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  • DFP 1-12-30: He Saw It All

    Obstructed View Daily Facepalm

    In Peace

    One of the last living witnesses to the Cubs dynasty bids us farewell

    Henry Widegren was the rarest of Cubs fans. A lot of people can say they’re the biggest fan or the craziest fan or the fan least likely to succeed (I’m not sure why people would say such things, but they can without any real basis for dispute), but Henry could boast of something few people alive can compare with: he lived to see the Cubs win the World Series. Granted, he wasn’t even a year old, but he was alive when it happened. Sadly, the list of living witnesses to the Cubs’ championship years has decreased by one. Henry passed away at the age of 104. It seems like he lived a long and happy life. But today’s facepalm has begun as depressing as hell. Who’s ready for baseball?

    Bid Selif

    I know the recent quotes from Bud Selig about the Cubs/Red Sox compensation are old news, but this Trib article is a must read simply for the typos. Great galloping Gallardos, there’s some good stuff in there.

    Is There a Cubs Game Today?

    No.

    Tweetastic

    I’m not even making fun of this tweet. I admire the ludicrous optimism. If one must be optimistic, one should take it to the extreme.

    Reader Photo of the Day

    Thanks to Josh for posting photos of his recent meetup with MO, SK, Ryno, RC, and Mish.

    Josh and the guys chillin' after the big "game"

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    145 Responses to “DFP 1-12-30: He Saw It All”

    1. 1 AndCounting says:

      Sorry about the photo. I couldn’t help myself.

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    2. mb21 2 mb21 says:

      (dying laughing) @ that picture

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    3. 3 fang2415 says:

      Either the Trib went back and proofread the article or I’m dumber than they are and just missed every error.

      Also, I wish I could unsee that photo, but it will now haunt my dreams.

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    4. Mish 4 Mish says:

      What is this I don’t even

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    5. josh 5 josh says:

      Hilarious. I love the article. This is my favorite sentence:

      “An obviously irritated Selig had told the Cubs and Red Sox several times that they should decide the compensation themselves, but more than three months.”

      I imagine it was originally punctuated “…but more than three months??!?!?!?” until the astute editor realized that question marks and exclamation points are outside of AP style.

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    6. mb21 6 mb21 says:

      Bid Selif (dying laughing)

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    7. Suburban kid 7 Suburban kid says:

      I hadn’t done that since I was little. It was fun to do it again, and with other like-minded dudes.

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    8. josh 8 josh says:

      I grew the beard just for that occasion.

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    9. Rice Cube 9 Rice Cube says:

      I see that the “tuck rule” was in effect.

      Just glad you captured my good side.

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    10. WaLi 10 WaLi says:

      Is there a way to post photos with wordpress without uploading it to photobucket (or whatever) first?

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    11. Suburban kid 11 Suburban kid says:

      Sounds like Oswalt only wants to play for a contender that isn’t too far from his home. No wonder he is open to a modest deal.

      Also, I will be sad if D-Lee retires this year.

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    12. mb21 12 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      You can’t just use any URL with the link below the submit comment button? Try this one: http://www.obstructedview.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dailyfacepalm.jpg

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    13. mb21 13 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      Is he talking about retirement?

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    14. WaLi 14 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      I can do that, but if I have a photo on my computer it won’t work. I can’t get to photobucket and similar sites so I can’t post a photo unless it is already hosted.

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    15. WaLi 15 WaLi says:

      @ WaLi:
      I guess what I’m asking is if wordpress hosts images (dying laughing). Not a big deal though.

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    16. mb21 16 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      Upload it as an avatar. Here’s mine: http://www.obstructedview.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mb21_avatar.jpg

      It’s a full size image just shrunk to fit the avatar size:

      [img]http://www.obstructedview.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mb21_avatar.jpg[/img]

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    17. 17 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Tim told me I had to keep my watch on for the photo because my contract requires the blog to compensate me for any full-nude work.

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    18. WaLi 18 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      Hmm I don’t know what’s going on. When I try to change my avatar it keeps my old one and doesn’t replace it with my new one. Oh well.

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    19. mb21 19 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Bud Selig is taking care of your compensation, MO. It’s out of our hands.

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    20. mb21 20 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      It looks new to me.

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    21. josh 21 josh says:

      @ WaLi:
      I noticed that too. Just refresh after you update and you’ll see the change.

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    22. mb21 22 mb21 says:

      I guess it resizes everything. Sorry about that.

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    23. mb21 23 mb21 says:

      Email me the picture and I’ll upload it.

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    24. WaLi 24 WaLi says:

      @ josh:

      Ah there it goes.

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    25. WaLi 25 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:

      It isn’t a big deal. Just a picture of a video on ESPN and it says “VIDEO AVAILABLE SOON” then it says “Available in 188 dyas 8 hrs 2 min”

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    26. 26 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Maybe I’ll get McNutt.

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    27. Berselius 27 Berselius says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      @ mb21:
      Maybe I’ll get McNutt.

      We’ll send you Marvin McNutt

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    28. 28 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:
      Can I immediately send him to the Bears?

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    29. mb21 29 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      I’m going to miss that guy. I’m not sure how good he’ll be in the NFL, but he was fucking awesome at Iowa.

      7 got 6

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    30. Berselius 30 Berselius says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      @ Berselius:
      Can I immediately send him to the Bears?

      We’ll send him to the Packers in your name, does that work?

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    31. 31 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:

      I think he’s one of the most underrated players in the draft.

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    32. 32 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

      If I were the Packers, I’d think about drafting on defense, and especially the secondary, before I drafted another WR.

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    33. mb21 33 mb21 says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m not capable of being unbiased when it comes to McNutt. He was the best WR I’ve ever seen at Iowa. Tim Dwight was fucking awesome. He could turn a game around in a matter of a few minutes. One of the best athletes I’ve ever seen. McNutt is better. He’s got the size. His hands are iffy at times, but it’s much improved. At the same time he can use his hands to make catches that 99% of other receivers couldn’t do. He’ll drop a pass and then catch one that no other human could have caught.

      I’d love to have seen what his numbers at Iowa would be if he started out as a WR. He didn’t fully convert to WR until midway through is sophomore season. That video above, I believe, was his first start at WR. He started getting into games as a WR earlier and earlier, but it wasn’t until midway through that they said he’d no longer be the backup QB. Despite that, he shredded WR records at Iowa. If you were close, McNutt could turn the game around.

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    34. mb21 34 mb21 says:

      midway through his sophomore season that is.

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    35. Dr. Aneus Taint 35 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      The 49ers actually playing into January has retarded my draft knowledge this season.

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    36. 36 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      The Bears won’t get a shot at Blackmon (awesome) or Jeffery (overrated), but they have a real shot at McNutt and Floyd, and I’d be happy with either of them.

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    37. josh 37 josh says:

      Speaking of football and naked men and the Superbowl:

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    38. Mish 38 Mish says:

      The #Cubs have signed Trever Miller to a minor-league deal with an invite to spring training. He’ll make $800,000 if he’s in the big leagues

      /Jayson Stark’d

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    39. Aisle424 39 Aisle424 says:

      Trever Miller ——–> Cubs minor league deal

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    40. WenningtonsGorillaCock 40 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      [img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/430644_10150549767323904_328974283903_8611035_1938756629_n.jpg[/img]

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    41. Aisle424 41 Aisle424 says:

      Tim Ruskell ——–> unemployed

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    42. 42 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Aisle424:

      That’s a strong statement. Ruskell was Emery’s old boss.

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    43. WaLi 43 WaLi says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I would give you +1000 faget points, but I can’t yet, so instead I have to write this comment.

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    44. 44 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Word now is that Ruskell was not fired, but left by mutual agreement. Whether or not that is that case, the fact that that made it out of Halas Hall this quickly is yet another clear sign that the Bears are not going to allow even the perception of power when it comes to Emery. He makes a big move, and they move almost immediately to undercut it. Fucking Bears.

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    45. josh 45 josh says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Tim Ruskell ——–> unemployed

      I’m not familiar with the Bears front office. Can I blame this season on him? If so, I have a pitch fork that I can get to sharpening, but I’ll need to borrow someone’s torch.

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    46. mb21 46 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      All of the ratings plugins for the comments suck. I’ve tried several of them over the last few days and they’re just awful. Brett on Bleacher Nation said the same thing. He’s been looking for one for about a year and can’t find a decent one. I’ll look every once in awhile to see if a new one is developed, but none of the current ones are acceptable.

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    47. 47 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:

      Ruskell was Angelo’s assistant GM. He’s widely regarded as the man who wrecked the Seahawks roster, so naturally the Bears hired him, and until the Emery interview, he was going to be the GM.

      He’s certainly not the one to blame. Angelo built a shitty roster, and Cutler got hurt. That’s what happened this year. Strange that the Bears still don’t seem to undertand that that there’s a direct connection between those two things.

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    48. mb21 48 mb21 says:

      Tim, do you have that super friends image? I was going to add it to the same position, but can’t find it.

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    49. WaLi 49 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      Ah poop. So no ratings for the time being. Oh well.

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    50. 50 fang2415 says:

      Hey, there are chemistry nerds here right? Do any of you guys understand the polymerization process that might happen in cast-iron cookery?

      http://sherylcanter.com/wordpress/2010/01/a-science-based-technique-for-seasoning-cast-iron/#comment-1112

      This may seem off-topic now, but I’m sure MB will work it into a WAR metaphor within a month or two.

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    51. Aisle424 51 Aisle424 says:

      [img]http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SpyD3a2-crU/Tx8zXdSaFTI/AAAAAAAABw4/KDzn1KnTX8I/s640/new%2520superfriends.jpg[/img]

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    52. 52 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ fang2415:

      Not a chemistry geek, but I do a large percentage of my cooking in cast-iron. Just makes sure the pan is still hot when you rinse it, use kosher salt as your sole scouring agent, and lightly oil it with canola while it’s still warm, every time. Fucking flaxseed oil is expensive and unnecessary and breaking down and re-seasoning a cast-iron skillet is an incredibly arduous task.

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    53. Rice Cube 53 Rice Cube says:

      fang2415 wrote:

      Hey, there are chemistry nerds here right? Do any of you guys understand the polymerization process that might happen in cast-iron cookery?

      http://sherylcanter.com/wordpress/2010/01/a-science-based-technique-for-seasoning-cast-iron/#comment-1112

      This may seem off-topic now, but I’m sure MB will work it into a WAR metaphor within a month or two.

      I may be pulling stuff out of my ass here, but I think if you’re using veggie oil, for the most part those fatty acid side chains are polyunsaturated and thus could serve as frameworks for the cross-linking you described in your comment. I’m not sure if you even need a metal catalyst…if you get the pan hot enough while the oil is on it, there should be enough activation energy to get the reaction going.

      I don’t know if that answered your question at all and I’m just basing this off my now-rudimentary knowledge of organic chemistry. But cross-linking reactions definitely require molecules with double bonds and appropriate electron sinks to serve as electrophiles (ergo, need polyunsaturated fats).

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    54. 54 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      if you get the pan hot enough while the oil is on it, there should be enough activation energy to get the reaction going.

      Yep. Just make sure you rinse and oil while the pan is still hot, after every use, and you get a nice, strong non-stick surface.

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    55. Rice Cube 55 Rice Cube says:

      Honestly, I’d trust the guys who actually know how to cook instead of the chemfag who can only make Ramen (dying laughing)

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    56. 56 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Using flaxseed oil is the SIERA of cast-iron season techniques, in that it involves more effort to extract something no one really needed to begin with, or already knew how to do, with fewer steps and comparable results.

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    57. josh 57 josh says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Not a chemistry geek, but I do a large percentage of my cooking in cast-iron. Just makes sure the pan is still hot when you rinse it, use kosher salt as your sole scouring agent, and lightly oil it with canola while it’s still warm, every time. Fucking flaxseed oil is expensive and unnecessary and breaking down and re-seasoning a cast-iron skillet is an incredibly arduous task.

      I’ve been doing this wrong on every count. Do you just dump some salt on a rag and go to town? I sometimes use this little plastic scrubber, after I read that using the copper scrubber wasn’t such a good idea.

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    58. Rice Cube 58 Rice Cube says:

      Pat Burrell —> retiring

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    59. 59 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ josh:
      While the pan is still hot, put a bit of hot water in it, swirl that around, toss in a small handful of kosher salt, then use a plastic dish brush (I keep a special brush that has never had soap on it for this) to scour the pan. You’ll need an oven glove to hold onto the pan. Rinse the pan and repeat if necessary. Once it’s clean, dry the pan, and oil it immediately, then put it back on the still-warm stove to dry.

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    60. 60 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Pat Burrell —> retiring

      From baseball. Will now probably dedicate himself to the only pursuit in which he can still employ his nickname.

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    61. GW 61 GW says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Honestly, I’d trust the guys who actually know how to cook instead of the chemfag who can only make Ramen (dying laughing)

      i trust the chemists at dupont (dying laughing)

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    62. Rice Cube 62 Rice Cube says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Pat Burrell —> retiring

      From baseball. Will now probably dedicate himself to the only pursuit in which he can still employ his nickname.

      [img]http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1906/roosevelt_laughing_photo.jpg[/img]

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    63. Berselius 63 Berselius says:

      Ugh, I need to be less lazy about my cast iron

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    64. 64 fang2415 says:

      Yeah, I’ve currently got a pan seasoned with lard and cooking oil that I just wipe down and heat-dry after use. It’s kinda sorta non-stick, and it looks like the left-hand picture at the top of that page. But in order to convince my girlfriend to use it, it’s going to have to look like the right-hand picture. (dying laughing) I’m willing to go through the whole process of reseasoning as long as it’s actually right.

      RC, I think the main thing I’m after is whether cross-linking and polymerization is the same thing or whether there’s some way to polymerize oil without cross-linking. The guy at http://sherylcanter.com/wordpress/2010/01/a-science-based-technique-for-seasoning-cast-iron/#comment-1080 reckons that the ideal temperature to season with flax oil is between 200C and 240C, since above that the oil heat-bodies. The paper he links says that too, but it doesn’t explain heat-bodying and it looks like it’s just the same as cross-linking?

      After reading the paper my best guess is that what they’re saying is that for some reason the Diels-Alder reaction will produce the best finish, and since that happens between 200 and 270C, you should shoot for 240. But that seems to contradict a bunch of other shit they say about cross-linking…

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    65. 65 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      It’ll look like the right -hand pic until you use it. And then I imagine it’ll go right back to looking like a cast-iron skillet that’s been used to cook food. (dying laughing)

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    66. GW 66 GW says:

      RC, I think the main thing I’m after is whether cross-linking and polymerization is the same thing or whether there’s some way to polymerize oil without cross-linking.

      polymers are long chains of repeating subunits. cross links are connections between chains

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    67. Rice Cube 67 Rice Cube says:

      I always thought you wanted a cross-linking reaction to coat the bottom of your pan with a fine film of cooking oil.

      It seems similar to what you’d get if you had a Teflon coated pan.

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    68. 68 fang2415 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      It’ll look like the right -hand pic until you use it. And then it’ll go right back to looking like a cast-iron skillet that’s been used to cook food. (dying laughing)

      Have you actually tried it with flaxseed oil?

      Mine has just always looked like the left-hand pic. I initially seasoned it with lard, which apparently worked 100 years ago back when lard had omega-3s in it. As the author says, I think there’s tons of ways to get a sorta-good seasoning, but not as many ways to get it actually-good.

      Oh, and I already found some cheap flax oil. And I’m unemployed. So I might as well spend an entire week doing this. (dying laughing)

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    69. Rice Cube 69 Rice Cube says:

      GW wrote:

      RC, I think the main thing I’m after is whether cross-linking and polymerization is the same thing or whether there’s some way to polymerize oil without cross-linking.

      polymers are long chains of repeating subunits. cross links are connections between chains

      I think in the previous post I submitted, Teflon is definitely a polymer whereas the fat molecules being chemically modified would be a cross-link reaction without forming a true polymer.

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    70. 70 fang2415 says:

      GW wrote:

      RC, I think the main thing I’m after is whether cross-linking and polymerization is the same thing or whether there’s some way to polymerize oil without cross-linking.
      polymers are long chains of repeating subunits. cross links are connections between chains

      Rice Cube wrote:

      I always thought you wanted a cross-linking reaction to coat the bottom of your pan with a fine film of cooking oil.
      It seems similar to what you’d get if you had a Teflon coated pan.

      Yep these are exactly what I thought. What I’m trying to figure out is these two lines from the paper that guy linked:

      (iii) Without the addition of metallic catalysts and under a dry-air purge, soybean oil and linseed oil start to thermally polymerize when the temperature is above 230 and 200C, respectively. This observation is consistent with the suggested temperature (240C) of thermal isomerization for triglycerides. In order to minimize the rate heat bodying, the temperature should not be over 240C.

      (iv) Without the addition of metallic catalysts. and under a dry-air purge. linseed oil and soybean oil start to cross-link when the temperature is above 270 0 e and 300°C. respectively.

      Huh? So if cross-linking is good, why do we want to stay under the temperature where it starts to happen? And how can polymerization happen at 200 when cross-linking doesn’t begin until 270?

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    71. 71 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ fang2415:
      I’ve never broken it down all the way and used flaxseed oil. The one time I broke it down, I re-seasoned it by baking it three times with a crisco and lard coating. I’ve tried flaxseed oil, though, and the results don’t seem exceptional. Certainly not worth the effort of breaking it down. A pan that’s used regularly will look like a pan that’s used regularly. There aren’t any magic tricks here.

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    72. 72 fang2415 says:

      GW wrote:

      polymers are long chains of repeating subunits. cross links are connections between chains

      (dying laughing), I only just now comprehended this. So if you want an oil to form a hard protective film on something (like paint on steel, or nonstick seasoning on a pan), is there some reason you’d prefer un-cross-linked polymers?

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    73. 73 fang2415 says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      @ fang2415:
      There aren’t any magic tricks here.

      (dying laughing) @ TLR of cast-iron seasoning

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    74. josh 74 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      I’ve been looking through comment upgrades. It seems like either they don’t work, or they want you to sign up for a separate service. There’s one called IntenseDebate that offers some of the correct functionality, but requires signup and export, so they’re actually hosting your comments, which seems dubious, to me. Surely there’s a way to do this, if you know php.

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    75. Mish 75 Mish says:

      This was fun to look at, hopefully SK can figure out what it’s about.

      http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/1/30/2758481/the-top-25-pitchers-in-baseball-how-they-were-seen-as-prospects

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    76. 76 fang2415 says:

      FWIW, apparently Cook’s Illustrated tested Canter’s method and was very impressed — http://www.cooksillustrated.com/howto/login.asp?docid=26897 if you subscribe / care. (dying laughing)

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    77. josh 77 josh says:

      Mish wrote:

      This was fun to look at, hopefully SK can figure out what it’s about.
      http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/1/30/2758481/the-top-25-pitchers-in-baseball-how-they-were-seen-as-prospects

      No love for CJ, I guess.

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    78. Rice Cube 78 Rice Cube says:

      Josh’s “Hope Monster” is one of the funnier Cub-related things I’ve ever seen on the interwebs.

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    79. josh 79 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I appreciate it. I don’t know if there will be even much reason to hope for this year.

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    80. Rodrigo Ramirez 80 Rodrigo Ramirez says:

      Thanks to the elaborate, and boring, discussion of how to clean a fucking pan I’m now incrediblly sad there are no negative faget points to distribute.

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    81. Rice Cube 81 Rice Cube says:

      josh wrote:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I appreciate it. I don’t know if there will be even much reason to hope for this year.

      I’ve shared your site (along with OVBlog of course) on our blog roll and facebook page. It’s a very solid idea. Looking forward to more.

      And as for hope, hope that the minor leagues will improve and that they have a good draft in June (dying laughing)

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    82. 82 fang2415 says:

      Rodrigo Ramirez wrote:

      Thanks to the elaborate, and boring, discussion of how to clean a fucking pan I’m now incrediblly sad there are no negative faget points to distribute.

      (dying laughing) usually when the chemfags start doing their thing here my eyes glaze over. I wanted to get in on some action I could actually understand this time. (dying laughing)

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    83. mb21 84 mb21 says:

      Berselius wrote:

      Ugh, I need to be less lazy about my cast iron

      The cast iron I have was my great grandmother’s. All I do is clean it with salt from time to time and keep it oiled. That’s kept in good shape for over 100 years.

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    84. mb21 85 mb21 says:

      @ josh:
      It would require some javascript, but the ones I’ve tried are so overloaded with features and unnecessary code that there’s just no way we’re going to use that plugin. I like the +/- as much as everyone else, but not at the expense of site security and performance.

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    85. mb21 86 mb21 says:

      @ Rodrigo Ramirez:
      (dying laughing)

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    86. Dr. Aneus Taint 87 Dr. Aneus Taint says:

      [img]http://i.imgur.com/8eYcu.jpg[/img]

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    87. WaLi 88 WaLi says:

      @ Rodrigo Ramirez:
      He seems excited.

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    88. 90 DamageControlFreak says:

      fang2415 wrote:

      Yep these are exactly what I thought. What I’m trying to figure out is these two lines from the paper that guy linked:
      (iii) Without the addition of metallic catalysts and under a dry-air purge, soybean oil and linseed oil start to thermally polymerize when the temperature is above 230 and 200C, respectively. This observation is consistent with the suggested temperature (240C) of thermal isomerization for triglycerides. In order to minimize the rate heat bodying, the temperature should not be over 240C.
      (iv) Without the addition of metallic catalysts. and under a dry-air purge. linseed oil and soybean oil start to cross-link when the temperature is above 270 0 e and 300°C. respectively.
      Huh? So if cross-linking is good, why do we want to stay under the temperature where it starts to happen? And how can polymerization happen at 200 when cross-linking doesn’t begin until 270?

      I haven’t read the actual paper, but I think what they want to say is this: At 240 C, the thermally induced isomerization of triglycerides starts. This happens all over the place if the temp is reached. However when the reaction is expedited by a catalyst, it can happen at a lower temp, i.e. 200C, BUT ONLY where it’s in contact with the catalyst. This way, they might be able to control the reaction to happen only at the surface of the iron, which is exactly what you want with your cast iron pan.

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    89. 92 fang2415 says:

      @ DamageControlFreak:
      Eh, I don’t think the catalyst is that important, actually. The catalysts they used in the experiment were cobalt, zirconium, and calcium, and they were mixed into the oil before applying it to steel. When they use the catalysts, the polymerization starts at like 90C. I think that stuff would be in hardware-grade linseed oil but not food-safe flaxseed oil.

      I do get the impression that nobody out there really understands the seasoning process completely, so everybody is just muddling through with whatever their granny used. There’s plenty of “success” stories, but they all contradict each other, and nobody seems to be too confident about the science behind it, on the web at least.

      Incidentally, the solution to Rodrigo’s problem is for there to be some fucking Cubs news.

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    90. Berselius 93 Berselius says:

      WaLi wrote:

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/carolina-panthers.html
      Huge changes for Carolina Panthers Logo.

      [img]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0168e65e6bc2970c-800wi[/img]

      I’m going to miss this logo, it always looks like it belongs on the back of a Starter Jacket circa 1992 (dying laughing)

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    91. josh 94 josh says:

      Berselius wrote:

      I’m going to miss this logo, it always looks like it belongs on the back of a Starter Jacket circa 1992 (dying laughing)

      Was that the same font used on the cover of Hard to Kill?

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    92. josh 95 josh says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ josh:
      It would require some javascript, but the ones I’ve tried are so overloaded with features and unnecessary code that there’s just no way we’re going to use that plugin. I like the +/- as much as everyone else, but not at the expense of site security and performance.

      Yeah, I’m convinced now that I’ve spending the morning on it.

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    93. 96 DamageControlFreak says:

      fang2415 wrote:

      @ DamageControlFreak:
      Eh, I don’t think the catalyst is that important, actually. The catalysts they used in the experiment were cobalt, zirconium, and calcium, and they were mixed into the oil before applying it to steel. When they use the catalysts, the polymerization starts at like 90C. I think that stuff would be in hardware-grade linseed oil but not food-safe flaxseed oil.
      I do get the impression that nobody out there really understands the seasoning process completely, so everybody is just muddling through with whatever their granny used. There’s plenty of “success” stories, but they all contradict each other, and nobody seems to be too confident about the science behind it, on the web at least.
      Incidentally, the solution to Rodrigo’s problem is for there to be some fucking Cubs news.

      Well, like I said, I haven’t read the article, I’m just guessing. I still think the catalyst probably IS important, because catalyst chemistry is always surface chemistry, and surface chemistry is what this seems to be all about. If the actual catalyst is Co, then the steel could as a redox partner (aka activator) for the catalyst, so it still might be about the steel surface.
      However, you are definitely right that nobody really understands 100% of what is going on. Each type of oil consists of dozens if not hundreds of different substances, so it’s impossible to factor in everything.

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    94. Rice Cube 97 Rice Cube says:

      DamageControlFreak wrote:

      fang2415 wrote:

      @ DamageControlFreak:
      Eh, I don’t think the catalyst is that important, actually. The catalysts they used in the experiment were cobalt, zirconium, and calcium, and they were mixed into the oil before applying it to steel. When they use the catalysts, the polymerization starts at like 90C. I think that stuff would be in hardware-grade linseed oil but not food-safe flaxseed oil.
      I do get the impression that nobody out there really understands the seasoning process completely, so everybody is just muddling through with whatever their granny used. There’s plenty of “success” stories, but they all contradict each other, and nobody seems to be too confident about the science behind it, on the web at least.
      Incidentally, the solution to Rodrigo’s problem is for there to be some fucking Cubs news.

      Well, like I said, I haven’t read the article, I’m just guessing. I still think the catalyst probably IS important, because catalyst chemistry is always surface chemistry, and surface chemistry is what this seems to be all about. If the actual catalyst is Co, then the steel could as a redox partner (aka activator) for the catalyst, so it still might be about the steel surface.
      However, you are definitely right that nobody really understands 100% of what is going on. Each type of oil consists of dozens if not hundreds of different substances, so it’s impossible to factor in everything.

      You can’t measure the grittiness or grindiness of cooking oils with your fagety spreadsheets.

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    95. WaLi 98 WaLi says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      (dying laughing)

      This is the worst thing that has ever happened to this blog.

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    96. Mish 99 Mish says:

      I’ve been busy today; I’m glad you guys are talking uselessness today. Nothing to catch up on later.

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    97. 100 fang2415 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

      +1 NAMBLA

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    98. josh 101 josh says:

      Apparently, the Cubs just signed the lesser Gonzalez brother.

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    99. josh 102 josh says:

      And Matt Tolbert. I guess there’s going to be a knife fight for 2B this season.

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    100. WenningtonsGorillaCock 103 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      [img]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/wrehgSLRidi0K0empbqO5A–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTQ1MA–/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexperts/Squirrel-Topps-2012.jpg[/img]

      (dying laughing)

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/skip-schumaker-baseball-card-features-rally-squirrel-not-190252048.html

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    101. WenningtonsGorillaCock 104 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      WenningtonsGorillaCock wrote:

      (dying laughing)

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/skip-schumaker-baseball-card-features-rally-squirrel-not-190252048.html

      Seems neither the dying laughing macro nor the ability to post pictures work for me at the moment

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    102. Rice Cube 105 Rice Cube says:

      [img]http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexperts/Squirrel-Topps-2012.jpg[/img]

      Assist.

      It wasn’t you, Mr. GorillaCock. It was the URL itself, I just took out the first part of it and it came out okay.

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    103. WaLi 106 WaLi says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      (dying laughing) macro works if it is lower case. mb is still working on other variations.

      Click on the link below the “submit comment” button to post a pic.

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    104. josh 107 josh says:

      Click the link or use open and closed “[ img ]” “[ /img ]” tags around the pic url.

      [img]http://www.artoshirt.net/media/00/a20791612e825f6eca6881_m.jpg[/img]

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    105. Rice Cube 108 Rice Cube says:

      He did. The image URL was fubar’d and that’s why it didn’t work. Probably to discourage hot-linking.

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    106. mb21 109 mb21 says:

      macro works for uppercase L-O-L

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    107. WenningtonsGorillaCock 110 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      That was a lot of collective effort just to post a squirrel picture (dying laughing)

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    108. SVB 112 SkipVB says:

      I have no idea why my comment above is linked to the Yahoo article after the blockquote. Could be I’m not too good with html. Or maybe the crosslinks didn’t polymerize correctly.

      Please note the baseball content though. (dying laughing)

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    109. Suburban kid 113 Suburban kid says:

      Mish wrote:

      I’ve been busy today; I’m glad you guys are talking uselessness today. Nothing to catch up on later.

      I was busy too. Could you summarize it all for me? Kthanks

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    110. GBTS 114 GBTS says:

      [img]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418917_924610261843_38204439_39830812_1850431308_n.jpg[/img]

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    111. GW 115 GW says:

      (dying laughing)

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    112. WaLi 117 WaLi says:

      @ GBTS:
      (dying laughing)

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    113. mb21 118 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      (dying laughing)

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    114. Suburban kid 119 Suburban kid says:

      INCORRECT is the new BUZZZZ! WRONG

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    115. Suburban kid 120 Suburban kid says:

      @ Mish:
      INCORRECT

      Cucumbers don’t have emotions, Mish.

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    116. Suburban kid 121 Suburban kid says:

      @ mb21:
      I’ve never had a Dead convo with you. I’m not going to now, but your fucking facebook Avatar just put Dead music in my mind. The particular song is Deal, which occurs to me could be a theme song for when there’s a rumored Cubs transaction fluttering up the blogz.

      I like a lot of their cover versions of recent songs, like Not Fade Away, I Know You Rider, and Going Down the Road Feeling Bad.

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    117. GBTS 122 GBTS says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      @ Mish:
      INCORRECT
      Cucumbers don’t have emotions, Mish.

      They might if they go up your ass.

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    118. mb21 123 mb21 says:

      Suburban kid wrote:

      @ mb21:
      I’ve never had a Dead convo with you. I’m not going to now, but your fucking facebook Avatar just put Dead music in my mind. The particular song is Deal, which occurs to me could be a theme song for when there’s a rumored Cubs transaction fluttering up the blogz.
      I like a lot of their cover versions of recent songs, like Not Fade Away, and Going Down the Road Feeling Bad.

      You’re not? (dying laughing)

      I have a Dead song stuck in my head every day. My phone has about 1700 songs on it and more than half are Dead songs. Well, Dead songs and other bands they were associated with at one time or another.

      Don’t know how much a Dead fan you are, but Dark Star Orchestra kicks ass: http://www.darkstarorchestra.net/NEWSITE/HTML/dso.php?sec=music

      They have their concerts online a day after they play.

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    119. mb21 124 mb21 says:

      The recent music by the Dead that I’ve been enjoying over the past few days is when the Dead was called Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions.

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    120. Suburban kid 125 Suburban kid says:

      Cool. I have some Warlocks shit, didn’t realize there was earlier stuff. Anyway, I’m not having this convo right now.

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    121. WaLi 126 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      It’s not as recent, but I really enjoy anything by JGB. Jerry had a way of playing covers that is magical. I’d listen to any cover played by JG over the original any day.

      Also yeah, DSO kicks ass. If you are ever in Tampa on a Thursday night, there is this band called Uncle John’s Band who is pretty amazing as well.

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    122. Suburban kid 127 Suburban kid says:

      GBTS wrote:

      Suburban kid wrote:
      @ Mish:
      INCORRECT
      Cucumbers don’t have emotions, Mish.

      They might if they go up your ass.

      Between the cucumbers and my ass, it wouldn’t be the cucumbers feeling angry.

      (As Jack Benny often said in these situations, “I can go along with a gag, sister”)

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    123. Suburban kid 128 Suburban kid says:

      SK out, fuckfaces!

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    124. mb21 129 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      JGB is really good. I’m a huge fan of the stuff Garcia and David Grisman did.

      I’ve heard Uncle John’s Band is a good cover band. As good as DSO?

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    125. Suburban kid 130 Suburban kid says:

      mb21 wrote:

      The recent music by the Dead that I’ve been enjoying over the past few days is when the Dead was called Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions.

      Even the Dead has won a championship in the last 104 years.

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    126. mb21 131 mb21 says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      (dying laughing) who hasn’t? I was a part of two Little League teams that won city championships. (dying laughing)

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    127. mb21 132 mb21 says:

      Manny Corpas got a non-roster invite to spring training

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    128. WaLi 133 WaLi says:

      @ mb21:
      Hah I had just put on Garcia and Grisman’s “Been All Around This World” CD

      I’m a little biased because I’ve seen UJB more ofton, but yeah I’d say they are as good as DSO. They play in this cool venue/restaurant Skipper’s Smokehouse. For $8 you can’t beat it.

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    129. mb21 134 mb21 says:

      @ WaLi:
      I was listening to Shady Grove earlier today. I haven’t listened to Been All Around This World for awhile. I’ll have to listen to it now.

      If I get down there I’ll check UJB out. Sounds fun.

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    130. Aisle424 135 Aisle424 says:

      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    131. Mish 136 Mish says:

      Well this is quite the thread.

      I do really like the Dead but am nowhere near as familiar as you guys. I’m usually too out of my mind when I hear them to remember songs/albums beyond the obvious ones (Sugar Magnolias, Shakedown Street, etc)

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    132. Aisle424 137 Aisle424 says:

      MB is about to recently enjoy Dallas again for real.

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    133. mb21 138 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      (dying laughing) I’ll have to watch at least the first episode or two. Can’t imagine it’s worth a shit, but I was a big fan of the original.

      TNT now needs to do a remake of Twin Peaks so I can say I recently enjoyed that show.

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    134. mb21 139 mb21 says:

      @ Mish:
      Surely you’re familiar with Uncle John’s Band, Terrapin Station, I know You Rider, Casey Jones and probably several other of the more popular tunes they did.

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    135. 140 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      I tend to listen to older stuff that the dead were “covering”/jamming, and have only listened to them sporadically to be honest, but I didn’t hate it. I’m kind of a purist/asshole, so I just prefer old recordings of Ole Time, blues, etc. anyway. I think being from the appalachian mountains makes us kinda resent people from other places who play that kind of music that has alot of place and culture surrounding it (not that its not globalized now anyway), even thought that is completely irrational.

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    136. Rice Cube 141 Rice Cube says:

      @ Aisle424:

      I’ve always liked Miss Piggy.

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    137. 142 Recalcitrant Blogger Nate says:

      Matt Stairs——-> Red Sox (announcer)

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    138. Mish 143 Mish says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ Mish:
      Surely you’re familiar with Uncle John’s Band, Terrapin Station, I know You Rider, Casey Jones and probably several other of the more popular tunes they did.

      Yes I know all those.

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    139. mb21 144 mb21 says:

      @ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
      I really like the music you’re talking about too, Nate. I don’t know why you’d resent them though. Jerry Garcia loved Appalachian music and often played it. If I was from Appalachia, I’d think that’s pretty fucking cool.

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