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  • Joe Mather Redux

     

     

    I don't even think Joe is terrible, but I can't stand him in center.

     

    josh
    Josh is the greatest living writer you've never heard of. Also, he likes bugs.
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    63 Responses to “Joe Mather Redux”

    1. WenningtonsGorillaCock 1 WenningtonsGorillaCock says:

      I don’t even think Joe is terrible, but I can’t stand him in center.

      So, Josh ———-> beer belly guy?

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    2. josh 4 josh says:

      Ugh. I fixed this and uploaded the wrong one. Sorry about that.

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    3. josh 5 josh says:

      All right, I uploaded a revised version. Refresh to see it. Sorry about the dumb typos. I exported the revision incorrectly and didn’t notice. I was pretty tired when I did this.

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    4. josh 6 josh says:

      @ WenningtonsGorillaCock:
      I would say that they are both me, in a way, although I like to think I’m a little more like Smart Guy.

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    5. Berselius 7 Berselius says:

      @ josh:

      No wonder blogs, continuous, shit, etc. etc.

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    6. 8 Gbts46 says:

      At the Field of Dreams. I’ll keep an eye out for Ron.

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    7. josh 9 josh says:

      @ Berselius:
      Bed, no dinner, etc. etc.

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    8. josh 10 josh says:

      @ Gbts46:
      I’m at the Millennium Falcon, no sightings of Chewy yet.

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    9. mb21 11 mb21 says:

      @ Gbts46:
      I’m on my way to The Cheesecake Factory and I hate everything about that place except the cheesecake. Love cheesecake. But this happens when you let other people make lunch plans. (dying laughing)

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    10. mb21 12 mb21 says:

      Joe Mather in CF makes me laugh because is Joe fucking Mather in CF.

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    11. 13 Mobile MO says:

      Man, we ain’t found shit!

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    12. 14 Mobile MO says:

      Also, josh & b: Afflingem Tripel. Do yourselves that favor.

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    13. Rice Cube 15 Rice Cube says:

      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/dodgers-very-unlikely-to-trade-for-ryan-dempster.html

      Well then, I guess we’ll need another rumor to fuel the masses.

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    14. josh 16 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      I’m starting to think the asking price was too high after all.

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    15. Rice Cube 17 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      Which I guess means that the Cubs probably had the “grab a draft pick” backup plan after all…

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    16. josh 18 josh says:

      @ Rice Cube:
      Yep. That’s cool with me. I’d rather see Dempster stay a Cub anyway.

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    17. josh 19 josh says:

      @ josh:
      I’m thinking arb —> rejected ——-> 2 year contract.

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    18. Rice Cube 20 Rice Cube says:

      @ josh:
      With the Cubs, or with someone else? I’d rather get the pick :D

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    19. Aisle424 21 Aisle424 says:

      My prediction comes one day closer to being correct.

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    20. Rizzo the Rat 22 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Holy hell, Mike Trout leads the league in WAR (either version). Not bad for being called up after the season began.

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    21. 23 Gbts46 says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      I think that one catch he made was 2.3 fWAR alone.

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    22. 24 Gbts46 says:

      Is there a Polish soccer game today?

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    23. Rice Cube 25 Rice Cube says:

      @ Gbts46:
      Sunday, m’lord.

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    24. GW 26 GW says:

      brett myers —-> white sox

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    25. 27 Mercurial Outfielder says:

      @ GW:
      He and Peavy will have a CSA battle flag flying in that clubhouse before long.

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    26. GW 28 GW says:

      i respect what thoyer is trying to do, maximizing return and all, but some part of me wonders if a guy like luhnow isn’t better at this stuff. he seems like he’s pretty easy to trade with while at the same time being decent at player evaluation.

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    27. mb21 29 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      I’m waiting to see what return the Cubs get, but I do think it’s become clear the cubs aren’t getting much for Dempster as we figured. Garza? Don’t know yet

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    28. GW 30 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      I don’t think it’s clear, yet. I think they are working the phones and pushing hard for the best offer. That’s why we’ve heard these stories the past few days about 6-8 teams involved, 10 teams interested, and so forth… I just think there’s something to be said for having the reputation for being easy to deal with. That’s one of the things I always felt was under appreciated about hendry. I think Beane is that way too, despite being portrayed as this shrewd genius in moneyball.

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    29. mb21 31 mb21 says:

      GW wrote:

      I don’t think it’s clear, yet.

      Maybe not, but it’s at least clear the Dodgers weren’t interested in parting with prospects for Dempster. I expect we’ll begin to hear rumors about Garza and the Dodgers. Considering the Dodgers were seen as the most likely team to match up with the Cubs for Dempster, I wonder what other teams are going to be offering. The Red Sox apparently don’t even think Garza is much of an improvement though that’s probably just posturing. Factor in the inability for the team who trades for him to acquire draft picks and it’s definitely going to reduce the amount the Cubs would have gotten this time last year.

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    30. josh 32 josh says:

      @ Mobile MO:
      I’ll look around for it.

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    31. josh 33 josh says:

      @ josh:
      I got some New Belgium Trippel over last weekend. It was good, but really upset my stomach. Tried Ommegang’s Rare Vos yesterday. I liked Hennepin better.

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    32. josh 34 josh says:

      @ GW:
      I don’t know, I just think they don’t see the advantage in trading Demp just to trade him. Yeah, they could call up and get an easy deal done and help their rep, but if the team is in a better position holding him and offering arb and all that, I’d rather they do what’s best for the team.

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    33. Aisle424 35 Aisle424 says:

      josh wrote:

      I don’t know, I just think they don’t see the advantage in trading Demp just to trade him. Yeah, they could call up and get an easy deal done and help their rep, but if the team is in a better position holding him and offering arb and all that, I’d rather they do what’s best for the team.

      Also, it sounds like Dempster may have some terms to accept a trade to certain places. He said something like it’s cool being the hammer instead of the nail after his start last night. So this isn’t the easiest deal to get done since, A) he’s way over his projections causing the Cubs to ask for more than they probably normally would, B) other teams knowing perfectly well what his true talent is based on his previous stats in just about every year of his career and have a limit to what they’ll part with, C) the Cubs probably get compensation if they don’t trade him and he walks, D) the team getting him would not get a pick if he walks after this season.

      This is why I have stayed pretty resolute in my opinion that he doesn’t get moved. I had a moment of weakness yesterday on WTF because I thought Casey Coleman’s presence actually meant a deal was imminent, but otherwise I’ve never thought the odds of him getting traded was higher than 50/50.

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    34. Rice Cube 36 Rice Cube says:

      Cain and Hamels serving up batting practice today. Phillies with one more homer than the Giants so far.

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    35. mb21 37 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      I was with you until a few days ago. I do think he gets moved, but I’m not confident in that. I think you nailed it when you pointed out he’s way above his projections and it’s probably causing the Cubs to ask for more than any team is willing to give up. I think the front office made the same mistake with Garza in the offseason. I’m starting to think this front office might be a rather difficult team to trade with, but I don’t know. From what little we’ve seen so far it has seemed the Cubs have overvalued their players. It now seems there are only 3 teams interested in Dempster and the Cardinals are one and reportedly won’t part with top prospects for a rental. There have been rumors the Braves are the same way, which leaves the Nationals. They could really really use Dempster because they’ll have to shut Stras down eventually. I think that’s the Cubs best hope for a decent return on either Garza or Dempster.

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    36. Aisle424 38 Aisle424 says:

      @ mb21:

      I think they think they can get a top prospect with the comp pick for Dempster, so their price isn’t likely to come down from wanting a top prospect. Maybe some team blinks and gives them that for a rental, but I doubted it heavily before and I still doubt it. They have no incentive to move him for less than they feel he is worth. He’s pitching well, he’s not blocking anybody, and everybody loves him.

      Now, whether they are correct in their valuation of him and their ability to find a top prospect with a comp pick is a different story, but I think that’s what they think.

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    37. mb21 39 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      Yeah, it’s like you said the other day, they’re more than confident in their ability to draft and develop talent so I would imagine that’s a factor. I’m not as certain they’re going to find a top prospect at that spot with the new rules as they may have in the past though.

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    38. Aisle424 40 Aisle424 says:

      @ mb21:

      That’s true, but I think they are confident they can. If nothing else, that’s how they are going to act until they get someone to blink. They can always accept a lesser deal at the deadline if this is just posturing.

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    39. GW 41 GW says:

      garza pulled

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    40. GW 42 GW says:

      zee german made it to st. louis, apparently.

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    41. mb21 43 mb21 says:

      Injury?

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    42. mb21 44 mb21 says:

      Injury according to Muskat

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    43. GW 45 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      i suspect. len and bob can’t figure it out, though. might be cramps

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    44. Aisle424 46 Aisle424 says:

      mb21 wrote:

      Injury?

      Probably. He was flexing his wrist in the dugout while talking to Bosio. He fell on it while doing his normal bumbling around the infield on the sacrifice double play last inning.

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    45. mb21 47 mb21 says:

      @ Aisle424:
      (dying laughing) Garza is reason 1-5000 why they need a designated fielder.

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    46. mb21 48 mb21 says:

      Garza will probably have to make another start before he’s traded.

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    47. mb21 49 mb21 says:

      I’m following along on Gameday. Lance Berkman stole a base? Really?

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    48. GW 50 GW says:

      i don’t think germano cracked 85 on the wgn gun that inning

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    49. mb21 51 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      On Gameday it seemed he was throwing nothing but sliders.

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    50. GW 52 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      he was halfway there by the time ze german started his delivery

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    51. Rizzo the Rat 53 Rizzo the Rat says:

      @ Aisle424:
      No he didn’t. He used his left arm to break his fall. That said, He did leave because of an injury.

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    52. Aisle424 54 Aisle424 says:

      Maybe the Cubs loved Garza’s start so much they cut it short.

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    53. mb21 55 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      So he was rounding 2nd base by the time the ball got to the plate?

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    54. Rizzo the Rat 56 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Rice Cube wrote:

      Cain and Hamels serving up batting practice today.

      Both hit home runs, though!

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    55. Rice Cube 57 Rice Cube says:

      Ze German (per GW) did not need Buntfest.

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    56. GW 58 GW says:

      @ mb21:

      no, he was just getting to second (dying laughing)

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    57. Rice Cube 59 Rice Cube says:

      @ Rizzo the Rat:
      Professional courtesy.

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    58. mb21 60 mb21 says:

      @ GW:
      Campana would have been rounding 3rd.

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    59. Rizzo the Rat 62 Rizzo the Rat says:

      Z walked 6 before being pulled after 3.1 innings. His K/BB is now 79/63. What happened to that transformation he was supposed to have undergone?

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    60. Rizzo the Rat 63 Rizzo the Rat says:

      The Garza injury is a right tricep cramp. X-rays are negative.

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