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  • Marlon Byrd is not a .091 hitter, and other observations about slumps and trade value – UPDATED

    We're all disappointed by the production so far of many of the Cubs offensive players, most notably Marlon Byrd and Geovany Soto. Byrd has a wOBA of .091 on the season, and Geo has a .232 wOBA which looks much better by comparison (still not great). The slow starts for both players have led to much complaining on the hypertweetoblogosphere whenever one or both players end up in the lineup. Have these slow starts really crippled their trade value?

    It's important to keep in mind that these two players have on 37 and 31 plate appearances respectively. Going into the season, they were projected by ZiPS to hit .323 and .334. Have thirty-odd plate appearances made that much of a difference? We also have years of data for both players to draw on, and based on that info ZiPS's updated projections for both players have dropped by 12 points (for Byrd) and 6 points (for Soto). That certainly hurts, but they're just a hot streak away from pushing that dial back up (cue rebuttal about Gambler's Fallacy). Well, we can't really count on that, but I don't think anyone thinks these slumps will last forever.

    One thing that could explain it is simple bad luck. Byrd had a .077 BABIP, and Soto's stands at .143. Looking at line drive rates, both of them are making credible contact with reasonable (18.2% for Soto vs 20.3 % career) to very good (24% for Byrd vs 20% career) results. In fact, in the small sample size we've seen so far Geo's batted ball percentages are almost spot on what they were last year. Byrd has been hitting a ton of grounders. but even ground balls aren't going to give you a sub-.100 babip. Bothe players are striking out more than usual, but a casual look at the numbers just suggests that both guys ain't hitting it where they ain't. Given those BABIP numbers and other batted ball rates I think there's reason to be optimistic beyond the ZiPS updated projections.

    It's tougher to evaluate where they are from a scouting perspective, since we don't have an army of scouts or a framework in which we can quantify any scouting data. Byrd especially has been described as "looking lost" at the plate, but that's what happens when a player is slumping. Unless we have data that he is injured (unlikely) or has changed his approach after being hit in the face last year (a little more likely), all we know is that he's hitting poorly right now, but that doesn't mean he'll be hitting poorly tomorrow, or next week, or next month.

    As far as trade value goes, the downgrade in his numbers does hurt his value. But there's not that much to begin with anyway. Byrd is being paid $6.5m this year. His preseason ZiPS projection called for 531 PAs at .323 wOBA. Assuming he's average defensively (which is about fair) he was projected to be worth ~1.2 WAR, prorated to 1 WAR over the rest of the season. With the updated projection he's projectied to be worth 0.6 WAR for the rest of the season. Given his contract the Cubs were going to have to send money along to get anything worth a damn for Byrd anyway, his doesn't change that fact.

    If any potential Byrd trade partner is making a decision on acquiring him based on the last two weeks, I'd be surprised. And if they are, I hope the Cubs tleverage that and alk to them about moving any other players that have been on a hot streak over the last two weeks.

    UPDATE 4/19

    After posting this I wondered if there were other, league-related reasons why Byrd's and Soto's projections would drop so much. I asked ZiPS creator and quasi-papal figure Dan Szymborski about this

     

    It appears that the ~7000 PA or so across the National League are hewing more towards last year's offensively starved numbers, which is lowering the baseline for everyone. There are still half a zillion caveats (it's april, the BABIP/LD% numbers above) etc., not to mention Colin Wyers's claim that the updated ZiPS forecasts weight recent data too heavily (at least last year).

    Caveat the second is that I have no idea what the run environment is/was in both of the WAR projections for Byrd that I posted above. The only calculator I had handy was a 2011 preseason one, which hada much higher expectation for offense than this preseason, as well as whatever ZiPS is intuiting right now.

     

    Berselius
    He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already.
    Berselius

    34 Responses to “Marlon Byrd is not a .091 hitter, and other observations about slumps and trade value – UPDATED”

    1. Mish 1 Mish says:

      Dick Clark transformed into a corpse.

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    2. 2 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Mish:

      False. Transformation only moves one from one level of greatness to another. SIERA shows this to be true.

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    3. mikeakaleroy 3 mikeakaleroy says:

      @Mish: Too soon, man…too soon. Althought, best Dick Clark related tweet thus far:

      I can’t wait for everyone in America to count down from 10 as they lower Dick Clark’s casket into the ground. – @marylandmudflap

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    4. 4 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Assuming he’s average defensively (which is about fair) he was projected to be worth ~1.2 WAR, prorated to 1 WAR over the rest of the season. With the updated projection he’s projectied to be worth 0.6 WAR for the rest of the season. Given his contract the Cubs were going to have to send money along to get anything worth a damn for Byrd anyway, his doesn’t change that fact.

      In other words, Byrd projects to be as valuable over the course of the whole season as Matt Kemp has been in 48 PA. (dying laughing)

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    5. Mish 5 Mish says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:
      I personally don’t believe in “too soon”. (dying laughing)

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    6. Berselius 6 Berselius says:

      @ Mish:

      What is dead may never die

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    7. 7 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:

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    8. Aisle424 8 Aisle424 says:

      Damn it. I didn’t realize B had a new post. Anyway, there is also new shit up here: http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/cubs-dynamic-pricing-probably-not-as-dynamic-as-theyd-like.html

      NOTE: the current thread is the active thread again

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    9. Berselius 9 Berselius says:

      @ Aisle424:

      No worries, mine was literally a braindump (dying laughing).

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    10. mb21 10 mb21 says:

      I was talking to myself in the last thread and didn’t know what was going on. (dying laughing)

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    11. 11 Mish's Girlfriend says:

      @ Mish:
      Yup.

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    12. Berselius 12 Berselius says:

      Lineup for today’s game against Matt Cain/Felix Pie (starts at 11:40 CT)

      RF DeJesus
      2B Barney
      SS Castro
      LF Soriano
      3B Stewart
      1B LaHair
      C Soto
      CF Byrd
      P Optimus Prime

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    13. Rice Cube 14 Rice Cube says:

      @ Berselius:
      He is more than meets the eye.

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    14. mb21 15 mb21 says:

      According to an MLBTR headline, Aaron Miles is looking to play this season. I figure he’d fit right in with the group of 2nd basemen this team has put together.

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    15. mb21 16 mb21 says:

      By the way, I don’t think 2 weeks of baseball is anywhere near enough to reach conclusions about the offensive levels we’ll see this year. MGL recently pointed out that after a week last year teams scored 4.56 runs per game. By the end of the season it was 4.28. I think it’s silly adjusting projections to more closely match the scoring environment so far.

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    16. mb21 18 mb21 says:

      It’s 4.25 runs per game so far this year and even the Bill James projections had offense at about 4.25 runs per game and those are often the ones with the highest run scoring environment. I find it very hard to believe that ZiPS needs to adjust offense down. Like I said yesterday though, I’m curious what a league average projected player is not projected to hit if he’s hit exactly at his projection. Without knowing that, I’m going to dismiss the rest of season ZiPS at this point.

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    17. mb21 19 mb21 says:

      Offense the last 7 days: 4.49 runs per game. The first week of the season it was 4.02.

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    18. Rice Cube 20 Rice Cube says:

      If I counted right the Cubs have 43 runs in 12 games for a 3.58/game average.

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    19. GW 21 GW says:

      apparently bartolo colon threw 39 straight strikes at one point last night

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    20. mb21 23 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      Seriously? That has to be a record.

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    21. mb21 24 mb21 says:

      82 of 108 pitches were strikes. 38 straight according to USA Today. Crazy.

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    22. GW 25 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      rany was talking about it on twitter

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    23. mb21 27 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      The Pirates have scored 2.2 runs per game. (dying laughing) They’ve allowed only 2.9. Wow.

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    24. Rice Cube 28 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      As long as the Cubs can score just a smidge more than 3 runs per game I win my bet (dying laughing)

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    25. Mish 29 Mish says:

      I read over at Baseball Musings that the Cards are the only team above .500 in the Central. Apparently the Reds are not scoring runs, either.

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    26. Rice Cube 31 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mish:
      Brewers just got back to .500 but they’re not exactly raking in the runs either.

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    27. Aisle424 32 Aisle424 says:

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    28. dylanj 33 dylanj says:

      new shit up

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    29. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

      @ GBTS22:

      (dying laughing), that happened three blocks from where I used to live. I walked my dogs past that park all the time.

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