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  • Reds at Cubs game thread 4.20

    Lineups for to-day

    Reds

    SS Zack Cozart

    CF Drew Stubbs

    1B Joey Votto

    RF Jay Bruce

    3B Scott Rolen

    LF Chris Heisey

    2B Willie Harris

    C Devin Mesoraco

    P Homer Bailey

    Cubs

    RF David Dejesus

    2B Darwin Barney

    SS Starlin Castro

    1B Bryan LaHair

    LF Alfonso Soriano

    3B Ian Stewart

    C Geovany Soto

    CF Marlon Byrd

    P Chris Volstad

     

    Nice to see Bryan LaHair move into the cleanup spot, since he's probably the best hitter on the team (and has been the best so far).

    As I noted in the series preview, Volstad's peripherals have actually been pretty good in his two starts. Hopefully the results regress to the peripherals.

    Berselius
    He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.
    Berselius

    108 Responses to “Reds at Cubs game thread 4.20”

    1. 1 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      You honestly think LaHair is better hitter than Castro?

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    2. bubblesdachimp 2 bubblesdachimp says:

      I am expecting to get swept

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    3. Berselius 3 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      Castro is a great hitter….for a SS.

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    4. Berselius 4 Berselius says:

      LaHair’s projections averaged around the mid .340′s, Castro’s were in the mid .330s

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    5. Rice Cube 5 Rice Cube says:

      Who fucked up that caught stealing attempt?

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    6. bubblesdachimp 6 bubblesdachimp says:

      game over

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    7. Berselius 7 Berselius says:

      Cubs lose

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    8. Berselius 8 Berselius says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      From what Pat said, it sounds like the wind fucked up Soto’s throw

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    9. Rice Cube 9 Rice Cube says:

      A double play would be nice. I’m reasonably sure the Cubs can score one run. Two might be pushing it (dying laughing)

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    10. Rice Cube 10 Rice Cube says:

      Those Reds are running wild!

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    11. Berselius 11 Berselius says:

      Hopefully the results regress to the peripherals.

      FAIL (dying laughing)

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    12. Rice Cube 12 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      You and your silly “hope”.

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    13. 13 Nate says:

      Are the stands empty? I’m following gameday at work.

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    14. Rice Cube 14 Rice Cube says:

      Oh, Byrd…

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    15. Berselius 15 Berselius says:

      Pat: “It looks like a lot of people are going to take a pass on their tickets today”

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    16. bubblesdachimp 16 bubblesdachimp says:

      Unreal

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    17. Rice Cube 17 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      Don’t blame them. Really cold and crappy out from what I can see out my window…and I’m on the South Side.

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    18. 18 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      /sad trombone

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    19. 20 Nate says:

      wow, this team is epically bad. worse than 2006 bad.

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    20. bubblesdachimp 21 bubblesdachimp says:

      40% chance of having the #1 pick

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    21. josh 22 josh says:

      20 minutes late turning on the game, and we’re all ready down by 4.

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    22. josh 23 josh says:

      Weren’t you all just saying how Volstad isn’t as bad as we thought?

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    23. mb21 24 mb21 says:

      @ Nate:
      PECOTA had the 2006 Cubs at around 85 or 86 wins. Then Lee went down. Same with Wood and Prior. I never counted on those 2 for anything in 2006 so I thought PECOTA was nuts, but if those two were relatively healthy (and Lee) they probably were an 86-win team. This team? They’re just really really bad.

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    24. mb21 25 mb21 says:

      @ josh:
      I’ve been saying since the Cubs acquired him that he’s nothing more than a replacement level starter. Volstad is obviously qualified for a rotation that includes Jeff Samardzija.

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    25. mb21 26 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think LaHair is the best hitter too. Not like it’s saying much. Castro will out-WAR him easily because of position, but as far as hitting goes my money is on LaHair to be at the top of the list in wOBA at the end of the season. I’ve got Soto next, but barely better than Castro.

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    26. mb21 27 mb21 says:

      Wow. What a catch.

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    27. 28 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Lots of strikes from Bailey today

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    28. 29 Nate says:

      When does trade season heat up? I’m already tired of most of these players. Even Castro seems like all he can do is hit a ton of singles.

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    29. mb21 30 mb21 says:

      berselius, shift+enter is a line break in the editor so you know.

      /nitpicking bastard who gets annoyed with unnecessary spaces. (dying laughing)

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    30. 31 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Good lord, Joey Votto owns Volstad

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    31. mb21 33 mb21 says:

      @ Nate:
      There are some random rumors throughout the spring, but nothing with any legs until Junish. Usually late June at the earliest. By mid-July there will be a lot of rumors and by the final week of July it’s all we’ll read about.

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    32. mb21 34 mb21 says:

      LaError

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    33. 35 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      CLANK

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    34. mb21 36 mb21 says:

      Castro has another error already?

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    35. bubblesdachimp 37 bubblesdachimp says:

      I honestly dont think this team even tries

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    36. Berselius 38 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      I’m too used to writing in programming languages where all whitespace is treated the same (dying laughing)

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    37. 39 Nate says:

      @ mb21:
      apparently he didn’t catch a throw from Soto

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    38. Berselius 40 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      I think that error was supposed to be on Soto, unless there was another misplay that I’m forgetting.

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    39. mb21 41 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      You can ignore me. It’s just one of those things that stands out to me. This is coming from someone who doesn’t even edit 3/4 of his posts so you probably should ignore me.

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    40. 42 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      60 pitches already for Volstad

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    41. bubblesdachimp 43 bubblesdachimp says:

      3 errors already

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    42. mb21 44 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Between he and F7 it’s going to be a battle to see who can throw the most pitches per inning. I’ll give the advantage to F7.

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    43. 45 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      mb21 wrote:

      This is coming from someone who doesn’t even 3/4 of his posts so you probably should ignore me.

      Indeed (dying laughing) (dying laughing) (dying laughing)

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    44. 46 Marilyn Hagerty says:

      My readers want to know: should I bother tuning into this game now?

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    45. bubblesdachimp 47 bubblesdachimp says:

      Solid chance for everyone to committ an error today

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    46. 48 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      In all seriousness, which of them ends the season with a worse FIP, in your opinion?

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    47. 49 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      That’s an hittable pitch. If every umpire called that strike, no runs would be scored.

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    48. 50 Nate says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m going Volstad. I still think F7 has more upside and is likely to K more people.

      Does anyone have early opinions on Ian Stewart?

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    49. josh 51 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      Touché.

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    50. Rice Cube 52 Rice Cube says:

      Hooray! A baserunner!

      /cue the TOOTBLAN

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    51. Rice Cube 53 Rice Cube says:

      Nate wrote:

      Does anyone have early opinions on Ian Stewart?

      He’s Scottish.

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    52. 54 Nate says:

      @ Rice Cube:

      Ah, facts=opinions. I forgot it was election season again already.

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    53. 55 Marilyn Hagerty says:

      Nate wrote:

      Does anyone have early opinions on Ian Stewart?

      MO thinks he’s dirty and sucks.

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    54. Rice Cube 56 Rice Cube says:

      @ Nate:
      (dying laughing)

      Hey, there’s the run I said would score.

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    55. 57 Nate says:

      5 errors in 3 innings. NL Central, let it happen to you.

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    56. mb21 58 mb21 says:

      @ Nate:
      F7 probably strikes out a few more than Volstad, but not that many. F7 will walk a lot more than Volstad and give up a lot more hits.

      As for Ian Stewart, it’s nice to see someone who can field 3B for a change. I’ll leave it at that.

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    57. Mish 59 Mish says:

      KG

      Anthony Rizzo, 1B, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa): 2-for-3, 2 HR (7), 2 R, 3 RBI, BB.

      Make no mistake about it, Rizzo is raking, as after last night’s big game he’s now at .393/.433/.786 in 14 games. Just as interesting are the scouting reports that indicate Rizzo has addressed some of the bad habits he got into with his swing last year. This has led to an outcry from all corners of the interwebs for Rizzo to be in the big leagues, and now. Two words: Calm down.

      1. It’s easy to forget what happened in 2011, when Rizzo had the best numbers in the minors and then turned into the National League’s version of Adam Dunn when summoned to the big leagues. The Cubs don’t want a repeat of that and don’t want to call up Rizzo until they are assured he can stay up for good.

      2. Calling him up is going to require a lot of deck chair re-arranging. Bryan LaHair is hitting quite well, and there’s nowhere to put him should the Cubs recall Rizzo (and no, the Cubs are not just going to release Alfonso Soriano).

      3. The Cubs are not going to complete for a playoff spot this year, so what’s the rush?

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    58. 60 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Marilyn Hagerty wrote:

      MO thinks he’s dirty and mediocre.

      Seriously. The guy looks like he bathes in bullshit and shaves with a hot rock.

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    59. bubblesdachimp 61 bubblesdachimp says:

      @ Marilyn Hagerty:

      He likes survivor like bubbles and responds to his tweets

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    60. 62 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I think KG’s spot-on about Rizzo.

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    61. 63 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Volstad is letting it happen to him.

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    62. Rice Cube 64 Rice Cube says:

      So much for being in the game.

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    63. Berselius 65 Berselius says:

      Glancing at the box score, it seems like many of the hits off Volstad have been to the shallow OF. Lots of short flares?

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    64. Rice Cube 66 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      Sharp ground balls, mostly. Gameday has a bit more info methinks.

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    65. Mish 67 Mish says:

      This is almost as funny as the Cubs http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/twitter-spelling-mistakes

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    66. Rice Cube 68 Rice Cube says:

      DeWitt with a gritty double.

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    67. josh 69 josh says:

      Hey! Keith is saying “Starleen” now with emphasis on “Star.” That’s an improvement over “Starling” with a clear ‘g.’

      That’s like winning a World Series for WGN radio.

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    68. Mish 70 Mish says:

      Didn’t know he was still around/alive; from HBT:

      The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Los Angeles Dodgers Minor League pitcher Angel Guzman has received a 50-game suspension after a second violation of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program for a drug of abuse.

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    69. Berselius 71 Berselius says:

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    70. josh 72 josh says:

      @ Mish:
      Wasn’t he going to be the Cubs setup man a year or so ago?

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    71. GBTS 73 GBTS says:

      So who else saw Kevin Millar ruin the Fenway anniversary celebration?

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    72. 74 Nate says:

      What’s the percent chance that LaHair ends up being better than Rizzo?

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    73. josh 75 josh says:

      So I guess Derrek Rose loves his mother? That’s pretty unusual.

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    74. Berselius 76 Berselius says:

      Cubs runs today

      - S. Castro safe at first on left fielder C. Heisey’s fielding error, D. DeJesus scored, S. Castro to second
      - B. LaHair singled to shallow right, S. Castro scored
      - D. Barney grounded out to third, B. DeWitt scored
      - A. Soriano grounded out to shortstop, B. LaHair scored

      They just need to work in a GIDP run to round things out

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    75. mb21 77 mb21 says:

      @ Mish:
      asswhole

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    76. mb21 78 mb21 says:

      @ Nate:
      I don’t know, but probably a lot higher than a lot of people realize. If I was going to make a wild-ass guess I’d say there’s about a 15% chance that LaHair has a more productive MLB career than Rizzo. I’d also guess that he’s more than likely the better player right now. I’d say there’s about a 70% chance LaHair is more productive right now. What do you think?

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    77. GBTS 79 GBTS says:

      @ Mish:
      Umbeyonce. (dying laughing)

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    78. mb21 80 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      A pass ball, wild pitch and balk that all score runs would tie it up. After Marmol gives up the lead they can give up the game winning GIDP.

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    79. mb21 81 mb21 says:

      Who could’ve seen Joe Mather performing at this level?

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    80. josh 82 josh says:

      I posted this after yesterday’s game, but it applies for today as well: http://obb.joshuallen.com/2012/04/20/new-perspective/

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    81. bubblesdachimp 83 bubblesdachimp says:

      This might be an overreaction but i honestly think the 2003 tigers record is in play

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    82. josh 84 josh says:

      @ bubblesdachimp:
      Bad defense, bad bullpen, so-so starting lineup, bad offense, bad baserunning. They do none of the little things right (i.e., throwing into the cutoff man, etc.)…

      It’s not good.

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    83. bubblesdachimp 85 bubblesdachimp says:

      @ josh:

      I mean 43 wins is real low… But i wouldnt doubt it…

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    84. Smokestack Lightning 86 Smokestack Lightning says:

      @ mb21:

      I say let’s find out right now. Bring him up, shift LaHair to a platoon in LF with Soriano. Say fuck all to the OF defense. It’s not there anyway.

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    85. Rizzo the Rat 87 ACT says:

      Wow, just looking at the Cubs’ batting lines for the year is depressing (with the exception of LaHair, and, to a lesser extent, Castro). Those are some ugly, ugly slash lines.

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    86. Rizzo the Rat 88 ACT says:

      The team was hitting .233/.296/.328 before this game (in which they only got 5 hits).

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    87. josh 90 josh says:

      @ ACT:
      Yep. Well, they aren’t always going to be this bad. They’ll have a couple of good runs. The victories this season will be when they finally win a couple series in a row. It’ll feel like winning the division compared to the rest of the season.

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    88. Rizzo the Rat 91 ACT says:

      @ ACT:
      To be fair, offense is down league-wide (for like the 6th straight year). Also April weather and such.

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    89. mb21 92 mb21 says:

      Smokestack Lightning wrote:

      I say let’s find out right now. Bring him up, shift LaHair to a platoon in LF with Soriano. Say fuck all to the OF defense. It’s not there anyway.

      I’m not against anything that sits Alfonso Soriano against right handed pitching.

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    90. Rizzo the Rat 93 ACT says:

      Pittsburgh’s offensive numbers are hilarious. .205/.252/.287, barely over 2 runs per game.

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    91. Rizzo the Rat 94 ACT says:

      By contrast, the Rangers are scoring like a football team.

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    92. mb21 95 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      It says drug of abuse so I’m assuming it’s cocaine or something like that. Isn’t a 2nd suspension for PED 100 games?

      According to Wiki these are the drugs of abuse in MLB’s drug policy:

      Drugs of abuse

      Cocaine
      LSD
      Marijuana
      Opiates (e.g., heroin, codeine, morphine)
      MDMA (“Ecstasy”)
      GHB
      Phencyclidine (“PCP”)

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    93. Rizzo the Rat 96 ACT says:

      @ mb21:
      They’d still need to clear a roster space somehow. Then again, who needs that Mather guy?

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    94. mb21 97 mb21 says:

      Discipline
      Failure to comply with treatment program

      First failure to comply: 15 to 25 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $10,000
      Second failure to comply: 25 to 50 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $25,000
      Third failure to comply: 50 to 75 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $50,000
      Fourth failure to comply: minimum one year suspension and/or a fine of up to $100,000
      Any subsequent failure(s) to comply: The level of the discipline will be determined by the Office of the Commissioner, consistent with the concept of progressive discipline.

      All suspensions are without pay.
      [edit] Positive steroid test results

      First positive test result: 50 game suspension
      Second positive test result: 100 game suspension
      Third positive test result: lifetime ban from MLB

      All suspensions are without pay. In addition, a suspended player can be replaced on the active roster by another player. If a player is on the disabled list, the suspension is served while on the disabled list.
      [edit] Conviction for use of prohibited substances

      First offense: 15 to 30 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $10,000
      Second offense: 30 to 90 day suspension and/or a fine of up to $50,000
      Third offense: minimum one year suspension and/or a fine of up to $100,000
      Fourth offense: minimum two year suspension
      Any subsequent offense(s): The level of the discipline will be determined by the Office of the Commissioner, consistent with the concept of progressive discipline.

      All suspensions are without pay.

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    95. mb21 98 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      Maine, Mather, Castillo. For that matter you could also include DeWitt, Baker and Barney, but that would totally fuck up the Cubs master plan of having as many shitty 2nd basemen as possible.

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    96. Rizzo the Rat 99 ACT says:

      @ mb21:
      They might as well ban alcohol while they’re telling people how to enjoy their free time.

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    97. Rizzo the Rat 100 ACT says:

      The Cubs kinda need Barney since he’s the only person besides Castro who can play short.

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    98. Rizzo the Rat 101 ACT says:

      Don’t know if this has been repeated here yet.

      Ryan Dempster ‘s start on Sunday questionable. Right quad strain. MRI today.DL possible.— Bruce Levine (@ESPNBruceLevine) April 20, 2012

      That’s unfortunate. His and Garza’s starts are the only Cubs games worth watching.

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    99. Pezcore 102 Pezcore says:

      @ mb21:
      He was just celebrating 4/20. Red Sawx better watch out, you know it all starts with chicken and beer and ends up with Weed and Coke. Testing on/near stoner christmas for recreational drugs is wrong.

      I’d be all for DFA’ing DeWitt and moving LaHair to Left. He’s hitting well enough.

      Bah, we could offer to pay his salary and throw in Josh Vitters to make some other team take adolfo. That nearly worked last time.

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    100. Rizzo the Rat 103 ACT says:

      mb21 wrote:

      DeWitt, Baker and Barney

      All three of them are much better than Mather, IMO.

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    101. mb21 104 mb21 says:

      @ ACT:
      I hadn’t heard about the possibility of the DL. That sucks. I agree, Garza and Dempster’s starts are the only games I’m inclined to watch.

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    102. mb21 105 mb21 says:

      Mather should definitely go before any of the others, but I don’t really care if they get rid of all their 2nd baseman and just play without one. (dying laughing)

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    103. josh 107 josh says:

      I think Castro is going to flash more power this year. Just a hunch. No real basis for that.

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