Jon Heyman of CBS Sports says the Cubs are willing to pay part of Ryan Dempster's remaining contract in the right trade.
Cubs starter Ryan Dempster, who allowed no runs in his three June starts, should be one of the most coveted pitchers on the trade market this July. And to make him even more enticing as a trade target, the Cubs are willing to pay part of his $14-million salary, depending on the prospect return.
The Cubs' goal is to get players and not worry about money. The Cubs' new regime wants to re-stock a weak farm system with top prospects.
Assuming the Cubs wait a couple weeks after his return before they are given any offers for Dempster, he'll have $5.8 million remaining on his contract. He'll be projected for just a little over 1 WAR meaning the Cubs would get nothing in return unless they paid the remaining part of the contract. His trade value in mid-July if they send the $5.8 million would be for about a Grade B hitter.
josh wrote:
Says the man with experience. (dying laughing)
Grade B hitter…what’s the equivalent of that in terms of pitching? Everyone keeps saying that if they trade Dempster and/or Garza they are hoping to get pitching prospects back, but I think you just want best return regardless.
At this point, the Cubs just have to hope someone gets desperate and gives them more than Garza or Dempster are worth.
@ Rice Cube:
As depleted as the Cubs system is, I think you take the best prospect package you can get, regardless of whether they are position players or pitchers.
Mercurial Outfielder wrote:
I’d think, they would each get offers on the market for more than the $12 or $13 million minimum deal they would have to be offered to get compensation. Granted, that is further away for Garza, but they could get a comp pick in the next draft for Dempster and get another one if Garza goes after next year. Barring injuries, there is almost no way Garza doesn’t get a deal with an average salary of more than $13M.
Especially since teams are locking up their top stars. Garza might be the best pitcher to hit the market.
So if they can get more from a team than they think they’d get in the compensation rounds for either of them, then trade them. If not, keep giving them the ball every 5th day until we get that comp pick. The Cubs have a situation where they aren’t trying to win a division any time soon, so they can sit back and wait and let the market play out.
@ Aisle424:
Agreed. And good point on Theo having most of the leverage here. He doesn’t have to deal Garza or Dempster.
Aisle424 wrote:
Exactly. There’s no hurry here. Thoyer will trade one and/or both of them if they can get more in a trade, but will keep them if they can’t. That’s the smart thing to do. They aren’t contending this year, next year and not the year after that. If they’re luckier than shit they could content in 2015 or 2016, but even then seems unlikely to me.
T. Colvin: 4-6, HR, 5 RBI
@ Rizzo the Rat:
HOF!
@ Rizzo the Rat:
Wait, F7 is pitching against the Rockies?
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
(dying laughing)
LHB are going to be fighting at the bat rack when he pitches.
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
Lefties are crushing him. I haven’t paid close enough attention, are teams stacking their lineups with lefties against him more than usual?
Youkilis in a White Sox uniform doesn’t look right.
mb21 wrote:
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I like Youkilis. Love his batting stance.
@ mb21:
If they’re not, they should be.
Does Baseball Prospectus not have a way to reset or retrieve a forgotten password?
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
And if they aren’t, it’s going to get really ugly. If its not already.
They are. 190 lefties faced to 188 righties.
Here is a question: can the cubs afford to trade both Dempster and Garza with nothing else available for the rotation? What would the rotation be? Mahlon, Wood, Samardzija and who? That’s one horrible rotation. (dying laughing)
F7′s season splits (small sample & therefore, etc.):
vs. RHB (188 PA): .650 OPS, 4.40 K/BB, .323 BABiP
vs. LHB (190): .889 OPS, 1.71 K/BB, .339 BABiP
Career splits:
vs. RHB (637 PA): .707 OPS, 2.16 K/BB, .300 BABiP
vs. LHB (506 PA): .788 OPS, 1.34 K/BB, .298 BABiP
It seems like we could expect some positive regression from F7, but that depends on his being able to (A) not walk people and (B) keep the fucking ball down, neither of which he’s been able to do of late.
@ mb21:
Jay Jackson?
A. Cashner:
5 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 6 K
Some regression due against both lefties and righties that probably cancels it out. Also, much of his career has been as a reliever so we should expect the numbers to be worse as a starter.
Granted, Cash is facing the Astros…
@ mb21:
iirc, they got hacked a couple of months ago
@ Mercurial Outfielder:
If you go with Jackson you may as well guarantee yourself the top pick next year and make Dolis the 5th starter.
@ Rizzo the Rat:
Good thing Rizzo has started well, or the Cubs Twittersphere would be full of inane Brock-for-Broglio comparisons.
@ GW:
So no way to reset the password? I’m logged in on my phone and laptop but not my iPad.
Mark Prior has 20 strikeouts in 9 innings of work. 8 walks too. He hasn’t pitched for a week. Anything wrong with him?
Cashner just struck out the side in order in the 6th. No-hitter still in tact.
@ Rizzo the Rat:
He’s only thrown fastball, changeup and a couple sliders according to Gameday. Velocity hasn’t dropped. He’s at 80 pitches though so I’m not sure they will let him finish this no-hit bid.
@ Rizzo the Rat:
CNN is reporting that Andrew Cashner has indeed thrown a no-hitter.
@ GBTS:
But did Dewey defeat Truman?
@ GBTS:
Scratch that, they only looked at the first inning in the box score.
CNN deeply regrets this error.
@ GBTS:
Half the people on my facebook feed think if Andrew Cashner doesn’t throw a no-hitter, it’s the end of America, and democracy, and freedom.
@ mb21:
I’m guessing it would be composed of a mix of about six-seven different buy-low type free agents.
Why couldn’t Cashner sport that sick beard with the Cubs?
Mercurial Outfielder wrote:
You mean America, democracy, and freedom are different things? I thought they hated us for our freedoms.
Oh sure, the first batter I listen to gets a hit off Cashner.
I’m glad he just allowed that hit. I’d hate to see him pitching 100 or more pitches tonight.
@ GBTS:
I thought he did last year.
@ GBTS:
(dying laughing)…CNN jinxed the $ner.
If Cashner can throw strikes he’s going to be a dominating starter.
@ mb21:
He might still make it to 100 if he doesn’t induce a double play soon.
@ Rice Cube:
False.
CNN must be run by the guy who ran the Shea stadium scoreboard in october of 1986.
Awwww…couldn’t keep the Astros down. Would’ve enjoyed a Cashner win here, if Padres lose they’re virtually tied with the Cubs.
@ mb21:
Yeah but he was a Cub for like 11 minutes.
All things considered, even if it is just the Astros, Cashner had a good start. Only 60 strikes in his 101 pitches though.
@ GBTS:
But the cubs were still in contention when he was starting.
@ mb21:
That’s probably why Aramis went hitless that game.
Cashner now may be the losing pitcher.
In other ex-Cubs news, Carlos Pena was 0-4 with 2 K’s and an error. He’s now at: .195/.339/.345. Kind of glad the Cubs don’t have him anymore.
Jose Bautista is frigging on fire. So it mike trout
@ Recalcitrant Blogger Nate:
I wonder if the Jays try to move him. They don’t look like they’re going anywhere this year.
Per MLBTR, Puig’s deal with the Dodgers has an opt-out after 3 years of MLB service time.
Giants winning, Dodgers losing…I’d be happier if the Giants actually had a good offense.
Cashner won’t get the loss!!
Jeff Mathis, against his former team: 4-4, HR
I wonder what the weather is like in Hell.
I can’t be sure but I think the Tigers are the only team in MLB not to be shut out so far this season.
Speaking of snowing in Hell, the Dodgers scored a run.
@ SVB:
Sorry. I was trying to link to a photo I had on Facebook, but I guess it isn’t “public” so it won’t link. I’ll try to put it somewhere else to link to….I’d upload to Forum but for some reason I can get the image load commands to come up on a “quick reply.”
@ SVB:
Gonna try something…
Nope, it’s private
Usually if you take the “s” out of the https it’ll show (assuming you copied it from a secure browsing of facebook)…
@ Rice Cube:
It worked from Google+ to the Forum, here it is again for those who don’t want to look at ACA stuff. For some reason, I thought it would be funny to do this.
@ SVB:
Download it, upload to photobucket. Annoying workaround, but it works.
@ josh:
OK, next time. I just made a Photobucket account for myself. I’m so 2010s, I’d never heard of Photobucket before…
Anyone have any thoughts on Trevor Bauer’s prospects as a pro this year? A fair amount of hype, but only 4 innings and 2.0 WHIP for his debut for Ariz tonight…
@ SVB:
Nice account of the start: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/26242/trevor-bauer-has-some-work-to-do
This guy has me excited for the draft next year
In a sexual way
So if the 2013 draft is considered, and the answer is “Ryan Stanek”, then my answer is YES tank for the first pick. If that once-in-a-decade guy is out there go for it. Plus, Stanek doesn’t throw 100+ making him less likely to rupture every muscle in his arm within five seasons.
Draft strategy depends entirely on the draft class in my mind — if we know who is good head for the #1 guy. If the top five are close, don’t tank quite as hard and draft based on need.
Plus, you gotta consider who these guys agents are. That UCLA pitcher scared away everybody because The Scott Borus represented him. That went along way towards Correra being the first pick and The Borus’ Clientelle dropping.
These are both factors.
@ SVB:
Photobucket has been around forever. It’s actually kind of passe now.
I really thought the Brewers would be better this season. They’ve been sucking so far. I was surprised to see rumors of them trading Greinke until I looked up their record.
@ SVB:
Quick reply will only bring up the box to type text in. Quote will bring up the necessary boxex for uploading images. They’ll be just below the text box.
Pezcore wrote:
I don’t think so. The Astros made it clear they were going to offer $1 million under slot to Appel and they apparently didn’t think he’d sign. Had they offered slot he would have had no choice but to sign. Boras has little power at this point in the draft. The Astros took a risk and came out big winners in my opinion. They had almost the exact opposite strategy that the Cubs had. Cubs took the BPA and will have to pay slot and had to pay slot to everyone else. They couldn’t take a player after that who was better than the draft slot. The Astros went cheap and were going to do the same with Appel too, but they get additional top tiered talent that the Cubs were unable to take advantage of. Again, this is risky and a certain amount of credit needs to be given to their front office. The Cubs are lucky the Astros are going to be in the AL West. I think they became the most sabermetric team in baseball overnight.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/29/buy-clown-question-bro-beer-help-support-a-worthy-cause/
Holy shit that kid can throw a baseball a long way.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=22668417
@ josh:
So now I can be 1990s? I’m good with that. At least I now can move beyond Air Supply and REO Speedwagon.
@ mb21:
Thanks mb. See what decade I’m in? (dying laughing)
mb21 wrote:
You mentioned this in regard to starting, but Jackson does seem to have really good stats as a reliever.
@ SVB:
Just going off your avatar, I’m going to guess ’70s.
DJ’s minor league shit is up: http://www.obstructedview.net/minor-leagues/the-children-are-the-future-cubs-minor-league-update-sponsored-by-sonic.html