Cubs 8, Reds 1 (4/22/16)

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OSS: Cubs hit two homers in the rain and cruise to victory

Three up

  1. Rizzo homered for his third straight game, and added two walks as well. The Cubs were very patient in general today, drawing five walks and pushing the Reds starter's pitch count up around 100 by the end of the fifth inning. They're just a meat grinder for opposing bullpens. Thursday's long-ish reliever found himself DFA'd after the game, We'll see if the Cubs can force any more roster sacrifices for the sake of warm bodies to pitch to them.
  2. Javy Baez homered on a laser beam of a line drive that probably never got much more than five feet above the height of the wall on its whole trajectory (dying laughing). He scored two runs that his baserunning helped set up, including a sucessfully exectued suicide squeeze with the help of David Ross, and looked pretty great in the field too at 3b. I'm glad Maddon has been giving him so much playing time thus far.
  3. Jon Lester had a solid start, as uneventful as they come until the Reds got their first two runners on in the fifth. Billy Hamilton fill-in Tyler Holt nearly hit into a triple play to get him out of it, but he retired the last batter without incident. Aside from a solo shot by Dusty Baker lucky charm Zack Cozart, Lester cruied the rest of the way without incident. His final line was 7 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 4 K, and he had a couple of good swings of the bat too.

Three down

  1. The game turned into a laugher after the Cubs back-to-back-to-back doubles in the ninth, but before that the Cubs had Jon Lester bat for himself in the seventh. He went on to pitch another inning against the back half of the Reds lineup before his day was done. I guess is what the nitpicking theme of the season is going to be.
  2. The Cubs only particularly significant negative WPA play was Zobrist's flyout to end the first inning with runners on first and second. It's always great when you can pounce on a shaky starter early, especially when he's already issued two walks in the inning.
  3. Joey Votto is very good at baseball, but so far that's not the case in 2016. Grounding into a double play to 2b in the PA following another grounder to 2b that resulted in losing one's shit in the dugout can't be a great feeling. Or having that happen a day after a 16-0 no-hit loss. 

Next up: Lackey v Straily, 6:05 PM CT

 

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  1. Rice in limbo

    I get why folks are antsy about pitchers batting for themselves late in the game, but other than Arrieta’s no-hitter I don’t think any of the starters have had to throw much more than 100 pitches in most outings this season despite eating all the innings. I wonder of anyone has done a stress/leverage analysis to accompany the pitch count observation.

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  2. dmick89

    Rice in limbo,

    I haven’t looked at the pinch hitting for the pitchers issue by even primarily looking at the number of pitches thrown. I’m sure some have, but as you said, most pitchers haven’t thrown that many pitches so it really hasn’t been an issue and I’m confident high pitch count games will not become one because of Maddon. I think he does a very good job with limiting high pitch outings.

    Times through the order is the much more important thing at issue here. By the time these pitchers come up for the 2nd and especially the 3rd time through the order, they’re looking at facing the opposing team a 3rd time through the order. The batter has the advantage on the pitcher at this point. For guys like Lackey, Hammel and Hendricks, this is a really big deal. What it means is that there’s pretty much any of the 16 relievers currently on the Cubs roster who would more than likely be in a better position to retire batters at that point. In other words, just about any other pitcher on the Cubs roster would be a better pitcher (reliever only facing a few batters vs starter the 3rd time through the order or worse, a 4th time through the order). For Arrieta and Lester it’s a bit more complicated. They’re so good (especially Arrieta) that the point at which the reliever is more effective than the starter 3rd time through is going to require a more talented reliever.

    Then there’s the advantage of using a position player in a plate appearance over a pitcher, which is considerable.

    Anyway, berselius is right that it’s nitpicking, but it’s a valid complaint. Joe has most certainly made several wrong calls when it comes to pinch hitting for pitchers in the sense that it has hurt the Cubs. Not a great deal, but any net negative is a bad play. Make those decisions enough over the course of 162 and it adds up and based on last season and this, I see no reason to believe that Joe won’t continue to make poor decisions when it comes to pinch hitting for the pitchers. It’s frustrating because otherwise, Joe is a mostly fantastic manager.

    If I had any other complaint about Joe at this point it’s the 8-man bullpen. There’s as much reason for the Cubs to have 8 in the bullpen as there is for them to have an entire roster filled with relievers. The relievers that they currently have are all struggling to get work. I’m guessing they would have to DFA someone and don’t want to do that, but they’re wasting a roster spot right now and are unable to even get Hector Rondon in a game for more than a week when they’re winning games.

    I suspect very few people actually care about the whole pinch hitting thing. Pitchers batting doesn’t bother many National League fans so I don’t see any reason why this would be different. The vast majority of people just don’t care even though they’ll argue the strategy added for this very thing (pinch hitting for pitchers) is what separates the DH and non-DH league.

    It’s something Joe isn’t very good at. It irritates me when it happens, but it’s not a big deal. Joe is a great manager despite this and I don’t expect him to be perfect. Truthfully, I find it a bit funny at this point since it’s so predictable. Every pitcher gets that one last AB to go out there and get another out, maybe 3. In Lester’s case, I didn’t really have a problem with it since it was the bottom half of the order. Probably the better move to pinch hit, but it’s close enough that it wasn’t a big deal.

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  3. Smokestack Lightning

    Cubs 3rd order win percentage just about to break the .900 mark. Meanwhile, real win percentage sits at a much, much weaker .765.

    As usual, the Cubes find some way to underachieve. #FireTheo

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  4. Smokestack Lightning

    dmick89: If I had any other complaint about Joe at this point it’s the 8-man bullpen.

    It’s easier to stomach if you view the bullpen as paid spectators.

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  5. Rice in limbo

    dmick89,

    I think Maddon is much more willing to PH for the bottom 3 than Arrieta or Lester but that might just be my lying eyes. I also think he may be taking advantage of the soft April schedule to keep the pen fresh as part of a longer term strategy. At some point you assume Arrieta or Lester (and especially the other guys) will get torched, and that’s when you get the benefits of saving the bullets in those bullpen arms.

    I also think the times through the order thing is much more significant after the top 2 guys, but so far it seems like Maddon is just trying to stretch guys out with lower stress outings early on.

    It’d be a hell of a lot easier if they had the DH, of course.

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    berselius

    dmick89,

    In the case of last night’s game I think of it more as long term strategy than a single game’s W-L tactics. The Cubs had a three-run lead against a bad team, they have a giant pen that needs some work, and have stated in general that they want to give their top players more rest.

    In Joe’s defense maybe pulling Lester there would bother Lester too much, and the roster stuff prevents them from just bringing up another position player while the pitchers are cruising like this. It would be nice to have a better pinch hitter than Tommy La Stella as the first guy off the bench, which is another thing the Cubs lost when Schwarber went down.

    Anyway it me the guy complaining about a 13-4 team that’s outscoring opponents by an average of four runs a game (dying laughing).

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    berselius

    Rice in limbo: At some point you assume Arrieta or Lester (and especially the other guys) will get torched,

    You’re making the mistake of assuming that Jake Arrieta is even human (dying laughing)

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  8. dmick89

    Rice in limbo: At some point you assume Arrieta or Lester (and especially the other guys) will get torched, and that’s when you get the benefits of saving the bullets in those bullpen arms.

    Maybe. Could just as easily be more rusty than you’d like because of the lack of regular work. I don’t know. I’d rather have that extra position player, but I’d also go to a 6-man bullpen if I was in charge so feel free to ignore me.

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  9. dmick89

    berselius: In Joe’s defense maybe pulling Lester there would bother Lester too much, and the roster stuff prevents them from just bringing up another position player while the pitchers are cruising like this.

    Yeah, we know it does with Hammel (or did last year anyway). I imagine it would be the same with Lester and Arrieta and I’m Ok going with Joe’s decision on that. He knows these guys and it’s his job to manage the player as much as it is for him to manage the game. I think it was the Hendricks game when they were down 5-1 and Hendricks batted in the 5th. That was just a terrible decision made even worse when you factor in how rested the bullpen is. Many of the others we’ve talked about here have mostly been inconsequential (thanks to being 13-4 (dying laughing)).

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  10. dmick89

    berselius: You’re making the mistake of assuming that Jake Arrieta is even human (dying laughing)

    You said this as a joke, but I was thinking about it, Jake Arrieta 3rd time through the order against an average offense (let’s say 2 righties and 1 lefty due up), what reliever is good enough to be expected to be better than Arrieta at that point? Strop? I’m not sure. Rondon? More than likely. And that’s if we’ve somehow finally pinpointed Jake Arrieta’s true talent level and I’m not sure we have. That’s incredible.

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    berselius

    dmick89,

    The Effetively Wild guys pointed out that on a per inning basis Arrieta as a starter has been even better than Wade Davis as a reliever over the same stretch.

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  12. dmick89

    Ross seems to be going all out this year. I don’t remember him doing much on the bases last year, but this year I can remember at least a few things already. Not that he’s a good baserunner or anything, but he just seems to be taking the extra base more often. I hope he continues to have a good season. That would be a great story in what is likely to be a team filled with great stories this season.

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  13. Rice Cube

    dmick89,

    I probably would’ve pinch hit for him then, too. I think the long outlook dictates that you keep the starter stretched out, so that’s why he still ate five innings and change. The lack of save opportunities for Rondon is kind of hilarious in that he only has something like two saves and this is likely going to cost him next time through arbitration haha.

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  14. Rizzo the Rat

    dmick89,

    How much it bothers me depends on the situation. Letting Lester hit with a 3-run lead wasn’t a big deal. On the other hand, letting Hendricks hit with the tying run at third was a disastrous decision in itself, compounded by the fact that Hendricks got clobbered the third time through the order (as he often does). That was about as bad a decision as a manager can make and it pissed me off.

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  15. Rizzo the Rat

    I also try to be sympathetic to the fact that pitchers hate to be pulled early and teams have to keep their players happy to some extent. e.g., would Lester have signed with the Cubs if he thought he would have gotten pulled in the sixth inning in most of his starts?

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  16. cerulean

    Here are last year’s splits on times through the order for Arrieta. Curiously his OPS Against was a point better on the third time through than the second: .540 and the BABIP was even lower than quoted above at .251.

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    berselius

    To-day’s base ball squadron

    Fowler
    Heyward
    Bryant (LF)
    Rizzo
    Zobrist
    Montero
    Baez (3b)
    Russell
    Lackey

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  18. cerulean

    Rizzo the Rat,

    If he were at 97 pitches like Straily, definitely. But 71 pitches is maybe a bit soon. However, if the Cubs would utilize their super-utility pitchers the way some have imagined, that would be the right move, but I think they would have to do some convincing.

    EDIT: Maybe that would help convince a stubborn dude like Lackey.

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    berselius

    To-day’s base ball squadron

    2b la stella
    Cf Heyward
    3b Bryant
    1b Rizzo
    Rf Soler
    C Montero
    LF szczur
    SS Russell
    P Hammel

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  20. Suburban kid

    I have 7,743 songs (or sound clips) in my library

    There are 48 Bowie songs (0.6%)
    There are 12 Prince songs (0.15%)

    So what are the odds of me listening on random today and a Bowie song is followed by a Prince song?

    Maybe your math can explain that, but what about this: the next song was St. James Infirmary Blues — a famous English/American folk song about death.

    Probabilities can fuck off, that was God’s own DJ controlling my shuffle.

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    berselius

    Suburban kid: So what are the odds of me listening on random today and a Bowie song is followed by a Prince song?

    Let’s assume you leave your playlist up for 12 hours today, and that the average length of a song is 3 minutes and 30 seconds, which seems reasonable by the googles. That means about 206 songs, so on average just one would be a Bowie song, which makes this easy. The chance of a Prince song coming up next would then be around 0.15%, or about a 1 in 666 chance.

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  22. Suburban kid

    berselius,

    That’s lower odds than I thought, but then I would normally (and today) only have it playing for one hour, not 12 hours.

    Fair fucks to you for figuring that out.

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  23. Suburban kid

    I wonder why Joe didn’t put Szczur in CF and leave Heyward and Soler in their usual positions (for this year)

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  24. cerulean

    I think Hammel is channeling Arrieta. Curiously, his bugbear last year was the first inning, thus the first time through the order—he was much better the second and third times through, though a bit wilder and a bit unlucky. Maybe that second half mechanical/injury issue is fixed.

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  25. Rizzo the Rat

    I should have said he kept his FIP at -.093, since no walks, 2 K’s is just an average inning for him so far.

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