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  • The Children Are The Future-Cubs Minor League Update Sponsored by Sadie’s Dog Bar & Grill

    Iowa

    Yesterday marked the end of my Brett Jackson bandwagon phase. Its entirely possible he pans out but I don't see star anymore with the way he strikes out. He has made no improvement this year in that regard in fact getting worse while his walk rate declines. On the positive side Brooks Raley struck out 7 in 7 and Rizzo stayed healthy. 

    Daytona

    Alcantara went 2-4 and Matt Szcrurururu has yet to return from the DL. Noted jay walker PJ Francescon struck out 5 batters in 6 innings of work while allowing a pair of runs only one of which was earned. 

    Boise

    Shawon Dunston went 2-4 and Jeimer Candelario continues to be the most impressive hitter so far in low A hitting a 2 run shot and raising his average to .292. Candelario showed a great eye last year in the DSL walking more than he struck out and AZ Phil reported he has some pop in his bat so he will be a guy to watch.

    AZL

    Vogelbach didn't even start the rookie league game. Fuck the heck man. 2011 UFDA David Henrie struck out 5 in 3 scoreless innings though so there's that. 

    dylanj
    DylanJ was born in a secret military base on Baekdu Mountain. His coming was foretold by a rare double rainbow and marked the sight of a new star in the sky. After defeating Jaime Lannister in battle at the age of 15 in the 77th Hunger Games he became an internet expert at staring at minor league box scores. His thoughts on said box scores can been seen Mon-Fri at Obstructed View.
    dylanj

    125 Responses to “The Children Are The Future-Cubs Minor League Update Sponsored by Sadie’s Dog Bar & Grill”

    1. 1 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I’m thinking Vogelbach is not gonna make the cut.

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    2. mb21 2 mb21 says:

      The strikeouts remain a huge issue for Jackson, but he’s still been above average (110 wRC+). He’s going to have an ugly looking batting average at the MLB level so if fans like that kind of thing they’re going to hate him. He probably won’t be as low as Dunn or Pena, but won’t be much higher either.

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    3. mb21 3 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      It’s shocking that a massively out of shape high school student wouldn’t adapt well to pro ball. Still a good sign. Why not, but with his weight at that time I figured he had little chance of amounting to much. Just WAY TOO BIG for that age. It’s one thing to be that size at 24, but quite another while still in high school.

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    4. WaLi 4 WaLi says:

      Of course I’d trade anyone if the value is right, but this is who I’d like to keep around for next year.

      C – Soto (Don’t think the market is too good for him)
      1B – Rizzo
      2B – Barney (Don’t think the market would justify his value)
      SS – Castro
      LF – LaHair (Cost controlled, hit or miss player. Need someone to play the position)
      CF – Jackson
      SP – Garza (Don’t think trade value is there and we really don’t have another top of rotation starter)
      SP – Wood

      Don’t really have any more decent players after that (dying laughing). I guess with the rest of the team we can play the kids. Or sign some FA’s that may work in our long term plans or that we could trade for value.

      When does Rizzo get called up? July 1st?

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    5. 5 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      Yeah, it doesn’t look good for him.

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    6. 6 Edwin says:

      Thanks for the nod on the prior thread. It’s always refreshing to read both the posts and comments on this site. Well done. Well done indeed.

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    7. 7 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ WaLi:

      I don’t think Rizzo will be up before the trading deadline, and realistically, probably not until after August 1.

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    8. josh 8 josh says:

      @ WaLi:
      I’m in the same boat WaLi. The upside guys didn’t really pan out this year, just hold the core and better luck next year building some trade value for the DeJesuses and Stewarts.

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    9. 9 Doogolas says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      @ WaLi:

      I don’t think Rizzo will be up before the trading deadline, and realistically, probably not until after August 1.

      isn’t it all but a foregone conclusion he’s coming up Monday?

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    10. Aisle424 11 Aisle424 says:

      I was really rooting for Vogelbach. There is something about a fat man that can crush baseballs that I would find entertaining. I can’t put my finger on it, but somehow Prince Fielder is more entertaining to me than Josh Hamilton. Maybe it’s because you look at Hamilton and figure he must be pretty damn good at baseball so it isn’t surprising when he puts one in the upper decks. But then there is that fat fuck who waddles up to the plate and sends the ball flying 500 feet and you’re like, “DAMN!”

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    11. mb21 12 mb21 says:

      bubblesdachimp wrote:

      I am too lazy to research my position and not smart enough in math.

      There’s a ton of research already done, but that’s not the issue I had. It’s that you stated emphatically something was stupid because you disagreed with it. The value is the value. There’s really very little to disagree with with regards to the surplus value. There’s also little to argue about with regards to how much certain ranked prospects are worth. The question is whether or not it represents actual trades. Based on the limited number of examples I have run it does work. It’s not perfect, but it works fairly well.

      It will likely breakdown at some point. Several years ago teams gave up a shitload to acquire LOOGYs. That’s not true anymore. It’s possible the method works best with players who have only half a season left rather than multiple seasons. I don’t really know. It’s also entirely possible that GMs simply overvalue or undervalue certain players or positions. I don’t know. I can’t know what one GM is willing to do, but I do know what 29 other GMs should be willing to do.

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    12. mb21 13 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Yeah, it definitely has to do with how easy someone like Hamilton makes it look. When Fielder swings the bat I’m pretty sure there’s a gust of wind across Detroit.

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    13. 14 Chet Masterson says:

      Regarding Vogelbach -

      On thecubreporter, AZ Phil said this

      “Dan Vogelbach was in uniform but he was the only position player who did not participate in pre-game warm-ups, so he must have tweaked something.”

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    14. 15 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Doogolas:
      Apparently all but, because I haven’t heard anything of the sort.

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    15. 16 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nice write-up on how fans need to act when Rizzo does get the callup: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/13313139-419/anthony-rizzos-already-being-hypecast.html

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    16. josh 17 josh says:

      @ Chet Masterson:
      That would be the one thing with the bigger guys, is that they seem more apt to injury, but that could be my own bias, being overweight myself.

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    17. 18 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Doogolas:
      From what I’ve found, this Monday callup many are anticipating is the result of LaHair playing OF vs. the White Sox.

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    18. josh 19 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      Fielder is fun because he really does go all or nothing on the swing and he has that Little League look in his eye when he gets one. You can tell that was the funnest thing he’s ever done EVERY SINGLE TIME. Hamilton’s swing is smooth and easy and he is very professional.

      I’m trying to think of other examples. Sammy looked like he’d be good at baseball, and made hitting homeruns look fun. John Kruk I don’t remember too well, but he was a big guy who could hit the ball pretty far. He seemed to be having fun. I don’t think he was even all that fat when he came up, more like stout with a chubby face.

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    19. Berselius 20 Berselius says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Nice write-up on how fans need to act when Rizzo does get the callup: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/13313139-419/anthony-rizzos-already-being-hypecast.html

      Do not presume to tell me how to be a fan

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    20. josh 21 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I personally plan to jump on his back and scream at him to hit a homerun if I run into him in public.

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    21. 22 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Randall Simon is the paradigmatic Fat Guy Who Is Fun To Watch.

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    22. 23 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:
      Don’t presume to tell me what no to tell you to do.

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    23. 24 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      And scream WHHOOOOOOOO COLLEGE! CUBBIIIIEEEEZZZZ!!!!!

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    24. Rice Cube 25 Rice Cube says:

      Muskat snark:

      Q: Being that third base is our weakest offensive position, is it crazy to think LaHair or Anthony Rizzo could make that conversion? — Brian T., State College, PA

      A: Yes, it’s crazy to think that.

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    25. josh 26 josh says:

      Today in stupid headlines, from MLB.com: “Prospects pack rosters for Futures Game”

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    26. JonKneeV 27 jtsunami says:

      I’d guess you’d have little to no knowledge about either Rizzo or LaHair if you thought there was even a remote possibility either could play 3B.

      Fuck it, let’s try SS while we are at it too.

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    27. Mish 28 Mish says:

      jtsunami wrote:

      Fuck it, let’s try the bullpen while we are at it too.

      /test’d

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    28. 29 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:

      Players to Play Game; Result to Follow

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    29. Rice Cube 30 Rice Cube says:

      The rosters are actually pretty loaded, especially the US squad:

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/21/futures-game-to-feature-loaded-u-s-team/

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    30. GW 31 GW says:

      OK Bubs, don’t say I never did anything for you.

      I pulled some numbers from the leaderboards for qualified starters from this year and last year and determined their k-bb%. (I straight-averaged 2011 and 2012 numbers which has the desirable effect of weighting 2012 more heavily, since 2012 is not yet halfway through). I pulled out most of the guys I could find who are TJ’ed or otherwise injured. Not a perfect list, but gives you a pretty good feel for the best arms in the game right now.

      Name K-BB%
      1. Greinke 21.4
      2. Lee 21.1
      3. Kershaw 19.3
      4. Verlander 19.2
      5. Hamels 18.7
      6. Sabathia 17.4
      7. Scherzer 17.3
      8. Halladay 17.1
      9. Cain 16.7
      10. Gio 16.4
      11. Anibal 16.4
      12. Bumgarner 16.2
      13. Colbyashi 16.2
      14. Haren 16.0
      15. Beckett 16.0
      16. Kennedy 15.9
      17. Garza 15.9
      18. Felix 15.7
      19. Morrow 15.7
      20. Dickey 15.5
      21. Peavy 15.4
      22. Shields 15.3
      23. Gallardo 15.2
      24. Price 15.2
      25. Weaver 15.2
      26. Norris 14.9
      27. Hanson 14.2
      28. Capuano 14.2
      29. Latos 14.1
      30. Niese 14.1
      31. Worley 14.1
      32. Gavin Floyd 14.0
      33. Bartolo Colon 13.7
      34. Marcum 13.6
      35. Bedard 13.6
      36. Kuroda 13.4
      37. Lincecum 13.4
      38. Dempster 13.0

      I bring this up to point out that Garza could very well be the best pitcher on the market this year. Hamels is obviously better, but the Phils are in limbo trying to convince themselves that they are still competitive, similar to the Cubs a few years ago. I haven’t heard anything regarding Felix being on the market lately, and he’s obviously the face of that franchise. Other than that, we have a whole lot of young guys or staples for contenders. I would be shocked if the Cubs move Garza without getting a nice piece in return.

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    31. SVB 32 SVB says:

      Someone is copying your Al Yellon meme over here.

      Apparently Sen. Scott Brown said he has secret meeting every day with important people, like kings and queens…

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    32. 34 Berselius22 says:

      According to AZ Phil, Ben Wells ——-> TJS

      Sorry dj

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    33. josh 35 josh says:

      @ GW:
      That answers the supply question, potentially. There’s still a demand question, and a question of historical willingness to overpay. The Indians need pitching, but will they be stupid in their need? Maybe, but I don’t think it’s a sure bet.

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    34. 36 Mercurial Outfielder says:

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    35. GW 37 GW says:

      @ josh:

      i think it’s a safe bet that demand will be up with the extra wild card spots. also, the intersection of supply and demand is price, by definition. the models we use are just historical estimates of that intersection as a function of talent level.

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    36. dylanj 38 dylanj says:

      saw that B. That sucks he was doing some good work in Peoria.

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    37. SVB 39 SVB says:

      Some info on signings from the last draft here. In case you haven’t seen it.

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    38. Rice Cube 40 Rice Cube says:

      @ SVB:
      I didn’t know you could just sign a guy for $1000. That’s either a typo or the kid basically had no alternatives.

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    39. SVB 41 SVB says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I thought it was $10,000, but I don’t really know.

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    40. SVB 42 SVB says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      No alternatives. 5th year college senior from UC Riverside.

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    41. josh 43 josh says:

      @ GW:
      I’m not getting my hopes up.

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    42. dylanj 44 dylanj says:

      we haven’t had a good post about posting around here in awhile

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    43. josh 45 josh says:

      @ dylanj:
      Maybe if you used proper capitalization and punctuation to request it, you’d get your wish fulfilled.

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    44. Rice Cube 46 Rice Cube says:

      @ SVB:
      I guess that $1000 is legit then. Plus if he was in the 22nd round, they didn’t have as much pressure to sign him as the guys in the top 10 rounds

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    45. BubbaBiscuit 47 BubbaBiscuit says:

      Well shit, there goes my book. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-more-radical-pitching-staff-proposal/ My idea was a 13 man pitching staff, 4 groups of 3 pitchers, Right/Left/Right, each being tasked 3 innings of the game with the 13th pitcher a closer type for high leverage situations or extra innings as well as the 3 pitchers from 2 games ago available for an inning or so each in extra inning situations. For example, group A pitched Thursday, Group B pitched Friday, Group C is in an extra inning game today (Saturday); We cannot use pitchers from Group B, tired from yesterday, or Group D, resting for tomorrow’s game, but pitchers from Group A should be doing some throwing before resting tomorrow and allowed to pitch some in extra innings after Group C and the 13th man have been utilized.

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    46. Mish 48 Mish says:

      Rosenthal via MLBTR:

      The Mariners asked the Cubs about Starlin Castro and asked the Royals about Billy Butler in recent weeks, Rosenthal reports. They also talked to other clubs about potential trades for hitters, but none of the discussions progressed.
      Virtually every team contacted the Cubs following a report indicating that Castro was available. However, the Cubs haven’t actually put Castro on the trading block.

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    47. bubblesdachimp 49 bubblesdachimp says:

      GW you are awesome

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    48. bubblesdachimp 50 bubblesdachimp says:

      “The Mariners asked the Cubs about Starlin Castro and asked the Royals about Billy Butler in recent weeks, Rosenthal reports. They also talked to other clubs about potential trades for hitters, but none of the discussions progressed.”

      Taijuan Walker and Nick Franklin and you have a deal

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    49. 51 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:

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    50. BubbaBiscuit 52 BubbaBiscuit says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      This removes the dependence on “Aces” for pitching as pitchers are more prone to injury and tying up resources in such a risky commodity as an “Ace” needs to be reconsidered by the majority of teams. I really feel Sean Marshall and Tom Gorzelanny would have been great fits as the middle lefties in this idea. This would be more likely for an AL team to pull off and get more out of their 25 man roster.

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    51. josh 53 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      Dude, yeah, I had a similar idea. The biggest problem is egos and payscales. Pitchers want to be starters b/c they make shit tons more money.

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    52. josh 54 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      That’s exactly what I thought too. Dude, we should buy a team and try it out.

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    53. BubbaBiscuit 55 BubbaBiscuit says:

      @ josh:
      I have like $3k, so consider me in if you can come up with the rest. I was a former co-owner of the Cubs at one point. I did own some shares of the Tribune Company, so I totally have an in with Bud and the gang.

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    54. josh 56 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      I have a popsicle stick with some sticky still on it. And a backseat full of cheerios. Maybe we can crush them up and sell them as drugs.

      Parenthood! It’s like regular life, only with less money.

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    55. mb21 57 mb21 says:

      GW wrote:

      I bring this up to point out that Garza could very well be the best pitcher on the market this year.

      Look at the difference in projections between Garza at 17th and Dempster and 38th. There’s very little difference in terms of projections. Unless some team wants to pay a premium just so they can say they might have gotten the best available starter, why wouldn’t you scroll down the list and take the cheapest available option? I’d much rather say I took the cheapest option among the type of players we’re talking about than saying I took the best AND I paid a premium doing so.

      I’m also not convinced that there is going to be more trading this year. I’ve read articles that suggest otherwise and it’s reasonable to think that. The playoffs haven’t really expanded. That’s the first thing to understand. The actual playoffs remain the same. The difference is that one additional team gets to play in game 163 for the chance to go to the playoffs. In reality, the playoffs are the exact same, but MLB added a game 163 each year in both leagues.

      Most GMs I’ve heard talk about deciding to buy at the deadline have one thing in common: above .500. I think we could also throw in within 5 games of the playoffs. Those are the points at which GMs are buyers. There’s not going to be any additional teams over .500, but maybe a couple teams now within 5 games,

      Baseball Prospectus wrote in one of their books that the playoffs were worth about an average of $15 million in additional profit. Obviously if you play 7 in a World Series it’s more and it’s less if you play only 3 in the LDS. If you consider the playoffs the start of game 163 then the average profit declines some.

      The other thing is that if we expect more marginal improvements at the deadline for those at or around .500 then we should expect fewer by teams expecting 90 wins or more because they’re guaranteed in now. Those happen to be the teams that usually spend money.

      I don’t know what the “additional” teams in the playoffs will do for the trading deadline. I won’t be surprised if there are a couple more smaller trades, but I also won’t be surprised if the large market contenders refuse to get involved now that they’re guaranteed a postseason appearance.

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    56. josh 58 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      Yeah, the point about not taking the highest guy on the list occurred to me too. If the Cubs’ asking price is too high for Garza, they’ll be just as happy going to the next name. That goes back to the point that as a GM you are giving up guys you have invested lots of time and money in. I just think that GMs are more careful to make sure they don’t get screwed in trades, especially mid-season trades, where emotions can run high. The best news for the Cubs might be the situation like we see developing in Atlanta, where they’ve had key injuries. Even still, I don’t see teams being stupid when it comes to making the trade.

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    57. josh 59 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      Is that all true? Because that’s pretty cool if so. The coolest thing I’ve ever partially owned was my 2010 Honda Civic.

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    58. Rice Cube 60 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      Yeah, I can’t see something like this being implemented. The Book had the 1-2-3 + 4/5 plan where three starters go as normal and the 4/5 guys relieve each other in between. I think that’s a lot more realistic given how many pitchers can actually last 7+ IP and how many are mediocre at best.

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    59. 61 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Sandusky’s adopted son was a victim, too: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/attorney_for_jerry_sanduskys_a.html

      Hell cannot devise a punishment horrible enough for this fucking piece of subhuman filth. I wouldn’t piss on this child-raping piece of shit if he were burning to death in my front room.

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    60. Berselius 62 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      Said adopted son is now saying that he was also a victim

      http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/21/report-matt-sandusky-says-he-was-a-victim-of-his-fathers-abuse/

      would have been nice if he said this sooner

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    61. 63 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      R.A. Dickey names his bats after Tolkien and Beowulf swords, and his pitches after GoT characters: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/30/r-a-dickeys-well-named-arsenal/

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    62. uncle dave 64 uncle dave says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Is that Gary Busey? He woulda made Citizen Kane that much better.

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    63. 65 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

      The vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported. Even moreso when the victim is a child, and the offender a parent/authority figure.

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    64. mb21 66 mb21 says:

      @ josh:
      Especially when you consider the difference between Garza and the next name available isn’t all that much.

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    65. BubbaBiscuit 67 BubbaBiscuit says:

      @ josh:

      I did own TRB stock back when they owned the Cubs.

      @ Rice Cube:

      I can see a team like the Rockies, A’s, Mariners, or Royals going down this path. Mid & Lower market teams that are having trouble keeping starting pitchers or even developing them can look to try to turn a combination of 12 5th starter types into an acceptable pitching staff combining the benefits of not having to save stuff for 6 or more innings, first time through the lineup favors the pitcher, R/L/R decreases platoon advantage opportunities for the opposition, not having to throw sub-par 3rd or 4th pitches as often, and diverting the risk of pitcher injury to a greater pool of players not relied on as heavily as normal starting pitchers and thus more likely to be easier to replace during a season.

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    66. mb21 68 mb21 says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      The Cubs have 12 5th starter candidates.

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    67. uncle dave 69 uncle dave says:

      @ Berselius:
      I doubt you meant it that way, but I’d have a hard time faulting the guy for coming forward. The distress of getting involved in a criminal investigation involving child sex abuse is typically bad enough, and I can’t imagine what it must be like to add the complexity of testifying against your own father (adopted or no).

      If Sandusky doesn’t get tossed in jail for the rest of his soon to be short-ass miserable life, I’ll lose whatever little faith in humanity I still have at this point in my life.

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    68. josh 70 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      NEEEEERRRRRD!

      *totally jealous*

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    69. mb21 71 mb21 says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      I like the idea you have, BB, but this would have to start at the lowest levels of baseball. I think it would be rather difficult to convince Felix or Weaver that they should throw only 3 innings in a start. One advantage this would have is that pitcher salaries would be reduced significantly. That’s obviously an advantage to the owners and not the players.

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    70. BubbaBiscuit 72 BubbaBiscuit says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      The Cubs have 12 5th starter candidates.

      Yes, but they keep trying to shove them into the traditional starter roles and we see how well that is working. (Well the plan is to get the highest pick next year, so technically the plan IS working.)

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    71. 73 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:

      (dying laughing) exactly!

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    72. dylanj 74 dylanj says:

      minor league watch will be in mourning for Ben Wells for the rest of the year

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    73. josh 75 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      The injury angle was what I saw, too. From what I’ve read, one of the biggest contributing factors in elbow damage is simply number of pitches thrown. Maybe that statistic will get refined as more data comes in, but to me there are added advantages. If you happen to have a Roy Halladay type on your team who is consistently good deep into games, maybe you make an adjustment. Plus the R/L/R (maybe one L/RL combo?) would make it more difficult for managers to load their lineups.

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    74. 76 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Wetzel is tweeting that it appears the jury will be sequestered, due to the Matt Sweeney revelations. Prosecutors have been summoned to court, and one of the defense attorneys is already there.

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    75. BubbaBiscuit 77 BubbaBiscuit says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      I like the idea you have, BB, but this would have to start at the lowest levels of baseball. I think it would be rather difficult to convince Felix or Weaver that they should throw only 3 innings in a start. One advantage this would have is that pitcher salaries would be reduced significantly. That’s obviously an advantage to the owners and not the players.

      I envision a split, where the wealthy teams can continue as is currently. Most of the Ace pitchers eventually leave to sign amazing contracts that they have worked very hard to get to that point. The teams that cannot afford to play that game should look at other options. I would not try to convert Lee, Halladay, Felix, CC, and those ilk to a 3 inning every 4 games pitcher, you are not maximizing value from them in that way. And about starting at the lowest levels of baseball, I really think high schools and colleges should look into this as I have heard some staggering pitch counts on such young arms that are not surrounded by the same coaches and health professionals that major leaguers and highly touted minor leagues are afforded on a daily basis.

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    76. GW 78 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      sure, that’s why i went all the way down to dempster. peavy and bedard make sense, but when in doubt, assume kenny williams will buy, and bedard’s arm is a twig (ask the bosox how buying him last year went for them). maybe houston sells norris, but I doubt it; tons of club control left there. the dodgers aren’t selling, so capuano is out. colon is injured and enormous. marcum is dealing with shoulder inflammation right now. there’s just not a lot there.

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    77. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:

      How does this trade environment differ significantly from where it was in ST, when the trade market for Garza vanished?

      I mean, ostensibly no one wants to trade a top-shel SP during ST, and the Cubs put one on the block and no one was willing to meet their price. Why would anyone be willing now?

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    78. josh 80 josh says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:
      Yeah, a way to maximize talent for ballclubs who can’t afford Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee.

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    79. josh 81 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Injuries? I think that’s the Cubs best bet at this point.

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    80. BubbaBiscuit 82 BubbaBiscuit says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      @ GW:

      How does this trade environment differ significantly from where it was in ST, when the trade market for Garza vanished?

      Health issues have popped up, no one can say they have Roy Oswalt in their back pocket as backup plan A anymore, and teams now better know if they have a shot at the playoffs or not.

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    81. GW 83 GW says:

      yeah, i love the idea bb. i was hoping the cubs would try something like that back in jan/feb when they were stockpiling crappy pitchers, and posturing about garza and dempster trades. and it only makes sense if all your pitchers are bad. also, i don’t think you would even necessarily have to break it up R/L/R for each group.

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    82. GW 84 GW says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      maybe it’s just me, but it seems like there have been tons of pitcher injuries this year.

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    83. 85 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ BubbaBiscuit:

      But that’s mitigated by the reluctance of teams to deal any top-line SP early on. The Cubs put Garza on the block in a similarly thin market, and no one met their price. I fail to see why anyone would do so now, just to add 1-2 wins.

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    84. josh 86 josh says:

      I like Garza, I just don’t think he’s the kind of pitcher a team breaks the bank to get. I think the discussions for him will be very rational. He’s no once-in-a-lifetime catch, don’t think.

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    85. 87 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:
      So because pitchers are getting hurt often, teams will deal the farm for a pitcher, who, ostensibly, is at risk of injury?

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    86. 88 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      That, too. He’s got fancy stuff, but the eye-popping numbers aren’t there. He’s a solidly above-average pitcher, but he’s not great. I think their best shot is about what MB arrived at in the value post: a B-level hitting prospect.

      The Cubs one hope is that the Braves get really desperate and do something foolish.

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    87. 89 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Joel Peralta —————-> 8-game vacation

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    88. 90 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      GW wrote:

      it only makes sense if all your pitchers are bad

      The Cubs should have been on the strategy in the 90′s, then. (dying laughing)

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    89. Berselius 91 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      @ uncle dave:

      I don’t fault the guy for not coming forward. I was too glib in my comment. My point was more that you’d think it would have been easier for him to come forward during the investigation and trial, not the day after they close arguments on the case. Though from what MO linked earlier it sounds like he was prosecutions ace up the sleeve.

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    90. bubblesdachimp 92 bubblesdachimp says:

      If Sandusky were to be acquitted is it possible new charges could come stemming from the son?

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    91. BubbaBiscuit 93 BubbaBiscuit says:

      @ bubblesdachimp:
      Anyway to classify him as a terrorist and get a drone to take him out?

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    92. 94 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

      Well, he didn’t come forward until after the prosecution witness, so I think he was being prepped as a rebuttal witness, if Sandusky were to take the stand.

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    93. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ bubblesdachimp:

      I believe so. This is a completely new crime, so I don’t see how double jeopardy attaches.

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    94. GW 96 GW says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      yes. with a pitching prospect at greater risk of an injury (dying laughing)

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    95. Aisle424 97 Aisle424 says:

      David Ortiz says Boston is going back to being a *bleep*-hole.

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    96. Aisle424 98 Aisle424 says:

      So I guess we can expect that Ortiz AND Youk are probably on the trading block now.

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    97. 99 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:
      (dying laughing)

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    98. 100 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Larry Lucchino is really working wonders out there.

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    99. mb21 101 mb21 says:

      Theo Epstein is a good GM. I’ll say that first so it stands out. He’s also very good at jumping out of a ship he helped sink and letting others deal with it.

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    100. 102 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Part of genius is knowing when to get out. (dying laughing)

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    101. mb21 103 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Especially when others take the blame. It is genius. I hope he writes a book years down the road saying that was his plan all along. To win somewhere and then get the fuck out before shit gets ugly. it’s beautiful. The Red Sos were a mess and still are. They’ve gotten older and they don’t have the farm system they once did. Trading for Gonzalez was ridiculously stupid. The same is true for signing Lackey, Crawford and giving $100 million away to sign Daisuke. Theo is an example of how any team that spends money is going to make stupid decisions with it. He’s a bright man and a very good GM, but he’s made the same dumbass mistakes Hendry has made. It’s going to be interesting to see how effective he is in Chicago.

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    102. 104 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Especially within the confines of the new CBA, which was basically the owners cabal Theo-and-Friedman-Proofing the league.

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    103. mb21 105 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Yep. The advantage the Cubs are basically left with at this point is the same one they had before he arrived: money. I’d guess they spend some of it efficiently and some of it not. I don’t expect the same results from him because one of the things he’s excelled at was taken away from him. That sucks for Cubs fans so we’re left with rebuilding the farm system by fighting for the top pick in the draft.

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    104. 106 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      Well, they’ve also got a GM whose willing to utilize and even develop advanced metrics, as opposed to Hendry’s outmoded approach.

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    105. GBTS 107 GBTS says:

      David Ortiz is awesome. His existence alone validates the DH.

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    106. Aisle424 108 Aisle424 says:

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    107. Rice Cube 109 Rice Cube says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Need a Theo signal…

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    108. mb21 110 mb21 says:

      “Ben and I have been working together for — we were running the streets at 3 in the morning in Boston. That was for [Kevin] Millwood,” Boras said. “We were meeting in one of the hotels here, going back and forth. Theo [Epstein] was home sleeping. He made Ben do all the work. He and Jed [Hoyer], we’ve actually worked together a great deal. He was doing a lot of things for Theo and communicating with me a lot.” – Linky

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    109. josh 111 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      I just think he was burned out on Boston. Maybe he’d been pressured into some of those deals or something. I don’t know. Or he just had quit caring. Hard to say. I think the challenge of Chicago will reinvigorate him.

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    110. 112 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I wouldn’t trust one fucking word from Boras’ mouth. That guy is a slimy twat.

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    111. Aisle424 113 Aisle424 says:

      Hayden Simpson sighting in Boise tonight.

      3 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 1 BB, 6 K

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    112. 114 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Was this a simulated game? (dying laughing)

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    113. Rice Cube 115 Rice Cube says:

      I realize this may not be a popular result, but Miami won the NBA title.

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    114. Smokestack Lightning 116 Smokestack Lightning says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      I realize this may not be a popular result, but Miami won the NBA title.

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    115. Rizzo the Rat 117 ACT says:

      Billy Hamilton now has 80 steals in 66 games/303 PA.

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    116. SVB 118 SVB says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Wow. If you click through to the next link from the Pennlive article, there is a very long article about Matt Sandusky’s history with Jerry Sandusky.

      At what point do Penn State fans turn on Sandusky for putting their team/school through all this? For all the verbiage on how the Sandusky trial won’t be fair because there will be so many homers that refuse to believe, I have to wonder about “hell hath no fury like a die-hard fan scorned.” (But this is the most I’ve thought/read about the whole issue in 6 mo, so maybe the backlash from scorned/embarrassed fans has already begun.)

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    117. SVB 119 SVB says:

      While Josh and BB dream about 12 Volstads on their team, I’d thought I’d post this snippet from CBS for some perspective.

      [Dave] Stieb’s back-to-back one-hitters came in his final two starts of the 1988 season, so Dickey’s attempt at a third straight is the first (in one season) since Sam McDowell in 1966. McDowell gave up two hits in the first inning in his attempt at three in a row; he pitched 12 innings that night and gave up one run on seven hits.

      Back when pitchers were men. (dying laughing)

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    118. Berselius 120 Berselius says:

      @ SVB

      I think there are plenty of PSU fans who think Sandusky is a creep, SVB

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    119. mb21 122 mb21 says:

      KG on the MIdwest League All-Star Game

      Cubs left-hander Kyler Burke was a story for becoming the first player to make the league’s All-Star game as both a position player and a pitcher. The former toolsy outfielder has a 2.31 ERA as a left-handed starter for Low-A Peoria, but he was hammered on Tuesday, and retired just two of the eight batters he faced while never getting out of the upper-80s with his fastball. As a 24-year-old in Low-A, he’s already a long shot, and there wasn’t much in this game to provide any room for optimism.

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17433

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    120. mb21 123 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      that’s ridiculous.

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    121. dylanj 124 dylanj says:

      newest shit up

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    122. mb21 125 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Do people still hate LeBron and Miami over The Decision? I haven’t paid attention and I didn’t understand why people hated him because of that anyway. I just assumed people were over it. If I had any interest in watching the NBA I’d tune in to see LeBron play.

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