In Other Topics, tv by dmick89October 9, 2011Leave a Comment
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I cant stress how excited bubbles is.. I think pinkman is getting a visit from the grim reaper
MB can you buy that poster?
I don’t know. cdw posted it in another thread.
what an intense first 20 mins
I”m speechless. I didn’t think there was anyway Walt could poison that kid. What a fucking season. Maybe the greatest season of TV I’ve ever personally watched.
cdw was right all along. I didn’t think there was any way he could either though when cdw said it wasn’t necessarily ricin I wasn’t as confident. Still, I didn’t see that happening until it was made clear it wasn’t ricin that made Brock sick. Once I knew that, based on the discussion last week, I knew Walt did it.
Awesome that the third time Walt spun the gun last week it pointed out the flower. That’s just perfect.
they went out of there way to say it is a very common plant to the region. No reasont o think that the kid didnt get it elsewhere. I think that was a misdirection..
I think next season goes one of two ways
1. IF WALT poisoned the kid then it is Walt vs. Jesse
IF that storyline is dead then it goes
2. Walt and Jesse vs. the DEA covering their ass
I dont think walt poisined him. No way. He never left house
I’m 100% certain Walt poisoned the kid. I was 99% certain last week he didn’t, but that was partly because I was thinking it was ricin and I just don’t see Walt doing that.
But this is just too obvious. Walt spins the gun and it points at him. He spins it again and it points at him again. He then spins it one final time and it points right at that flower. Walt was not home all day. The gun pointing to the flower gave him the idea.
ut walt never left the house…
I mean maybe he did but it just seems out of walts character to do it.. I would like a flashback for that scene (of the posioning)
and i dont know what that does to advance the story since pinkman should never find that out
What a great season
Walt said he never left the house. What else is he going to say to Jesse?
I don’t know why I thought it was so hard to believe last week. Walt does care for Jesse, but he cares for no one more than he cares for himself. I’m certain he’d trade his wife and two children for his life in a heartbeat.
He might have done it… He could have had sauls guy do it..
I want the following to happen next season:
Mike comes back and wrecks house and their is a game of trying to stay out of the DEA’s case ala the shield
It provides potential storylines similar to how Walt’s not helping Jane when she was vomiting. I doubt Jesse ever finds out. Next season is about Walt vs. Hank. Or at leas the bulk of the remaining 16 episodes will be about that. At some point the blue meth will have to resurface to get Hank interested again.
Well, whether Walt did it himself or had someone do it is irrelevant. Walt was behind it.
The only thing I want to happen next year is to watch Walter become more of a despicable human being than he already is. That path over the last 4 seasons has been fun as hell to watch and I don’t think many actors could pull it off.
I think hank will be plenty interested with the laundry and the bomb
[quote name=mb21]Well, whether Walt did it himself or had someone do it is irrelevant. Walt was behind it.
The only thing I want to happen next year is to watch Walter become more of a despicable human being than he already is. That path over the last 4 seasons has been fun as hell to watch and I don’t think many actors could pull it off.[/quote]Agreed with all of this.. I hope he steps it up a lot
Why the long face, Gus?
[quote name=mb21]It provides potential storylines similar to how Walt’s not helping Jane when she was vomiting. I doubt Jesse ever finds out. Next season is about Walt vs. Hank. Or at leas the bulk of the remaining 16 episodes will be about that. At some point the blue meth will have to resurface to get Hank interested again.[/quote]I think that Jesse will remain the only thing that grounds Walt and keeps him from turning completely evil, which should set up some interesting choices as the heat turns on Jesse and as Jesse potentially learns the truth about Brock.
Either way, what a season.
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I assume Brock is going to be similar to Jane in that Jesse will never know. Breaking Bad hasn’t revealed things to characters long after it happened so I’d be surprised if Jesse ever figures it out. I think Jesse may see the plant and begin to wonder, but I don’t think he’ll ever know for sure. For that matter, I think Jesse is already subconsciously wondering whether or not Walt had anything to do with it. I think the same can be said of Hank too. He doesn’t know Walt is behind it, but I think part of him does.
Interview with Vince Gilligan: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-4
That final moment with Gus was awesome.
cdw, what did you think of the finale?
I thought it was extremely well executed. Rimshot!
VG & company did a marvelous job advancing the plot, advancing Walt’s character and allowing Jesse to return to who is when Gus isn’t manipulating him. The pacing was quick and deliberate. Gus’s death was everything I could’ve hope for such a brilliant character. The reveal of Walt’s poisoning at the very end was straight forward yet subtle. So this was everything I could’ve want from a season finale. It was damn near a series finale in feel and tying up of stories lines. So I’m left with a question of where does this series go from here? (Other than the obvious vector with Hank)
Walt has been trying to survive in the context of cancer and the meth business. Both of which impose themselves on Walt and force Walt to be reactionary. This is important b/c so far Walt’s breaking bad decisions have been reactionary (Not they are any less selfish or despicable). Now Walt has the opportunity to be proactive so his immoral choices can be fully those of his own making. There is a giant hole in the South West meth supply chain and Walt can fill it. But he has a lot of logistical problems ahead. He and Jesse have to cook, have to procure raw materials, need a production facility capable of filling the demand for their product, need distribution, muscle and intel. Plus, Walt should probably get another .38 snub b/c Mike is going to come back with bad intentions.
The writers did a great job of working comedy into this episode while maintaining tension. The opening scene where Walt took the bomb off Gus’s car and put it in bag that magnetized to the elevator door was great.
My favorite joke was Saul speaking to Jesse in the interrogation room.
If you two want to stick your wangs into a hornets’ nestm by all means go ahead, Its a free country. But why do I always end up having sloppy seconds?
The scene with Gus waiting in the car for Tyrus’s phone call outside of the nursing home was incredible. The slow zoom in on his face. He was nervous. It didn’t feel right to him. But Gus has pride and vengeance in him, so he must kill Tio. To the shot of him getting out of the car (The music here was perfect. Reminiscent of a modern western) and standing like a gun fighter at hight noon. Slowly walking to his death with the camera behind his shoulder. Perfect.
I figured Walt had to be behind the poisoning once it was clear it wasn’t ricin that poisoned Brock. I’m not sure if I’d have drawn that conclusion if it weren’t for the long discussion last week about who was behind it. I kept waiting for something to happen on the roof that would indicate it was Walt, but that would have been too easy so VG and company found a brilliant way to do it. Once the camera focused on the back yard I knew it was the plant and the spinning gun that pointed at it. How awesome is that?
I thought Sepinwall’s review of the final episode was very good too and he pointed out something I hadn’t thought of. That last scene in the 11th episode when Walt was laughing like a mad man, the way the camera zoomed out it made it appear as though Walt was in a coffin. Walt died that episode and Heisenberg came back to life. Brilliant.
I think Mike will want some vengeance, but I also think Mike is a practical man and realizes that he probably needs Walt at this point.
I’m going to guess that Walt and Jesse cook at the car wash. Maybe they can build an underground super lab. (dying laughing)
Yeah, the close up on the plant at the end and the spinning gun scene that set that whole play in motion were pure brillance.
(dying laughing) I had thought about Walt building a super lab under the car wash too. Then I laughed at myself for such foolishness. Though I think the car wash has to come into play here somehow. Distribution maybe?
Based on the several “Checkov’s Guns” in this season, I assume the car wash to factor in more than it has so far. I could see them building a lab under the car wash. I don’t know if it happens, but it makes the most sense. The DEA would expect Walt to be at the car wash so there’s nothing that would stand out if they were watching it for some reason. Maybe they don’t build one underneath, but add on to the car wash in some capacity. I don’t know, but it won’t surprise me.
Question is, how does Walt get back into the game? I got the impression he and Jesse were done with it. Did anyone else get that impression? We know he’s not done, but I don’t think he’ll be cooking meth when next season begins.
I actually think the car wash is reasonable as long as they don’t build underneath it. It would be hard for me to buy them retrofitting the car wash with an underground meth lab. Yet some how it’s fine for the laundry since I never saw it happen (dying laughing)
How does Walt get back into the game. This is a very important question. There are a lot of routes the writers could take here. But they need to choose the right one or it could ruin the final season. I’ve got complete trust VG will get it right.
I did get the impression White/Pinkman were done with the meth but we know that can’t continue in this series. They have to cook to advance plot and characters.
I think Walt should begin next season by synthesizing potential drug targets for testing on lung cancer cell lines. Since he’s not a biologist/biochemist he’ll probably have to bring someone in for the in vitro assays. I bet this biologist is an FBI double agent. They’ll entrap Walt b/c he’ll need to cook again once his funding runs out and the biologist will suggest it. (Never trust someone that works with flies, worms or fish). Jesse has been spending his money taking Angela and Brock to disney world and Mexico City. The vacations, extravagant living and peyote farm just aren’t a challenge for him. Jesse needs back in the game right when Walt needs him most.
The writers will do a much better job than I just did. Done deal. Sealed.
Yeah, there’s no way they’re done with meth for good. VG even said that. What fun would it be to watch them not cooking meth is essentially what he said. I think it’s going to take a little bit though. I think it was in season 2 Walt was gone from the game for awhile, but they eventually got back together. No doubt that happens again.
Question: does Jesse ever find out about Brock? My first instinct tells me no because that’s just not how VG is or has been anyway. Then I think it might create some interesting plots in the second half of the final season, but at the same time I think you want to milk Walt and Jesse being on camera together for as long as possible. Jesse doesn’t have to find out. Jesse would undoubtedly kill Walt if he learned that, but Jesse could kill Walt for any number of reasons. Jesse was just a small time thug when the series started and since getting in bed with Walt he’s had his ass beaten on a regular basis, been in police custody (and DEA custody) a few times, found himself in bed with maniacs like Tuco and calculated maniacs like Gus. Jesse’s life sucks in large part because of Walt. That is enough for Jesse to kill him.
I don’t really want Jesse to kill him though. I’d prefer Hank doing it. I could even see Walter Jr. becoming so pissed with his father that he’d do it. I trust VG to get it right like you do, but it’s going to be tough to accomplish. Hank has been underestimated for the first 3 seasons and Walt still underestimates him.
[quote name=cdw]I think Walt should begin next season by synthesizing potential drug targets for testing on lung cancer cell lines. Since he’s not a biologist/biochemist he’ll probably have to bring someone in for the in vitro assays. I bet this biologist is an FBI double agent. They’ll entrap Walt b/c he’ll need to cook again once his funding runs out and the biologist will suggest it. (Never trust someone that works with flies, worms or fish). Jesse has been spending his money taking Angela and Brock to disney world and Mexico City. The vacations, extravagant living and peyote farm just aren’t a challenge for him. Jesse needs back in the game right when Walt needs him most.
The writers will do a much better job than I just did. Done deal. Sealed.[/quote]I think the series ends with Bryan Cranston waking up next to Jane Kaczmarek.
Hank will be afer Heisenberg from episode 501. He’ll be all over the cartel/Gus explosion the same day as the lab gets taken out. You have to wonder if Hank already suspects Walt on some level. Like he was fucking with having Walt drive him to the locations. And oh, of course Walt isn’t at my house with this family while the DEA is protecting us. That gambling story and Walt Whitman thing sure are fishy.
Of course, it is easy to have that perspective as the viewer. But I’m damn sure Hank thinks Heisenberg is still out there.
[quote name=mb21]I think the series ends with Bryan Cranston waking up next to Jane Kaczmarek.[/quote](dying laughing) Then Bryan shoots her and finger blasts the bullet holes with honey as lubricant. Goes down stairs and makes the boys some sriracha & lube pancakes.
I’m positive Hank thinks Heisenberg is still there for two reasons: I don’t think Hank is going to let that go until he’s 100% certain Heisenberg is gone and second, I think he suspects Walt is Heisenberg in some way.
Hank (the real guy, can’t think of his name) said after one episode this season that Hank doesn’t yet think Walt has anything to do with it, but subconsciously he’s beginning to put these together.
Oh shit. Gus’s laptop. The police will find it. I wonder if it has any recorded video or if it was just streaming…Last thing on it would be Walt & Jesse burning that mother fucker down till the embers smote on the ground.
WW will send an old lady into a house with professional killers, bomb a nursing home, use his brother-in-law as a pawn when a hit is out on him, turn a septuagenarian stroke patient into a suicide bomber and poison a kid to kill you.
Don’t fuck with Walter White.
(dying laughing) can you imagine pitching that show to a network?
[quote name=cdw]Oh shit. Gus’s laptop. The police will find it. I wonder if it has any recorded video or if it was just streaming…Last thing on it would be Walt & Jesse burning that mother fucker down till the embers smote on the ground.[/quote]Hadn’t thought about the laptop.
I’m assuming Walt had Saul in on the “poisoning.” His guard must have switched Jesse’s packs. Also, we had a scene earlier in the season where Saul drove Jesse to the boy’s house, so he definitely knew where he lived.
Was this, start to finish, the greatest season of television in history?
[quote name=GBTS]Was this, start to finish, the greatest season of television in history?[/quote]I think it was. Not too far behind is season 3. I really didn’t think the show could top season 3. I’m not certain they did, but at the very least they matched it. The last 26 episodes of Breaking Bad have to be the greatest stretch of episodes in tv history.
I had mentioned I wanted to write a season review, but after I thought about it, I don’t even know where to begin. I don’t think you can possibly boil this season down into one article.
I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me until just now, but the title of the episode, Face Off, has a double meaning. Walt and Gus face off for the final time and half of Gus’s face is off. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me until just now, but the title of the episode, Face Off, has a double meaning. Walt and Gus face off for the final time and half of Gus’s face is off. (dying laughing)[/quote]Totally should have seen this coming. They’ve been doing the double-entendres all season.
“Bullet Points” – holes in the Chicken truck, and Skylar’s list of talking points for their dinner with Hank.“Open House” – Marie going around town to open houses, and Jesse throwing open parties every night.“Shotgun” – The weapon of the would-be mugger that Jesse “saves” Mike from, and also the fact that he rode shotgun with Mike all day on their pickups as their new muscle.
I didn’t pick up on the Shotgun one, but that makes perfect sense now. I wonder if more of the episodes had additional meanings.
I’m amazed at how everything tied so neatly together. Tio’s bell, which had been on the show for 3 years was used as a suicide bomb killing Gus and Tyrus. The rug that killed what’s his face. The .38 that Walt had was used for the first time to point to the plant. Everything in it had a purpose. Jesse’s video game early in the season paid off when he turned and fired in Mexico.
I’ve read some people complaining about the season because it was implausible that Walt could have poisoned Brock. Yeah, it’s implausible and is a bit of a stretch, but so what? It’s not impossible. I’m willing to buy into something that might be implausible when the story itself is damn good.
I didn’t catch it at the time, but we saw Walt’s burial at the end of the 11th episode. We won’t see the sympathetic part of Walt the rest of the series. That part is dead.
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Ryno, what are your thoughts on the finale and season 4? You haven’t been around here much lately.
Sundays at 10:00 pm are going to suck now.
[quote name=Mucker]Sundays at 10:00 pm are going to suck now.[/quote]False. Dexter and Homeland on Showtime.
[quote name=GBTS]False. Dexter and Homeland on Showtime.[/quote](dying laughing) exactly what I was thinking though I’m in bed at that time. I haven’t watched Dexter’s 2nd episode this season yet, but watched Homeland’s last night. Good show.
[quote name=mb21]Ryno, what are your thoughts on the finale and season 4? You haven’t been around here much lately.[/quote]I’m really impressed with the season as a whole. I thought they’d have a tough time topping last season, but damned if they didn’t.
I think the series ends with Jesse killing Walt, but that’s the obvious answer at this point. We always thought Walt “broke bad” when Jesse said he did, but I don’t think he really did until he poisoned Brock.
[quote name=Dr. Aneus Taint]I think the series ends with Jesse killing Walt[/quote]And I think the final shot of the series is the camera panning back from Walt in a grave or casket, like the final shot of Crawl Space.
Jesse or Hank seems the obvious person to kill Walt at this point.
I go back and forth on whether this was better than season 3. It was certainly no worse. Has there ever been a show that has gotten stronger as it has gone on other than Breaking Bad? I can’t think of any. I know some hardcore Wire fans will say that did, Hamsterdam was utterly ridiculous. Season 5 was equally ridiculous. Still good, but those seasons were not at all up to what seasons 1 and 2 were.
I don’t think there’s any way Hank kills Walt. Maybe gets him killed, but he can’t possibly pull the trigger.
Jesse has like 13 independent reasons to kill Walt at this point. (dying laughing)
[quote name=mb21]I go back and forth on whether this was better than season 3. It was certainly no worse. Has there ever been a show that has gotten stronger as it has gone on other than Breaking Bad? I can’t think of any. I know some hardcore Wire fans will say that did, Hamsterdam was utterly ridiculous. Season 5 was equally ridiculous. Still good, but those seasons were not at all up to what seasons 1 and 2 were.[/quote]I know I’m the minority, but I still stand by my assertion that season one was better than three. But four blew them both out of the water, IMO.
Spelling has never been this exciting
Couldn’t agree more. Those scenes were fan-fucking-tastic.
[quote name=GBTS]I know I’m the minority, but I still stand by my assertion that season one was better than three. But four blew them both out of the water, IMO.[/quote]Season 1 was still a bit disorganized though it was still awesome. Season 2 was too, but the end point of the season being the first scene of the season always makes it tough to fill in 13 hours. I remember Gilligan saying he’d never do that again and he was talking about how difficult it was to do.
Season 3 was almost perfect in every way. Season 4 was too.
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