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[quote name=GW]maybe something like a flaherty/carpenter type along with a non bonus-baby lower level guy?[/quote]I thought I read something about nobody on the 40-man would be included. Did I make that up? I think Flaherty is a decent guess. I’d prefer it be Vitters than him.
Hit it to right!
[quote name=mb21]I thought I read something about nobody on the 40-man would be included. Did I make that up? I think Flaherty is a decent guess. I’d prefer it be Vitters than him.[/quote]
yeah, i think that is right.
unfortunately, the 40 man is god-awful
I doubt Carpenter would hold up any deal though. I really liked him when he was a starter, but as a reliever I’m not that impressed.
Vitters or Flaherty? Who would you rather have if you’re Boston?
Vitters is younger and obviously has more potential. Flaherty has a better chance of sticking in the big leagues. I’d rather have Flaherty if I’m Boston.
[quote name=mb21]I doubt Carpenter would hold up any deal though. I really liked him when he was a starter, but as a reliever I’m not that impressed.
Vitters or Flaherty? Who would you rather have if you’re Boston?[/quote]
still vitters is my guess. easier to sell to the fanbase, and much younger
(dying laughing) @ shitty pitching
What a series Freese is having. His WPA last night was the best in any World Series game. Lance Berkman’s last night was 2nd best. Crazy.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/18155/freeses-game-most-clutch-in-series-history
Goooo Rangers.
A rare good bunt by an AL pitcher.
Actually a pretty decent bunt by Matt Harrison there.
What’s eatin’ ya, jerks?
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]What’s eatin’ ya, jerks?[/quote]Shhhh.
Jesus, just finished watching game 6. What a fucking game. Eat shit and die, Holliday.
Well. Now I get to go to bed and then crawl under a rock until I get a chance to watch game 7. (dying laughing)
[quote name=fang2415]Jesus, just finished watching game 6. What a fucking game. Eat shit and die, Holliday.
Well. Now I get to go to bed and then crawl under a rock until I get a chance to watch game 7. (dying laughing)[/quote]
Spoiler alert: the good news is you won’t have to watch Holliday in game 7.
It’s kind of a testament to how good the Rangers are that they’re still favored in Game 7 even though they’re on the road and suffered an epic meltdown last night.
I really, really, really hate to say this, but I can’t see the Rangers winning. Between the gut-punch of last night’s game and Washington’s absolute inability to handle a bullpen, I just don’t see it. And oh how that displeases me.
Is Dexter worth watching this season or is it the same old shit?
Allen Craig > odds
[quote name=Steve Swisher]I really, really, really hate to say this, but I can’t see the Rangers winning. Between the gut-punch of last night’s game and Washington’s absolute inability to handle a bullpen, I just don’t see it. And oh how that displeases me.[/quote]They are a talented team though, I wouldn’t count them out yet, even with the Craig homer.
(dying laughing)
[quote name=josh]They are a talented team though, I wouldn’t count them out yet, even with the Craig homer.[/quote]
I really hope you’re right. But unless they go into rout mode, I just can’t see the Rangers winning.
To me, as long as the Cards don’t run away with it, the teams are evenly matched enough to hold out hope for the Rangers. Although at this point it looks like that’s going to depend on knocking Carpenter out of the game.
[quote name=josh]To me, as long as the Cards don’t run away with it, the teams are evenly matched enough to hold out hope for the Rangers. Although at this point it looks like that’s going to depend on knocking Carpenter out of the game.[/quote]
But if they’re pretty close, then it comes down to managers. And you saw what happens when Washington makes, say, crucial bullpen decisions.
Better hope the bullpen phone is broken then.
[quote name=Steve Swisher]But if they’re pretty close, then it comes down to managers. And you saw what happens when Washington makes, say, crucial bullpen decisions.[/quote]He’s also won a lot of games, perhaps despite himself. He might get lucky.
BUNT
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[quote name=Steve Swisher]But if they’re pretty close, then it comes down to managers. And you saw what happens when Washington makes, say, crucial bullpen decisions.[/quote]
LaRussa has made just as many bad calls in this series.
TLR called that foul pop-out.
Why not let Andrus bat there? He is one of the best on-base guys Wash has. Has he GIDP’d a lot this year?
Man, Rick Sutcliffe hated that bunt.
C’mon MY
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]Man, Rick Sutcliffe hated that bunt.[/quote]Did he tell you that in a dream?
Riotwag
[quote name=josh]Did he tell you that in a dream?[/quote]MLB International broadcast.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]MLB International broadcast.[/quote]Okay. Because I was going to tell you Jim Morrison’s opinion, but how I think it would be awkward.
I’d really like to see an IBB here. That would be really exciting.
[quote name=josh]I’d really like to see an IBB here. That would be really exciting.[/quote]That was almost as good as an IBB.
Random Molina clutch moment coming up. IBBs must be punished.
Sut hates the IBB too.
If this inning blows up, that’ll be it.
Don’t need to be clutch when the guy can’t throw strikes.
That pitch had some mad movement on it.
FAIL
That was a good pitch. That’s too bad
With all the celebratory meth pipes lit tonight, you’ll be able to see the glow from space.
THAT was not a good pitch (dying laughing)
Allen Craig has been ridiculous this series.
[quote name=Steve Swisher]With all the celebratory meth pipes lit tonight, you’ll be able to see the glow from space.[/quote]True enough, but whoever wins, the other town will be lit up in consolatory meth pipes.
Tony lets Carp “hit” to lead off an inning. Takes him out after facing 1 batter. Genius.
Of course, Wash’s IBB is still the official Bonehead Managerial Move of the Game.
[quote name=ACT]Of course, Wash’s IBB is still the official Bonehead Managerial Move of the Game.[/quote]Yep.
[quote name=Mucker]Is Dexter worth watching this season or is it the same old shit?[/quote]I’ve liked it so far. It’s not as good as it once was, but it’s still good. Homeland is better.
[quote name=Steve Swisher]But if they’re pretty close, then it comes down to managers. And you saw what happens when Washington makes, say, crucial bullpen decisions.[/quote]I think all managers make stupid decisions and can’t manage their bullpen. I wouldn’t consider that a point in favor of either team. I also wouldn’t consider it a point in favor of any other team. All managers suck. (dying laughing)
Just from watching Texas this postseason, I suspect that Wash is worse than average (and TLR is perhaps better than average). In any case, I have a whole new respect for Mike Quade.
Not that you asked me but I’ve liked Dexter as well.
MB- I thought Sons has been much better lately also.
At this point the Rangers problem isn’t Ron Washington, it’s their inability to string together some hits.
[quote name=Suburban kid 23]Sut hates the IBB too.[/quote]I think most players do. I also think most fans do. They may not hate them as much as I do. (dying laughing)
Wash puts Andrus toward the top of the order, LaRussa puts Theriot at the top of the order, Q puts Barney and Campana at the top of the order… the only team I noticed that top-loaded their lineups was Boston, and that’s because they had so many awesome hitters.
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Not that you asked me but I’ve liked Dexter as well.
MB- I thought Sons has been much better lately also.[/quote]I didn’t watch season 3, but heard good things about its direction entering this season so I’ve watched. It’s better than the end of season 2. So I agree, it’s improved. I still have some issues though. Jax wants out, but becomes a drug mule? Tara wants out and thinks Jax will, but sits around with all kinds of violence going on around her? Opie’s Dad was killed by Clay making it two loved ones killed by the same man. Opie let the wife thing go. Is he really going to do it this time? Can the show survive without Clay? I don’t see how Opie doesn’t kill Clay and I don’t see how the show continues without Clay. Odd position to put yourself in, but it’s been better.
[quote name=ACT]Wash puts Andrus toward the top of the order, LaRussa puts Theriot at the top of the order, Q puts Barney and Campana at the top of the order… the only team I noticed that top-loaded their lineups was Boston, and that’s because they had so many awesome hitters.[/quote]I agree with what you’ve said. I don’t know that TLR is better than Wash, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s marginally better. I don’t think it really matters though. Most managers hurt their team when it comes to the decisions they make.
[quote name=Steve Swisher]With all the celebratory meth pipes lit tonight, you’ll be able to see the glow from space.[/quote](dying laughing)
[quote name=ACT]Wash puts Andrus toward the top of the order, LaRussa puts Theriot at the top of the order, Q puts Barney and Campana at the top of the order… the only team I noticed that top-loaded their lineups was Boston, and that’s because they had so many awesome hitters.[/quote]Andrus has a .347 OBP. I’d say he seems like an okay #2 hitter.
[quote name=ACT]Of course, Wash’s IBB is still the official Bonehead Managerial Move of the Game.[/quote]That, and not telling Kinsler to be stupid after getting to 1st. How many times does Molina have to erase him from the bases?
[quote name=josh]Andrus has a .347 OBP. I’d say he seems like an okay #2 hitter.[/quote]The best 5 hitters should hit in the top 5. There’s some advantage to placing them in different spots, but if a team puts their best 5 in the top 5 spots I can’t complain. Is Andrus one of the 5 best Rangers hitters? I don’t know, but I doubt it.
[quote name=mb21]I didn’t watch season 3, but heard good things about its direction entering this season so I’ve watched. It’s better than the end of season 2. So I agree, it’s improved. I still have some issues though. Jax wants out, but becomes a drug mule? Tara wants out and thinks Jax will, but sits around with all kinds of violence going on around her? Opie’s Dad was killed by Clay making it two loved ones killed by the same man. Opie let the wife thing go. Is he really going to do it this time? Can the show survive without Clay? I don’t see how Opie doesn’t kill Clay and I don’t see how the show continues without Clay. Odd position to put yourself in, but it’s been better.[/quote]
And don’t forget Clay is trying to commission a hit on Tara. With him causing most of the internal issues it will be interesting to see if/when the club acts. I agree about the show not being able to survive without him.
[quote name=mb21]That, and not telling Kinsler to be stupid after getting to 1st. How many times does Molina have to erase him from the bases?[/quote]He didn’t get him this time did he? Or was there a pickoff that worked that I missed this game?
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]And don’t forget Clay is trying to commission a hit on Tara. With him causing most of the internal issues it will be interesting to see if/when the club acts. I agree about the show not being able to survive without him.[/quote]Good point about Tara. Just gives Jax another reason to want him dead. Wait until he reads those letters. The resentment Clay has faced so far inside the club will be nothing compared to what he’s up against if/when Opie and Jax figure out what’s going on. Clay also promised Opie the leadership role and then said fuck that.
The show just can’t survive without Clay because Jax is next in line and he wants out. I don’t know how you’d explain Tara coming back and Jax isn’t going to just leave his kids.
What we’ve seen this year feels like a final season to me, but they’re doing 3 more of them.
[quote name=mb21]The best 5 hitters should hit in the top 5. There’s some advantage to placing them in different spots, but if a team puts their best 5 in the top 5 spots I can’t complain. Is Andrus one of the 5 best Rangers hitters? I don’t know, but I doubt it.[/quote]I don’t know. He had a pretty good year.
On that Molina hit, I’m signing off for the night.
[quote name=josh]He didn’t get him this time did he? Or was there a pickoff that worked that I missed this game?[/quote]I think Kinsler was caught stealing and has been picked off tonight. He was caught stealing to lead off game 1 too I think.
When you get on base with Molina behind the plate, when are teams going to realize you need to shorten your lead and stop fucking running? It’s just not worth it. Molina is as good as there has ever been behind the plate. Maybe even better. Not when you include offense, but behind the plate, I’ve never seen anyone even close to as good.
Andrus is a weak hitter (.314 career wOBA). Way worse than Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, Beltre, Napoli, or Young.
Hell, he’s even worse than David Murphy.
[quote name=ACT]Andrus is a weak hitter (.314 career wOBA). Way worse than Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, Beltre, Napoli, or Young.[/quote]There was also a righty on the mound so I’d think his true talent wOBA would be closer to .290 or .300 tops.
And I like Andrus.
Andrus is an 8-hitter to me. After his rookie season it looked like he could be more than that, but he’s not. He hasn’t gotten any better and maybe even worse (haven’t looked at the stats to be sure).
Not looking good for Texas. Damn.
It’s nice of Ryan Theriot to suck so hard in the biggest game of his life.
This is what MGL’s sim found to be the best Texas lineup:
Kinsler
Hamilton
Cruz
Napoli
Young
Beltre
Murphy
Andrus
This would win about 1 game per year more than the one Wash uses.
Like we’ve known before, lineups aren’t really an issue. One win is a lot and you should do whatever you can to maximize your wins. Unless a team is batting their pitcher 4th, I’ve stopped caring about lineups.
Another year of Cubs fans never hearing the end of it…
[quote name=Rice Cube]Another year of Cubs fans never hearing the end of it…[/quote]Just don’t listen. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]Just don’t listen. (dying laughing)[/quote]But they’re so loud!
11 in 18 tries, that’s a pretty good percentage.
I never cared who won this, but I am glad to see Berkman win a ring.
/runs away from MO
Ryan Theriot has more rings than the Cubs have had in the last century. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]Like we’ve known before, lineups aren’t really an issue. One win is a lot and you should do whatever you can to maximize your wins. Unless a team is batting their pitcher 4th, I’ve stopped caring about lineups.[/quote]I’d say if a lineup is so bad it costs your team a win a year, that it really is an issue. It’s a pretty big deal as far as managerial decisions go.
[quote name=mb21]Ryan Theriot has more rings than the Cubs have had in the last century. (dying laughing)[/quote]He helped the team by being so bad, they traded for Furcal.
I blame Atlanta.
I blame Marmol.
LaRussa credits coming back from a 1-0 deficit vs. the Cubs as the watershed moment for this team. (dying laughing)
[quote name=melissa]LaRussa credits coming back from a 1-0 deficit vs. the Cubs as the watershed moment for this team. (dying laughing)[/quote]Obligatory Chicago diss!
Oh that’s a fucking sweet car. Nice work, Freese.
[quote name=ACT]I blame Marmol.[/quote]
Seriously if he didn’t walk the earth in that 9th inning this would not be happening.
[quote name=Rodrigo Ramirez]Seriously if he didn’t walk the earth in that 9th inning this would not be happening.[/quote]Cards and Braves would’ve still been tied and playing a one-game do-or-die. Now if the Cubs hadn’t blown the OTHER game (dying laughing)
Yay. Seven games of mediocre baseball and bad managing to see Larussa be rewarded for doing almost everything wrong.
Remind why I should watch this shit again next year?
The only ring I want Berkman to get is ringworm. (dying laughing)
Pujols —-> 5 year/$20MM with Cubs
/Theo magic
As awesome as it would be to get Pujols, I can’t see him playing anywhere else. Of all the good teams over the last decade (Yankees, Red Sox), only the Red Sox have won as many championships as the Cardinals have. They weren’t nearly as good with the exception of 2004 and 2005, but they’re apparently better off being the worst team in the playoffs. (dying laughing)
Maybe the Cubs should try that.
This “getting to the playoffs” thing sounds like it just might work.
Lest we forget, at least one guy just won a shitload of money for betting on the Cardinals…
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Fan-in-Vegas-bet-Cardinals-to-win-World-Series-a?urn=mlb-wp24823
I knew it! It was rigged all along! Every team standing in the Cardinals’ way was bribed!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/free-agency-period-will-begin-october-30th-1.html
As punishment for winning the World Series as a wildcard team, the St. Louis Cardinals have been sentenced to a season of Tony LaRussa managing the team without Albert Pujols and with Allen Craig.
Some day.
For once I’m glad I work with a bunch of nerds who hate sports.
[quote name=Mercurial Outfielder]As punishment for winning the World Series as a wildcard team, the St. Louis Cardinals have been sentenced to a season of Tony LaRussa managing the team without Albert Pujols and with Allen Craig.[/quote]
With the extra money they pull in from this series going 7 and the extra playoff money in general, I think the chances of STL signing pujols are even more likely. I think that the Cardinals were the most likely team to sign him before, now I think the chance is somewhere around 70-80%
/gut-feeling’d
[quote name=Berselius]With the extra money they pull in from this series going 7 and the extra playoff money in general, I think the chances of STL signing pujols are even more likely. I think that the Cardinals were the most likely team to sign him before, now I think the chance is somewhere around 70-80%
/gut-feeling’d[/quote]
Agreed. I never really thought he was leaving STL, and the deep run emboldens that thought process.
[quote name=Berselius]With the extra money they pull in from this series going 7 and the extra playoff money in general, I think the chances of STL signing pujols are even more likely. I think that the Cardinals were the most likely team to sign him before, now I think the chance is somewhere around 70-80%
/gut-feeling’d[/quote]I initially thought Pujols was gone, but over the last month I’ve felt the same way. With all the playoff money they got this year I’m pretty sure he’s re-signing. I also don’t really think there are many other teams interested. Prince Fielder is the prize first basemen to get this offseason. He’s not better than Pujols, but his contract is going to be a lot better. If Pujols comes down to around 6/150, sign him.
[quote name=mb21]I initially thought Pujols was gone, but over the last month I’ve felt the same way. With all the playoff money they got this year I’m pretty sure he’s re-signing. I also don’t really think there are many other teams interested. Prince Fielder is the prize first basemen to get this offseason. He’s not better than Pujols, but his contract is going to be a lot better. If Pujols comes down to around 6/150, sign him.[/quote]He hasn’t been the better first baseman, but who will be the better first baseman going forward, do you think?
I’m curious about World Series revenues. The teams in it get to keep all the money, or does that get redistributed some way? I never really knew how that worked. I would suppose even if they had to split some of the television profits, they’d still get to keep their in-park revenues, from concessions and so forth.
[quote name=josh]He hasn’t been the better first baseman, but who will be the better first baseman going forward, do you think?
[/quote]Pujols.
I think Pujols will be better going forward. I’m not as concerned about Fielder as I once was, but the man is a small planet. Pujols is a better defender by a huge margin. And a much better baserunner. I think Fielder may be the better hitter over the next 6 to 8 years (it will be close), but everything else favors Pujols.
Pujols has been 18 UZR over the last 4 years and 1 run on the bases (+17 in his career). Fielder has been -20 in fielding and -29 on the bases over the same span. Fielder is a good 7 to 8 runs worse on defense per season. He’s about 5 runs worse running the bases and maybe even more. That’s 1.2 wins right there. Fielder has to be so much better offensively to be the better player. It’s just not going to happen.
I expect Pujols will still be a semi-productive player at the age of 40 and Fielder will be out of the game no later than the age of 35. Pujols is a bit more than 4 years older than Fielder and I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Fielder leaves this game after Pujols does. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was out of the game 10 years by the time Pujols retired. If Pujols plays into his mid 40s, that’s almost certain.
The only reason I say Fielder is the prize first baseman this offseason is because he won’t be overpaid as much as Pujols will be.
Despite Pujols’ advanced age, he’s in better shape, a better runner, and a better defender than Fielder.
Aramis Ramirez makes Prince Fielder look like an awesome baserunner. (dying laughing)
Yeah, what mb21 said.
[quote name=mb21]Aramis Ramirez makes Prince Fielder look like an awesome baserunner. (dying laughing)[/quote]Some team will probably still pay him to play 3rd anyway. Such is the market for that positon.
[quote name=ACT]Despite Pujols’ advanced age, he’s in better shape, a better runner, and a better defender than Fielder.[/quote]He’s also not any worse at the plate right now. Maybe even a bit better right now.
[quote name=mb21]The only reason I say Fielder is the prize first baseman this offseason is because he won’t be overpaid as much as Pujols will be.[/quote]I don’t think I mind that Pujols would be overpaid since he’d probably be worth it, except for the part where the Cubs team as it currently stands has more holes than Roberto Luongo.
There are 3 1B who have at least 20 steals combined over the last 3 seasons. Cuddyer has 24, Votto has 28 and then Pujols has 39. SB doesn’t mean much unless you know the percentage, but still. Pujols isn’t speedy and doesn’t even have the speed he once did, but he’s very smart on the bases.
I think if I could have any first baseman for a long time and money was no issue, I’d go with Votto since he’s younger than Pujols and about as good. Pujols would probably be my second choice, followed by Gonzalez and Cabrera.
[quote name=Rice Cube]I don’t think I mind that Pujols would be overpaid since he’d probably be worth it, except for the part where the Cubs team as it currently stands has more holes than Roberto Luongo.[/quote]What kind of overpay are we talking about? What’s the most you’d pay him? Off the top of my head I’d say 8/200. I can run the numbers later.
[quote name=mb21]What kind of overpay are we talking about? What’s the most you’d pay him? Off the top of my head I’d say 8/200. I can run the numbers later.[/quote]I was thinking if he wanted A-Rod money, you give him 5/$150MM with mutual options for years six and seven and maybe an opt-out clause after year four. I haven’t ran the numbers or anything, just ballpark.
I used to think it might not be a bad idea to give him the 10 year/$300MM mythical contract but that was before I realized how badly the 2011 Cubs sucked and how badly it needed to be obliterated (dying laughing)
I’m excited to see what happens all around, what Theo’s plans are and what he will try to do to make the team competitive at all next year.
Or for 2 years down the road.
http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/10/29/1029-roster-moves/
Forgot that Dempster had to figure out what he wanted to do as well. I think Dempster is Type A, if he opts for free agency, I assume he’d decline arbitration right?
They really moved up the free agent signing date, didn’t they?
Yeah, if Dempster opts out he’ll decline arbitration. He has a few weeks to decide though.
new shit: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/projections/2012-cubs-zips-projections-part-1.html