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  • A closer look at Josh Vitters

    josh-vittersWe've already taken a closer look at Brett Jackson so let's now take a closer look at Josh Vitters. He had about the worst imaginable start to his big league career in 2012. Vitters hit .121/.193/.202 over 109 plate appearances. His wRC+ late in the year had dipped to something like -12 and after a hot stretch Vitters managed to end the season at 4.

    Thanks to everybody's attention being on Brett Jackson's strikeouts, people have overlooked the problems Josh Vitters had with making contact. He struckout in 30.3% of his PA and unlike Jackson who had a very high walk rate, Vitters walked only 6.4% of the time. Vitters had 4 extra base hits and an ISO of .081.

    Last week when Myles wrote about young minor leaguers in the Cubs system I looked at how Vitters OPS+ of 9 compared to other players in the early part of their career. I limited it to players with at least 75 plate appearances over the player's first three seasons between the years of 1901 and 2012. Josh Vitters ranks as the 76th worst in OPS+.

    There are a few interesting names on that list, but the overwhelming majority of those players had forgettable careers.

    Among players with 100 or more PA in a season, his 4 wRC+ last year ranks as the 28th worst since 1950. He ranks 45th worst if we go all the way back to 1901. I haven't been very high on Vitters for a long time and even these numbers surprised me. Josh Vitters had one of the worst seasons in MLB history last year.

    If you can't say anything nice about Josh Vitters, don't say anything at all

    Josh Vitters reportedly has a pretty swing. I'm not really sure what that means, but enough scouts have said it that I'll trust that he does in fact have a pretty swing. He's relatively young. He turned 23 in August so he just completed his age 22 season. There's still plenty of time for him to figure things out.

    I've long thought that age isn't necessarily the only factor. We often talk about a player being young and there's certainly something to it. However, I also think there's something to the length of time a player has spent in professional baseball.

    Vitters hasn't flown through the minor leagues. It's basically been one stop at a time and in a few of those stops he struggled. Pretty swing or not, baseball hasn't come easily to him.

    He has 2118 minor league plate appearances and that will increase in 2013. That's not an especially high total, but it also shows that he's been around a long time now. He's spent 6+ years working with professional coaches.

    It's important to highlight at this point something I think people were and perhaps still are eagerly overlooking: .283/.327/.455. That's what Josh Vitters has hit over 6 years in the minor leagues. Last year in AAA was undoubtedly his best. He hit .304/.356/.513. There's no doubt that's a good batting line, but it was in the PCL, which is known for being a hitter's paradise.

    If Vitters can somehow maintain this level of hitting, he can be a productive player. He'll have to hit the ball because his other skills are lacking. He's known as a poor defender. Some scouts think he'll end up at 1st base. He's not very good on the bases either.

    Brett Jackson's road to success is a hell of a lot easier than it is for Josh Vitters. That doesn't mean we should count Vitters out, but he has a huge hill to climb.

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    49 Responses to “A closer look at Josh Vitters”

    1. Berselius 1 Berselius says:

      Heyward + the Upton brothers is not too shabby of an outfield.

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    2. Berselius 2 Berselius says:

      From what I remember, Thoyer’s comments at the end of the season indicated that BJax would be back in AAA next year, but also left the door open for him to earn the job back. If BJax manages to convince the team that he’s relatively worked out his strikeout issues, none of the other OFs on the roster are going to block him.

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    3. Berselius 3 Berselius says:

      Hairston’s 2012:

      .263/.299/.504

      Ick.

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    4. Berselius 4 Berselius says:

      I guess this means Rusin and Raley are on their way off the roster soon

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    5. dmick89 5 dmick89 says:

      @ Berselius:
      Have they even officially added Villanueva yet?

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    6. Myles 7 Myles says:

      Yeah, if they are hellbent on keeping Clevenger, I’d have to think it’s Rusin and Raley, with considerations to Castillo and Rondon, and maybe Campana. In fact, Campana’s days seem to be numbered for sure, with the number of signed OF that are appreciably more talented than he is.

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    7. SVB 8 SVB says:

      Josh Vitters swing is pretty because scouts see a rainbow coming out of it, like when Rainbow Dash flies.

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    8. JonKneeV 9 JonKneeV says:

      Upton to ATL

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    9. SVB 10 SVB says:

      If Scott Hairston’s wife isn’t as hot as Kim deJesus, this signing is an epic FAIL.

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    10. JonKneeV 11 JonKneeV says:

      How the hell is the ATL package better than Baez +?

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    11. Berselius 12 Berselius says:

      @ JonKneeV:

      The DBacks were asking for Castro, IIRC

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    12. dmick89 13 dmick89 says:

      @ Berselius:
      That’s what they supposedly asked for. I don’t know much about the package the Dbacks got, but from what others have said here it doesn’t sound like a good one. My guess is that the front office just didn’t want to part with Baez. I would have for Upton without hesitation.

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    13. Rice Cube 14 Rice Cube says:

      @ JonKneeV:
      I think AZ was just hellbent on getting rid of Upton for something more than pure crap. It’s a puzzling trade.

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    14. Mucker 16 Mucker says:

      To go from a package of what Mariners offered to what they just got, I don’t understand. I would have told the Braves Teheran has to be included. They only got one of the Braves Top 10 prospects according to Fangraphs. Seems like a pretty shitty trade for the DBacks.

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    15. 17 Edwin says:

      I wonder if the Dbacks painted themselves into a corner with Upton. It seems like whenever a team declares that they Must trade a player, it kills their negotiating power. I don’t know for sure if that was the case though. If the package the Diamondbacks were getting offered was that low for Upton, they should have just kept him.

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    16. dmick89 18 dmick89 says:

      Edwin wrote:

      If the package the Diamondbacks were getting offered was that low for Upton, the Cubs should have acquired him.

      fixed

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    17. Mucker 19 Mucker says:

      @ Edwin:
      Agreed. He was under team control for another 3 years. I guess they felt he had the most value now. He probably traded him out of spite after he rejected the Mariner’s trade. (dying laughing)

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    18. GBTS 20 GBTS says:

      Berselius wrote:

      Heyward + the Upton brothers is not too shabby of an outfield.

      Laziest outfield ever assembled.

      /Mainstream media’d

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    19. Rice Cube 21 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      Being on the no-trade list probably made the Cubs a non-player, unfortunately. Even if they had included Castro or Baez Upton could’ve just said “no”.

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    20. Rice Cube 22 Rice Cube says:

      MLBTR bullets suggest the D’Backs are going to extend Prado and try to flip some of the specs they got for Rick Porcello.

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    21. dmick89 23 dmick89 says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      The Dbacks are stupid. I’m glad the Cubs passed on Porcello.

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    22. EnricoPallazzo 24 EnricoPallazzo says:

      who did the dbacks get? did they get the guy that was supposed to be involved in the dempster trade last summer? i forget his name…

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    23. WaLi 25 WaLi says:

      EnricoPallazzo wrote:

      who did the dbacks get? did they get the guy that was supposed to be involved in the dempster blindsiding last summer? i forget his name…

      Yes – Delgado

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    24. Berselius 26 Berselius says:

      @ EnricoPallazzo:

      If so, I expect he was blindsided by the deal

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    25. Rice Cube 27 Rice Cube says:

      @ dmick89:
      I actually kind of wanted the Cubs to try to get Drew Smyly rather than Porcello.

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    26. Rice Cube 28 Rice Cube says:

      @ EnricoPallazzo:
      Randall Delgado was the big catch. Braves apparently felt they could also give Martin Prado away.

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    27. GW 30 GW says:

      how disappointing must this be for dbacks fans? Instead of watching Upton and Bauer this year, they get Prado, Cody Ross, and Delgado.

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    28. WaLi 31 WaLi says:

      @ Berselius:

      Sky’s calculation gives them a 3% chance of reaching 91 wins, which has historically been a playoff spot.

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    29. JonKneeV 32 JonKneeV says:

      http://twitter.com/#!/RandallDelgado/status/228333629393231872

      @RandallDelgado They don’t did a trade

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    30. Berselius 34 Berselius says:

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    31. Berselius 35 Berselius says:

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    32. JonKneeV 36 JonKneeV says:

      Saw a rumor on another board of talks to send Sori to the Indians and he would accept the trade. Grain of salt needed.

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    33. dmick89 37 dmick89 says:

      @ JonKneeV:
      Are the Indians going to be any good this year? I’d be surprised if he would go to any team that doesn’t have a really good shot of reaching the postseason.

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    34. JonKneeV 38 JonKneeV says:

      @ dmick89:
      Ya I don’t get it either. Soriano has said he wants to go to the east coast and I don’t understand why he would want to go to Cleveland.

      Not sure why Cleveland would be interested.

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    35. GW 39 GW says:

      @ dmick89:

      they might be ok. they got rid of a really good player in shin-soo choo, and replaced him with drew stubbs in center (pretty good d, some pop, but overall not a good hitter) and nick swisher, who is good. kipnis, asdrubal, are santana good hitters at tough positions. they have absolutely nothing at 3b and DH, reynolds is less a bat than you would want at first, and brantley in left would look better if he was platooning with stubbs in center. the rotation is a mess; the bullpen is pretty good. they could definitely use a big bat or two, but even with soriano I would say that they are no better than a .500 team, true talent-wise.

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    36. WenningtonsGorillaCock 40 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      JonKneeV wrote:

      Not sure why Cleveland would be interested.

      Not sure why anybody would go to Cleveland other than to ask directions on how to get out of Cleveland.

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    37. Berselius 41 Berselius says:

      @ GW:

      It doesn’t hurt that the AL Central kind of sucks too

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    38. dmick89 42 dmick89 says:

      Tango just published an article Blog Beta Testers Needed. I’m looking forward to the new blog, but it’s just a blog. Not really sure testers are needed.

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    39. WenningtonsGorillaCock 43 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      dmick89 wrote:

      Tango just published an article Blog Beta Testers Needed. I’m looking forward to the new blog, but it’s just a blog. Not really sure testers are needed.

      It’ll be nice when OV gets out of Beta and finally releases v.1.0

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    40. dmick89 44 dmick89 says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      We’re getting close to that. We’re currently running version 0.6.08ac. We’ll get there.

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    41. WaLi 45 WaLi says:

      @ dmick89:
      Will our subscriptions carry over?

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    42. Myles 46 Myles says:

      WaLi wrote:

      @ dmick89:
      Will our subscriptions carry over?

      Nope, you’ll have to purchase them again.

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    43. 47 AndCounting says:

      Are the Cubs still a thing?

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    44. 49 Jones Zoe says:

      I don’t know much about the package the Dbacks got, but from what others have said here it doesn’t sound like a good one. I’m looking forward to the new blog. Thanks for sharing this informative article.

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