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  • Minor League Update 4-7-12

    I'm really liking that the minor league season has begun at the same time as the MLB season this year. It's usually a week after MLB starts.

    Iowa Cubs

    Josh Vitters was 1-3 again. He also walked again. I'm not holding my breath, but if Vitters could learn to become more patient he'd suddenly have quite a bit of value. It doesn't look like he's ever going to be the hitter that you'd expect from the best high school bat in his draft. There are questions about whether he can stick at 3rd base too. Still, it's always nice to see someone working on a huge weakness like Vitters' plate discipline. Anthony Rizzo added another 2 hits in 4 plate appearances. Brett Jackson was 1-3 with a triple and a walk. Casey Coleman threw 5 innings, allowed 5 hits, 2 of which were home runs. He allowed 4 runs, walked no one and struckout 5.

    Tennessee Smokies

    The Smokies only had 5 hits last night and one of them left the yard. It was the ony run scored during the game for either team. RF, Michael Burgess was 2-4 with that home run. Logan Watkins was also 2-4 and he struckout the other 2 times. Matt Cerda added the team's other hit and walk. The good news for Trey McNutt is that he allowed 2 hits in the 3.2 innings he pitched (no runs of course). Also good news is that he did strike 3 out. The bad news is that he walked 3, threw 3 wild pitches and reached 80 pitches before the 4th inning ended. Jeffry Antigua, Alberto Cabrera and Frank Batista finished the rest of the game allowing just 4 hits, a walk and strikout 5.

    Daytona Cubs

    Only 3 different Cubs had hits for Daytona. They had 7 of them on the night and managed to score 6 runs. DH Rubi Silva was 3-4 with 2 doubles and Arismendy Alcantara also added 3 hits in 3 at-bats. Alcantara walked, hit a home run and drove in 4 of those 6 runs. Not bad from the lineup's number 9 hitter. LF John Andreoli had the team's other hit as he went 1-1 with 3 walks. Erik Jokisch allowed 4 hits and 2 runs in 6 innings of work. He walked a batter and struckout 5. Matt Szczur was 0-3 with a walk.

    Peoria Chiefs

    The Chiefs had only 6 hits, which means the offense for the minor leagues was rather poor last night. They had only 26 hits in their 4 games. Zeke DeVoss and Rafael Lopez were each 1-3 with a walk. Paul Hoilman, Reggie Golden and Taiwan Easterling were each 1-4. Hoilman struckout only once last night. In the 40th round last year the Cubs drafted Patrick Francescon and he got the start for the Chiefs. In 4.2 innings he allowed just 2 hits and a run. He walked none and struckout 9. He did hit 2 batters. He's thrown only 43.1 innings in his young career, but has a ridiculous strikeout and walk ratio. He's struckout 11 batters per 9 and walked 1.7 per 9. That's good for 6.6 strikeouts per walk. It's 43 innings so you know it's a legit sample. Willengton Cruz performed last night's impression of Kerry Wood by pitching .2 innings, allowing 2 hits and 4 runs. He walked 2 and struckout no one.

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    166 Responses to “Minor League Update 4-7-12”

    1. 1 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Fuck Ubaldo Jimenez. I hope that fucker loses that game.

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    2. mb21 2 mb21 says:

      Garza is some kind of terrible at fielding baseballs.

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    3. Rice Cube 3 Rice Cube says:

      No more no-hitter for Ubaldo.

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    4. Rice Cube 4 Rice Cube says:

      Good defensive positioning on that one.

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    5. bubblesdachimp 5 bubblesdachimp says:

      Soriano is fun to watch

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    6. mb21 6 mb21 says:

      @ bubblesdachimp:
      Sometimes.

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    7. GBTS 7 GBTS says:

      bubblesdachimp wrote:

      I love Easter Kate
      http://vimeo.com/39890323

      This should have been a Forum shot.

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    8. bubblesdachimp 8 bubblesdachimp says:

      @ GBTS:
      Kate

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    9. Rice Cube 9 Rice Cube says:

      Aggressive baserunning seems to be working today.

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    10. bubblesdachimp 10 bubblesdachimp says:

      Kate

      Hopefully this works

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    11. Rice Cube 11 Rice Cube says:

      Dolis in.

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    12. bubblesdachimp 12 bubblesdachimp says:

      Doling looked good. I had that 95 mph two seamer being absurdly hard to hit

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    13. Rice Cube 13 Rice Cube says:

      Whoops.

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    14. Rice Cube 14 Rice Cube says:

      Wood-Marmol combined BS today?

      I feel like I’ve seen this before.

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    15. Suburban kid 15 Suburban kid says:

      Maybe Wood should have faced more than seven batters during ST.

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    16. 16 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Ugh.

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    17. mb21 17 mb21 says:

      This is the best part of the Cubs bullpen too.

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    18. mb21 18 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      Is that all he faced?

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    19. Rice Cube 19 Rice Cube says:

      (dying laughing)

      Ah, who saw that coming…

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    20. mb21 20 mb21 says:

      mb21 wrote:

      This is the best part of the Cubs bullpen too.

      Seriously!

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    21. dylanj 21 dylanj says:

      well some things never ever change

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    22. Rizzo the Rat 22 ACT says:

      Why didn’t they bring in Lopez?

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    23. Mish 23 Mish says:

      (dying laughing)

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    24. dylanj 24 dylanj says:

      its been a pretty shit start for closers this year.

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    25. Suburban kid 25 Suburban kid says:

      Welcome to Chicago, Daley, Theoey and Jeddy.

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    26. Rizzo the Rat 26 ACT says:

      Marm was throwing hard, according to the radar gun, hitting 95 a couple of times.

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    27. 27 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Let It Happen To You

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    28. Rizzo the Rat 28 ACT says:

      Oy.

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    29. josh 29 josh says:

      Our bullpen sucks? That was unexpected. In other news, I think this is 2008.

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    30. mb21 30 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      I don’t know. You bring up an ace reliever like that and it’s a shame not to use him in such high leverage situations.

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    31. Suburban kid 31 Suburban kid says:

      @ mb21:
      We’ll never know, since the media isn’t in a position to confirm how many weeks he took off during the Cactus League.

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    32. Rizzo the Rat 32 ACT says:

      The only way Demp or Garza will win a game this year is if they go all 9.

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    33. GBTS 33 GBTS says:

      At least we extended Marmol when his value was at his unsustainably highest. (dying laughing)

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    34. 34 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      WTF

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    35. josh 35 josh says:

      Judging by the crowd noise, I think we have a pretty good idea of how much the fans are going to tolerate this season.

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    36. Rizzo the Rat 36 ACT says:

      @ GBTS:
      That was so much smarter than trading him.

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    37. GBTS 37 GBTS says:

      Garza —> No win —> Bad outing

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    38. Rizzo the Rat 38 ACT says:

      @ josh:
      At least they’re showing up. For now.

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    39. Suburban kid 39 Suburban kid says:

      @ josh:
      There won’t be any fans in a few weeks. Just us.

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    40. josh 40 josh says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      I’d be inclined to put money on record low attendance this year.

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    41. bubblesdachimp 41 bubblesdachimp says:

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    42. Rizzo the Rat 42 ACT says:

      And to think, this all happened with 2 outs.

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    43. GBTS 43 GBTS says:

      @ josh:
      I am at the game and I can confirm they did boo.

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    44. Mish 44 Mish says:

      I’m not even mad. I’m (dying laughing) my ass off.

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    45. mb21 45 mb21 says:

      Didn’t someone say that tickets for games this weekend were going for like 6 bucks?

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    46. Rice Cube 46 Rice Cube says:

      That last out is quite elusive.

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    47. mb21 47 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      You’re still there?

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    48. mb21 48 mb21 says:

      When you have a 2 run lead in the 8th and let 11 batters come to the plate, it’s usually not good.

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    49. Rice Cube 49 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I got tix for Monday night for $1 each (dying laughing)

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    50. bubblesdachimp 50 bubblesdachimp says:

      Just unreal ho bad Kerry and Marmol are

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    51. Mish 51 Mish says:

      mb21 wrote:

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    52. mb21 52 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      For $1? That’s a complete waste of money. (dying laughing)

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    53. GBTS 53 GBTS says:

      @ mb21:
      Yeah they’re letting me throw the ninth.

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    54. GBTS 54 GBTS says:

      @ mb21:
      It can change a whole season.

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    55. mb21 55 mb21 says:

      The Cubs have gotten two very good starts from their starters and they’re 0-2.

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    56. mb21 56 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      Not like one pitch can.

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    57. Rice Cube 57 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I mainly did it to try to sneak down and see if I can get A-Ram’s autograph. Since I unfortunately never got the chance when he was a Cub. I might do the same when the Marlins come to town.

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    58. mb21 58 mb21 says:

      Samardzija will probably go 3 innings and allow 7 runs tomorrow with the Cubs winning.

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    59. 59 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Well at least we know the rest of rotation won’t let the that trend continue. (dying laughing)

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    60. Suburban kid 60 Suburban kid says:

      RC did you get them on Stub Hub or Craigs List or what? Al? (dying laughing)

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    61. Mish 61 Mish says:

      @ mb21:
      Because he’s transformed into a winner.

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    62. 62 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Nice AB from DeJesus there.

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    63. Suburban kid 63 Suburban kid says:

      @ mb21:
      He’s a winner

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    64. 64 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      A bunt. Now. Fuck you, Reed, you dunce.

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    65. Mish 65 Mish says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Brought to you by Neifi Perez

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    66. Suburban kid 66 Suburban kid says:

      Hell of an at bat. If you take away the bunt attempt. And the third strike. (dying laughing)

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    67. Rice Cube 67 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      Bulk order via the University. Face value $2, I paid $1. Love student subsidies.

      Also got free tix from a friend for Thursday’s game.

      Always good for my wallet when the Cubs suck.

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    68. 68 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Is there some kind of rule for Cub RPs that they must throw 20 pitches per appearance?

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    69. 69 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Who hits in Camp’s spot? DeWitt?

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    70. Rice Cube 70 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Does it matter?

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    71. Suburban kid 71 Suburban kid says:

      Wood pitched 5 innings in the Cactus League. Marmol threw 8.1.

      I know they throw on the side, but can that really be enough prep?

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    72. Rice Cube 72 Rice Cube says:

      This guy throws 100 mph.

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    73. 73 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Woah. 99 MPH on the fastball for Rodriguez

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    74. Berselius 74 Berselius says:

      At least it looks like Dolis had a good inning

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    75. 75 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rodriguez is throwing straight gas. Ye gods.

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    76. 76 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      This “scout” feature on Gameday is pretty cool.

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    77. 77 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Clown. Shoes. Jeff Baker, sit the fuck down.

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    78. Rizzo the Rat 78 ACT says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I was more impressed by the 94 mph changeup.

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    79. 79 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      He threw Baker 4-seamers at 99, 99, & 100 and then came back with a 85 MPH slider. That’s nasty.

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    80. GBTS 80 GBTS says:

      @ Berselius:
      I can confirm he was not booed.

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    81. Rice Cube 81 Rice Cube says:

      He also had an 85-mph slider that I think he used to strike Castro out.

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    82. 82 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ ACT:

      Yeah, the pitch F/X on him looked pretty filthy.

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    83. 83 Mercurial Outfielder says:

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    84. 84 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Aaron Hill is singlehandedly destroying the Giants.

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    85. Rizzo the Rat 85 ACT says:

      CARLOS MARMOL REALLY IS THE PERFECT CUBS CLOSER. WILD, UNPREDICTABLE, AND PRONE TO FREQUENT FAILURES.— Not Buster Olney (@TrippingOlney) April 7, 2012

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    86. Rizzo the Rat 86 ACT says:

      Carl Pavano’s fastball averaged 85.2 yesterday. Yipe.

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    87. 87 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Sandoval just got a hold of one.

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    88. Rizzo the Rat 88 ACT says:

      Prince just hit his first AL homer.

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    89. Rizzo the Rat 89 ACT says:

      And Albert just got his first AL hit (double).

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    90. GBTS 90 GBTS says:

      @ ACT:
      I’m happy I’m paying MLB from preventing me from watching that game.

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    91. 91 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Man it is almost impossible to find online streams of MLB games.

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    92. 92 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Eric Byrnes is a dreadful color analyst.

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    93. GBTS 93 GBTS says:

      RBI double for Aramis.

      I miss him.

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    94. GBTS 94 GBTS says:

      Fielder goes yard again.

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    95. 95 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Pujols blows through the stop sign, TOOTBLANs, yells at ump. (dying laughing)

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    96. 96 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Theriot stares at a belt-high FB right over the heart of the plate.

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    97. 97 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      “Without Ryan Theriot, there wouldn’t be any rings in St. Louis.”

      Save me, Jeebus.

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    98. 98 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Hosmer homered for the Royals.

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    99. Rizzo the Rat 99 ACT says:

      @ GBTS:
      These days, I miss Sean Marshall even more.

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    100. GBTS 100 GBTS says:

      (dying laughing)

      Thom questioning the Matt Cain deal because he is under .500 for his career.

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    101. 101 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Which is worse: FOX News anchors, FOX NFL announcers, or FOX MLB announcers?

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    102. Berselius 102 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      News, by miles

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    103. Rice Cube 103 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I thought Joe Buck did both NFL and MLB, so if you combine that, that would be the worst.

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    104. 104 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Howdy Doody homers for the fat hairy unwashed.

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    105. 105 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Josh Beckett had a rough day.

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    106. GW 106 GW says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      “Without Ryan Theriot, there wouldn’t be any ringworm in St. Louis.”

      he misspoke

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    107. Rizzo the Rat 107 ACT says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      The Tigers’ plan to score 11 million runs to make up for their crappy defense is working like a dream.

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    108. Rizzo the Rat 108 ACT says:

      …except for the crappy defense part, apparently.

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    109. Rice Cube 109 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      Well, if you score a bajillion runs and only give up a million, you’re bound to win more than you lose. Right?

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    110. mb21 110 mb21 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      “Without Ryan Theriot, there wouldn’t be any rings in St. Louis.”

      Theriot is so good he brought 11 world championships to St. Louis. Without him, they’d have 0.

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    111. Rizzo the Rat 111 ACT says:

      I can’t believe the Sox are doing so poorly even after banning fried chicken, beer and video games from the clubhouse.

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    112. Rice Cube 112 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      I blame Bobby Valentine.

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    113. Rizzo the Rat 113 ACT says:

      Oh, one more thing from today’s game that I have to get off my chest. Garza’s (lame) bunt attempt with runners on first and second with one out should not have happened. Even worse, Brenly referred to it as an “obvious” bunting situation. It’s a terrible bunting situation.

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    114. Rice Cube 114 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      It’s a terrible bunting situation if it was a position player at bat, but I thought “The Book” had the stipulation that if the pitcher was terrible at hitting otherwise, he might as well bunt?

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    115. Rizzo the Rat 115 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Not with 2 runners on and 1 out. Never bunt then.

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    116. Rice Cube 116 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      I will have to re-read that chapter to refresh my knowledge then. I also would have preferred that he swing away because I have an irrational hatred of bunting (dying laughing)

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    117. Rizzo the Rat 117 ACT says:

      It’s moments like that that have convinced me that we need to get rid of have the DH in both leagues.

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    118. Rice Cube 118 Rice Cube says:

      ACT wrote:

      It’s moments like that that have convinced me that we need to get rid of the DH in both leagues.

      So we can see more shitty bunting? MO’s worst nightmare.

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    119. Rizzo the Rat 119 ACT says:

      Oops! I meant “have the DH.” I fixed it now.

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    120. Rice Cube 120 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      I’d be hoping for more pitchers who knew how to hit, but we all know that’s improbable…

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    121. Rizzo the Rat 121 ACT says:

      I don’t know what took me so long to come around on the DH rule. I guess it was allegiance to the league I grew up with and Carlos Zambrano (not a “good” hitter, but a lot of fun to watch).

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    122. Rizzo the Rat 122 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Well…
      null

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    123. Rice Cube 123 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      We have the technology…

      …and just in time for Zombie Jesus Day, too!

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    124. Rice Cube 124 Rice Cube says:

      Jamie Moyer’s “fastball” = 78 mph by Pitchf/x on Gameday.

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    125. Rice Cube 125 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      …and Jordan Schafer still swung and missed.

      (dying laughing) x 2 or 288

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    126. Rizzo the Rat 126 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Maybe he thought he was facing Aroldis Chapman.

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    127. Rice Cube 127 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Shut me right up.

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    128. melissa 128 melissa says:

      Looks like Mish was in Baltimore today.

      Technically, it’s not streaking when you are clothed.

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    129. melissa 129 melissa says:

      DPleted

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    130. GBTS 130 GBTS says:

      Is mlb.tv not working for anyone else?

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    131. Rizzo the Rat 131 ACT says:

      @ GBTS:
      I don’t have a subscription, so I tried the free game (Bal-Min) but it was subject to blackout restrictions.

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    132. Rizzo the Rat 132 ACT says:

      The live look-in works fine.

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    133. Suburban kid 133 Suburban kid says:

      It was working for me earlier during that shitty game by that shit team.

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    134. Mish 134 Mish says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      Let shit happen to you.

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    135. dylanj 135 dylanj says:

      Hayden Simpson did not suck tonight. No word on his velocity though

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    136. dylanj 136 dylanj says:

      fastball only 86. Shucks

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    137. GBTS 137 GBTS says:

      dylanj wrote:

      No word on his velocity though

      That’s because they’re still waiting for his fastball to cross home plate.

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    138. Rizzo the Rat 138 ACT says:

      @ dylanj:
      Yeah, I don’t even want to hear about his performance numbers unless he can somehow get his fastball up to the 90′s again.

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    139. dylanj 139 dylanj says:

      Its really hard to explain how a kid goes 95 to 84-86 without a major injury that should show up on some test.

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    140. Rice Cube 140 Rice Cube says:

      @ dylanj:
      It is possible that the scout’s radar gun was busted before Theo and Jed came on board and upgraded their equipment.

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    141. Rizzo the Rat 141 ACT says:

      I think the high velocity readings that led to his signing were a fluke.

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    142. Rice Cube 142 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      I don’t know if you can still find the scouting video that MLB had to dig up after a few hours of “who the fuck is that” when the Cubs drafted him. But the radar reading graphic looked like it was in 8-bit. Not that that should matter, but I just thought it was amusing.

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    143. dylanj 143 dylanj says:

      with the amount of scouting that goes in it couldnt really be a fluke. Something is wrong with that kid.

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    144. GBTS 144 GBTS says:

      (dying laughing)

      STRASBURG WOO

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    145. GBTS 145 GBTS says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Jamie Moyer’s “fastball” = 78 mph by Pitchf/x on Gameday.

      Nice.

      /Simpson’d

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    146. Rice Cube 146 Rice Cube says:

      I see the Rays are doing well.

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    147. Rice Cube 147 Rice Cube says:

      Wow, Mike Napoli is the #8 hitter today.

      I wish our #8 hitter was Mike Napoli.

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    148. GBTS 148 GBTS says:

      Does anyone know if there’s like a free (no blackout) preview of mlb.tv to start the season? I’m getting the White Sox/Rangers game and I don’t know why.

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    149. GBTS 149 GBTS says:

      Longoria might have just lost a two-run homer because of a dumb ass fan.

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    150. Aisle424 150 Aisle424 says:

      Houston ——-> lost
      Cubs ———> 6th place
      Tomorrow: Samardzija ———> slump stopper? (dying laughing)

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    151. Rice Cube 151 Rice Cube says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Houston ——-> lost

      False

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    152. Rizzo the Rat 152 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      They beat up a 49-year-old. I hope they’re proud of themselves.

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    153. Rizzo the Rat 153 ACT says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Tomorrow: Samardzija ———> slump stopper? (dying laughing)

      At the very least, tomorrow’s game is unlikely to follow the pattern of the previous 2 (i.e., a good performance from the starter ruined by the bullpen).

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    154. Rice Cube 154 Rice Cube says:

      Pittsburgh just won. The Cubs are in sixth place all alone.

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    155. Rizzo the Rat 155 ACT says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I didn’t think they’d have a chance. Lee v. Karstens looked to be the most one-sided pitching match-up so far this year. This just goes to show what a sorry state the Phillies’ offense is in.

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    156. Aisle424 156 Aisle424 says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      (dying laughing)

      By “lost” I meant they won. Duh.

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    157. Rice Cube 157 Rice Cube says:

      @ Aisle424:
      In a way they have lost…they surrendered the inside track to the #1 pick to the Cubs.

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    158. mb21 158 mb21 says:

      @ dylanj:
      IIRC, the 95 mph was his peak fastball. He was more like 90-92 on average. I’ll look around.

      Still a surprise to see him lose that much velocity though.

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    159. mb21 159 mb21 says:

      Southern Arkansas coach Allen Gum found the most successful pitcher in school history literally right next door. Simpson, his next-door neighbor in Magnolia, Ark., has gone 35-2, 2.39 with 323 strikeouts in 271 innings in three seasons with the NCAA Division II Muleriders. Though he’s just 6 feet and 175 pounds, he has a strong lower half and a quick arm that delivers 91-93 mph fastballs that peak at 96. His fastball is fairly straight and he tends to pitch up in the zone, which could lead to difficulty with tougher competition. He has a pair of hard breaking pitches, an 82-83 mph slider and an 78-80 mph curve. He also has a changeup that he uses sparingly, and he commands his entire repertoire well. His velocity decreased a little toward the end of the season, and some scouts are wary of his size and the fact that he’s never ventured far from Magnolia. Nevertheless, his fastball could get him drafted as high as the fourth or fifth round.

      You probably need a subscription to read it, but here’s the scouting report: http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/draft-preview/2010/2610038.html

      They had 91-93 so a little faster than I was remembered, but it did decrease at the end of the season. Who knows?

      I know I’ve never believed the 95 mph stuff.

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    160. WaLi 160 WaLi says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Nevertheless, his fastball could get him drafted as high as the fourth or fifth round or the 1st round if the Cubs are picking.

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    161. Berselius 161 Berselius says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Tomorrow: Samardzija ———> slump stopper? (dying laughing)

      I think the technical term is slumpbuster (dying laughing)

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    162. Berselius 162 Berselius says:

      I still don’t get why Valbuena was one the roster for a single day.

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    163. Rizzo the Rat 163 ACT says:

      @ Berselius:
      His name contains the Spanish word for “good”!

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    164. Rizzo the Rat 164 ACT says:

      Prediction: Samardzija goes 8 strong and drives in all 3 runs, and Lopez gets the save.

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    165. Rizzo the Rat 165 ACT says:

      ^ If that prediction comes true, I’ll look like a genius. If not, people will think I was sarcastic. Win-win.

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