddon got really weird and mad about it and said Davey Johnson was basically an asshole. So did Davey violate an unwritten rule? Is that the issue?

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    108. GW 113 GW says:

      @ Brett:

      they would have to chop it to ~20 rounds for udfa to even be interesting, imo. baseball reference has a cool feature where you can choose a draft position and sort every player taken at that spot by war. spoiler: it gets bleak very quickly.

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    109. 114 Brett says:

      @ GW:

      I know. And I’m not saying every UDFA matters. I’m saying only that a handful are going to be relevant (i.e., becoming a legitimate prospect at some point down the road – not an overwhelming hurdle).

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    110. josh 115 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      Right, but you can’t complain if somehow the ump catches you, can you? I mean, it means you did it in a way that was visible, doesn’t it? What were the umps supposed to do?

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    111. WaLi 117 WaLi says:

      josh wrote:

      Joe Maddon got really weird and mad about it and said Davey Johnson was basically an asshole.

      Actually, he called Davey Johnson a “pussy” (dying laughing)

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    112. josh 118 josh says:

      It just seems like Joe is mad that he got caught.

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    113. 119 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      That certainly seems to be the gist of it.

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    114. josh 120 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      So I guess I do understand.
      (dying laughing)

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    115. 121 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I think he’s pissed that Johnson himself notified the ump, because Peralta used to pitch for Johnson. So Johnson knew Peralta cheated, and benefitted from said cheating, and when it was to his benefit to expose the cheating that Johnson himself once helped to conceal, he exposed it.

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    116. josh 122 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      AAAH! Actually, that does make sense. That’s the missing piece, for me.

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    117. Rice Cube 124 Rice Cube says:

      The latest OBB makes me smile. Partly because a lot of Cubs fans are up in arms over Castro not being the second coming of Robin Yount.

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    118. josh 125 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      There may be an unspoken dimension too where it was a Nationals coach specifically who told him to start doing that.

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    119. mb21 126 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      Based on my own interest in the draft they’d have to chop it down to about 5 rounds. I lose interest after that because it ain’t pretty. Looking over the 2001-2006 drafts in the 6th round there’s only a handful of players who became relevant (Ryan Howard, Matt Kemp and a few others).

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    120. mb21 127 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’d have done the same thing. You can cheat for me if you don’t get caught, but you never cheat against me. I completely understand that one. It’s about winning. Not about taking care of someone you once helped cheat. (dying laughing) Maddon is an idiot on this one.

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    121. mb21 128 mb21 says:

      Of those players who became relevant I’m guessing at least half of them dropped in the draft for one reason or another.

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    122. josh 129 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Yeah, and I’m not saying he can’t be rationally criticized, but I can’t believe the comments I see around of people who have, like, ‘given up’ on him or quit liking him for whatever reason. He’s a good player. Maybe someday he’s one of the best, but he’s good and likely will be good for a while.

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    123. josh 130 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      It would have been a good series to have someone tell Peralta to stay clean. That just seems like common sense.

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    124. josh 131 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      On the other hand, It’s not like Peralta is an ace out there. Isn’t he just a relief pitcher? It’s not exactly like a game-changing action.

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    125. josh 132 josh says:

      D’Backs announcers on the free game are trying to drum up interest in the Cubs series by talking about how many fans the Cubs bring and how they “always play well” on the road (lie). Then they compared Castro to Ichiro (in that they don’t take walks, i.e., exciting).

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    126. 133 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Wetzel is on The Score saying that he thinks Sandusky’s attorneys may have seen the media perception of Sandusky’s creepiness, and just got no reassurances while grooming him last night that he could have turned off the creepy in front of the jury.

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    127. uncle dave 134 uncle dave says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Wetzel is on The Score saying that he thinks Sandusky’s attorneys may have seen the media perception of Sandusky’s creepiness, and just got no reassurances while grooming him last night that he could have turned off the creepy in front of the jury.

      Not surprising, seeing as how the guy’s a bona fide creep.

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    128. 135 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ uncle dave:
      A true monster.

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    129. 137 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Caller into The Score just asserted that Soriano has turned “homers into doubles” by not hustling.

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    130. frysredjacket 138 frysredjacket says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      That- It’s-Who could-
      I give up.
      Fuck Cub fans.
      Present company excluded.

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    131. Mish 139 Mish says:

      frysredjacket wrote:

      Fuck Cub fans.
      Present company excluded.

      That’s basically where I’ve been for the last 4 years. (dying laughing)

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    132. josh 140 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think he may be misunderstanding how homeruns work. Though Ryan Roberts for the D’Backs just hit an inside-the-park homer. Maybe they meant that Sori should have at least 5 ITPers by now. That’s rational, right?

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    133. 141 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      AAAAAUUUUUUUGGGHHHHHHHH KILL IT WITH FIRE:

      http://www.businessinsider.com/photo-new-tampa-bay-rays-uniform-2012-6

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    134. Rizzo the Rat 142 ACT says:

      I miss the Devil Rays (i.e., the name, uniforms, logo, etc. Not the team).

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    135. mb21 143 mb21 says:

      The Score: Where people think turning home runs into doubles makes any sense

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    136. 144 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I think we’ve found a cure for Starlin’s power outage: he just needs to hustle some of these doubles into homers.

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    137. WenningtonsGorillaCock 145 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      mb21 wrote:

      The Score: Where people think turning home runs into doubles makes any sense

      I once heard a caller unironically proclaim that the only reason the Bears lost to the Packers was because Green Bay scored more points. And whomever was the host agreed wholeheartedly. That was the last time I ever listened to the Score.

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    138. 146 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      NCAAFB —————-> 4 team, seeded playoffs

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    139. 147 Mobile Rice says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      It’s a start.

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    140. 148 Berselius22 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m guessing this starts in 2035? (dying laughing)

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    141. 149 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius22:
      (dying laughing), seems like the ADs and BCS Commisioners want to fast track it, to be honest. Now it has to pass the university presidents…which is no guarantee.

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    142. Mish 150 Mish says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      At least this is logically defensible. (dying laughing)

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    143. 152 Doogolas says:

      :( No Vitters tonight. This blows. Why does DeWitt need to play, or Lalli need to DH? Arg.

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    144. mb21 153 mb21 says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      That’s awesome.

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    145. 154 Doogolas says:

      I don’t know if anyone else is watching, but Archer is fucking nasty.

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    146. 155 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Chris Archer not looking too bad for TB

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    147. 156 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      @ Doogolas:
      I am (dying laughing)

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    148. 157 Berselius22 says:

      @ Doogolas:
      Give him a break, all he’s had today is a handful of gummy bears and a bottle of scotch

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    149. GW 158 GW says:

      gbts’s boyfriend leaves with shoulder inflammation. chalk up another casualty for the pads’ staff.

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    150. GBTS 159 GBTS says:

      Strasburg is a beast.

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    151. 160 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      GW wrote:

      gbts’s boyfriend leaves with shoulder inflammation. chalk about another casualty for the pads’ staff.

      GBTS wrote:

      Strasburg is a beast.

      Seems GBTS has already moved on. Ex-arm to the next arm.

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    152. Rice Cube 161 Rice Cube says:

      Randy Wells has a FIP problem.

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    153. GBTS 162 GBTS says:

      I broke up with Bass for James McDonald a while ago.

      Strasburg is my Kate Upton.

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    154. 163 Berselius22 says:

      This is my fault for talking up Castro’s D this morning (dying laughing)

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    155. Rice Cube 164 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius22:
      That was sort of a tough play though and I doubt he could’ve gotten an out had he been able to field it cleanly.

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    156. 165 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      GBTS wrote:

      I broke up with Bass for James McDonald a while ago.

      Strasburg is my main bitch.

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    157. 166 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Randy Wells has a pitching problem.

      fixed

      /old acb meme

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    158. 167 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Cue the booing of Castro.

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    159. Rice Cube 168 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Castro was way deep in the hole and Barney was out of position due to the shift. De Aza is fast as hell. There was no way he was getting an out on that play so if fans boo Castro they should be excommunicated.

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    160. josh 169 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      If they excommunicated fans for acting stupid, there wouldn’t be many fans left.

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    161. 170 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Well, not even Campana would have beat out the liner that Soriano hit, but they booed him viciously for two days. I guess I’m getting a sense that Cub fans are about to turn on this team, a lá 2006 and 2009.

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    162. Rice Cube 171 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:

      LARBUDDY LARBUDDY

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    163. mb21 172 mb21 says:

      If DeJesus and Castro weren’t so fucking lazy this game would be 3-2. When is this team going to stop turning home runs into doubles and triples?

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    164. 173 Berselius22 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I missed the first few innings, but apparently he had some shaky throws.

      Enough of this, time for Futurama.

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    165. Rizzo the Rat 174 ACT says:

      @ mb21:
      Castro has more triples than homers. If that isn’t laziness, what is?

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    166. 175 Berselius22 says:

      Man, it would have been awesome if Kenny Williams went through with making Konerko a player-manager

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    167. SVB 176 SVB says:

      Well, look, you guys, we already won the series, what more do you want?

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    168. Rice Cube 177 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius22:
      He had a high throw to LaHair at first and a ball in the dirt to Barney, but they made it into the gloves so all was well.

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    169. josh 178 josh says:

      @ SVB:
      WORLD. SERIES.

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    170. mb21 179 mb21 says:

      Man, I really thought the Cubs were turning their season around with their last two games. I was starting to think about playing in October.

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    171. josh 180 josh says:

      Yay for flying bats.

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    172. josh 181 josh says:

      Pierzinsky just walked off the field with only 2 outs.

      HE’S THE WORST BASEBALL PLAYER IN EXISTENCE!!!!!!

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    173. SVB 182 SVB says:

      I see the Cubs are preparing for the building demand among contenders to acquire our players by auditioning our entire bullpen tonight, starting in the 1st inning.

      MB, shouldn’t you do a trade value analysis of Marmol? He’s had like 3 saves in a row now, right?

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    174. SVB 183 SVB says:

      @ josh:
      If they fly, they do better at avoiding white nose syndrome, right?

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    175. josh 184 josh says:

      @ SVB:
      Only if they puncture Tyler Colvin’s lung.

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    176. josh 185 josh says:

      They need sweet blood, you see….

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    177. SVB 186 SVB says:

      @ josh:
      I bet Mish can give us a thesis about their entire blood-sucking physiology….

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    178. SVB 187 SVB says:

      i find it ironic that of 186 comments…the only one with enough thumbs up to get the green light…is the one on grammar…on a blog

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    179. 188 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I wonder if the Chicago media will make huge, 3-day long scandal and demand the benching of AJ Pierzynski…I won’t hold my fucking breath.

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    180. josh 189 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m going to guess…… no.

      If it’s any consolation, everyone already hates AJ anyway.

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    181. 190 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      Well, other baseball players hate him. Most of the media here seem to like him.

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    182. Rice Cube 191 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Maybe because the media is made up of assholes?

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    183. SVB 192 SVB says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Just like Hawk. They belong together.

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    184. Mish 194 Mish says:

      I see some of our old ACB/OV memes are leaking into the LoLCat world:

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