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  • Cubs Lower Season Ticket Costs While Mostly Raising Individual Ticket Prices

    The Cubs announced their new ticket prices for 2013 and Alvin is doing a victory dance with his bologna sandwich tonight because he is getting a ~10% reduction on his seats up there in the last row of the bleachers.

    In fact, all season ticket holders are holding basically even or getting a slight discount next year from the 2012 prices. In addition to the cut in bleacher prices, the Upper Deck Box Outfield folks are also getting a ~10% reduction and the the Terrace Reserved Outfield people are getting ~5% off.

    Everybody else pretty much holds even at the old levels. If we averaged them out weighting them equally (which I know isn't 100% accurate, but it should be close enough for our purposes), the Cubs lowered their overall ticket prices by about 1.6%.

    What's interesting is how the Cubs re-jiggered their individual ticket prices to come to this final overall reduction:

    You'll notice that only 9 individual ticket price points were reduced. 37 price points were raised and 19 remained steady. Wait… what?

    How did the season ticket prices come down while 56% of the price points actually went up? The key is how the games were distributed in the five pricing tiers. The tickets in the seating bowl have 4 fewer games in the Marquee tier than last year and 3 more in the Bronze tier.  The Bleachers have 7 fewer in the Marquee tier and 7 more in the Bronze. They also have 8 more Gold level and 8 fewer Silver. So even though many of the price points were raised, over the course of the season the total amount to purchase every ticket was lowered because there were fewer of the most expensive tickets available.

    This is clearly a move to appease their season ticket holders and indicates to me that the Cubs are extremely nervous about the attrition rate of their waiting list. They'll still claim that renewal rates are strong and the number of the people on the waitlist still tops 100,000, but when it comes to ticket revenues, actions speak louder than words.

    For individual ticket purchasers, the news is not as good. For one, the prices listed above are generally $1 to $2 lower than they will be when single game tickets go on sale. That doesn't alter the percentage change on the tables above very much because season ticket holders saved $1-2 per ticket last year as well, so while the percentages might change by a tenth of a point or two, that doesn't mean a lot when we're talking about general trends.

    Secondly, unless you buy Upper Deck Box Outfield seats, your individual tickets will generally cost you more than last year. Remember, the savings is a result of there being fewer Marquee games on the schedule. So while it is less likely you will be buying an individual ticket for a Marquee game than last year, if you do go to one, chances are you'll pay as much or more for that ticket.  If you go to Gold, Silver, or Bronze level, you almost assuredly will pay more. In fact, the average Bronze level seat will cost you over 13% more than a Bronze game from last year.

    I'll restate that. You can expect to pay about 13% more per ticket to watch two 90-loss teams play each other on a cold September weekday afternoon than you would last year. In some cases you'll pay significantly more than that. If you sit in the Terrace Reserved section for that horrid game, you'll pay 33% more than last year ($16 compared to $12 last year).

    It's a bold strategy that seems on the surface like it may have been Todd Rickett's idea. Those Bronze level tickets were selling for less than a dollar on StubHub last year because season ticket holders were dumping them for anything they could get. Knowing that as we know now and knowing the team will most likely be shitty again next year, why would anyone buy those tickets at the old face value, much less the new one?

    The answer might lie in some upcoming scare tactics that the Cubs like to employ to falsely inflate ticket demand. 

    As reported by Paul Sullivan, the Cubs are ready to expand their dynamic pricing experiment:

    The Cubs also will use dynamic pricing in the entire ballpark, Faulkner said, after experimenting with the concept in the bleachers in 2012. As ticket inventory decreases, the price of the unsold tickets will go up.

    So while people might normally be inclined to wait and see if the team does, in fact, suck as much balls as it did last year before running out and buying tickets to see the Cubs play the Padres, they may feel compelled to buy the tickets early to make sure they get the tickets at the lowest price point. If they wait and the team is actually better than they expect, it could cost more to buy the tickets later.

    And don't think the Cubs won't be driving that point home all winter long.

    Plus, remember that dynamic pricing allows them to sell fewer tickets overall while maintaining a decent revenue stream because the price point keeps rising as the tickets are sold. So they can make up for lost revenue in the crappy games by selling lots of ever-more-expensive tickets to the popular games.

    But I guess as long as Alvin is happy. That's the main thing.

    198 Responses to “Cubs Lower Season Ticket Costs While Mostly Raising Individual Ticket Prices”

    1. Rice Cube 1 Rice Cube says:

      Is this what SK does these days?

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    2. josh 2 josh says:

      I probably won’t go to any games again next year. They’re talking about taking on rehab players and players looking to build rep.

      And just like that, the Cubs became a minor league ball club. I know. I know. Think long term etc. etc. etc.

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    3. mb21 3 mb21 says:

      I was hoping you’d write about this, 424. Good job.

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    4. Rice Cube 4 Rice Cube says:

      Plus, remember that dynamic pricing allows them to sell fewer tickets overall while maintaining a decent revenue stream because the price point keeps rising as the tickets are sold. So they can make up for lost revenue in the crappy games by selling lots of ever-more-expensive tickets to the popular games.

      This is a really good point. Also, they have about 100K to go before they even get to me on the season ticket waiting list. So lots of willing schlubs to burn through to get some base revenue even if most of those tickets end up going unused.

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    5. mb21 5 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      He makes a great point that if they’re lowering ticket prices then they’re worried about that reserve list. The season ticket prices don’t come down for any other reason. Even in bad economic times Cubs tickets were increased and now that the economy is slowly improving they decrease it? Either they’ve had a lot of season ticket holders the last couple years give up their tickets (true, I’d suspect) and/or they’ve had a lot of people on that list drop out (also probably true).

      I don’t know what this kind of decrease does to help though. They know more about that than I would.

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    6. Rice Cube 6 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      The attrition rate appears to be about 10K a year. I put my name on the list about two years ago and I was at 120K or so, now I’m near 100K. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they are burning through it rather quickly, but it would still take them about a decade to get to me at that rate. I’m not an economist but I feel like if they were truly desperate they’d probably offer an even bigger discount than what’s been reported.

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    7. 7 akabari says:

      Today I found out there is a 10% chance I might have to move from Chicago to Pittsburgh. I never thought I could see the bright side as being able to see a real baseball game next year (dying laughing)

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    8. Aisle424 8 Aisle424 says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      @ mb21:
      The attrition rate appears to be about 10K a year. I put my name on the list about two years ago and I was at 120K or so, now I’m near 100K. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they are burning through it rather quickly, but it would still take them about a decade to get to me at that rate. I’m not an economist but I feel like if they were truly desperate they’d probably offer an even bigger discount than what’s been reported.

      They’re not desperate, but they must be concerned about the burn rate at which they are going through willing customers. They also know that it is highly unlikely that this team is going to sell tickets on its own merits this year (or even probably next year) so they are doing a PR job here.

      But it’s a shell game. They actually raised ticket prices while getting to say they lowered them. All that has to happen is for them to shift a few of those lower-tiered games back into the Marquee column and they raise their revenue without “raising prices.”

      In most cases, moving even one game from each level to the next highest level would result in those seats going from basically holding even to rising slightly. Move a couple of games and you are going to see significant rises in season ticket costs.

      So in two years, they’ll talk about how they are only raising prices 2% or whatever after a promising season, but they’ll shift it back to having 13 Marquee games and only 6 Bronze like it was a couple of years ago. So those packages will shoot up in price.

      I only wish the Cubs played baseball as well as they marketed their tickets. They’d be fucking unstoppable.

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    9. Rice Cube 9 Rice Cube says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      I only wish the Cubs played baseball as well as they marketed their tickets. They’d be fucking unstoppable.

      Baby steps…

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    10. Suburban kid 10 Suburban kid says:

      mb21 wrote:

      I was hoping you’d write about this, 424. Good job.

      Attaboy, Aisley! {pat, pat}

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    11. Suburban kid 11 Suburban kid says:

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    12. Suburban kid 12 Suburban kid says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Is this what SK does these days?

      No, but it gives me ideas…..

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    13. josh 13 josh says:

      Fucking shit. I was trying to watch the game last night, but you know how when you’re watching and you can’t concentrate because there aren’t enough camera angles? Why the fuck can’t we see all the camera angles? I don’t want to just watch the game, I want to spend all my time hunting through camera angles!

      What’s that mlb.com, you say you have a new package that’s just for me?!

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    14. mb21 14 mb21 says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      They’re not desperate, but they must be concerned about the burn rate at which they are going through willing customers.

      Agreed. It may only be 10K right now, but fans were expecting the 2010 Cubs to contend. A large portion thought the 2011 team would because they won a lot of games down the stretch and the evil Lou Piniella was gone. 2012 was really the first year the fans expected nothing from the team. Now they expect even less. I’d think if the attrition was 10K over the last 2-3 years that we’ll see it increase quite a bit. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see that list down to 10K by the time the Cubs contend in a few years. It’s a great safety net to have, but it will go away quickly.

      What kind of a net did they have prior to 2003? Any? It won’t take long to get back to that point.

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    15. mb21 15 mb21 says:

      The other thing is that you can buy tickets to a late season game for next to nothing. It even has me interested in attending a game at Wrigley late next year. Obviously the cost of travel remains the same, but it’s much more of an incentive to go there if I can get tickets for as cheap as they were late in the season this year. I expect they’ll be that cheap even earlier in the season next year.

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    16. GBTS 16 GBTS says:

      @ mb21:
      If you buy a shirsey and helmet nachos, Todd will pick you up from the airport.

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    17. 17 mobile SVB says:

      @ akabari:
      When the Cubs come to town Cubs fans outnumber Pirate fans. Those games are really fun. And PNC Park is awesome. And tickets are CHEAP. Also Pittsburgh is pretty nice. Personally, I’d jump at the chance.

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    18. Berselius 18 Berselius says:

      GBTS wrote:

      If you buy a shirsey and helmet nachos, Todd will pick you up from the airport.

      Sounds like a good deal, until you realize that Todd is waiting at Midway while you’re sitting outside of O’Hare.

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    19. josh 20 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      Todd just ASSUMED you knew a better value when you saw one, but he guesses HE WAS WRONG wasn’t he!?

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    20. Aisle424 21 Aisle424 says:

      josh wrote:

      What’s that mlb.com, you say you have a new package that’s just for me?!

      Don’t you like anything?

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    21. Aisle424 22 Aisle424 says:

      mb21 wrote:

      What kind of a net did they have prior to 2003? Any? It won’t take long to get back to that point.

      I don’t think they had any net before 2003. There might have been small waiting lists while Sammy was clubbing HRs left and right, but I bought in 1998 and I had a friend buy in with no wait in 2001. Both the end of 2001 and 2002 sucked so I can’t imagine there was a wait list after that until the after 2003 playoff run.

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    22. josh 23 josh says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Ham. Unless it’s too salty.

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    23. mb21 24 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Thanks. I didn’t figure they had one. The Cubs are going through a period of suck that we haven’t seen them go through in awhile. There are a lot of Cubs fans who became fans during or after 2003 that will probably give up or already have given up on them. Those fans were expecting the Cubs to contend every year from 2004 through 2010 and many of them in 2011. My guess is that by the time the Cubs contend that list will be down to 10K or be nonexistent and the Cubs won’t be selling out many games either.

      People always say that Wrigley makes fans show up, but that hasn’t always been true. That’s only been true in recent years. It is the weakest argument for not building a new ballpark.

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    24. josh 25 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      You always hear people citing tradition, but that’s true every time a new stadium gets built. It’d be harder to find a more historic park than old Yankee Stadium. And people like it fine. I think most people would rather just have a nice ball park, when you get down to brass tacks.

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    25. Rice Cube 26 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      I think my only concern right now (being prepared for the team to suck for a while) is that the team remains financially solid enough such that when the time comes, even if the attendance is a bit lagging, they can still drop armored trucks full of cash in the laps of free agents who deserve it.

      I’m all for a new park BTW. Or at least a renovated version that doesn’t look as crappy.

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    26. 27 srbutch5 says:

      The attrition isn’t quite 10K a year. I signed up after Sori signed in the 2006 off-season and started in the low 17,000′s. I remained in the 17,000′s for the glory years (2007-2009) (dying laughing). The last two years have seen significant attrition resulting in me holding down spot 4,012. My fear is I will actually get a call this year or even next…I’d be crazy to accept.

      /cool story bro’d

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    27. josh 28 josh says:

      @ srbutch5:
      Well, I would imagine there’s more attrition the further away from the top you are, though. Hell, you can almost taste the piss trough from 17,000.

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    28. mb21 29 mb21 says:

      @ srbutch5:
      I’m confused. You say 17K, but earlier it was mentioned that it was over 100K.

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    29. mb21 30 mb21 says:

      srbutch5 wrote:

      My fear is I will actually get a call this year or even next…I’d be crazy to accept.

      (dying laughing)

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    30. josh 31 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      I’m guesing it bloated after 2007/08

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    31. 32 akabari says:

      @ mobile SVB:
      Thanks for the advice. PNC flew me out for an interview Friday, so we will see what happens. All I got to see was Market Square and some hole in the wall bar (best burgers ever? Maybe some Sox fans were there?) But Pittsburgh SEEMED pretty nice.

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    32. mb21 33 mb21 says:

      @ akabari:
      Are you hoping to move?

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    33. WaLi 34 WaLi says:

      They should have charged money to those who sign up on the season ticket wait list, like 50 or 100 with that money able to go to the purchase of the season tickets. It seems silly not to. Give free Cubs Club membership with each purchase.

      I know the # wouldn’t have gotten to 100k like this, but it probably would have got to 50k. Missed opportunity now though, until the Cubs are relevant again at least.

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    34. Mish 35 Mish says:

      This is great, via Buzzfeed:

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    35. 36 srbutch5 says:

      @ mb21:
      It was 17K when I signed up after 2006. It ballooned over 100K after 2007 and 2008, I presume.

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    36. Berselius 37 Berselius says:

      akabari wrote:

      But Pittsburgh SEEMED pretty nice.

      Everyone I know who has lived there loves the place

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    37. 38 srbutch5 says:

      @ WaLi:
      I know that Bears charge you $100 or something to get on the season ticket wait list…which does go towards your season ticket purchase.

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    38. 39 srbutch5 says:

      @ Berselius:
      It’s definitely a nice town driven by their love for the Steelers and Pens…both consistently good. And their love for Molson Ice. Maybe that’s just the hockey portion though.

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    39. SVB 40 SVB says:

      Like any old, big city, Pittsburgh has its blights and its gems. Unlike many bigger cities, it also has a lot of hills that make it seem smaller. I lived about 90 min away, and visiting was fun. Our friends who were native there loved it. If you move out there, Akabari, beware of the Pittsburgh left. When a red light changes, the first car in the oncoming left turn lane turns automatically, expecting you’ll let them by, even though you, and the lane(s) to your right, are going straight.

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    40. SVB 41 SVB says:

      @ srbutch5:
      That might be Hockey folks, since Molson is Canadian swill. My Pittsburgh friends raved about Yuengling (sp?). I think there is a so-called microbrew from there too–maybe Fat Tire?

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    41. Berselius 42 Berselius says:

      @ SVB:

      Yuengling is supposedly the oldest brewery in the US, and their beers are more or less ubiquitious in the mid-Atlantic. They’re a decent inexpensive non-BudMillerCoors option to get.

      Fat Tire comes from New Belgium Brewery in Fort Collins CO, which is a fantastic place to visit. Though if you’re in town, O’Dell’s is even better.

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    42. WaLi 43 WaLi says:

      @ SVB:
      Yuengling is from Pottsville I believe and is delicious for its price point. Fat Tire is from CO

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    43. WenningtonsGorillaCock 44 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      SVB wrote:

      beware of the Pittsburgh left. When a red light changes, the first car in the oncoming left turn lane turns automatically, expecting you’ll let them by

      We have those in Chicago, too. Here, they’re called “assholes”.

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    44. mikeakaleroy 45 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Berselius:
      Also, Yuengling overtook Sam Adams this last year and is now the highest selling American owned beer, even though they mostly just distribute on the eastern part of the US.

      http://adage.com/article/news/d-g-yuengling-son-america-s-largest-brewer/232102/

      /beer good

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    45. Suburban kid 46 Suburban kid says:

      It was funny seeing AJ wearing a suit on the pre-game.

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    46. josh 47 josh says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      It’s a whole new outfit to imagine him beaten to a blood pulp in!

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    47. 48 gbts22 says:

      Why the fuck is the game on now?

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    48. josh 49 josh says:

      Uh-oh, Beltran is out of the game? That’s gotta hurt the Cards chances.

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    49. josh 50 josh says:

      @ gbts22:
      2 games today.

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    50. Suburban kid 51 Suburban kid says:

      C’mon SFGnats

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    51. josh 52 josh says:

      The radio guys are making fun of/complimenting Hawk Harrelson.

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    52. 53 gbts22 says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      (dying laughing)
      (dying laughing)

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    53. Berselius 54 Berselius says:

      @ gbts22:

      Somebody thought of the children

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    54. Suburban kid 55 Suburban kid says:

      crap

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    55. mb21 56 mb21 says:

      Fucking Cardinals

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    56. Aisle424 57 Aisle424 says:

      josh wrote:

      Uh-oh, Beltran is out of the game? That’s gotta hurt the Cards chances.

      False.

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    57. josh 58 josh says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I forgot about their hidden weapon. Matt… Carpenter….?

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    58. Rice Cube 59 Rice Cube says:

      Cardinals —> black magic

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    59. Rice Cube 60 Rice Cube says:

      Ooooh, Scutaro!

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    60. Rice Cube 61 Rice Cube says:

      Goddammit Panda…

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    61. Rice Cube 62 Rice Cube says:

      I don’t believe anyone’s used the spoilers in a while…

      [spoiler][/spoiler]

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    62. Aisle424 63 Aisle424 says:

      MO is dancing in the streets.

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    63. Suburban kid 64 Suburban kid says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Did Michael Brenly get released or something?

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    64. WaLi 65 WaLi says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Brenly and Gracey trading places?

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    65. Suburban kid 66 Suburban kid says:

      @ WaLi:
      The other shoe drops….ugh

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    66. Aisle424 67 Aisle424 says:

      WaLi wrote:

      @ Aisle424:
      Brenly and Gracey trading places?

      Who knows? I hope not. I still think it will be Wood. I’m hoping for Glanville.

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    67. Suburban kid 68 Suburban kid says:

      @ WaLi:
      Plenty of public transportation on the north side. Or maybe Grace thinks he can renew his Illinois drivers license.

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    68. Rice Cube 69 Rice Cube says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      I figure he earned enough money while he was playing and broadcasting that he could just buy Todd Ricketts’ Undercover Boss apartment across the street.

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    69. Rice Cube 70 Rice Cube says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Doug Glanville? I thought he did random stuff for ESPN already.

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    70. Suburban kid 72 Suburban kid says:

      Kinda sounds like Brenly was not offered a new contract?

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    71. Rice Cube 73 Rice Cube says:

      Doggone it…Giants are in trouble now :(

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    72. Rice Cube 75 Rice Cube says:

      Oh joy, a rain delay.

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    73. Suburban kid 76 Suburban kid says:

      Hobbiton Press-Citizen reports Brenly is indeed expected to join AZ booth.

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    74. mb21 77 mb21 says:

      I’d rather have Brenly than Grace.

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    75. GBTS 78 GBTS says:

      @ mb21:
      x1000000

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    76. Rizzo the Rat 79 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Yeah, I didn’t like some of Brenly’s comments toward specific players (Aramis in particular), but the Cubs could do a lot worse than him.

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    77. mb21 80 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      And I can’t stand Brenly. I’m very glad he’s gone. That said, I don’t have high expectations they’ll hire anybody who is better. I know people have said Moreland hasn’t been all that good on the radio side, but when he filled in on the tv side years back I thought he was excellent. I wonder if the negative attention he’s gotten is partly because of the shoes he had to fill. This is odd to me to considering that Santo was not even close to a good announcer. A good to great Cubs fan? Absolutely! Was he good at announcing baseball games? No.

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    78. 81 cwolf says:

      I liked Moreland when he filled in for Santo occasionally on the radio but not as much since he became the regular analyst. It seemed he was better when he was relatively unprepared and was just winging it. I don’t listen to the radio broadcasts very often, though.

      Grace sucks and I don’t think there’s any chance the Cubs hire him at this point.

      Good riddance to Brenly.

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    79. GBTS 82 GBTS says:

      I want to like Zonk, but I think he’s terrible, regardless of whoever’s shoes he’s had to fill.

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    80. mb21 83 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      I don’t think I’ve listened to a radio broadcast since 2007 or 2008 so I have no idea.

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    81. GBTS 84 GBTS says:

      Miguel Cabrera put himself all alone in record territory on a pair of streaks with his third-inning walk and fifth-inning double Tuesday night in Game 3 of the American League Championship Series.

      For one, his 16-game hitting streak in League Championship Series, a run that dates to the Marlins’ victory in the 2003 National League Championship Series over the Cubs, is now the longest in Major League history.

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    82. GBTS 85 GBTS says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ GBTS:
      I don’t think I’ve listened to a radio broadcast since 2007 or 2008 so I have no idea.

      Then I’m done talking with you. Good luck.

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    83. mb21 86 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      You’re not going to ban me first?

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    84. 87 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Kick rocks, Johnny Cakes.

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    85. 88 mobile dave says:

      Dueling episodes of Rain Delay Theatre here. Trapped in an airport lounge and the local Fox affiliate switched over to “The Ricki Lake Show.” I would kill everyone here for a showing of “Sink the Bismarck!” instead.

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    86. Rice Cube 89 Rice Cube says:

      @ mb21:
      That would be impressive…

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    87. mb21 90 mb21 says:

      @ mobile dave:
      “killing everyone” and “airport lounge” in the same paragraph would probably get you kicked out the airport and on the no-fly list. (dying laughing)

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    88. 91 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mobile dave:

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    89. 92 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      That’s the full movie, BTW.

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    90. GBTS 93 GBTS says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      FIYAH

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    91. Rice Cube 94 Rice Cube says:

      No clincher tonight.

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    92. Rizzo the Rat 95 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Wow, you might have just saved all our lives there.

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    93. 96 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      Remember this within the next 5 minutes the next time I’m acting like a smarmy assbag.

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    94. 97 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Restart at 9:05 CST. CAMON GIANTS

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    95. GBTS 98 GBTS says:

      Why do people think Sabathia can’t pitch Game Seven now? That dude threw like 65 innings in September for Milwaukee in ’08.

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    96. 99 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GBTS:
      Because after last night’s comical lineup and pinch-hitting strategy, it’s a 90% certainty the BBWAA are running the Yankees?

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    97. Rizzo the Rat 100 Rizzo the Rat says:

      If Sabathia pitches a bad game, he’ll be moved to the bullpen next year.

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    98. Rice Cube 101 Rice Cube says:

      @ GBTS:
      If they even get to a game 7…all hands on deck!

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    99. 102 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      But Ibanez is there to take his slot in the rotation, so they should be fine.

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    100. 103 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      In all seriousness, Girardi has made some really odd decisions this postseason.

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    101. Berselius 104 Berselius says:

      @ GBTS:
      We better see what Mike Rizzo thinks of this.

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    102. Berselius 105 Berselius says:

      I’m pulling for Glanville, but think there’s a nontrivial chance it could be Kerry Wood, broadcast experience be damned. Or better yet, Zonk to the booth, Glanville/Wood to the radio.

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    103. mb21 106 mb21 says:

      @ GBTS:
      He’s on an innings limit and will be shut down after his next start.

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    104. Rizzo the Rat 107 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      He’s been panicking.

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    105. 108 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:
      HEY, HE HAS A 120-PAGE DOCUMENT

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    106. mb21 109 mb21 says:

      @ Berselius:
      I could see Wood to the radio but will be shocked if he gets the tv gig. I’ll be surprised if he even gets a radio job. The Cubs can pick almost anyone they want.

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    107. 110 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:

      Yeah, big time. Overreactions to almost every “crisis.” We used to joke about the writers running the Cubs, but it really seems to me like Girardi is letting media pressure get to him.

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    108. 111 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:
      Zonk and Len could make a nice team, I think.

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    109. 112 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ mb21:
      Biggest fears:

      1.) Gracebag
      2.) Return of the Playgirl Model

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    110. Berselius 113 Berselius says:

      FWIW, I think Pat would do a great job shepherding along someone who hasn’t done much broadcasting work. I would be surprised if Wood was ready to jump into it right away. I always figured it would be a few years down the road.

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    111. Berselius 114 Berselius says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think Stoney nuked his bridges from orbit with the Cubs org over the past few years. Hiring TLR is more likely than FPM.

      Though speaking of terrifying hires, Bobby V is unemployed.

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    112. Rice Cube 115 Rice Cube says:

      Why don’t they just let Zonk go to the TV booth and let Pat Hughes hold down the fort on his own?

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    113. 116 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Per Stark, Motte recorded no 2-inning saves this season.

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    114. Rizzo the Rat 117 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I’m surprised he keeps putting Cano in the lineup. Of course, he’s their best player and he isn’t hated like Rodriguez (yet).

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    115. 118 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Berselius:
      Completely diff regime there now, and Ricketts is still a fanboy.

      Bobby V already agreed to go back to ESPN.

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    116. 119 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Another nightmare scenario: Fucking Sutcliffe.

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    117. Rizzo the Rat 120 Rizzo the Rat says:

      The whole “A-Rod has been struggling against right-handed pitching” excuse is hilarious. The team’s been facing right-handed pitchers every day, and almost all of the hitters are struggling.

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    118. 121 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      If there was a Nunez behind him, he might have already.

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    119. 122 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      Not pinch-hitting Swisher and Arod last night vs. Coke, who gives up hits to RHB with the regularity of the Shepherd Gate Clock, is inexplicable.

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    120. 123 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Way to make him work, Giants. I really fucking hate these damn Cardinals. GTFO already.

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    121. josh 124 josh says:

      I would love Glanville. He’s still old school in terms of analysis, but he is a super smart dude.

      I’m sick of Zonk. SO SO SICK.

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    122. 125 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Rosenthal says Beltran may play tomorrow. Of course.

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    123. josh 126 josh says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Everyone (maybe even A-Rod) has bought the storyline that A-Rod + postseason = disaster. That’s as best I can figure.

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    124. Rizzo the Rat 127 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      Did the Tigers have a righty in the pen? That could explain why he left Ibanez in (sorta). It wouldn’t explain leaving in Ichiro, though, since he was the first hitter Coke faced.

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    125. Rice Cube 128 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      Maybe just this postseason. Including this year A-Rod has a line of .265/.372/.467 across 324 PA. I don’t really think that’s a disaster overall, but he’s really sucked this October.

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    126. mb21 129 mb21 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I would live to see this. I would listen to radio exclusively.

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    127. Rizzo the Rat 130 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Do Yankee fans remember 2009? They must have some kind of selective amnesia.

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    128. Rice Cube 131 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      BUT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY?!?!?!?!?!?!!

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    129. Rizzo the Rat 132 Rizzo the Rat says:

      A-Rod’s career line vs. RHP: .303/.383/.562
      A-Rod’s career line vs. LHP: .290/.388/.556

      But somehow, suddenly, he can’t hit RHP’s. Brilliant managing, Joe.

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    130. josh 133 josh says:

      GAme over, apparently.

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    131. Rice Cube 134 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      To be really really fair, he’s been in a prolonged slump and in a short series I guess the manager is stuck between hoping that the guy snaps out of it or playing the hot hand. This version of A-Rod isn’t playing to the level of career A-Rod, at least not from what I’ve seen.

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    132. josh 135 josh says:

      @ mb21:
      I would prefer Pat solo. He does such a great job of play-by-play.

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    133. 136 Akabari says:

      @ mb21:
      I’m real behind thanks to a dead iPad (dying laughing)
      But yeah. I just finished school, have been in Chicago most of my life, need a at least SOMEWHAT professional job…etc. a fresh start, kind of. So yeah, I am kinda looking to move.
      On topic: Fuck the cardinals

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    134. 138 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      There’s no way his TTL has dropped anywhere close to Ibanez’s dismal numbers vs. LHP over the last 3 seasons.

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    135. SVB 139 SVB says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      I guess that the difference between the Pittsburgh left and the Chicago asshole left is that in Pittsburgh it is accepted and the cars in the oncoming lanes wait on purpose to let the left-turner go. (dying laughing)

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    136. 140 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Lincecum and Zito next up for Giants.

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    137. Rice Cube 141 Rice Cube says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      I think if he had pinch-hit Swish or A-Rod for Ibanez in that situation it would have been the right call too, but you know they would skewer A-Rod and Girardi on the ~65% chance that he makes an out.

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    138. Rice Cube 142 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’m also sure that Girardi had all those numbers in mind and doesn’t really care what the media thinks, but at the same time both A-Rod and Swisher had been in prolonged slumps and in a short series he doesn’t have as much of the luxury of waiting out those slumps. I don’t know if that makes sense…

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    139. SVB 143 SVB says:

      Berselius wrote:

      Or better yet, Zonk to the booth, Glanville/Wood to the radio.

      Oh Boy Oh Boy! Can I hope for this? I never see games on TV, but listen to the radio all the time. Glanville is excellent. Though I think both he and Wood are smart enough to realize when Pat is needling them. I’m not sure that was the case with Ronny, though I did enjoy his “commentary” ( ≠ analysis).

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    140. SVB 144 SVB says:

      Oh, and for the record, I rather like listening to Brenly, and I’m brave enough to admit it here.

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    141. Rice Cube 145 Rice Cube says:

      Dave Cameron wrote about what I was trying to convey previously:

      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/joe-girardi-and-the-tragedy-of-the-recent/

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    142. Rice Cube 147 Rice Cube says:

      @ SVB:
      The Dave Campbell pick was an interesting one. I recall his voice as being one that could put you to sleep though.

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    143. 148 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      Fangraphs fucking loves extrapolating from small samples to draw unwarranted conclusions nowadays.

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    144. SVB 149 SVB says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Tribune adds Steve Lyons, Eric Karros, Sarge Matthews, and Darrin Jackson. Guess the first two would be OK with me.

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    145. 150 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      I like Karros, know nothing about Sarge, and think DJ and Lyons are hot garbage.

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    146. 151 aka says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Most baseball writers fucking loves extrapolating from small samples to draw unwarranted conclusions nowadays.

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    147. Rice Cube 152 Rice Cube says:

      @ aka:
      This is true.

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    148. 153 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ aka:
      But FG, and especially Cameron, should know better. I think that’s what really set off MGL (well that and his enormous sense of self-importance); you expect this from the BBWAA set, but not from FG people.

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    149. SVB 154 SVB says:

      @ Mercurial Outfielder:
      If Lyons is the analyst, won’t he take his pants down during the stretch?

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    150. 155 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ SVB:
      I always assume he’s pantsless.

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    151. mikeakaleroy 156 mikeakaleroy says:

      They can just get rid of Len as well, hire Grace and Sutcliffe, and have open bar night every night!

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    152. EnricoPallazzo 157 EnricoPallazzo says:

      Mercurial Outfielder wrote:

      Another nightmare scenario: Fucking Sutcliffe.

      he’s good when he’s blackout drunk.

      @ Akabari:

      just don’t start using the word “yins”. man does that drive me fucking crazy.

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    153. Berselius 158 Berselius says:

      They’re really warming up the tar and pulling out the bags of feathers in NY. He’s going to be run out of town before the winter meetings.

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    154. Rizzo the Rat 159 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ SVB:
      I don’t mind him. As I said earlier, there’s a lot worse.

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    155. Suburban kid 160 Suburban kid says:

      I don’t mind Sutcliffe (he is definitely a lot better than Grace and the equal to Karros), but I don’t see him signing on to 162 games.

      Hollandsworth should just go away – he sucks. (He is probably the favorite though. Probably comes cheap for starters)

      Dave Campbell would be OK. I hate him on Playstation but when I heard him for real filling in for Brenly he was a pleasant surprise.

      Please don’t let Pat go solo. That would mean at least a full inning of Judd Sirott solo. Zonk was a fresh voice was he was a sub, but after hearing him for a couple seasons now, he’s starting to expose his limitations.

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    156. mb21 161 mb21 says:

      I don’t mind Sutcliffe either. I like Dave Campbell, but I don’t think the Cubs hire someone as old as he is. He’s the best possible replacement I’ve heard so far. Can’t stand Grace (dislike him more than Brenly) and can’t imagine the Cubs will hire him. Don’t want Hollandsworth either. I don’t mind Sarge.

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    157. Berselius 162 Berselius says:

      @ mb21:

      Sarge would probably be pretty good, but he seems to have a good thing going for him in Philly. It’s not like he needs the theoretical goodwill of two seasons of replacement level performance in a Cubs uniform to make himself a candidate (*cough* Hollandsworth)

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    158. josh 163 josh says:

      @ Suburban kid:
      It’s irrelevant, Judd Sirott is like death. It’s going to happen, so just try to enjoy everything else.

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    159. josh 165 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      “Yeah, he’s no Reggie Jackson.

      Number of post-season series played by Jackson: 17

      Number of post-season series in which Jackson had an OPS > .700: 8 (in other words, he completely sucked 1/2 the time, but was great the rest of the time).

      Number of post-season series played by Rodriguez: 16

      Number of post-season series in which Rodriguez had an OPS > .700: 8 (in other words, he completely sucked 1/2 the time, but was good or great the rest of the time).

      Yep, totally different guys in the postseason.”

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    160. Berselius 167 Berselius says:

      Looks like the Jays weren’t paying attention to the Theo compensation last offseason

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/red-sox-blue-jays-talking-compensation-for-john-farrell/

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    161. Berselius 168 Berselius says:

      It’s going to be a race to see which of Kenny Williams or Ned Colletti will trade prospects for A-Rod’s contract this offseason (dying laughing)

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    162. GBTS 169 GBTS says:

      @ Berselius:
      I think Colletti has clearly gained front-runner status. Also, Kenny is no longer GM.

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    163. mikeakaleroy 170 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ GBTS:
      The Dodgers are becoming the Island of Misfit Toys.

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    164. Rice Cube 171 Rice Cube says:

      @ mikeakaleroy:

      Which one is Josh Beckett?

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    165. mikeakaleroy 172 mikeakaleroy says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Funny, I was about to go grab a similar pic. Well done.

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    166. Berselius 173 Berselius says:

      @ GBTS:

      He’s still team president, he could make it happen if he wants to (dying laughing)

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    167. Rice Cube 174 Rice Cube says:

      Looks like the Sox are cutting ticket prices too:

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-cutting-2013-ticket-prices-20121018,0,1655301.story

      Damn I wish Cubs season tickets were that cheap.

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    168. WenningtonsGorillaCock 175 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Damn I wish Cubs season tickets were that cheap.

      Face value won’t matter when Cubs tickets are 9 cents on StubHub

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    169. Rice Cube 176 Rice Cube says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      What is that, like $15.09 after taxes and fees? That’s still better than going through the box office (dying laughing)

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    170. Aisle424 177 Aisle424 says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      Are you renewing your tickets, WGC?

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    171. mb21 178 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Would you ask Tom Petty that?

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    172. Aisle424 179 Aisle424 says:

      mb21 wrote:

      @ Aisle424:
      Would you ask Tom Petty that?

      This is a meme I have to admit I don’t understand.

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    173. Aisle424 180 Aisle424 says:

      Alvin has projected the chances of the various candidates chances of replacing Bob Brenly:

      Dave Campbell: 0%
      Mark Grace: 0%
      Todd Hollandsworth: 20%
      Darrin Jackson: 20%
      Eric Karros: 50%
      Steve Lyons: 20%
      Gary Matthews: 5%
      Keith Moreland :0%
      Steve Stone: 10%
      Rick Sutcliffe: 30%
      Kerry Wood: near 0%

      Thus, the chances someone from this list is hired is 155%

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    174. josh 181 josh says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I put my own chances at 162%. I based that on SCIENCE. You can tell because I used a percent sign.

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    175. josh 182 josh says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Oh I kow this one!

      So, Billy Bob Thornton started a band. And he went on this radio show and was a total dick to the interviewer. The guy asked him something harmless about the music or about transitioning from acting to music and Billy Bob hollered back “Would you ask Tom Petty that question?” as in “I am TOO a serious musician!!”

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    176. mb21 183 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Google that question along with Billy Bob Thornton.

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    177. WenningtonsGorillaCock 184 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Are you renewing your tickets, WGC?

      Yes. They’re throwing in an autographed Rizzo baseball this year, so it seems totally worth it (dying laughing)

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    178. mb21 185 mb21 says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Thus, the chances someone from this list is hired is 155%

      (dying laughing) I hope someone called him out his inability to do math.

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    179. Rice Cube 186 Rice Cube says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:

      Hey, at least they gave you some incentive…

      @ mb21:

      Were they subsequently banned?

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    180. Aisle424 187 Aisle424 says:

      @ mb21:

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    181. GBTS 188 GBTS says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Yeah….that’s not how math works.

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    182. GBTS 189 GBTS says:

      Have we considered the possibility that Alvin does not operate in base-10? It actually might explain a lot.

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    183. josh 190 josh says:

      @ GBTS:
      So, he’s arguing those are independent probabilities, and therefore there must be a chance that the Cubs hire everyone on the list. That makes perfect sense.

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    184. josh 191 josh says:

      @ GBTS:
      So, like .2 octal is .25 decimal. I tried base 12 and I get 1 5/144ths. That’s close anyway.

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    185. josh 192 josh says:

      So he’s operating somewhere inbetween base 12 and base 13.

      Holy shit, Al’s gone fractal!!

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    186. josh 193 josh says:

      I’ve determined that Al must be using the base 6+/- sqrt(41).

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    187. Rizzo the Rat 194 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Maybe the Cubs will hire 2 people.

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    188. Rizzo the Rat 195 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Ah, Josh beat me to the possibility of multiple hires.

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    189. Aisle424 196 Aisle424 says:

      josh wrote:

      @ GBTS:
      So, he’s arguing those are independent probabilities, and therefore there must be a chance that the Cubs hire everyone on the list. That makes perfect sense.

      Maybe they’ll have a booth like the one in Naked Gun with Goudy, Stockton, Allen, Palmer, McCarver and Dr. Joyce Brothers.

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    190. WenningtonsGorillaCock 197 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      Aisle424 wrote:

      Maybe they’ll have a booth like the one in Naked Gun with Goudy, Stockton, Allen, Palmer, McCarver and Dr. Joyce Brothers.

      Have you seen the size of the broadcast booth? If they’re gonna have that many broadcasters, they’ll need to eliminate the press box, the organist and most of the upper deck concession stand. Then again, those might all be seen as improvements

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