2012 Cubs Playing Time Projections

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Many of you who have been reading this blog or ACB before it are familiar with the playing time projections we've set up each year. Back in 2008 and 2009 we had a lot of people filling the surveys out. There was a lot of excitement among Cubs fans before each of those seasons and it led to many more completed surveys than I had ever anticpated. As the Cubs have begun to suck, the excitement has dwindled and participation in the survey has declined. There still have been more than enough surveys to get a quality playing time projections, but I'm hoping this year as many of you as possible will take the 5 to 10 minutes to fill it out.

It's set up a bit different this year. Rather than us providing you a name and you entering in the plate appearances or innings, we've set it up so there's a dropdown with those numbers instead. After all, when you're averaging 50 surveys together, it's not really important if someone thinks Alfonso Soriano will get 573 plate appearances. A simple 551-600 estimate would do just fine. It makes setting up the survey easier and it makes filling it out considerably less time consuming.

You just look at the player's name, click the drop down and select the range of plate appearances or innings pitched that you're expecting. Your help here would be appreciated. We'll use this information to create a projected win total for the team. This is not about how many plate appearances or innings you want the player to get. It's about how much you think he will based on whatever information you choose to use. If you think Dale Sveum won't play Barney all that much, enter a lower number.

The survey is below. The numbers represent plate appearances or innings pitched. You don't have to answer every one of them, but as many answers as possible would help us out. For those who have browsers that can't render iframes, you can fill the survey out here.

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  1. Aisle424

    (dying laughing)
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    Samardzija picked Xavier over Notre Dame in his bracket. I like him a little more every day.

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  2. Aisle424

    mb21 wrote:

    You guys seen The Announcement yet? Just finished it. Very good.

    Is that the one where LeBron takes his talents to South Beach?

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  3. Berselius

    skimming the boxscores:

    vs the A’s
    Maholm gave up 3 runs in the first, should have been out of the inning but for a Vitters error. Vitters also made an out on the basepaths.
    Dejesus hit a triple
    Geo doubled and homered
    Rowland-Smith pitched today. I already forgot the Cubs signed him.

    vs the Rangers
    Samardzija had another good outing. 3 hits, 1 run, 3 K, 0 BB in four innings.
    Russell gave up 4 hits and 2 runs in one inning.
    Cubs scratched out 4 singles, no walks in the first 7 innings.

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  4. mb21

    Berselius wrote:

    Samardzija had another good outing. 3 hits, 1 run, 3 K, 0 BB in four innings.
    Russell gave up 4 hits and 2 runs in one inning.

    You’re like me. You alternate between using numbers and spelling them out. (dying laughing)

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  5. Suburban kid

    The only time he spelled out the numbers was in front of “inning”.

    After all, “Three hits, one run, three K, zero BB in 4 innings. Russell gave up four hits and two runs in 1 inning” would look stupid.

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  6. mb21

    Suburban kid wrote:

    The only time he spelled out the numbers was in front of “inning”.

    Garza threw one hundred and ninety eight innings last year (I think).

    Sometimes I spell the numbers and sometimes I don’t. I don’t know why. I notice it, but I don’t care. It just stood out to me when berselius did it and since I didn’t have anything to say about the numbers he provided I wanted to make fun of him. (dying laughing)

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  7. mb21

    @ Berselius:
    I’ll have to look into that. There must be some css formatting for iframes on the mobile theme.

    Oh well. you have time. It actually only took me about 2 minutes, but I think about the playing time projections often enough that I already knew what I was going to select. I imagine you’re the same way.

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  8. Rice Cube

    I think the Samardzija projection was a bit restrictive unless you are dead certain that he won’t get any chance to be in the rotation. I ended up choosing 71-80 as that was the max, but I feel like he still has a decent chance of making it into the rotation. And even if he’s just a long-reliever I think he’d get more than 80 innings. Maybe I’m being too optimistic though.

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  9. mb21

    @ Rice Cube:
    I went with 71-80 because I think he’ll be used for more than an inning at a time in relief, but I do not believe he’ll be getting any starts. I thought about increasing the numbers for him, but when you look at his stats they just plain suck. James Russell and Casey Coleman are more deserving of rotation spots than Samardzija. Maybe something is different. I sure as hell hope so if the Cubs are serious about this rotation crap.

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  10. SkipVB

    @ Aisle424:
    Zero Wisemen
    (dying laughing)

    How often does Ask OV have to appear to make it seem like creating the banner wasn't a waste of time?

    (dying laughing still)

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  11. Cubsin

    I think Samardzija will be a starting pitcher with far more than 80 innings pitched, so I put no answer.
    I think he’ll pitch 151-200.

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  12. josh

    @ Cubsin:
    I think at this point its entirely possible he at least starts out as a starter. The overall numbers aren’t great for him, but while the FO are numbers guys, and the numbers on Samardzija aren’t great, Sveum seems less so, and they are probably looking to take a few risks to see if someone gets lucky, anyway.

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  13. Pezcore

    I think he has more than a shot given Travis Wood’s recent inability to pitch and the minor league options for Chris Volstead.

    Garza, Dempster, Malhom, Samardzija, Wells…. sounds workable. Why waste service time? Samardzija is too old to be worth anything. If he has 10 wins and a 4.25 ERA we can get a nice prospect for him in the offseason.

    No TWood makes the decision relatively simple.

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  14. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    I think he goes 110 innings and not much more. He hasn’t been as stretched out as, say, Randy Wells and I expect he’d have a quick hook if he ever got into trouble.

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  15. Rice Cube

    @ Pezcore:
    Does that really work though? Wells, Samardzija and Volstad all make over $2MM (Wells and Volstad via arb, F7 because of his new deal) and if they all pitch well, I think two go in the rotation and one goes in the bullpen instead of watching $2MM+ burn in the minors.

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  16. Rice Cube

    @ Berselius:
    I’m reasonably sure he ran out of options last year, which was why he was on the MLB squad the whole season. He’s doing well enough this spring that I don’t think they can risk exposing him to waivers.

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  17. Mish

    Gordo’s reporting that Cespedes turned down a 6 year deal from the Cubs. I saw it on Hardball Talk. I’m mobile so I’m too lazy to post the link.

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  18. ACT

    @ Berselius:

    Jeff Samardzija is getting closer and closer to locking down a rotation spot, something that seemed unfathomable back in November. He likes what he’s done in camp.

    Oh my god, the Mayans were right! Prepare for the apocalypse!

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  19. mb21

    Pezcore wrote:

    If he has 10 wins and a 4.25 ERA we can get a nice prospect for him in the offseason.

    If he has a 4.25 ERA as a starter it would be his best season since 2006 and that was in rookie league: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=samard001jef

    He had an OK season last year in relief at the age of 26. He’s due for some regression even if he sticks around in the bullpen. I don’t think he would post a 4.25 ERA as a reliever next year. I’d put the over/under at 5 and take the over. As a starter (the entire year), I’d put the over/under at 6 and take the over.

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  20. mb21

    Pezcore wrote:

    No TWood makes the decision relatively simple.

    I agree it makes it relatively simple: Garza, Dempster, Maholm, Wells, Volstad with Wood as the 6th starter, McNutt as the 7th starter, followed by a bunch of other guys and then Alvin Yellon as the next to last starter and Samardzija as the last starter.

    Last year we applauded the Cubs front office and Mike Quade for saying he wouldn’t start again. He did nothing in relief that makes one think he’s any different a pitcher than he was before that. Personally, I think this is about Sveum and Thoyer falling in love with a mid 90s fastball and being unable to see what others before them already learned. I can’t think of anything else to explain it and I’m not sure it matters what the explanation is. Samardzija is going to get rocked as a starting pitcher. He’ll probably get rocked as a reliever.

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  21. mb21

    Rice Cube wrote:

    He’s doing well enough this spring that I don’t think they can risk exposing him to waivers.

    Some team would take him, but is it really a risk? They’d take him and his contract so I’d consider it a win for the Cubs.

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  22. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    It seems like a minimal loss situation to me. If they let F7 start and he’s alright, they can try to ship him off as a trade chip or keep him around if they wanted to. If he sucks, then they’re only out $2.6MM and they were going to suck this year anyway. They might as well give it a try. I doubt they just ignored the previous scouting reports and stats on Samardzija.

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  23. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    As in my previous post, if they were going to bet his contract against the possibility of trading for something useful, it’s not that hefty of a bet in baseball terms. I don’t think they’re starting him because he’s the second coming of Roger Clemens. They’re trying to see what kind of asset they have when they didn’t even pay that much for him. At least that’s what I’d like to tell myself (dying laughing)

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  24. mb21

    @ Rice Cube:
    I disagree. From dictionary.com:

    the tendency to see, anticipate, or emphasize only bad or undesirable outcomes, results, conditions, problems, etc.:

    I could focus on the positive results in 2006 in rookie league, but that’s about it. He had a small sample of quality innings when he made his big league debut, but even that was one good month and one terrible month. He had a decent ERA last year, but his BB rate was horrible. There just aren’t that many positives to be said about Samardzija other than this: last year he had a decent season as a reliever.

    I liked the contract at the time. Why not? The Cubs had money and Samardzija could hit 99. Worth the risk.

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  25. Rice Cube

    @ Berselius:

    I don’t really know how this new front office values players. I see it as two guys still being under club control for two more years after this one while this is basically F7’s walk year. If they don’t plan to keep Samardzija I feel like they should either waive/release him or let him pitch as much as possible so they can dump him on somebody else.

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  26. mb21

    Rice Cube wrote:

    If he sucks, then they’re only out $2.6MM and they were going to suck this year anyway.

    That’s true, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s a bad decision. The only reason I don’t think it’s a terrible decision to send Jackson to AAA is because of service time. Because he’s the best outfielder and maybe even best position player in the Cubs organization, I still think it’s a bad idea to send him down. I can live it with because there’s a logical reason to do so.

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  27. mb21

    @ Berselius:
    I don’t think so. one of the things Thoyer said early on was how great a season F7 had last year. I shook my head and assumed they were just talking out their asses, but it appears they really do believe he had a good season last year.

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  28. mb21

    @ Rice Cube:
    If this new coaching staff can turn Samardzija into a good starter then Garza, Dempster and Maholm are going to finish 1-2-3 in the Cy Young balloting. Randy Wells or Chris Volstad will also be in the top 10. Carlos Marmol won’t walk anyone all year long. Kerry Wood will stay healthy. Casey Coleman will learn to throw 95 mph heat in the bullpen. The Cubs are going to win the World Series on their pitching alone. (dying laughing)

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  29. mb21

    The Cubs sucked last year and I remember everybody being thrilled when Hendry and Quade said that F7 wouldn’t be starting again. It was a fantastic decision. it was one that should have made at least a year earlier. They sucked that year and could easily have put him in the rotation and at no point did they even consider it.

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  30. Berselius

    @ mb21:

    I still think they were talking out of their asses, and were talking about him as a reliever. It’s seemed like Dale Sveum has by far been the main cheerleader on the F7 as starter bandwagon.

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  31. mb21

    @ Berselius:
    I’ve thought so too until today when I learned other people here were wanting a playing time projection for him as a starter. I still think you’re right. I cannot imagine this front office even allowing Samardzija to step foot on the mound as a starter unless 10 starters are injured.

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  32. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    Ah, now I have to find the optimism goggles pic (dying laughing)

    I agree that it’s not the best decision but I also don’t believe it’s flat out wrong. If they see something and can fix it, that’s awesome. If it doesn’t work, what have the 2012 Cubs lost anyway? If F7 has 3 or 4 shitty starts they can just put him in the bullpen or release him. I guess I don’t think it matters as much as you. Maybe it screws a better starter out of 20 innings of work but it doesn’t seem like a huge risk to me.

    I think it’s more than likely based on past performance that you’re right but I think this is something that they have to try. They’ve got very little to lose this year.

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  33. Rice Cube

    For what it’s worth I used to have Garza-Demp-Maholm-Wood-Volstad in the rotation but now I’ve replaced Wood with Wells. I do think F7 is on the outside looking in but I don’t think it’s as impossible or farfetched as you do.

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  34. mb21

    Rice Cube wrote:

    guess I don’t think it matters as much as you.

    I don’t think it matters to how the 2012 Cubs are going to perform. They could run a rotation out there of Soriano, Byrd, Castro, Stewart and LaHair and it’s not going to affect their chance to contend.

    Is there any evidence that Theo or Hoyer ever took a bad pitcher and turned him into a good one? Is there any evidence that Dale Sveum was in any way involved with something like that? Theo and Hoyer may be a great front office, but they’re not great because they can turn bad players into good ones.

    It’s like berselius said, it’s not like this is a competition between F7 and Rodrigo Lopez. Even if it was, I’d go with Lopez. Most of all, what I hate is that this guy could be given a job over someone better because of the tiny sample size in spring training that isn’t the least bit reflective of one’s talent. I expected the new Cubs manager to do better.

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  35. mb21

    Rice Cube wrote:

    They’ve got very little to lose this year.

    The same could have been said in 2005, 2006, 2010 and 2011 and we still complained about the shit they were doing wrong. I think this is the equivalent of putting James Russell in the rotation. I’d probably even choose Russell over F7 to be honest. At least Russell can get lefties out. I don’t F7 can get anyone out. (dying laughing)

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  36. Rice Cube

    I think the new manager can probably be overruled by the front office. I also think if all things are equal and every candidate performs about the same they’ll just have Wells and Volstad in the rotation.

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  37. mb21

    I haven’t done any adjusting yet, but after 25 completed surveys, here are the average plate appearances for each position player:

    Player average
    Starlin Castro 606
    David DeJesus 514
    Ian Stewart 446
    Geovany Soto 439
    Darwin Barney 433
    Alfonso Soriano 422
    Marlon Byrd 415
    Bryan LaHair 399
    Jeff Baker 216
    Brett Jackson 201
    Anthony Rizzo 174
    Blake DeWitt 140
    Welington Castillo 135
    Joe Mather 119
    Steve Clevenger 117
    Tony Campana 107
    Dave Sappelt 86

    I’m surprised Byrd’s projection is that low. I love it when so many of you take part in these surveys. Hopefully we get more over the next few days.

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  38. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    I think we were generally in agreement that the best candidates (which might not be saying much for this team (dying laughing)) would get into the rotation but just disagreed on how shitty F7 really was haha.

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  39. Aisle424

    SkipVB wrote:

    How often does Ask OV have to appear to make it seem like creating the banner wasn’t a waste of time?

    You’ll have to wait for the next Ask OV to find out.

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  40. Berselius

    mb21 wrote:

    I’m surprised Byrd’s projection is that low. I love it when so many of you take part in these surveys. Hopefully we get more over the next few days.

    I suspect that most of that is due to expectation that he’ll be traded before the deadline

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  41. mb21

    Still haven’t done any adjusting, but here are the pitchers projected innings (Samardzija’s are the ones from this survey and not the one I set up earlier (I’ll fix that later):

    Player average
    Matt Garza 194
    Ryan Dempster 185
    Paul Maholm 159
    Chris Volstad 151
    Randy Wells 133
    Jeff Samardzija 68
    Travis Wood 60
    Carlos Marmol 57
    Kerry Wood 47
    James Russell 47
    Casey Coleman 32
    Trey McNutt 32
    Marcos Mateo 28
    Rafael Dolis 22
    Scott Maine 18

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  42. mb21

    According to Dale Sveum, F7 is a virtual lock for the rotation. The Cubs never change. You could put the AL All-Stars in Cubs uniforms this year and there’s not a chance in hell they’d be as good as expected.

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  43. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    Sent you one. Hope you guys get more so you can make it at least bi-weekly and Aisley’s banner doesn’t go to waste.

    @ mb21:
    I think I saw they said Dolis would get the reliever spot if F7 is in the rotation. I think without any other information besides how well he’s doing in camp, you’d just have to trust that the Cubs aren’t completely retarded by letting F7 start. Chances are he’ll probably suck ass as discussed earlier, but if it pans out, I still feel like it’s low-risk/high-reward. Maybe I’m alone but I don’t see this as being that big of a deal.

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  44. Rice Cube

    @ mb21:
    I don’t think some fans trust Theo Epstein either, which is understandable. I look at it like this…if the new guys think that F7 is really that bad, they’d nip this talk in the bud or overrule Sveum when the time comes. I’m not exactly welcoming this, but I guess my reaction is more of an apathetic shrug than tar and feathers (dying laughing)

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  45. ACT

    I really doubt the Samardzija starting experiment lasts. Hell, I’d be surprised if it lasts through May. He still might blow it by the time Spring Training ends.

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  46. mb21

    @ ACT:
    I expect it will last 2 to 3 starts. If it extends through May you may as well leave him in the rotation all season and challenge the Astros for the number 1 pick.

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