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  • Fortnightly Facepalm: 6.3.12 Draft, Soler, Baez, Garza, Dempster

    I guess there's something going on tomorrow?

    The MLB draft is tomorrow. The Cubs worked out possible first round picks Carlos Correa (SS) and Max Fried (P) earlier this week, and several draft evaluators are prognisticating that the Cubs will take high school OF Albert Almora. It's nice not having to worry about the Cubs picking another Tyler Colvin or Homer Simpson.

    Jorge Soler's free agency is now officially official

    The Cubs can now officially pursue Jorge Soler, His agent wants all offers submitted by Thursday, which is well before next month's CBA spending deadline. I guess we'll find out soon if the Cubs (or some other team) did have a handshake deal with him after all. The rumored Cubs deal earlier in the offseason was 4/27, and I hope that's not true. The Cubs need young talent, but at what price? Young talent is what teams need, but price is as big a factor in their value as aging curves. That amount of money would be better spent on a free agent rather than a guy with a ton of uncertainty who, even if he does pan out, will have a relatively expensive baseline to negotiate further contracts while he's under team control. The Cubs can afford it, but there are probably better ways to spend their money without overreacting to the new CBA.

    The Cubs brass do seem to be impressed with Soler. Sveum said he likes his bat, but thinks that Correa might be a little better.

    Javier Baez does what he wants

    Last night Javier Baez hit a 4,000 foot HR (video below) and was later drilled in the ribs for swinging at a 3-0 pitch with a 13 run lead. The opposing manager was as obvious as possible about the pitch, coming out to talk to the pitcher immediately after the swing. Both were immediately ejected. Hopefully the opposing team also took the rest of the night off and refused to swing at every pitch for the rest of the game, since they already said the game was over. Asshats.

    Also mentioned in dj's recap, Josh Vitters is still hitting well. He had a homer and a double in last night's game and now has a .276/.327/.470 line (.341 wOBA) on the season. Good thing for him that Ian Stewart isn't really staking any claim on the 3b job for next year. Speaking of Stewart, his bum wrist is bothering him yet again.

    Matt Garza trade rumors heating up

    John Heyman has reported that the Yankees have already expressed some interest, and Olney thinks that the Blue Jays could be a good partner. Garza has AL East Experience which gives him extra value to those teams. It's too bad the Rays likely won't have much interest in bringing him back, I'd love for the Cubs to crack into that farm system.

    Speaking of pitching fire sales

    The Dodgers could be a destination for Ryan Dempster. According to CBS's Danny Knobler they're looking to pursue pitching and hitting  (what else is there?), and wanted Dempster a few years ago before the Cubs extended him.

    How's that Marlon Byrd trade working out?

    Maroln Byrd with the Red Sox: 102 PA , .271/.287/.393, .257 wOBA, -0.3 WAR

    Michael Bowden with the Cubs: 9.2 IP, 7.45 ERA, 5.61 FIP, 4.98 xFIP, -0.1 WAR, designated for assignment

    I guess the Cubs are winning this trade (dying laughing)

    Just because

    Berselius
    He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.
    Berselius

    65 Responses to “Fortnightly Facepalm: 6.3.12 Draft, Soler, Baez, Garza, Dempster”

    1. Rice Cube 1 Rice Cube says:

      So tell me, b, what are we going to do tonight?

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    2. Berselius 2 Berselius says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      So tell me, b, what are we going to do tonight?

      The same thing we do every night, RC, watch the Cubs lose

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    3. Rice Cube 3 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      So you were thinking what I was thinking…

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    4. GW 4 GW says:

      Listened to a white sox farm system guy on the score yesterday who said this year’s draft is the worst he has seen in at least ten years.

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    5. Pezcore 5 Pezcore says:

      I hope we pick Carlos Correa. He’s a nice story, can stick at shortstop, and he’ll be present at the draft, so someone with MLB.tv will need to get a nice vidcap of Correa donning a cubs hat for the first time.

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    6. Berselius 6 Berselius says:

      @ Pezcore:

      I hope the Cubs get him too, but from what I gather he’ll probably be off the board already

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    7. 7 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:
      I’m not sure how much we should trust the word of anyone from that wretched farm system. (dying laughing)

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    8. mb21 8 mb21 says:

      DJ, I don’t understand what you’re getting at when you say this:

      maybe md but I think a unintended consequence of this CBA is big free agents wont make it to FA anymore. Everyone is getting extensions. Plus with the savings teams have in the draft & int’l the open market is going to get insane. Its hard to put into words just how damaging I think this CBA is but it’s bad for the game and I’m glad it only runs through 2016.

      How does that help the Cubs contend a lot sooner than 2015? Do you mean 2014 or do you mean next year? And how does the potential of fewer free agents being available help the Cubs contend sooner? I think you’re right to some extent, but this only makes it more difficult for the Cubs to contend in the near future.

      Unless they get Rays lucky and every prospect they have works out, I just don’t see it. This team is bad. Their farm system doesn’t have much that’s MLB ready and you’re talking about trading Dempster and Garza. The Cubs could contend in the near future without Dempster, who won’t bring much in a trade anyway, but I don’t see it happening without Garza.

      I see Dempster bringing a low C prospect if the Cubs don’t send any money along in the trade and maybe a B- prospect if they pay all the remaining money he’s owed. For Garza they could probably get a B+ prospect in return. Or maybe a couple B- ones.

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    9. mb21 9 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      Some others have said that too, but I don’t know how much I believe comments like that. It was just a few years ago the same exact thing was said and a couple years before that it was also said. It seems to me any draft that doesn’t have a Strasburg, Harper or a few elite ones like last year’s is said to be the worst draft ever.

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    10. 10 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      And it’s worth noting that of the three best prospects the Yankees have (Banuelos, Betances, and Heathcott), two are fighting injuries (Banuelos with an elbow strain and Heathcott with shoulder surgery), and Betances’ control has gotten so bad that he’s probably going to be permanently bullpen-tested soon. So who knows what sort of package the Yankees are thinking of for Garza.

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    11. GW 11 GW says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:

      i was actually pretty impressed. when confronted with how bad it is, he submitted a token defense, but in essence said you can’t discount the opinions of all those talent evaluators

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    12. 12 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:
      Yeah, I had tongue firmly in cheek there. It’s not the scouts’ fault that Kenny Williams is an idiot.

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    13. mb21 13 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Garza is good, but he’s making a lot of money and has just through next year under club control. We may not like it, but he’s just not that valuable in a trade.

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    14. mb21 14 mb21 says:

      That’s why I think he’s given an extension. I don’t think the Cubs got anything near what they were hoping to be offered this past offseason and decided then to re-sign him.

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    15. 15 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Yeah, I get that. I’m just saying even if the Yankees were inclined to give us 2-3 B-level guys (which is about where most people seem to see those three), the 3 we’d want already have serious downsides, and whatever is behind them probably isn’t worth Garza himself, let alone whatever throw-ins the Yankees would want.

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    16. 16 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Agreed. I think Dempster, JefF7 and LaHair are the most likely trade candidates. I don’t buy that untouchable shit with Samardzija. Not even for one minute.

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    17. 17 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

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    18. mb21 18 mb21 says:

      Let’s say he’s worth 2 more WAR the rest of the year and 3.5 next year. Both estimates are high, but fuck it. 5.5 WAR at $5 million per win = $27.5 million. He has $6.3 million left to be paid this season and will get $12 million or so in his 4th arb year. That’s just under $20 million so even if you estimate his value high you still only have a surplus trade value of under $10 million.

      A more reasonable estimate of his WAR is probably 4.5 between now and the end of next season. That’s $22.5 million and he’ll be paid about $19 million. I take back what I said about getting a B+ or 2 B- prospects. It’s more like 1 B- or a couple C’s and that would be a very good trade for the Cubs.

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    19. 19 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      In my mind, it’s pretty simple for the Cubs with Garza- they have to have a pitcher (if not 2) of at least his quality on their team in 3 years. They have control of him now, so they could extend him. They would have to get someone as good as him back who would be on the team for a longer to trade him. Even if Samardjiza is this good, they need another. They aren’t likely to get someone that good from their current system as is. I think they end up extending him because I don’t know how they get someone that good back from anybody unless the Tigers consider giving up Turner. And signing a FA like Hamels or Greinke would likely cost at least as much and likely more than a Garza extension. That’s why I think they end up extending him.

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    20. Berselius 20 Berselius says:

      Daniel Bard is reinventing shitting the bed today (dying laughing). 6 walks, a HBP and a HR in 1.2 innings so far

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    21. mb21 21 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Yeah, I agree. I doubt the Yankees are thinking about trading any of those guys for Garza to be honest, but you’re right.

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    22. Rizzo the Rat 22 ACT says:

      Verlander has not been sharp today.

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    23. mb21 23 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I don’t buy it either. No GM in his right mind would have F7 as untouchable and I don’t care how good you think he might be. He’s been very good so far this year, but we just can’t ignore the past stats. Weight them less if you think he has transformed, but they do matter. Not to mention he’s going to be making big bucks in arbitration due to his already very high salary for someone who would otherwise be making league minimum.

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    24. 24 Doogolas says:

      Vitters’ line is actually: .280/.328/..489 after last night. Not .276/.327/.470 .

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    25. mb21 25 mb21 says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      You know, even if they don’t intend to be competitive, I think they still extend Garza. Let’s say the Cubs are punting on the next few seasons. They still have to have a rotation and they have to have someone who can pitch well enough every 5th day to give the bullpen some rest.

      That and the fact they’re just not going to get a good enough offer for him makes it that much more likely he’s extended to a contract similar to the one Danks signed.

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    26. Berselius 26 Berselius says:

      Bard finally pulled after a second HBP

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    27. Berselius 27 Berselius says:

      Z ———> HR

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    28. Rice Cube 28 Rice Cube says:

      Z –> HR

      But you already knew that.

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    29. Rice Cube 29 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      That wasn’t a cheap homer either.

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    30. Rizzo the Rat 30 ACT says:

      Z has struggled with the bat this year. Nice to see him connect.

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    31. GBTS 31 GBTS says:

      I don’t know how I didn’t notice this dude until now, but (dying laughing)

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    32. Rice Cube 32 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      YOLO, man.

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    33. Rizzo the Rat 33 ACT says:

      As a pitcher, Z is continuing to make his argument that K/BB ratio is vastly overrated.

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    34. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

      @ GBTS:

      (dying laughing)

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    35. GBTS 35 GBTS says:

      The jean shorts were a dead giveaway, I guess.

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    36. GBTS 36 GBTS says:

      I especially like that he seems incredulous at security for dragging him off the pile. (dying laughing)

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    37. Berselius 37 Berselius says:

      Mather-less lineup vs LHP Zito

      CF Campana
      2B Barney
      SS Castro
      LF Adolfo
      1B Baker
      3B Stewart
      RF Reedz
      C Toe Thumbs
      P Wood

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    38. Rizzo the Rat 38 ACT says:

      @ GBTS:
      Wearing a dead guy’s jersey is another clue.

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    39. Rice Cube 39 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      I like how nobody really cared as he was being dragged away, including the cameraman.

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    40. Rizzo the Rat 40 ACT says:

      @ Berselius:
      Has Sveum given up all pretense that LaHair is the everyday first baseman? (Honestly, I’d rather see Stewart platooned.)

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    41. Berselius 41 Berselius says:

      Callis is going to be on WGN in about 20 mins, talking about the Cubs draft

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    42. Berselius 42 Berselius says:

      @ ACT:

      I think it’s odd that Stewart is playing, given the lefty on the mound and his wrist issues

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    43. Rizzo the Rat 43 ACT says:

      @ Berselius:
      Maybe Sveum has had enough of Mather’s so-called defense.

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    44. GBTS 44 GBTS says:

      Rizzo, plz.

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    45. Rizzo the Rat 45 ACT says:

      I love how anything can happen on this team. I love how you can go from no. 3 hitter to no. 8 hitter to bench in a few days or how you can go from closer to AAA in about a week.

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    46. Rizzo the Rat 46 ACT says:

      Basically, the line between being one of the best players on the team and being not good enough to play is razor-thin.

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    47. Rice Cube 47 Rice Cube says:

      @ ACT:
      I like how Koyie Hill is an improvement over Mather for the #8 spot (I guess someone has to do the catching though)

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    48. 48 Doogolas says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      I like how Koyie Hill is an improvement over Mather for the #8 spot (I guess someone has to do the catching though)

      Barney. Emergency catcher!

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    49. Rice Cube 49 Rice Cube says:

      @ Doogolas:
      While that would be amusing to see…

      Wait, it would be great. Make it so.

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    50. 51 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Detroit defense sucks

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    51. Berselius 52 Berselius says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:

      False. Justin Verlander just doesn’t want to win

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    52. Rizzo the Rat 53 ACT says:

      Justin’s FIP is over 7 for the game, so it’s not just the defense that’s been sucking today.

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    53. Berselius 54 Berselius says:

      Callis on WGN now, KG will be on later

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    54. Rice Cube 55 Rice Cube says:

      Z —> bunt single

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    55. Berselius 56 Berselius says:

      Summary of Callis interview with Orange guy

      Dawson is the best player that actually has a chance of dropping to the Cubs, though the chance is small. (this could be Gaussman, I suck at hearing. Some guy from LSU)
      Cubs will probably draft Almora
      Callis would take Correa over Almora and Fried, if all three were available at 6
      Callis had lots of great things to say about McLeod (thinks he’ll be a GM someday) and Wilken, referred to them as a dream team
      It’s a lousy draft for pitching

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    56. 57 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I wonder if Rizzo could play any 3B

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    57. Rice Cube 58 Rice Cube says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      Considering there hasn’t been a lefty 3B in MLB in like 30 years…I’d say the chances are very slim.

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    58. Berselius 59 Berselius says:

      KG was on next, some more highlights

      Baez, Jackson, Rizzo the only bats with upside in the system.

      Loves Sczczcaratafdr’s speed, but points out there’s not a lot else there.

      He does not like the Cubs pitching prospects, would say any of them have good upside.

      He spent some time tempering expectations on Maples.

      He agrees that the Cubs will probably take Almora. He’s toolsy, could be a future 20-20 CF

      He thinks Correa is the best player in the draft, probably won’t drop to 6

      He doesn’t think the three big college pitchers will drop to six, but if Zimmer is still around at 6 he thinks the Cubs will take Almora over him anyway

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    59. GBTS 60 GBTS says:

      Brewers announcers talking about replay:

      “I don’t like replay. Baseball is the greatest game as it is. I don’t like any part of replay.”
      (silence)
      “Do you like using replay for home run fair/foul calls?”
      “Oh yeah, I like that.”

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    60. Rice Cube 61 Rice Cube says:

      Did they have time to suggest who might be a good sandwich pick?

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    61. GBTS 62 GBTS says:

      I just wish people who reflexively shit on all things replay would just listen to themselves. All of them say replay isn’t necessary because the umpires get it right 99% of the time, and the really controversial stuff happens so rarely, etc. And then when they say what baseball would be like with replay, they say it will extend the game seven hours because we’ll be looking at and arguing every single call. Can’t have it both ways, guys.

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    62. 64 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Ian Stewart, Cubs current 3B? (dying laughing)

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    63. josh 65 josh says:

      Saw a phasmid today!

      Okay, wrong forum.

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