Carroll’s Team Health Reports

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For several years now Will Carroll has published Team Health Reports. He previously did so at Baseball Prospectus and now does so at SI. I've never been the biggest fan. It seems far too random. Let's take a look at this year's.

2B Darwin Barney
Darwin Barney doesn't sound like a 2B, but he sure played like one last year. In fact, the Wall Street firm of Darwin Barney, Starlin & Castro should be what the accounting firm of Epstein, Hoyer & McCloud build around.

Aside from Phil Rogers, I'm not sure anyone else has said seriously that the Cubs should consider building around Darwin Barney. If a team is going to build around someone whose upside is a league average player then they're probably going to be pretty bad.

SS Starlin Castro
Castro thrived with the increased workload in '11. He's still young for the position and is just shy of yellow because of concerns about what even a minor leg injury could do to his game.

A leg injury can fuck up a lot of careers. Why would a potential minor leg injury even be considered? Are we going to consider a possible broken wrist for power hitters? What about the possibility of terminal cancer? What's the point?

P2 Ryan Dempster
The Angels point to Ryan Dempster when they're asked about C.J. Wilson and his big contract. The career paths aren't identical, but with these results, it's surprising more teams don't at least try it. Then again, there was Andrew Cashner.

If you focus on two of the most successful at converting to the rotation it will always look good. I'm sure there's been a few successful transitions of players moving from 3rd base to SS too. Then again, there was John Smoltz.

Those 3 players, along with Bryan LaHair and Matt Garza are labeled green.

C Geovany Soto
Soto's had the normal, nagging injuries that catchers have without having the devastating ones that too many do. He's never lived up to his rookie breakout, but he's a solid catcher who still has some upside. He gets a Red rating if the Cubs suddenly expose him to 140-plus games, but the dings tend to keep him from that.

So a catcher who plays more games has an increased chance of injury. If I drive across the country I have a greater chance of injury than if I drive around the block. I don't know what Soto's chance of injury is, but I do know it's higher if he plays 141 games than if he plays 140 of them. The least chance of injury for him on a baseball field would be to play 0. The chance of injury increases with each additional game above that.

CF Marlon Byrd
Byrd's yellow rating isn't a good one. His playing time was down last year because the franchise was looking at options. Actually, Byrd's work with Victor Conte — yes, that one — have kept him mostly healthy during his time in Chicago. He's a trade candidate if he can have a good April and May.

He's right. The Cubs were looking at options last year in CF. What are the options for the type of helmet that Byrd can wear after he comes back from getting drilled in the fucking face? That's why his playing time was down. Not because the Cubs were looking at options.

RF David DeJesus
DeJesus was always compared to his predecessor, Johnny Damon. It's valid until you get to the injuries. DeJesus was always dealing with something while Damon was among the healthiest players in the game. That difference is why Damon's getting some debate in the Hall of Fame discussions and DeJesus is a placeholder for the Cubs.

Yep. The difference between Damon, a possible Hall of Fame career and DeJesus is nothing but injuries.

Along with those 3, Chris Volstad and Alfonso Soriano are labeled yellow. The players below are labeled red.

SP Randy Wells
Forearm problems augur elbow issues. Velocity loss tends to predict shoulder issues. Control problems point to elbow issues. Stamina problems tend to go hand in hand with shoulder issues. What happens when you have all of them? You warm up Travis Wood and Jim Andrews.

The toe bone connected to the heel bone,
The heel bone connected to the foot bone,
The foot bone connected to the leg bone,
The leg bone connected to the knee bone,
The knee bone connected to the thigh bone,
The thigh bone connected to the back bone,
The back bone connected to the neck bone,
The neck bone connected to the head bone

CL Carlos Marmol
Marmol showed some fatigue and velocity issues in the second half. Given his long standing mechanical issues — or should I say, alleged issues, since we really don't know if they're bad, but they sure don't look good — it's reasonable to think that the velocity loss is predictive. Managing Marmol isn't just going to be a medical issue and might give us a lot of insight on Chris Bosio, the Cubs new pitching coach.

I expect managing Marmol will provide us as much information about Bosio as it did the previous pitching coaches Marmol has had.

Ian Stewart, Paul Maholm and Kerry Wood are also red.

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  1. AndCounting

    Well done, mb. (dying laughing) at “Byrd’s yellow rating isn’t a good one.” Thanks for explaining the green/yellow/red coding system to us, Will. (dying laughing)

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  2. AndCounting

    Also love the Geo write up. If Geo plays a ton of games, he’ll be susceptible to injuries. Fortunately, nagging injuries will keep that from happening.

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  3. mb21

    @ AndCounting:
    I know. It’s just so stupid that I don’t even know why it would have to be written. Surely everybody, even the least intelligent person, knows the more you do something physical the more susceptible you are to injuries. A person who never works out has never been injured. A person who works out frequently will have suffered some injuries for one reason or another. Common. Sense.

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  4. mb21

    @ GBTS:
    It is telling, but not for the reasons Will thinks. For one thing, Zambrano absolutely did raise his right arm as high as his left. Secondly, how the fuck is someone’s post-game celebration an indication of injury? He just threw a no-hitter. I liked Will prior to this. I had issues with him from time to time. I interviewed him once and he came off as a cocky, arrogant fuck, but I had respect for him. It was this that changed my mind. It wouldn’t matter how much evidence you put in front of him he was going to say it. He’s an ignorant asshole.

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  5. GBTS

    AndCounting: Yellow
    He’s beem churning out DFPs at an increased rate. If he slows down he could easily get back to Green, but he’s this close to Red because of concerns of what Alzheimers could one day do to him as a blogger.

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  6. dylanj

    I’ve always agreed with MD on Will Carroll. I don’t understand how anyone gives a shit about this stuff. Let a guy with no access to players medical reports guess how they might get hurt. Now with a color coded system!

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  7. Berselius

    GBTS wrote:

    We should do an OV health report. (dying laughing)

    (dying laughing), we could do another chat that turns into a OV pets health report like we had a few years ago

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  8. mb21

    I’ve also been trying to figure out what this even means: Darwin Barney doesn’t sound like a 2B

    Is there a particular sound that does sound like a 2B? I’m going to start using that kind of analysis. Top notch.

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  9. GBTS

    Suburban Kid: Red
    He claims to be a kid, but his comments and tastes in music points to someone who is much older. Without ever seeing or speaking to him in person, I can say with certainty he is in poor health.

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  10. mb21

    @ GBTS:
    Do people really find this sort of stuff sexy? A hot chick eating a huge, nasty-ass cheeseburger that humans probably shouldn’t even be putting in their mouths? This is like watching my dog eat poop. She’s the most adorable and cutest animal, but she’s out there eating poop. Kate Upton is eating poop.

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  11. GBTS

    Mish: Green
    Seems young and does yoga. Be aware, however, this Green rating assumes he is not Batman. If he actually is, then the nagging injuries associated with being a crime-fighting vigilante probably dips him into Yellow.

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  12. GBTS

    Is Kate Upton starting to get fatigued being the hottest woman on the planet? Her right knee is lower than her left in that first picture. Telling.

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  13. GBTS

    Although if Kate Upton is tired, it’s probably because she’s been dancing on this blog non-stop for like three weeks.

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  14. GBTS

    GBTS wrote:

    Although if Kate Upton is tired, it’s probably because she’s been dancing on the internet non-stop for like three weeks.

    I’ll flag this one myself.

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  15. WaLi

    @ mb21:
    I saw the commercial last night, didn’t realize it was her. Watch the commercial. If you notice the burger you are gay josh. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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  16. WaLi

    Off Topic Baseball Related Stuff:

    So whatever happened with Jorge Soler. Did he decide not to sign with the Cubs? Were our reporters making up shit? Will we find out about it in 3 months?

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  17. Rice Cube

    @ Rice Cube:
    I like how on a blog that features the forestgif and other examples of ribaldry, my suggestion of Kate Upton performing lewd acts on my anatomy is what crosses the line. Here’s to you, gents.

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  18. WenningtonsGorillaCock

    Rice Cube wrote:

    my anatomy is what crosses the line

    It’s not Kate, it’s not the lewd acts. It’s your anatomy (dying laughing)

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  19. josh

    @ WaLi:
    Hardees/Carl Jrs is one of the nastiest places to eat in the world. Had a roommate in college whose favorite pastime was binging and purging monster burgers or whatever they were called then.

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  20. WaLi

    @ josh:
    Yeah I don’t think I have ever ate there. Are Carl’s Jr and Hardees the same? I don’t eat too much meat really so I avoid fast food places (dying laughing) They always intrigued me though because when most places (Subway) are saying “we are healthy, eat here!” Hardees is like “That healthy shit is nasty, eat our 1400 calorie burger”

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  21. Rice Cube

    @ Mish:
    I made the mistake of actually thinking that Batman and Robin would be a good movie and saw it in the theater with my brother. I thought the Bat-skates were the worst part, but no…even worse than the nipples and the Bat-crack on the suits was the fact that Batman had a fucking credit card with his name on it.

    /cool story bro’d

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  22. EnricoPallazzo

    what happens if you combine the of abstract genius of will carroll’s color-coded injury system with the intense, high-level mathematics of phil roger’s plus-minus system of evaluating trades? this might be the Universal Theory that scientists have been searching for all these years.

    ps – kate upton rules. for now.

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  23. Berselius

    AJ Burnett ———–> orbital fracture on right eye, out indefinitely

    And people think the Cubs are cursed.

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  24. WaLi

    @ Berselius:

    With all of his new teammates gathered around the batting cage, Burnett squared around to show everyone how you properly bunt. He lowered the bat head too much and BAM! It was like a Ralph Kramden moment, right in the kisser

    Obviously, this was the point of the bunting tournament. Now other teams want to emulate the fun and look what happens. Sveum is a genius.

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  25. Suburban kid

    Kate Upton eating a burger all sexy style ———————-> I’m OK with that.

    GBTS calling me unhealthy ——————————> that’s cool

    Just hangin’ on the Ave, chillin’ with the crew.

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  26. Rice Cube

    @ jtsunami:
    Ah, so it’s not just me. I think something in the comments code is screwed up and keeps deleting picture and Youtube links. Had the same issue this morning but just figured I was doing something wrong. Which happens quite often, actually.

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  27. Rice Cube

    If we cannot post externally, the Sisko facepalm pic will be the visual equivalent of the word “Smurf” in the Smurf language.

    And even then, I cannot post the Sisko facepalm. Truly the berselius must have magical powers.

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  28. jtsunami

    Of course we need mother fucking filters. We have too many children on this mother fucking blog to not have fucking filters.

    #thisisaboutmotherfuckingfilters

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  29. Mish

    I was going to post a picture of a Brita filter but then I got reminded of Britta from Community, which returns in 2 weeks from today.

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  30. Aisle424

    Rice Cube wrote:

    Speaking of, how is Aisley’s cat?

    Just now getting around to reading every word. He’s doing better, RC. He’s been pretty high on phenobarbital since Saturday and we are cutting his dosage. The poor guy can barely walk to his food bowl without falling over. But his seizures have stopped now, so that’s good. He’s eating and drinking and seems content when he isn’t stumbling around like a drunken sailor. I think we can probably still say his status is red, though.

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  31. AndCounting

    @ GBTS:
    This should prevent you from posting too many images. Keeping you at green as long as this reduction in image posting protects you from injury.

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  32. mb21

    The issue with posting images is a software problem. The other day we were hacked. The hacker was at least cute enough to begin to turn the backend of the site into the twitter busy page, which actually made me laugh. Well, not really since I had to figure the shit out, but thinking about it now it definitely makes me laugh. As I was trying to fix this, I reinstalled the WordPress files. As a result, the file I edited to allow you to post images was overwritten. I hadn’t thought about that. I’ll try to get to it later today.

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  33. Suburban kid

    @ GBTS:
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guise

    guise
    noun ˈgīz
    Definition of GUISE
    1 : a form or style of dress : costume
    2 a obsolete : manner, fashion b archaic : a customary way of speaking or behaving
    3 a : external appearance : semblance

    Doesn’t say anything about any verb.

    You’ll note Merriam-Webster has been in the business of dictionaries for a few centuries, while dictionary.reference.com was founded in 2003 in someone’s mom’s basement.

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  34. Mercurial Outfielder

    @ WaLi:
    Did you get a clone from Bell’s or somewhere else? We just brewed a Two Brothers Cane & Ebel clone that came out really good, got the recipe straight from the brewery.

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  35. Aisle424

    WaLi wrote:

    Well aren’t you fancy with your whiskey barrel and your pictures. /jealous

    It isn’t all fun and games. My wallet is too small for my fifties and my diamond shoes are too tight.

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